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[Blade2.0]

TVA has been really stupid. Are they even in the comics or is it an MCU only thing? They just really suck, the aesthetics are bland and the troops look dumb as fuck, like spaceballs storm troopers. There's just nothing fun or aesthetically pleasing about them. We didn't need them for multiversal fun in no way home or multiverse of madness, what good are they? I can't stand em!

Anyways, rewatching some Wolverine vs Deadpool and they're by far the worst part of the film. Paradox isn't even a fun villain. I just wanted the TVA crap to be over to get back to the good parts of the film.

 

[bitbydeath]

Did you watch Loki for more context on them?
TVA is one of my favourite parts of post-endgame MCU.

 

[HoodWinked]

aye, the first season of Loki where you were first introduced to the aesthetic of the TVA was really great especially paired with the weird, nostalgic, otherworldly, creepy soundtrack. I do agree with the troopers, I never liked their design either and don't look like they fit with the retro-future aesthetic.

 

[FunkMiller]

I just wanted the TVA crap to be over to get back to the good parts of the film.

Well, that’s not happening. The TVA stuff is bound right into the multiverse stuff, and they’re not dropping that asinine shit any time soon. Got to keep those alternate versions coming!

 

[KyoZz]

Same. They serve as an excuse for every stupid and completely incoherent story in the MCU since Loki (which is mid at best and overrated imo)

This is why I thought Deadpool & Wolverine was mid at best. Sure it's good to see Blade back, some jokes are working and Ryan Reynolds is made to play Deadpool but other than that as soon as you start asking yourself a few things, the movie completely falls appart. Like, Logan and Deadpool 1 & 2 are taking place in the same Earth? WTF.

Now, everything is just a pretext for a cool scene that they're going to put in the trailer.

 

[Trilobit]

I feel incredibly bored whenever I see that a show has time travel or multiverses and not just in Marvel productions. It takes away any tension.

 

[Lunarorbit]

I don't think they are in the comics. I think we've reached the saturation point with multiverse... and this is just the beginning for the movies.

Multiverse has just been over done the last few years. How many spidermen are there now? Holy cow it's outta control.

Love the variations of characters and the neat costume and personality changes with multiverse but Marvel has run this shit dry at least with me.

Plus I'm ballz deep in the dark tower universe which is multiverse as hell. I can only take so much (title of my sex tape)

 

[ManaByte]

I don't think they are in the comics.

They’re in the comics.

Time Variance Authority - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bojji]

Loki S1 was bad but S2 was the best Marvel thing in a long time.

Overall TVA stuff is stupid and fucks up (already fucked up) nonsensical storytelling even more.

 

[Lunarorbit]

They’re in the comics.

Time Variance Authority - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Good call. Old avengers comics from the 60s, Thor, and captain Britain. Never was into those so i had no idea

 

[ManaByte]

Good call. Old avengers comics from the 60s, Thor, and captain Britain. Never was into those so i had no idea

The TVA was introduced in 1986, not the 60s.

 

[Lunarorbit]

The TVA was introduced in 1986, not the 60s.

My bad
It was multiverse introduction in the 60s

 

[ManaByte]

and they’re not dropping that asinine shit any time soon.

They've announced the exact day the multiverse stuff ends. May 27, 2027 with the release of Secret Wars. So 2 1/2 years away.

The current MCU universe ends at the end of Doomsday. Like Thanos' Snap, but with EVERYTHING destroyed and not just 50% of the people dusting.

Then any movie released between Doomsday and Secret Wars is set on Battleworld (Spider-Man 4 is one).

After that people will throw fits when Marvel makes $3 billion dollars with a movie where Hugh Jackman and Tobey Maguire lead literally every Marvel character against RDJ's God Emperor Doom.

 

[LordCBH]

I couldn’t disagree more tbh. I adore the aesthetic they’re using for them too

 

[LordCBH]

a movie where Hugh Jackman and Tobey Maguire lead literally every Marvel character against RDJ's God Emperor Doom.

Inject it into my veins for the love of god.

 

[Kraz]

The visual profile of the minutemen is fairly generic, but suits their tropish role as fascist enforcers. Guards in Werewolf by Night serving a similar role and looking similar, like other shows. TVA detailing is very good, their own power set distinguishes.
Paradox representing the lazy, lying, cut corners, fascist sympathizer that was carried over from the original TVA unwilling workforce was a good take to flesh out and serve as antagonist.

