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[RpgN]

P&L?

Profit and Loss statement, ie how revenue is turned into income. It is shown to higher ups in how their investment has turned out= profit or loss.

It is indeed (probably anyway) that FFCC EOT has made enough profit for SE but not retailers. It might hurt SE on their next games, retailers won't ask for a huge shipment which is not good for public awareness. Hopefully it won't get this serious and retailers see that more as a mistep.

 

[Spiegel]

It's the 7th best start for a Tales game on a system since the PS2 and 10th overall.

TotW:RM2 has had a better first week than the mainline Tales of Symphonia on GC. With legs it doesn't seem impossible that it can outsell its LTD sales (311k)

For a spinoff, selling like this when the Tales games are so low in popularity in Japan is pretty crazy. Too bad I don't like the Tales saga.

Namco Bandai is going to have a good quarter on psp: Tales + Idolmaster + Gundam

Also I hope this week finally ends all the stupid comments last few weeks using first day shipments to measure absolute success and/or publisher expectations. TOW got a 2nd shipment in less than 4 days, WE2009 is about total sold out on both PSP and PS2 if they didn't get one (which I'm sure they did though) and SE overshipped FFCC bigtime burning their and retailer hands in the process.


Oh and PSP users have a crush on Alfa System definitely :/

Agreed

 

[RpgN]

TotW:RM2 has had a better first week than the mainline Tales of Symphonia on GC. With legs it doesn't seem impossible that it can outsell its LTD sales (311k)

For a spinoff, selling like this when the Tales games are so low in popularity in Japan is pretty crazy.

Too bad I don't like the Tales saga.

Don't get cocky now. It's still about 100k difference to reach that ToS figure. Let's just wait and see how this pans out. I agree that it has been a very good performance and definitely for a non main Tales. Namco has been working so hard in building a Tales audience on the ds, I think it's time for them to make a main Tales on the psp. Though they could also release more ports since they're doing good enough.

 

[Spiegel]

Don't get cocky now. It's still about 100k difference to reach that ToS figure. Let's just wait and see how this pans out. I agree that it has been a very good performance and definitely for a non main Tales. Namco has been working so hard in building a Tales audience on the ds, I think it's time for them to make a main Tales on the psp. Though they could also release more ports since they're doing good enough.

TotW2 selling 100k more copies after a first week of 210k is not too hard to believe. The game had strong legs after the first day (135k) unlike Tales of Hearts (122k first day/141k first week) or TOS: DotnW (122k first day/151k first week)

 

[RpgN]

TotW2 selling 100k more copies after a first week of 210k is not too hard to believe. The game had strong legs after the first day (135k) unlike Tales of Hearts (122k first day/141k first week) or TOS: DotnW (122k first day/151k first week)

That's true, but it's been a while since we've had one over 300k. I'm just being a little cautious for now.

 

[Captain Smoker]

