Sweeney Tom
Banned
just omg at this whole argument happening again
I thought a 2 month break got it out of everyone's system but I also thought 2 years would be enough to leave Punk alone
Greatly underestimating this community
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just omg at this whole argument happening again
I thought a 2 month break got it out of everyone's system but I also thought 2 years would be enough to leave Punk alone
Greatly underestimating this community
Omg dude do you not know Sir Mix-A-Lot?
Also it's hilarious how every time CM Punk even being brought up causes some people to act out. He's our trigger.
slightconfuse
Banned
Lol,you have a selective memory both punk and Bryan were treated like shit as champ. When Johnny Ace is main eventing a ppv you are not a good champ. Or being thown into shitty Kane fueds
The salt content of WrassleGAF always spikes when Punk is brought up, whether it be past WWE stuff or UFC news.
blackaroni
Member
I think this is the point where some cry that those weren't the original plans because that matters for some reason.
Dusty Rhodes looked like a hot mess and he's a legend.
It's weird to me that people would rather see someone who looks good than someone who actually is good, but I don't get to dictate what people like. I will say that talent and charisma can overcome look, and I think it's disingenuous to say that someone with a certain look will never amount to anything because they don't have a "broad appeal". They may not have appeal to you, but others might feel differently.
People cite media appearances like it's the end-all be-all of public perception. But if a guy like KO can keep the hosts and the audience engaged through with his personality, then that's still a win, regardless of what first impressions based on look are.
It's weird to me that people would rather see someone who looks good than someone who actually is good, but I don't get to dictate what people like. I will say that talent and charisma can overcome look, and I think it's disingenuous to say that someone with a certain look will never amount to anything because they don't have a "broad appeal". They may not have appeal to you, but others might feel differently.
People cite media appearances like it's the end-all be-all of public perception. But if a guy like KO can keep the hosts and the audience engaged through with his personality, then that's still a win, regardless of what first impressions based on look are.
Yeah it was an ill judged joke by me.
Apologies for nearly killing the thread again
(seriously)is that the Nicki Minaj song
yeah I just didn't get the reference off the bat
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Deleted member 47027
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It's not Vince's fault they were poor champions. He gave them the ball. They stood still.
It's ok. Not everyone constantly has Baby Got Back looping in their head.
the politician protects his spot
Bluekaveli
Member
99 al snow had all of the tools to be the head guy in the company. He knew what everyone wanted.
Ryback does not have that look.
nyuk nyuk nyuk
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Deleted member 47027
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Cena vs Ace had more importance. The championship wasn't able to help elevate Punk to the very top in this situation, as Cena vs the GM was more important to the majority of people watching.
I agree it was far BETTER but that's with my criteria on what I enjoy. Not everyone appreciates it.
Johnny Ace. Main event draw. Dynamic Dudes forever.
Bluekaveli
Member
Also, he was cntroversial. That creates cash.
blackaroni
Member
When he comes back! I think we're over the Kane/Big Show era...thankfully. I don't know about good "character" though. Just don't constantly put him on the screen.
Yes.
slightconfuse
Banned
Look at that ball
plagiarize
Banned
Kevin has a great look. His look is part of his appeal. The argument that every champ should look one certain way... just isn't played out in reality. Kevin looks like he could go off at any moment and he makes everything he does look legitimately damaging. So he's good to go.
As I said way way back when he was about to debut in NXT and people were skeptical about him, he was almost certainly hired in *part* for his look. They would have made him change it if they didn't want that look. They hired Kevin Steen and barely did a thing to repackage him.
Because that was who they wanted. They brought him up early... because Kevin Owens was clearly getting over, and was clearly someone who could feud with Cena. He's slowly taking over Monday Night Raw because he is the complete package. He's got a great look. He's a fantastic promo. He's a *believable* bad ass in the ring.
Give him a standard wrestling muscular physique, and he wouldn't stand out nearly as much.
slightconfuse
Banned
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Since you brought up original plans, I just wanted to say I'm upset your hero Bryan died. Really, I truly am.
The amount of salt, water, and fire you and others would have provided over him being the one Brock squashed in 15 minutes instead of Cena would have been enough to power this forum and entire countries for generations. Wrestling has never missed out on a greater opportunity. We are weaker for it.
Man. Finally!
They really did put him on the screen a lot didn't they? He was all over the show, way more so than Roman has been. Weird decision.
Rockandrollclown
lookwhatyou'vedone
Personally, I feel like "the look" is toxic. If you're the total package like a Rick Flair, Rock, or Steve Austin its certainly nice to have. Prioritizing it above all else is why we have Reigns now. When talking about the Attitude era, one of the greatest moments ever is Foley winning the belt. When looking at recent times, people point to Bryan winning as one of the great Wrestlemania moments. I personally feel the ranking is 1. Charisma 2. In ring abililty 3. is the look. I feel like you need to have two of the three to be champ, all three is obviously better. When you look at all the up and comers not many of them have the look and are all a lot more entertaining than Reigns imo.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
The original plan involved a title feud getting 3rd billing behind a stooge and Nash/HHH Sledgehammer Pole Match. Wonderful. 12 stars. Nobel prize. Get that over.
slightconfuse
Banned
Biggest draw in combat sports is 5'6 145 pounds. Look means nothing
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Reigns had one hell of a match with Styles. It was laid out perfectly and played to Roman's strengths while giving AJ an amazing fight. Loved every bit of it. Easily top 5 WWE match of the year, if not the top. I'd have to do some thinkin. But it was awesome, and Reigns was great in his role.
