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[CazTGG]

Tory doesn't support carding, though? The audio is somewhat dated, so I think we should give him a chance to apologize for his comments.

From a statement Tory released in 2016 where he made slight changes to carding policies:

I strongly believe our police can do their jobs and can keep our city safe while at the same time protecting the rights of our citizens. The best investigative tool the police have is the trust of the people they serve and protect.

Short version: John Tory thinks carding is useful and not discriminatory despite all evidence to the contrary. His amendments have done nothing to combat the issue that carding presents nor do they give any reason to justify one having faith in the police to not abuse carding given the aforementioned systemic racism and collection of information.

 

[Kinsei]

Of course not.

But I find posters coming in here without any knowledge of the TO mayoral election posting statements like "why can't Toronto pick mayors" a little irritating, in relation to what is going on in the most powerful country in the world.

Olivia Chow was a candidate. You (I'm referring to the city, not you specifically) totally had the chance to pick a better mayor.

I'm Canadian FYI.

 

[DopeyFish]

Of course not.

But I find posters coming in here without any knowledge of the TO mayoral election posting statements like "why can't Toronto pick mayors" a little irritating, in relation to what is going on in the most powerful country in the world.

Also mayors in toronto are pretty much just another vote. They don't really have much power outside of shaping a vision. Council is pretty damn liberal, so even when we elect idiots, they are still at mercy to the rest of the cities will.

 

[rashbeep]

As if people don't make drive by posts about American politics when they ain't from here

Again, the difference is the power the US has on a global scale.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Not only is it in poor taste, but the costume itself is shit.

Yeah, this. Hopefully he's grown up a lot in the last five years.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

 

[Azuran]

PSA: The people living in actual Toronto aren't voting these people into power.

Because Rob Ford was running for re-election until he swapped with his brother who is just as bad policy wise but not a total scumbag

Of course not.

But I find posters coming in here without any knowledge of the TO mayoral election posting statements like "why can't Toronto pick mayors" a little irritating, in relation to what is going on in the most powerful country in the world.

American posters complaining about elections that they don't care or know about, but still feel the need to comment on the process or actions that led to this outcome. Nothing new here.

I bet 2/3 of the people criticizing our political system haven't even looked at a map of the GTA before. We're a region with millions of people with lots of rural areas. It's not surprising conservative mayors win here.

 

[Bronetta]

As if Canadians never comment on American politics in drive-by posts.

We certainly do it with more information and awareness rather than going OMG WHY DID YOU ELECT HIM. John Tory didnt run a campaign endorsing blackface.


Your president however did run his campaign on hate and racism.

 

[Skellig Gra]

"Get over it", give me a break. Probably thinks its ok because "only America has racists".

 

[Silver Arrows]

"Get over it", give me a break. Probably thinks its ok because "only America has racists".

This is generally the case from most Canadians I find. That because we are a generally 'nice' people, that there is no such thing as racism up north. Newsflash, there is, and you only have to look so far as the nearest Indian reserve, or some of the things the Canadian government did in the past to get that.

Canada took after well from the colonial masters in making racism an overt thing, instead of the out in the open nature of racism in the US.

 

[Nokterian]

Toronto "look at this blackface it is racist!"

The netherlands "Hold my beer"

 

[WrenchNinja]

As if people don't make drive by posts about American politics when they ain't from here

You don't need to be from the place, just educate yourself and know what you're talking about

 

[Clinton514]

The western world is mad confused. Everyone crying racism. Everyone offended.

I'm not even sure what to think about this one.

 

[mdubs]

This is generally the case from most Canadians I find. That because we are a generally 'nice' people, that there is no such thing as racism up north. Newsflash, there is, and you only have to look so far as the nearest Indian reserve, or some of the things the Canadian government did in the past to get that.

Canada took after well from the colonial masters in making racism an overt thing, instead of the out in the open nature of racism in the US.

As if your generalization of Canadians is any better, because that's exactly what you are doing here.

There are plenty of people here openly critical of our policies and the systemic racism towards Indigenous peoples. Macleans ran an article in the last few years that lambasted Winnipeg and that got a very positive reception in terms of getting people talking about the need for change.

 

[Silver Arrows]

The western world is mad confused. Everyone crying racism. Everyone offended.

