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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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s_mirage
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I don't think it would entirely in this case. An English parliament would solve the problem of the SNP potentially voting on issues that only affect England, but it wouldn't do anything to reduce the risk of them asserting a disproportionate amount of influence in areas such as defence and foreign policy. This is a problem inherent in all coalition governments, but it is more of a worry when the party with the potential to have the casting vote are nationalists, separatists, and only have to concern themselves with maintaining popularity with voters in one region rather than the UK as a whole.
No, because you are competing with others who may have hit the "target" just by sheer luck.
CyclopsRock
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Followed by the inevitable speeding conviction when he leaves, "Balls caught in exit from Yarmouth".
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
If I can take a mulligan on this one:
"Labour's Balls in Yarmouth for an Election"
I should apply for a job in The Sun with writing like this.
Yep, and the fact that the polls have stayed with the satus quo for so long now suggests that nothing short of the nuclear option will convince the electorate now.
Well, if he's not elected PM, they might still hold out hope for "Balls sacked"
Ashcroft national
CON 34 (+1)
LAB 30 (-3)
LIB 10 (+1)
UKIP 13 (=)
GRN 4 (-2)
Dates 17th-19th
N=1,002
In Ashcrofts latest constituency polling, the SNP are ahead in Edinburgh North & Leith:
SNP 43, Lab 29, Con 14
SNP also lead in Edinburgh South – but it’s close:
SNP 37, Lab 34, Con 16
CON 34 (+1)
LAB 30 (-3)
LIB 10 (+1)
UKIP 13 (=)
GRN 4 (-2)
Dates 17th-19th
N=1,002
In Ashcrofts latest constituency polling, the SNP are ahead in Edinburgh North & Leith:
SNP 43, Lab 29, Con 14
SNP also lead in Edinburgh South – but it’s close:
SNP 37, Lab 34, Con 16
CyclopsRock
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This is pretty hilarious. Someone at the New Statesman put Labour's 2015 manifesto into Democracy3 :
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...run-labours-2015-manifesto-through-video-game
Edit: This is genuinely really funny:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...run-labours-2015-manifesto-through-video-game
Edit: This is genuinely really funny:
While the headline figure of a 4 pt lead* should please the Tories, the underlying information in the Ashcroft poll might give them pause.
Swing voters, who say they don’t know how they will vote or that they may yet change their minds, were more likely to say they were moving towards Labour (35%) than the Conservatives (24%) or the Lib Dems (19%).
*Movement still within the MOE, and I don't think anyone believes Labour are as low as 30%.
Swing voters, who say they don’t know how they will vote or that they may yet change their minds, were more likely to say they were moving towards Labour (35%) than the Conservatives (24%) or the Lib Dems (19%).
*Movement still within the MOE, and I don't think anyone believes Labour are as low as 30%.
CyclopsRock
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OK, I just found out he did one for the 2010 manifestos too and it's even funnier
http://www.newstatesman.com/games/2...-run-2010-party-manifestos-through-video-game
http://www.newstatesman.com/games/2...-run-2010-party-manifestos-through-video-game
Interesting use of the polling data by the Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...r/20/election-2015-constituency-map?CMP=fb_gu
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...r/20/election-2015-constituency-map?CMP=fb_gu
Miles Quaritch
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Ok ok so back to the "Where are they now?" Lib Dem voter stuff, check this shit out...
Huh!
Edit: Really puts the "Where did the BNP voters go?" question to bed, too.
UKIP: not racist, but number one with racists.
As if there was ever any real doubt though...anyone voting for them should be embarrassed.
another leftist establishment crony sticking up for the failed experiment of multiculturalism , do you work for the bbc?
Miles Quaritch
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And proud of it!!!!
Joking aside, I do agree with some aspects of the argument that multiculturalism was a failure. I mean, it's cool if someone wants to retain heir heritage and customs but it's always struck me as something that should never be put ahead of integrating into the host country.
That's just asking for trouble...
I think people should at least learn to speak the language to a degree where they can get by once arriving, but saying the "failed experiment of multiculturalism" is fairly ridiculous in a country that's been based on immigration and multiculturalism for thousands of years.
