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Mayor of Toronto John Tory Defends "Ridiculous" Blackface: "Get Over It"
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Gotdatmoney
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You were the one playing the Canadians dont know this is racist angle. I frankly disagree. I have never had to tell anyone I know not to paint their face black. Yet none of them have ever done it. Do you think its just coincidence or its because they actually know a black person and know this would not go over well?
I understand offending black people is low on peoples list of important things. It's fine.
How do you know it's no harm?
Like I said I know its offensive, but i'm in my 40's. I'm not 25 year old prairie boy that spent my entire life at the rink and or the field. I said some Canadians would not understand or intend it to be racist so for me I can give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Apparently many of you can't both side are perfectly acceptable.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Hmm interesting, I was just watching this crazy guy's (Also Canadian) view on 'blackface' earlier today.
Silver Arrows
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This is wrong.
Tell some Prairie kid, or a dude from the Maritimes to not dress in blackface because it's offensive and racist to black people, chances are they understand completely.
hydrophilic attack
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fuck the tory
Chances are when you explain it they get it. Wow what a concept. Is this some magic thing that everyone in the world just magically understands. I am sure he realizes it was insensitive and offensive to some people. The trick is knowing it before you do it. Do you rage and yell at people when you see them light three cigarettes in a group?
Messofanego
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Thought you were cool, Canada.
I'm from the maritimes. We know that black face is racist.
The guy in question knew that it was offensive. He had defended another person in black face before this incident.
Silver Arrows
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Exactly. I don't know why darscot seems to think that Canadians are stupid and think that blackface is just this newfangled American problem that we wouldn't stoop down to.
Gotdatmoney
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With the dawn of the internet I am far less inclined to believe a 25 year old doesn't know painting your face black is problematic.
They may not intend it to be racist but they absolutely know it is wrong. Again, why is it that as soon as black people appear the face painting stops?
No one is contending that you arent allowed to feel how you want. We are contending that A) racism is not defined by intent and B) Canadians are not so far removed from reality that painting your face black is some unknown taboo.
gutter_trash
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if your parents didn't make you watch PBS as kid, then they are bad parents
I didnt say that at all I said I could undestand that some Canadians would not realise this. I never said all. I said its possible he did not intend to offend so I personally didn't care. If he did it on purpose to be racist then I agree its wrong.
Bozak was told just one year earlier what it meant and chose to do it anyway. What don't people understand about that? That goes doubly for Tory.
I pretty sure I mentioned that from the start.
So why is it so hard for you to admit that with all of the stories over the years about shit like this being unacceptable that it's okay to use ignorance as an excuse? Nobody is allowed to use ignorance as an excuse on this issue. Ever.
Holy shit, is this guy for real? I need to remove this shit from my viewing history.
Fixed.
Rebel Media is basically our Brietbart.
Silver Arrows
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But you know with blackface, you know that's the only way people can act contrarian or go 'Actually...'
Because showing empathy for black people and taking a second to think 'Hmm, is this a good idea, dressing myself up in blackface?' is apparently so hard.
American politics is Canadian politics. We just don't get to vote. I wish that wasn't the case, believe me.
Because I understand the world is big with lots of people. I do not expect everyone to understand this. I don't think my kids would actually comprehend the issue. They might have seen something on the net that you shouldn't do it but I would be shocked if they actually understood why. In the end I'm not that fussed about it. You clearly are, what more is there to say on the topic?
bonesmccoy
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Very true. Wrong is wrong. Neither Bozak (nor Tory) seem to have made this mistake since this incident came up in the news back in 2012. It would appear that the outcry in this case worked?
Silver Arrows
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Seriously, how hard is it to comprehend: "Black face is bad, don't do it?"
gutter_trash
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a blackface controversy erupted during a comedy play in Quebec where a francophone white actor doned blackface to portray P.K. Subban for a sketch.