Doesn't work like that, not a good comparison. Dogshit comparison
Biggest draw when he's not fighting people bigger than he is. Weight classes and all.
Doesn't work like that, not a good comparison. Dogshit comparison
Biggest draw when he's not fighting people bigger than he is. Weight classes and all.
Prioritizing "the look" is why we have Roman as THE GUY right now even though he's not over and is getting more heat than Cena ever got. It's also why Cena hasn't had a heel turn in a decade. Shit, to an extent it's also why Vince kept sticking with Shawn Michaels even though HBK was a PR disaster waiting to happen.
You're not sending the 2016 equivalent of Mick Foley to the Today Show, SportsCenter, etc.
That's mainstream, billion dollar corporation professional wrestling.
The idea that "look" doesn't matter is absurd. Have you seen Conor McGregor? "Look" doesn't necessarily mean Phil Heath.
That's mainstream, billion dollar corporation professional wrestling.
The idea that "look" doesn't matter is absurd. Have you seen Conor McGregor? "Look" doesn't necessarily mean Phil Heath.
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Deleted member 47027
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His clothing is immaculate. He looks like a million bucks.
Switch that with Owens showing up in sweatpants and a sleeveless tee-shirt with cheeto dust on it. Nah. We'll go with the guy in the suit.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Of course, he's in Siberia right now complaining on Instagram about a loss he totally didn't have because it wasn't fair and why shouldn't he have a rematch he already refused
FlammableD
Banned
He was still the big draw when he jumped 2 weight classes.
plagiarize
Banned
You think KO would burst into flames if he put on a suit or something? You think he wanders around covered in cheeto dust wearing sweatpants and sleeveless t-shirts when he isn't wrestling?
Anyone can be fitted for a suit.
Barrage
Member
Not over.
Yet...
Getting more heat than Cena ever got. Think about what you just posted.
Reigns in December when he was being pushed as the new Bryan? Not over.
Tweener Reigns,now? Huge reactions.
The WWE are (successfully) having their cake and eating it too.
slightconfuse
Banned
If the number 1,criteta is that they have to be able go on the today show you already lost.
Maybe instead of appealing to 50 year old,mothers, you actually,appeal to the people that pay you money
Maybe instead of appealing to 50 year old,mothers, you actually,appeal to the people that pay you money
blackaroni
Member
My hero? Is this meant for me? Sweeney, are you ok?
He was and it was annoying, but everyone claimed that Roman was being shoved down their throats. Funny how that works. I need another J&J Security run though. They made up for all of dragged out and boring segments with Rollins.
But yeah, I think we're at a point where we won't have those completely terrible title reigns.
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Yes, but he's not looking like that terrible time when Owens stood toe to toe with Orton.
Except for John Cena, apparently.
Professor Beef
Banned
But the media appearances are part of the package of being champ. I'm not saying they're the be-all-end-all like people will joke about, but they're still important. You're representing the company as a whole, and looking good while doing it is part of it, as well as people skills. Punk couldn't do it (and for a while wasn't even WILLING to do it), and Bryan was too frail to do it (and him having a filthy-looking beard didn't help things).
Bringing up Dusty is a bit weird, seeing as how he was from a completely different era. Things aren't the same right now as they were back then.
Some people are confusing Owens' character with his look. Owens has a great character, I don't think I'll ever disagree with that, and he can certainly go in the ring. But he looks like a fan rather than a champ. And that's not a good look. Again, let's not pretend that ability is solely what matters when becoming WWE Champ.
Gamespot sent Jeff Gerstmann to Good Morning America in FUBU, WWE can send Owens out in swim trunks and a t-shirt.
Watch that interview thing with Roman and Charlotte the day after WM, neither one of them knows how to talk. I'd rather have casuals go "this dude dresses like shit, but he's cool" instead of "this dude sounds like he's challenged, so who put him in a suit? They forgot his helmet."
Watch that interview thing with Roman and Charlotte the day after WM, neither one of them knows how to talk. I'd rather have casuals go "this dude dresses like shit, but he's cool" instead of "this dude sounds like he's challenged, so who put him in a suit? They forgot his helmet."
I agree with this.
plagiarize
Banned
I've seen Cena in a suit.
I'd rather someone like Owens put onto a Sports Center broadcast if he's representing my company than someone like Roman. Owens handles himself far better in interviews than Reigns does, no? How great does Reigns look when he's struggling to get his words out? Are we pretending that Mick Foley and Vader never existed? I don't get it. Owens can generate interest with his appearances, and can make sure that the appropriate message is conveyed in an entertaining and compelling way. He'd do plenty to draw interest in that spot. He's compelling outside of the ring. I don't see why that suddenly stops happening because he's on the Today show or something. Heck, James Corden looks like a wrestling fan... does that prevent him from being able to promote his network or draw viewers to his show?
You've never seen Cena in a suit that's actually fitted for him.
Cena's suit game is an F on the Zach scale