June 2002 - Top50 Software:
01. PS2 - World Soccer Winning Eleven 6 - 289.699 [974.605]
02. PSX - Dragon Quest Monsters 1+2 - 224.701 [224.701]
03. GBA - Tottoko Hamtaro 3: Love Love Daiboken Dechu - 158.664 [158.664]
04. PS2 - .hack//Infection Part 1 - 132.349 [132.349]
05. PSX - Shaman King: Spirit of Shamans - 123.706 [123.706]
06. PS2 - PoPoLoCrois: Hajimari no Bouken - 115.477 [115.477]
07. GBA - Golden Sun: The Lost Age - 96.318 [96.318]
08. PS2 - Project FIFA: World Cup - 88.837 [88.837]
09. PS2 - Kengo: Legacy of the Blade - 70.716 [70.716]
10. GB - From TV Animation- One Piece: Maboroshi no Grand Line Boukenki! - 67.119 [67.119]
11. PS2 - 2002 FIFA World Cup - 58.811 [124.339]
12. PS2 - Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side - 49.001 [49.001]
13. PSX - Hikaru no Go: Heian Gensou Ibunroku - 46.234 [46.234]
14. PS2 - Kingdom Hearts - 38.946 [787.513]
15. PSX - World Soccer Winning Eleven 2002 - 38.141 [97.776]
16. PS2 - Judie no Atelier: Guramnat no Renkinjutsu - 38.007 [38.007]
17. PS2 - World Fantasista - 37.619 [37.619]
18. GBA - Mega Man Battle Network 2 - 36.911 [346.173]
19. PS2 - Final Fantasy XI - 33.958 [108.463]
20. PS2 - Gun Survivor 3: Dino Crisis - 32.828 [32.828]
21. PS2 - Kidou Senshi Gundam Giren no Yabou: Zeon Dokuritsu Sensouden - 32.052 [333.162]
22. PSX - One Piece Grand Battle 2 - 28.758 [500.480]
23. GBA - Mega Man Zero - 28.744 [177.258]
24. GBA - Fire Emblem: Fuuin no Tsurugi - 26.974 [294.868]
25. PS2 - Netsu Chu! Pro Yakyuu 2002 - 25.305 [211.477]
26. GBA - Tennis no Oji-Sama: Genius Boys Academy - 25.203 [197.767]
27. PSX - Captain Tsubasa: Aratanaru Densetsu Joshou - 25.171 [62.338]
28. GBA - Super Mario Advance 2 - 23.425 [727.067]
29. PSX - Pop'n Music 6 - 23.193 [23.193]
30. PS2 - Soccer Tsuku 2002 - 23.181 [510.557]
31. GCN - Animal Crossing - 22.612 [502.170]
32. PS2 - Shikigami no Shiro - 22.319 [22.319]
33. PS2 - Hajime no Ippo: Victorious Boxers - Championship Edition - 22.198 [22.198]
34. PS2 - Natsuiro no Sunadokei - 22.110 [22.110]
35. PS2 - Konohana 2 - 21.949 [21.949]
36. PS2 - F1 2002 - 20.850 [20.850]
37. GBA - Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance - 20.400 [20.400]
38. GCN - Crazy Taxi - 19.644 [19.644]
39. GBA - Power Pro Kun Pocket 4 - 19.546 [210.934]
40. GB - Pokémon Crystal - 16.980 [1.754.699]
41. PSX - Pachi-Slot Teiou: Golgo 13 Las Vegas - 16.566 [16.566]
42. PS2 - Disaster Report - 16.549 [136.125]
43. GCN - Super Smash Bros. Melee - 16.318 [1.118.500]
44. PS2 - Houshinengi 2 - 16.044 [16.044]
45. PS2 - Dramatic Soccer Game: Nippon Daihyou Senshu Ninarou! - 15.937 [33.276]
46. GCN - Resident Evil - 14.619 [211.884]
47. PS2 - Jikkyou World Soccer 2002 - 13.830 [22.468]
48. PS2 - Super Robot Taisen Impact - 13.718 [625.364]
49. PS2 - Roommate Asami: Okusama wa Joshikousei - 13.357 [13.357]
50. PS2 - Nobunaga no Yabou: Ranseiki - 12.528 [119.346]

 

[ccbfan]

TotW2 selling 100k more copies after a first week of 210k is not too hard to believe. The game had strong legs after the first day (135k) unlike Tales of Hearts (122k first day/141k first week) or TOS: DotnW (122k first day/151k first week)

LOL trying to post in support of the PSP. This is a media create topic. That is not allowed.

People should be already thinking up of excuses to belittle this accomplishment.

I'll start with some.

1. TotW2 should have sold a lot more since there are characters from all the tales game. This is actually a major bomb since the sales is a lot lower than the summation of the sales of all the tales games included in TotW2.

2. The only reason TotW2 sold so much is because there was already a bunch of ports released on the system. Please ignore the fact that the first tales port released on the PSP is still the best selling tales game this gen. Thats just an anomaly.