I like the multiverse and think it's been handled fairly well in the few MCU shows it has featured significantly in. The legendary ending of Loki season 2 wouldn't have happened without it. Been some other great moments with it too. Lamentis was great. America and Strange falling through universes. Many seemed to like NWH.

For Deadpool it's made plain that it's using multiverse as a device to merge properties in a crowdpleaser movie of simple general themes. There's still Monica and America to resolve, too.

For alt realties the quantum realm didn't really work for a movie the way it was done. Maybe there could be more distinction between realms, dimensions and multiverse for clarity. It's unclear where Madisynn was("diff dimensh") or The Witches' Road. It could be interesting to see how pruning mortal timelines influences these places and the inhabitants to bring them into the shows.

 

[yet_another_alt]

After that people will throw fits when Marvel makes $3 billion dollars with a movie where Hugh Jackman and Tobey Maguire lead literally every Marvel character against RDJ's God Emperor Doom.

My new goal in life is to survive until I see this movie.

 

[DKehoe]

I haven't watched Loki. So I think Deadpool And Wolverine is the only thing I've seen them in. I thought the film sucked and the multiverse stuff is deeply played out at this point but I liked the aesthetic they have gone for with the TVA.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I feel incredibly bored whenever I see that a show has time travel or multiverses and not just in Marvel productions. It takes away any tension.

I generally agree but Dark Matter on Apple TV is amazing, and intense. It isn’t the silly “there’s a version of you that is actually a talking dog in another universe” thing, it’s more the “there’s are endless versions of you based on making different decisions throughout your life” thing.

And the way it handles someone sort of breaking the universe by traversing them is far more harrowing and interesting.

It’s far from perfect from a “does this make sense” perspective but what hard sci-fi is?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I really like magical bureaucracies so the TVA is right up my alley like for example the Federal Bureau of Control.

 

[Blade2.0]

Did you watch Loki for more context on them?
TVA is one of my favourite parts of post-endgame MCU.

I have seen both season of Loki. I just find the TVA really bland.

 

[Blade2.0]

Well, that’s not happening. The TVA stuff is bound right into the multiverse stuff, and they’re not dropping that asinine shit any time soon. Got to keep those alternate versions coming!

But they didn't need them in no way home or multiverse of madness. You can do multiverse variants without garbage TVA nonsense.

 

[GloveSlap]

Not a fan of it either. The anchor being concept was incredibly dumb as well.

 

[jason10mm]

My issue with the TVA is that they use it too much but don't really explore it enough.

The TVA either needs to be an incredibly deep, well thought out, high concept thing that is intricately plotted out by a very smart sci-fi team (which we all know ain't gonna happen) OR it needs to be a little punchline for whenever a character is recast "hey there T'Challa, you looking a little taller today", "Yeah, well, TVA you know?" or there is a plot that doesn't line up with "the big story" but still gets a movie or TV show "wasn't Wanda fighting to save humans like last week? "Yeah, well, TVA you know?".

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Marvel overusing the TVA as a means to carry-on with their money grab bullshit isn't surprising. Time Travel is one of the most overused plot devices when the creatives are Creatively Bankrupt. Of course this is IMOHO...

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

Watch Loki and you will love it.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

They could have made it work if their moto was to influence the timelines as little as possible while still respecting whatever struggles people had gone through. Not having a random desk drawer be full of infinity stones and joking about their uselessness.

I stopped to care about the MCU after Endgame, which is a shame since I really enjoyed the ramp up to Endgame. Mostly.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Never cared about the TVA only cared about Loki, I don’t give a hoot about an alternate timeline, it’s about the super heroes.

 

[Branded]

Watch Loki and you will love it.

Isn't Loki that show where he isn't the main character and gets girl bossed around pretty much all the time and is even gender swapped at some point or nah?

 

[Dural]

Agreed. Watched Loki S1 and didn't like it so didn't watch S2. The TVA in Deadpool and Wolverine ruined the movie for me.

They could have made it work if their moto was to influence the timelines as little as possible while still respecting whatever struggles people had gone through. Not having a random desk drawer be full of infinity stones and joking about their uselessness.

I stopped to care about the MCU after Endgame, which is a shame since I really enjoyed the ramp up to Endgame. Mostly.

Yep, complete nonsense. Scenes like that just piss me off, I really didn't care to watch after that.

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

Isn't Loki that show where he isn't the main character and gets girl bossed around pretty much all the time and is even gender swapped at some point or nah?

But you are ok now?

 

[Ulysses 31]

Isn't Loki that show where he isn't the main character and gets girl bossed around pretty much all the time and is even gender swapped at some point or nah?

