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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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I didn't actually know that, very interesting.
It's very entertaining looking at a map and seeing a red blob in the middle of a sea of blue.
CyclopsRock
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I'd been assuming you only ever posted drunk.
Oh just you wait.
Actually, sort of on that subject, I'm meant to be going out to famous 80's-slash-gay'ish club Reflex next Friday. But I also intend to stay up all night on thursday. What am I to do? Anyone else staying up all night? I think last time I went to bed at about 3am when it became clear no one was gonna win. But I feel like so much has been made of the coalitions this time that the exact make up of the minority is pretty interesting in a way that it wasn't in 2010.
We just need an ENP - a party capable of competently representing the interests of the English public in a positive and constructive manner, just as the SNP have done north of the border.
If labour want to morph into that then fine. I just don't see how any unionist party can fill that gap though.
Almost as surprising as a delay to a Polyphony release . . . . !
Good article though.
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I will definitely be in a pub in Oxford somewhere on election night if anyone fancies getting sloshed.
Very sad, was reading about the "Doctor Death" leaflets that went around earlier today actually. Properly scummy campaigning that.
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Yes, because the 'English people' are homogenous and have a clear identifiable interest, rather than being a disparate group of 53 million people who all disagree over moral, ethical, political, cultural and ethnic issues.
Nationalists, huh?
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Wait, Reflex is a gay bar? Whenever I went it was full of middle aged women (which was often at Uni, the other half an I both enjoy 80's music, though it's now basically a 90's/00's place
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We did a shoot in Oxford last summer. Most of it was in Magdalen college which was very pretty - we went on a little boat thing and everything. And we tried to get into the bodleian library on our Recce but they rebuffed us So we had to use Magdalen's. We went to a pub there but it was actually for lunch rather than a booze up. The booze up - traditional at the wrap of a shoot, obviously - occured in the kit busses on the drive back to London, which wasn't super fun because then everyone desperately needed a piss when we got back to the studio.
I don't remember the name of the pub.
It's a gay'ish bar - they have a night or two that aren't overtly advertised as such but are generally known to be gay nights. Plus, you know, when you play enough Spandau Ballet you're going to attract a certain crowd.
So we had to use Magdalen's. We went to a pub there but it was actually for lunch rather than a booze up. The booze up - traditional at the wrap of a shoot, obviously - occured in the kit busses on the drive back to London, which wasn't super fun because then everyone desperately needed a piss when we got back to the studio. I don't remember the name of the pub.
Wait, Reflex is a gay bar? Whenever I went it was full of middle aged women (which was often at Uni, the other half an I both enjoy 80's music, though it's now basically a 90's/00's place
It's a gay'ish bar - they have a night or two that aren't overtly advertised as such but are generally known to be gay nights. Plus, you know, when you play enough Spandau Ballet you're going to attract a certain crowd.
Oxford East, I assume? That's going to be safely Labour this time, I'm pretty sure, although the Lib Dems did run them close a few elections ago.
Oxford West is a rather different kettle of fish, that *was* safely Lib Dem (Evan Harris) until the last election where the Conservative Nicola Blackwood took it over in a *very* tight election (beat Evan by just 176). Could well swing back this time.
We did a shoot in Oxford last summer. Most of it was in Magdalen college which was very pretty - we went on a little boat thing and everything. And we tried to get into the bodleian library on our Recce but they rebuffed us
I don't remember the name of the pub.
We should be able to deduce this! Pub, presumably near the river beside Magdalen? My hunch is The Angel & Greyhound. It has conspicuous boardgames.
Oxford East yeah, West should be a very interesting indeed to watch. Will be keeping an eye on the result there.
We did a shoot in Oxford last summer. Most of it was in Magdalen college which was very pretty - we went on a little boat thing and everything. And we tried to get into the bodleian library on our Recce but they rebuffed us
I don't remember the name of the pub.
It's a gay'ish bar - they have a night or two that aren't overtly advertised as such but are generally known to be gay nights. Plus, you know, when you play enough Spandau Ballet you're going to attract a certain crowd.
Magdelen is lovely, shame you couldn't get into the Bod because it's beautiful in there too.
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I still have never voted in my life (32) and I'm not starting this time around either. It's like choosing between being drowned in piss or diarrhea.
Thornton Reed
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i would vote for piss
CyclopsRock
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It was in the "high street" (we had to do some shooting on the road too, though we ended up not using that sequence IIRC). The food was fine by there was about 16 of us so it was just churned through I think.
We physically went in there and had a look around on the Recce but we weren't allowed to shoot there (well, we could, but there were so many stipulations that it just wasn't worth it in the end).
Actually, here it is. It was a pretty fun one to shoot - as you can see, the weather was beautiful (half of us got burnt) and we got to see the fallow deer too! Not a bad day at the office really.
https://linkonym.appspot.com/?GMizX...YAbomhvJaXkZLQvPZGkfInF0slPhvkhgOau62xkTDQnUz
QuicheFontaine
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Yeah, piss seems like the obvious choice there
As would I.
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Sir, you are lucky I was not drinking coffee when I read your post, or I would have snorted it on my keyboard.
Liberally fucking.
Quite a large one that served food? Could well be The Mitre.
Interesting shout there. Best pub in Oxford is the White Rabbit, purely on the basis that it does superb pizza.
For some reason I'm reminded of that line from the classic Two Ronnie's Mastermind sketch:
"What's the difference between a donkey and an ass? One's a trade union leader, the other's a member of the cabinet."