Quebec artists started using the language barrier as a cultural barrier that kept them seperate from American culture as an excuse of not knowing that blackface was wrong.
then people started questioning the excuse for being a cop-out especially since they share a border with the US
P.K. Subban himself hates blackface and wasn't amused when some fans dressed up in blackface during home games during his rookie year.
so, if P.K. Subban himself does not approve of blackface, then fans and local artists should respect PK's sentiment
Quebec artists started using the language barrier as a cultural barrier that kept them seperate from American culture as an excuse of not knowing that blackface was wrong.
then people started questioning the excuse for being a cop-out especially since they share a border with the US
P.K. Subban himself hates blackface and wasn't amused when some fans dressed up in blackface during home games during his rookie year.
so, if P.K. Subban himself does not approve of blackface, then fans and local artists should respect PK's sentiment
I'd suggest you teach your kids about issues like this before it becomes an issue they have to deal with. I'm glad my parents (and other family members) did.
LOL, I don't think you comprehend my usage of the word comprehend.
XT Vengeance
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There is never any reason to try and change your skin color for a costume. It is disrespectful.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Haha Yeah, Just saying, some white people out there!
Silver Arrows
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Considering what is going on in the US, Canada is a utopia in comparison. But your words ring too damn true.
This is coming from the same guy who seems to think that the majority of Canadians are brain dead when it comes to the issue of blackface.
Tell me, would you do blackface in front of black person in the Maritimes, who often descended from slaves in the Southern US? Would you say: "Oh you don't comprehend the issue" then?
all you've been doing in this thread is Olympic caliber deflection and trying to make Canadians stupider then they are. Newsflash, we know what blackface is. It's racist, full stop. Don't do it. Tell your kids it's bad.
supermarioworldE
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I just dont understand how people can have more respect and empathy for fucking face paint than the feelings of the people they offend by wearing it. Like it or not, blackface has a long history of racism and stereotyping that continues to this day, and there are many of us who naturally take offense to the act. Tory and anyone else who wants to ignore the sensitivity of such an issue in favor playing dress up can fuck right off.
Oh settle down I never said any such thing. You are missing my usage of the word comprehend. My kids probably understand it would be seen as offensive but I don't think they really understand the issue and why it is. They would have at best the basic people rage on the internet and the whole thing seems silly. Maybe take a step back from you rage and hyperbole.
Proud Torontonian here, but yeah even as a city where multiculturalism is so strong and we still got our share of racists.
Just the other day I was in a line at food basics, an fellow was trying to get through the line up to leave and he had his own cart. There was a middle aged anglo lady in the line who completely ignores his "excuse me"s to try and leave. He was trying to be nice and polite, she eventually caved after like 3 mins or so(she saw a lot of people glaring at her) caved and had to take a couple of steps to give him room to leave and after he left she finally said "fucken chinks never know how to be considerate".
Funny thing is(and I hate to be judgemdntal here and my intent is to not make fun) is that he was able to pass everyone else except her because of how big she was. If she wasn't, he could have slipped by no problem.
Not even gonna talk bout the racism I recently had to face (mainly in downtown late nights) that I generally did not face before the Trump effect.
Just the other day I was in a line at food basics, an fellow was trying to get through the line up to leave and he had his own cart. There was a middle aged anglo lady in the line who completely ignores his "excuse me"s to try and leave. He was trying to be nice and polite, she eventually caved after like 3 mins or so(she saw a lot of people glaring at her) caved and had to take a couple of steps to give him room to leave and after he left she finally said "fucken chinks never know how to be considerate".
Funny thing is(and I hate to be judgemdntal here and my intent is to not make fun) is that he was able to pass everyone else except her because of how big she was. If she wasn't, he could have slipped by no problem.
Not even gonna talk bout the racism I recently had to face (mainly in downtown late nights) that I generally did not face before the Trump effect.
homeworkfilms
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Everyone here should read Prof. Charmaine Nelson on the topic from about 4 years ago when there was focus on a theatre in Quebec using blackface for a production.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/charmaine-nelson/blackface-in-quebec_b_3348561.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/charmaine-nelson/blackface-in-quebec_b_3348561.html
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