I'm not even sure what to think about this one.

gee, I wonder why

surely because there are black people who don't want to be mocked due to their skin color, which is ultimately what blackface is?

hmmmm

 

[Marquis]

Is it really that hard not to paint your face black? Is that really such a gigantic and unacceptable restriction of your freedom?

It's hard for many to not say a certain word in which they know is meant not to be said by people who look like them. And I'm talking about the version soft version mind you. So I can truly believe that it really is hard for these people to not paint their face black lol.

 

[L Thammy]

This is generally the case from most Canadians I find. That because we are a generally 'nice' people, that there is no such thing as racism up north. Newsflash, there is, and you only have to look so far as the nearest Indian reserve, or some of the things the Canadian government did in the past to get that.

Canada took after well from the colonial masters in making racism an overt thing, instead of the out in the open nature of racism in the US.

Or go to anywhere in Ontario outside of Toronto itself, really.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

The western world is mad confused. Everyone crying racism. Everyone offended.

I'm not even sure what to think about this one.

I don't really get what is hard about don't paint your face black, it has very bad historical connotations.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Or go to anywhere in the GTA outside of Toronto itself.

Or some of the shit people have said in regards to Surrey or Richmond, in my experience living in BC.

 

[Clinton514]

gee, I wonder why

surely because there are black people who don't want to be mocked due to their skin color, which is ultimately what blackface is?

hmmmm

For the record, I'm black and I don't believe I need anyone outside of my category telling me how I should feel about something.

 

[trixx]

would i have to paint myself white to become Clark Kent, is that necessary?

 

[commedieu]

For the record, I'm black and I don't believe I need anyone outside of my category telling me how I should feel about something.

I'm black. And you're saying its a non issue..

So you're telling me, how I should feel about something?

 

[Clinton514]

I'm black. And you're saying its a non issue..

So you're telling me, how I should feel about something?

How about you go up and read my post about ME not knowing how to feel about it. My opinion is that everyone is confused. I'm not telling you how to feel.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I'm black. And you're saying its a non issue..

So you're telling me, how I should feel about something?

The ironing is truly delicious.

 

[HaloSon]

For the record, I'm black and I don't believe I need anyone outside of my category telling me how I should feel about something.

Slave mentality, free yourself.

 

[Fuzzy]

PSA: The people living in actual Toronto aren't voting these people into power.





American posters complaining about elections that they don't care or know about, but still feel the need to comment on the process or actions that led to this outcome. Nothing new here.

I bet 2/3 of the people criticizing our political system haven't even looked at a map of the GTA before. We're a region with millions of people with lots of rural areas. It's not surprising conservative mayors win here.

Please learn how voting for Mayor works. Not one person from outside of Toronto voted for Mayor.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I'm black. And you're saying its a non issue..

So you're telling me, how I should feel about something?

Can we gather all the black gaf members and have an official vote?

 

[Clinton514]

Slave mentality, free yourself.

holy christ...

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Slave mentality, free yourself.

Can you not?

 

[crimzonflame]

PSA: The people living in actual Toronto aren't voting these people into power.



I bet 2/3 of the people criticizing our political system haven't even looked at a map of the GTA before. We're a region with millions of people with lots of rural areas. It's not surprising conservative mayors win here.

You probably havent looked at a map of Toronto. People in the GTA do not vote for the mayor of Toronto.

 

[His Majesty]

Slave mentality, free yourself.

this is probably the worst thing I have read today

and that includes a friend of mine predicting an arsenal victory tonight

 

[Kinsei]

Please learn how voting for Mayor works. Not one person from outside of Toronto voted for Mayor.

If it's anything like mayoral elections for Halifax then they can. I vote for the mayor here even though I live in the HRM , no the city proper.

 

[HaloSon]

this is probably the worst thing I have read today

and that includes a friend of mine predicting an arsenal victory tonight

I'm sure it is nothing fun about mental slavery and defining your oppressor.

 

[Domcorleone]

I think theses a difference dressing up as a celebrity and dressing up as a specific ethnicity. I don't care if someone whether they white black or otherwise dresses up as a celeb or a character in a movie. That's not the same as blackface to me. I don't think we should be lumping all these things in together.