3. There is a number 2 in TotW2 so it should have sold twice as much as the other tales game. I mean if this was on the Wii it would have sold 302K first week.

4. It was a fluke. 99 percent of PSP games bomb. This was just a rare occurance that will never happen again.

5. The development cost and advertising much have been crazy high. I bet Namco lost money of this. Unlike Wii games were development cost are so low that third party companies actually earn money whiling developing so any copies the game sells is just gravy.

6. It didn't even double FFCC EoT. Which is some no name franchise from some no name developer. Not like that other failure on the PSP, the mega popular franchise, Zill'O.

 

[AranhaHunter]

PSP is due for a mainline Tales game and the PS3 is due for a Tales game, spinoff or main entry.

 

[schuelma]

LOL trying to post in support of the PSP. This is a media create topic. That is not allowed.

People should be already thinking up of excuses to belittle this accomplishment.

I love when people resort to outright making shit up in order to start a fight. I haven't seen one post belittling ToW2's start. Not one.

 

[Captain Smoker]

July 2002 - Top50 Software:
01. GCN - Super Mario Sunshine - 383.186 [383.186]
02. PS2 - Suikoden III - 282.274 [282.274]
03. PS2 - Kamaitachi no Yoru 2 - 262.569 [262.569]
04. PS2 - Boku no Natsuyasumi 2 - 237.469 [237.469]
05. PS2 - Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 9 - 214.315 [214.315]
06. GBA - Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters 7: Kettou Toshi Densetsu - 171.921 [171.921]
07. PS2 - Ape Escape 2 - 118.503 [118.503]
08. PS2 - Jissen Pachi-Slot Hisshouhou! Aladdin A - 101.761 [101.761]
09. PS2 - Jojo no Kimyouna Bouken: Ougon no Kaze - 97.744 [97.744]
10. GBA - Golden Sun: The Lost Age - 84.169 [180.487]
11. PS2 - World Soccer Winning Eleven 6 - 72.695 [1.047.300]
12. PS2 - Kengo: Legacy of the Blade - 70.334 [141.050]
13. PSX - Digimon World 3 - 58.885 [58.885]
14. GB - From TV Animation- One Piece: Maboroshi no Grand Line Boukenki! - 52.718 [119.837]
15. PS2 - Gungrave - 50.572 [50.572]
16. GBA - Hikaru no Go 2 - 49.593 [49.593]
17. PS2 - .hack//Infection Part 1 - 47.199 [179.548]
18. PS2 - Yamasa Digi World 3 - 46.928 [46.928]
19. PS2 - Hajime no Ippo: Victorious Boxers - Championship Edition - 46.783 [68.981]
20. GCN - Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 9 - 46.292 [46.292]
21. WS - One Piece Grand Battle: Swan Colosseum - 37.702 [37.702]
22. GBA - Custom Robo GX - 37.449 [37.449]
23. GBA - Tottoko Hamtaro 3: Love Love Daiboken Dechu - 37.163 [195.827]
24. GBA - Crash Bandicoot: The Huge Adventure - 33.529 [33.529]
25. XBX - Murakumo - 31.579 [31.579]
26. PSX - Dragon Quest Monsters 1+2 - 29.042 [253.743]
27. PS2 - Gun Survivor 3: Dino Crisis - 28.777 [61.605]
28. GBA - Medarot G: Kabuto/Kuwagata Version - 28.770 [28.770]
29. PS2 - Riding Spirits - 28.744 [28.744]
30. PS2 - BeatMania IIDX 6th Style - 27.127 [27.127]
31. PS2 - PoPoLoCrois: Hajimari no Bouken - 25.243 [140.720]
32. PS2 - Aero Elite: Combat Academy - 24.864 [24.864]
33. PS2 - Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side - 24.765 [73.766]
34. GBA - Mega Man Battle Network 2 - 22.953 [369.126]
35. GBA - Shaman King: Master of Spirits - 20.545 [20.545]
36. WS - Arc the Lad - 20.401 [20.401]
37. PSX - Shaman King: Spirit of Shamans - 19.889 [143.595]
38. PS2 - Judie no Atelier: Guramnat no Renkinjutsu - 19.620 [57.627]
39. PSX - Boku no Natsuyasumi (PlayStation the Best) - 18.480 [101.891]
40. PS2 - Kingdom Hearts - 17.926 [805.439]
41. GBA - Beyblade: Ikuze! Gekitou! Chou Jiryoku Battle!! - 17.433 [26.326]
42. GBA - Super Mario Advance 2 - 16.545 [743.612]
43. GBA - Fire Emblem: Fuuin no Tsurugi - 16.018 [310.886]
44. PSX - One Piece Grand Battle 2 - 15.774 [516.254]
45. GCN - Bomberman Generation - 15.429 [26.258]
46. GCN - Animal Crossing - 15.413 [517.583]
47. GBA - Mega Man Zero - 15.082 [192.340]
48. GCN - Capcom vs. SNK 2 EO: Millionaire Fighting 2001 - 14.663 [14.663]
49. GBA - Sakura Momoko no UkiUki Carnival - 14.491 [14.491]
50. PS2 - Hot Shots Golf 3 (Mega Hits) - 13.889 [13.889]