I don't think we're that much more disparate than the Scots or any other European nation. And the success of the SNP has been in articulating and shaping a positive framework for the aspirations and direction of the Scottish people. And they do it inclusively. The problem with this country is that no party is willing to do that. The big three are tinkerers playing around the edges but never *building* or pushing a future, and UKIP are a party of destruction (which is fine when targeted right) and nothing else.
EDIT: English piss > British diarrhoea.
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I'm just watching QT from last night, and Dimbleby referred to Cameron as the Leader of the Conservatives (which obviously he is) and not the PM (or "and Prime Minister") etc. Is he technically still the PM now there's no parliament for him to be the Prime Minister of? Like, he's not the first among equals cause there aint no equals, non? So if we had some sort of war'y situation now, would the Queen just call the shots? She should.
PJV3
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The PM and privy counsel remain until a replacement is elected. The queen is doing fuck all.
CyclopsRock
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Uneccessary. Let her have a go. She's spent enough time watching mummy and daddy drive - sometimes they even let her do the gear stick. Give her the wheel!
CyclopsRock
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Ohhhhhh shit. Still, that proves she gets shit done.
I'd feel better about the whole thing if she ran the country to be honest. It's got to be better than the current shower of piss and diarhhea that we have now.
Save us a shitload on MPs salaries too.
I'd love it, if she just said, fuck the lot of you, I'm taking over. I'd be well up for that one. At least she woudn't sell everything with prefixed with 'Royal' or 'British'.
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Cool, she hasn't got long left and then Charles takes over. VIVE LA REVOLUTION.
Only if she's been Activated.
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I mean, the English probably are more disparate than the Scots because there are 53 million English and 7 million Scots. The odds that the most differently opinionated English persons are further away than their Scottish equivalents is much higher.
But either way, that's irrelevant. Even if the English were equally disparate, the idea that one party can somehow represent every English person is total nonsense. The SNP doesn't even do it for Scotland! They represent the desires of about 50% of Scottish people, in a political framework that works against fragmentization and ensures that there are only a few large parties in any political context. To pretend that the SNP somehow represent the whole of Scotland does a massive disservice to the people who will vote for the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, Scottish Greens, UKIP, and all the other various parties that exist in Scotland.
All of those voting blocs have very different ideas about what Scotland's future is, and you can't possibly represent them all in one party. How can you build a common future when one woman's moral opinion is that we have no obligation to those poorer than ourselves and one man's moral opinion is that equality is the greatest virtue even if it means a decrease in the average standard? There is no commonality between those viewpoints. They are fundamentally different, and you can't handwave them away by saying "well, at least you share a national identity".
You can't even build a future on national identity. I mean, you can have short term goals - maybe England should be independent from the United Kingdom - but what do you do then? What does independent England look like? Does it have a strong welfare state, a weak one? Does it favour punishment or rehabilitation? Does it encourage focusing on lowest or highest denominators in education? Does it favour free trade or protectionism? You can't answer any of these questions by appeal to nationality, because they're fundamentally not questions about nationality.
Your example is the SNP, but the SNP is only so successful because they're not really about nationality, not fundamentally. They spent decades being a party about nationality and never had much to show for it as a result. They started doing well when they started talking about other issues - welfare, education, health - and started promoting policies and ideologies that other people liked. You jump back to 2011 and look at the break down of the Holyrood votes and only something like half of the SNPs voters at the time wanted independence - most of them were simply left-wing voters voting for a left-wing party. If anything, independence and a sense of national identity followed other political issues. not proceeded them - it's much easier to have a Scottish sense of identity if you think that a Scottish party will represent you better on the issues you care about than a British one.
I'm willing to bet here and now that the reverse is also true - if the SNP start implementing policies that aren't very good for welfare or education relative to Labour, or alternatively go back to being a one-note party, desire for independence will fade away very quickly. In fact, the most 'nationalist' party in Britain is probably Plaid Cymru, and that's the reason nobody votes for them. They're not talking about education, welfare, health, policing, justice because they're busy talking about making sure the Welsh language remains in schools and that all Welsh children are taught about Owain Glyndwr and that signposts around the country have Welsh on them; and as a result nobody cares about Welsh national identity because they suspect an independent Wales would probably be worse off than the present one.
I just cant watch interviews with people on a side, this is so utterly horrible when the rhetoric takes front seat to the truth, people wont answer questions, they will never answer question, why bother?
They wonder why people dont vote
Daily Politics has asked a simple question to a labour mp 8 times and 8 times he has not answered.
They wonder why people dont vote
Daily Politics has asked a simple question to a labour mp 8 times and 8 times he has not answered.
Best thing to do is go the polling station and draw cocks all over your ballot paper. Just make sure not to cross any pubes in any of the boxes.
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At least go and spoil your ballot. That way people know you're pissed off as opposed to lazy.
CyclopsRock
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If you really want to demonstrate that you're not lazy, make your dick-pics supremely detailed. Like, slightly disgustingly so. The returning officer will keep giving you weird looks, wondering why you've been in the voting booth for 45 minutes, but don't worry, they can't legally kick you out. Just proper go to town.
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If everyone did, quite probably. "Spoilt Ballot" would romp home with the plurality of the votes!
It depends how many of the people who don't currently vote dislike the system instead of just not caring. If a few people do it, probably not, but if you say have 10% or more of the electorate doing it, it might do.
At least a spoilt ballot is counted and shows that you care enough about the system to take 2 minutes of your day to cast it
I normally just write some illegible grumble about safe seats and first past the post and stuff it in the ballot box at General Elections, but I like your style
I normally just write some illegible grumble about safe seats and first past the post and stuff it in the ballot box at General Elections, but I like your style
45 minutes is ample time to produce some realistic looking jizz to adorn your artistic creations with.
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