 

[Domcorleone]

I'm sure it is nothing fun about mental slavery and defining your oppressor.

Or maybe he has a different opinion than you, and if you're truly after people not being slaves then you should be happy someone is making their own decisions and forming their own opinions and not trying to represent a single race as if we are some monolith group.

White people get to be individuals everyday, you playing into societies hands by having us (blacks) be accountable for each other.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I think theses a difference dressing up as a celebrity and dressing up as a specific ethnicity. I don't care if someone whether they white black or otherwise dresses up as a celeb or a character in a movie. That's not the same as blackface to me. I don't think we should be lumping all these things in together.

You don't think painting your face up is dressing up as a spcecific ethnicity? It's the literal definition :/

 

[Fuzzy]

If it's anything like mayoral elections for Halifax then they can. I vote for the mayor here even though I live in the HRM , no the city proper.

It's not. They can't.

 

[trixx]

Slave mentality, free yourself.

I don't even understand your reply. How exactly is his comment an example of slave mentality? Or are you saying the opposite?

Or are you talking about not secluding ones thoughts on a topic to an identity? I don't understand how this is slave mentality.

 

[krae_man]

Please learn how voting for Mayor works. Not one person from outside of Toronto voted for Mayor.

Toronto is only a 2km radius from the CN Tower. Everything else is *not Toronto*

 

[Dude Abides]

Again, the difference is the power the US has on a global scale.

How much power does a place need to have to longer be exempt from criticism of its leadership?

 

[Fuzzy]

Toronto is only a 2km radius from the CN Tower. Everything else is *not Toronto*

Go back to the KW you handheld collecting weirdo.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

From a statement Tory released in 2016 where he made slight changes to carding policies:



Short version: John Tory thinks carding is useful and not discriminatory despite all evidence to the contrary. His amendments have done nothing to combat the issue that carding presents nor do they give any reason to justify one having faith in the police to not abuse carding given the aforementioned systemic racism and collection of information.

But isn't that his statement from when he outlawed carding...? The only problem left was whether to destroy the historical carding data or to keep it. Civil rights groups and even John Tory himself wanted it removed, but the police kept it because of supposed 'legal issues' (which Tory allowed). He's been wanting to remove carding since 2015.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Slave mentality, free yourself.

It would be funny if you were whiter than Bill Walton's teeth.

 

[Domcorleone]

You don't think painting your face up is dressing up as a spcecific ethnicity? It's the literal definition :/

Someone dressing up as Bob Marley is different than someone dressing up as a random Jamaican with dreadlocks, Rasta hat and a blunt. I find the latter very offensive and the former not as much. But I understand every minority feels differently about it.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

People get offended over blackface due to its historical significance. Just stop it. Get over it. Its not hard. Fucking hell. I know everyone wants to be black. Just let it go.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Someone dressing up as Bob Marley is different than someone dressing up as a random Jamaican with dreadlocks, Rasta hat and a blunt. I find the latter very offensive and the former not as much. But I understand every minority feels differently about it.

That's not what I asked you. I asked you how painting your face is not dressing up as an ethnicity. It's the basically the definition isn't it? You wear MJ's classic thriller costume you are dressing like MJ. You paint yourself brown you are imitating his race. Without the identifyimg clothing no one knows who you are suppose to be.

So can you explain to me how painting yourself isn't playing ethnicity dress up? I'm not asking you to agree with whether it is or isn't acceptable. I just dont get how people can actually say it isn't ethnicity/race dress up.

 

[dc3k]

It's not. They can't.

You don't have to live in Toronto to vote in its municipal elections

 

[BigJonsson]

You don't have to live in Toronto to vote in its municipal elections

How do you figure? Unless your definition of Toronto is pre-megacity

 

[gutter_trash]

what do you expect? his last name is Tory
(for those who don't know, Tory (Tories) is a nickname for members of the Conservative Parties (Federal and Provincial)) (inherited front the British)

 

[dc3k]

How do you figure? Unless your definition of Toronto is pre-megacity

Haha no, I'm not one of those insufferable "it's not actually Toronto unless you're talking about pre-amalgamation Toronto like when I was 6!" dickheads.

You can live elsewhere and vote if you own/rent property in the city: http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=2471fc9b6462c310VgnVCM10000068d60f89RCRD