 

[Jokeropia]

LOL trying to post in support of the PSP. This is a media create topic. That is not allowed.

Uh, Media Create topics are the one type of sales thread where posting in support of the PSP is viable. The statement would've made more sense if you replaced "media create topic" with simply "sales thread". It would still be a dumb flamebait attempt, but it'd at least be less nonsensical.

 

[Stumpokapow]

LOL trying to post in support of the PSP. This is a media create topic. That is not allowed.

when was the last time you posted that you wrote something other than trolling people you believe are trolling the psp?

P&L?

profit and loss--the guys who budget games, work out how many units need to be sold, make the greenlight/redlight case studies that are presented to whoever in the company actually has the final say in the matter, etc.

depending on the company they might share internal p&ls with lage buyers in their pitch to them.

 

[ccbfan]

I love when people resort to outright making shit up in order to start a fight. I haven't seen one post belittling ToW2's start. Not one.

Its called an exaggeration of the typical tendency for this topic to undermine the accomplishments of the PSP.

Only in extreme over performances like ToW2's start or P*P start would the people in this topic ever agree that the PSP is a good system to develop for.

Yet there are many other performances that people tend to ignore.

One example is this week

PES 2009 PSP 102k

This is actually pretty amazing. Matching the PS2 version. Few in this topic would ever consider this good though.

Now if the Wii version sold that much first week this topic would be all like OMG. People here would be jizzing over it.

PSP having been having a lot of these performance lately that goes completely ignored. One was Zill'O last week but then people here seemed to be more impressed with Fragile's performance than Zill'Os.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Its called an exaggeration of the typical tendency for this topic to undermine the accomplishments of the PSP.

Only in extreme over performances like ToW2's start or P*P start would the people in this topic ever agree that the PSP is a good system to develop for.

Yet there are many other performances that people tend to ignore.

One example is this week

PES 2009 PSP 102k

This is actually pretty amazing. Matching the PS2 version. Few in this topic would ever consider this good though.

Now if the Wii version sold that much first week this topic would be all like. People here would be jizzing over it.

PSP having been having a lot of these performance lately that goes completely ignored. One was Zill'O last week but then people here seemed to be more impressed with Fragile's performance than Zill'Os.

This post is so 2006....

 

[donny2112]

Looking at the number of "Tales of *" games excluding (BEST) re-releases on each system in my database.

PS2 - 8
PSP - 5 (now 6)
GBA - 4
PS1 - 4
NDS - 3
360 - 1
GBOY - 1
GCN - 1
SFC - 1
WII - 1

The apparent fact that the PSP has had 6 "Tales of" releases without having gotten a mainline release is surprising.

