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Media Create 18 - 24 Dec
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sixteen-bit
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joetachi said:
PSP should stand for poor sales performance.
Wyndstryker
Member
We really need to stop the whole non-game thing.
I mean, if this was back in the Gameboy era, we'd probably hear people call Tetris a non-game.
If Wii Sports is a non-game, then bowling, baseball, golf, boxing, and tennis aren't games either.
I mean, if this was back in the Gameboy era, we'd probably hear people call Tetris a non-game.
If Wii Sports is a non-game, then bowling, baseball, golf, boxing, and tennis aren't games either.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
It would be pretty time-consuming if you wanted them looking really nice and having things like immoveable names, but I've done similar things before with my online-generated graphs. Use a simple spreadsheet command or something to generate the image URLs for a given week, make sure they're set on the mode where image size doesn't vary with total units, save them, load them into an animation program, save. Actually being able to make such animations was one of the original things I wanted to do, though I've ended up not doing that much.bmf said:
Hmm... if I find some PHP way to turn separate GIFs into animated GIFs, it could be made REALLY easy and quite versatile.
EDIT: A quick Google search turned up something that seems just like what I was looking for. I'll play around with it a bit, maybe see if there are other possibilities that differ greatly in file size generated and whatnot. At first glance, though, this seems like it will be cake.
NintendosBooger
Member
duckroll said:
Interactive movies = real games
AndoCalrissian
Member
I thought DQM:J did like ~500,000, right?
AndoCalrissian
Member
So how much did DQM:J sell in the first week, or are we not sure yet?BlindN-Fan said:
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
duckroll said:
Wait, what if they have a symphony in the background but no chorus? Symphonies count right? Right?
AndoCalrissian
Member
The 1,449 number doesn't mean 1,449,000 does it? It's from one chain or something? It can't possibly mean that, right?
NintendosBooger
Member
AndoCalrissian said:
It doesn't. How many of these copies do you think they actually shipped? Some of you guys are setting yourselves up for disappointment.
AndoCalrissian
Member
Well no, someone said earlier in the thread that 825k was possibly the initial shipment. There just wan't a good explanation of these other numbers. Are they just for one chain or location, or what?NintendosBooger said:
EDIT: I'm not setting myself up for anything, I'm trying to figure out what's going on.
AndoCalrissian
Member
I'm not trying to make it true, I'm trying to figure out what those numbers are for.Snaku said:
Aaron Strife
Banned
I said wow.
HOW DOES THIS GAME KEEP SELLING!? (nothing against the game, but how do you manage to keep a game on here for so long!?)
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Aaron Strife said:
Well right now it's reasonable cause the movie just came out. Of course it was still selling before that. I say gnomes.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I've gone about as far as I will this night, so I'll update on my animated GIF progress.
Usually I have my still image charts output as PNG images. Since the class I found sucks GIFs in and spits animated GIFs out, that was one change I had to make. Also they usually vary in size from week to week, as I like for it to be obvious when certain weeks have large sales. These changes put in place, the most recent week looks like
Which doesn't seem any different from the PNG version. However, it seems some colors dither, as can be seen in this image showing a week from two years ago; the old model DS is all speckly. I know GIF is low-color by nature, but I thought with a set palette and a low color image overall it would look fine... wonder if I can fix that. (Ahh, I see the problem is that it's making 15-color GIFs currently. To be looked into.)
Anyway, that being done I then modified the sample PHP file included with the class to instead take as its input "http://joshuajamesslone.name/gamecharting/test11constantgifytd.php?date1=2004-11-29", "http://joshuajamesslone.name/gamecharting/test11constantgifytd.php?date1=2004-12-06", and so on. So not completely dynamic yet, but enough to know that once I automate the dates it uses, it will be able to use the files correctly. It does work. Here are the first 17 weeks after DS's release, keeping track of totals since that week.
Limiting it to certain systems and displaying different periods of time to show relative market share change should be doable enough from here.
It does make for a pretty large file, though. If I were to have the above image go from DS launch to present it would be about a megabyte in size. Oh well; image and file size concerns come later.
Usually I have my still image charts output as PNG images. Since the class I found sucks GIFs in and spits animated GIFs out, that was one change I had to make. Also they usually vary in size from week to week, as I like for it to be obvious when certain weeks have large sales. These changes put in place, the most recent week looks like
Which doesn't seem any different from the PNG version. However, it seems some colors dither, as can be seen in this image showing a week from two years ago; the old model DS is all speckly. I know GIF is low-color by nature, but I thought with a set palette and a low color image overall it would look fine... wonder if I can fix that. (Ahh, I see the problem is that it's making 15-color GIFs currently. To be looked into.)
Anyway, that being done I then modified the sample PHP file included with the class to instead take as its input "http://joshuajamesslone.name/gamecharting/test11constantgifytd.php?date1=2004-11-29", "http://joshuajamesslone.name/gamecharting/test11constantgifytd.php?date1=2004-12-06", and so on. So not completely dynamic yet, but enough to know that once I automate the dates it uses, it will be able to use the files correctly. It does work. Here are the first 17 weeks after DS's release, keeping track of totals since that week.