Exactly, UKIP make the entire topic a joke really. At least Labour seem to be talking about what you just said without going full UKIP.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
If anything I'd say it has been a massive success - not perfect, but successful. I mean, compare us to the USA (supposedly the epitome of the immigrant ideal) and it's treatment of non-whites.
But I fucking love immigration so I'm a little biased. I want more.
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, not encouraging the learning of English as much as we should have is what I consider to be one of the biggest failures.
I don't believe it's the complete failure some wish to paint it as, I actually like most aspects, the food, the new cultures,the increased diversity, the women (good lord, the women..apologies if this sounds in any way sexist) etc but we really should have engaged more in trying to get people speaking English and integrating more and unfortunately that's even harder now with ESOL taking a battering to their funding.
It's the repetition of "and let me explain why" that's most grating to me.
Miles Quaritch
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What channel is the interview on?
Just finished on BBC1 though if you go to the live broadcast on iplayer you can rewind it to the beginning
BBC 1
Seems a bit of an odd way of looking at things.
Just take food for example.... I'm very very glad the Indian / Pakistani / Bangladeshi immigrants didn't just decide to integrate into the host country and set up thousands of greasy spoon cafes.
Law's, yes, there should be no bending on those if your a native of the country or an immigrant, but other than that I genuinely believe it's up to the person how much they integrate.
So like every single politician in the entire country then? When was the last time any of them answered a question put to them? Lies don't count as answers either.
There's aspects of their heritage that cross over and add to our society, and aspects that don't. So more food and just general cultural diversity is great, whereas suspect attitudes towards women and homosexuals isn't.
Miles Quaritch
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Thanks.
Guess I'll check it out on the iplayer.
Yeah, I addressed this in my follow up post. My only real issues are the lack encouraging integration (mainly with regards to how women are treated by some cultures, the lack of equality) and not encouraging the learning or English as much as we really should have.
Just by having the language barrier in place makes things a lot harder for everyone involved. We want people to take part in all aspects of society and that becomes so much harder when people can't speak or understand the language. That can lead to isolation and can lead to other problems.
Aie, must admit, didn't think too much about that.
Although those attitudes are held by plenty of native British people as well
Those attitudes amongst the British have been changing gradually and aren't enforced by a book telling them it'll get them into heaven though.
I'm not sure I understand your logic. Are you saying people shouldn't vote for a party because of other people?
BNP voters have to vote for someone, chances are that they won't vote Green.
Miles Quaritch
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I understand the racists who used to vote for the BNP had to go somewhere, that they chose UKIP should be enough to inform anyone that there's something about the party and their image that naturally attracts a large percentage of that racist vote and any sensible and forward thinking person should be embarrassed for even entertaining the idea of voting for them.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread the UKIP manifesto is pretty much the least racist and discriminatory out of all of them. Most of the other big parties are promising less immigration, the difference between them and UKIP is that UKIP offer a worldwide points based system and the rest just have to block anyone who isn't from the EU to deliver their promises.
UKIP are numpties though, but they are not alone in that regard. You probably shouldn't vote for them for that reason not because you want to avoid discriminatory immigration policies.
and that's why UKIP has so many racism scandals? Or are you going to pretend that other parties have just as many?
As Nigel Farage said, every party has a few bad eggs. He didn't go on to point out individual cases of racism in other parties, but there you go.
Did he go onto say that he chucks out the brown eggs?
He judges them like a god with an Australian style points system first, then chucks them out, I heard.
ukip only has "a few"? That's denying reality.
His words (IIRC) not mine.
Farage sacked all the really problematic members, which is the same response the other parties have when their members step out of line too.
They don't like the EU with a passion, they get called racist for it.
What more can he do?
There's been dozens of scandals created by members of all parties over the years. A think a lot of them probably weren't quite as juicy in reality as our press tends to make them out to be.
Would you say Australia is racist?
What makes you say that? I was merely commenting on Nigel's odd fascination with Australia. He also said during the first TV debate we should do whatever it is they do to increase voter turnout, not realising that it's mandatory over there. Shame no one picked him up on that.
UKIP has no problem with immigration. The problem is with poor people, immigration is just the excuse. This is where it starts. You put an end to them now or you allow them to blame the poor for all the problems. Eventually you will get, ''Why should a long term unemployed person be allowed to use the NHS?'' and nonsense like that.
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