He even gets repeatedly hit in the nuts.

 

[ManaByte]

Isn't Loki that show where he isn't the main character and gets girl bossed around pretty much all the time and is even gender swapped at some point or nah?

You mean the show where Loki literally becomes the God of Stories and is the center of Yggdrasil?

 

[Branded]

You mean the show where Loki literally becomes the God of Stories and is the center of Yggdrasil?

And then you clapped like a seal?

 

[Shubh_C63]

They NEED to set up some rules for multiverse, some stakes.

Like you can only travel once. or always forward if you step into the machine.
Or any changes with time NEEDS to come full circle and you have to face the repercussions of your old timeline but forward intertwined in the overall story.

Otherwise it just lame and devoid of tension.

 

[Doom85]

And then you clapped like a seal?

Maybe Mana did clap. Get the fuck over it.

Also, LOL at “girl-bossed”. The first season flat out has the female Loki variant (who is not the main character Loki) make a choice that fucks everything up while the female boss of the organization turns out to be a lying piece of shit, meanwhile Loki and Mobius (Owen Wilson) due their best to keep everything from falling apart. Maybe actually watch a show before you just throw out meaningless buzz words with zero clue if they’re even applicable.

 

[ManaByte]

They NEED to set up some rules for multiverse, some stakes.

Like you can only travel once. or always forward if you step into the machine.
Or any changes with time NEEDS to come full circle and you have to face the repercussions of your old timeline but forward intertwined in the overall story.

Otherwise it just lame and devoid of tension.

They did. The people complaining about it ignore them though. If someone goes to universe where they don’t belong and does enough disruption it causes an Incursion that destroys that universe.

So Monica, Hugh Jackman Wolverine, and X23 being in the Deadpool Fox universe are going to cause it to be destroyed.

 

[Doom85]

So Monica, Hugh Jackman Wolverine, and X23 being in the Deadpool Fox universe are going to cause it to be destroyed.

That’s not what the Deadpool and Wolverine film said though. Hunter says their actions reversed the decaying of their universe. She also is the one who retrieves the surviving Resistance members from The Void due to Wade’s request, so if she allowed Laura to be in Wade’s universe then she must know it won’t be an issue (I mean, she flat out knows this new Wolverine is outside his universe but she didn’t force him back to his original one, she only tried to force Wade out at first due to assuming he was a Variant but then when she saw the universe decay was reversing she shows no intent in sending either Wade or Logan away). Monica is the only unknown but we don’t even know where that story is headed, it’s presumptuous to assume she’ll even be there that longer as opposed to swiftly being sent back to the Sacred Timeline.

So unless you think Hunter just forgot how all this works, presumably either that rule was never as definitive as we thought (makes sense given how much the TVA was being misled about a bunch of things), or the Time Ripper being destroyed in that universe caused an effect that allows this particular universe to host Variants with no issue.

 

[ManaByte]

Hunter says their actions reversed the decaying of their universe.

The TVA doesn’t know about incursions yet.

 

[Doom85]

The TVA doesn’t know about incursions yet.

Okay, I forgot about that (although every instance we’ve seen has been due to Dreamwalking specifically), however Clea said that Strange could potentially fix an incursion, so we can’t write off Wade’s universe just yet (and yes, I’m aware people “know” Secret Wars will end the multiverse, but I’m skeptical at this point in blindly believing something not even confirmed officially considering people also “knew” Flash 2023 would reboot to the new DC movie verse when it in fact didn’t at the end and Blue Beetle and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom were still set in the DCEU as the actual final films).

 

[Hrk69]

A mixed bag for me

If everything was already planned, do the choices actually matter?

 

[DeafTourette]

Isn't Loki that show where he isn't the main character and gets girl bossed around pretty much all the time and is even gender swapped at some point or nah?

No.

 

[ManaByte]

Okay, I forgot about that (although every instance we’ve seen has been due to Dreamwalking specifically), however Clea said that Strange could potentially fix an incursion, so we can’t write off Wade’s universe just yet (and yes, I’m aware people “know” Secret Wars will end the multiverse, but I’m skeptical at this point in blindly believing something not even confirmed officially considering people also “knew” Flash 2023 would reboot to the new DC movie verse when it in fact didn’t at the end and Blue Beetle and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom were still set in the DCEU as the actual final films).

It’s been officially confirmed they changed The Flash three times and before the Clooney ending, it DID reboot everything so that Affleck was gone and Keaton was Batman. That’s why Keaton was in Batgirl.