Limiting it to certain systems and displaying different periods of time to show relative market share change should be doable enough from here.
It does make for a pretty large file, though. If I were to have the above image go from DS launch to present it would be about a megabyte in size. Oh well; image and file size concerns come later.
My god, it's like everyone forgot how Square's estimates are never near 100%.
Why would the first Ryu Ga Gotoku be back in the top 10 and Pokemon drop out of it?
Why would the first Ryu Ga Gotoku be back in the top 10 and Pokemon drop out of it?
We usually don't find out until Tuesday or Wednesday, the week ended yesterday so it would've been hard to give us the estimate for the whole week on Friday.AndoCalrissian said:
the thoroughbred
Member
I thought Japan celebrates the new year, not Christmas. So all sales should be up in the next media-create. Including Animal Crossing, kirby, NSMB, Pokemans, etc etc. Maybe even Zelda. I know for me, Zelda was the most magical part of my Christmas. I still haven't completed it.
jj984jj said:
Not to mention the fact that he didn't even "estimate" this week. That's the raw sales from the Comgnet chain. There's no multiplication factor being applied. For some reason, a lot of people decided to ignore the discussion of those numbers from past weeks and just be plain ignorant about those numbers this time around.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Yamauchi said:
Yes I'm incredibly tired of the phrase "non-game".
Wyndstryker
Member
DQIX = Heavens will print money for nintendo as the earth can't keep up.
It's a really really tiny sample, taken from a small chain of Japanese stores. Look through the archives for other COMGNET-related threads. In the past these numbers were used to estimate the total sales for certain titles in a given week, but the resulting estmates are necessarily less than precise.AndoCalrissian said:
Smiles and Cries
Member
what did Joker sell? Huh what?
JoshuaJSlone
Member
That may be the case, but they must not put off their purchasing until the last minute. Historically going from this week to the next sales are generally down. Where supply is an issue this may differ; if those numbers Square posted are actually indicative of things at large it seems Wii games held up better than most games.the thoroughbred said:
JoshuaJSlone
Member
OK, so the animation stuff goes well. Here's a good animation of the type bmf requested, showing DS and PSP totals/shares on an animated pie since their launch.
I did make it simple enough to change some options. Date1 is the date from which it sums, Date2 is the first week to show, Date3 is the last week to show. So it would be possible to make an animation of just the totals from a specific year, or to show the last 10 weeks while keeping the totals correct. However, for now I'm just saving this as a GIF and pointing to that. As I currently don't have it caching in any way, any call to it is a slow and costly pain as it generates so many still images to combine into an animation. By testing with an offline GIF program's optimization feature I see the animation could potentially be smaller, but it was slow as hell and I'm not sure if there'd be any way to duplicate that online. All things considered, though, I don't suppose 360K is bad for two years worth of animation.
EDIT: And now my less-fancy-than-Panther-Lotus version of the nextnewgen chart.
I did make it simple enough to change some options. Date1 is the date from which it sums, Date2 is the first week to show, Date3 is the last week to show. So it would be possible to make an animation of just the totals from a specific year, or to show the last 10 weeks while keeping the totals correct. However, for now I'm just saving this as a GIF and pointing to that. As I currently don't have it caching in any way, any call to it is a slow and costly pain as it generates so many still images to combine into an animation. By testing with an offline GIF program's optimization feature I see the animation could potentially be smaller, but it was slow as hell and I'm not sure if there'd be any way to duplicate that online. All things considered, though, I don't suppose 360K is bad for two years worth of animation.
EDIT: And now my less-fancy-than-Panther-Lotus version of the nextnewgen chart.
kisakiproject
Member
Yamauchi said:
Sports games are non-games. Damn that EA non-game fad. Zelda+ Wario have legs. Nice.
Great Rumbler
Member
JoshuaJSlone said:OK, so the animation stuff goes well. Here's a good animation of the type bmf requested, showing DS and PSP totals/shares on an animated pie since their launch.
Pac-Man's mouth is slowly closing...
JoshuaJSlone
Member
So because I really prefer pies that grow to better display how the total is changing, I made those variants too. The only negative is that it just uses an arbitrary scale to make it fit well, so whenever the pie grows too big I'll have to modify a variable to uniformly shrink the images. But unless I can know exactly where the totals will end up, that's the best solution.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Thank you very much Mr. Slone. These animations are made of pure awesome.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Good work on your charts Joshua. Some design choices I might not have made, but I know that you're dealing with a lot of older data and that should be commended.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
So, what about the software's numbers of the last week of 2006 ?
NintendosBooger
Member
6-7 hours.
NintendosBooger
Member
6-7 days.
Smiles and Cries
Member
starship said:
whaaaaaaaat?!
My week is ruined
Magicpaint
Member
Smiles and Cries said:
We might get it tomorrow actually. Last year's (Dec 26 - Jan 1) showed up on the 6th despite claims that it won't because of the holidays too.