Edit:

This post is so 2006....

In 2006, the PS2 game started out > 600K, and the seven month later PSP release was > 25K.

 

[markatisu]

PES 2009 PSP 102k

This is actually pretty amazing. Matching the PS2 version. Few in this topic would ever consider this good though.

Now if the Wii version sold that much first week this topic would be all like OMG. People here would be jizzing over it.

Well would that not be an accomplishment for the Wii?

PSP having been having a lot of these performance lately that goes completely ignored. One was Zill'O last week but then people here seemed to be more impressed with Fragile's performance than Zill'Os.

I would not say anybody here was impressed with Fragile, more so trying to figure out what it exactly meant in terms of success. Some people had low expectations, some people high but I doubt anyone here was impressed.

Same goes for FFCC EoT, I think just about every single person in this thread was relieved when the Wii version super bombed as it was a stupid concept. I think most were surprised by the decrease from RoF to EoT on the DS but not shocked given the negative word of mouth and obvious inability of Square-Enix to remedy any of the problems found in RoF (instead introduce new ones like laggy online play)

 

[Stumpokapow]

Its called an exaggeration of the typical tendency for this topic to undermine the accomplishments of the PSP.

here's your entire post history in image form:

no need for thanks, you can keep the change

 

[Loudninja]

So what happen to Ninja Blade?

 

[ccbfan]

here's your entire post history in image form:

no need for thanks, you can keep the change

LOL so a few post supporting the PSP leads to this?. WOW. Maybe I might not have been exaggerating as much as I thought. Sorry guys for underestimating you.

 

[Spiegel]

To be fair something of what ccbfan is saying is true, I think a psp game has to sell amazingly well to have some recognition here.

My impression is that the standards are lower for any other console. But I can be wrong

 

[cvxfreak]

LOL so a few post supporting the PSP leads to this?. WOW. Maybe I might not have been exaggerating as much as I thought. Sorry guys for underestimating you.

A few?

To be fair something of what ccbfan is saying is true, I think a psp game has to sell amazingly well to have some recognition here.

My impression is that the standards are lower for any other console. But I can be wrong

Determining a success takes a lot of factors, and the PSP nor Wii are any exceptions.

 

[Liabe Brave]

PS3: +20%
Wii: +42%
But why would Wii have such a higher "hidden" third party sales percentage than PS3?

More consumers, more games released. These "hidden" numbers are pretty much the low, maintenance-level sales that games see from browser shopping. There are more Wii owners so there's always a larger contingent in the market for a game, and there are more titles for them to choose from. I would be shocked if Wii wasn't higher.

It's just barely possible that we're seeing a new-demographic effect here, too. I think we all agree that a larger segment of the PS3 audience embraces the traditional gamer buying habits: go now, get it first. With less week-one rush, Wii's visible sales are proportionally lower. . .but the total demand is similar, so "hidden" sales are higher.

 

[Drkirby]

I don't deny the PSP doing good in Japan, but what I don't like is how few of the games being made are coming over. Or at least it seems like it to me.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

My impression is that the standards are lower for any other console. But I can be wrong

Well, it has been out significantly longer and has a significantly higher userbase than any currently relevant systems that aren't DS or PS2.

 

[HeadsUpSevenUp]

Why didn't the first Rhythm Tengoku sell as well as this one?

 

[Jaruru]

Why didn't the first Rhythm Tengoku sell as well as this one?

the first Rhythm Tengoku was a GBA game in the late life of GBA. (I know, DS plays GBA, but still...)

plus, Nintendo didn't promote the first title as the DS one.

 

[Spiegel]

Well, it has been out significantly longer and has a significantly higher userbase than any currently relevant systems that aren't DS or PS2.

I know but I don't think that explains the absurdly high standards compared with any other console. It seems like there is a lot more enthusiasm when x game passes some low Y mark on any other console compared with the enthusiasm (if any) of x game passing some low Y mark on psp

I suppose that could be explained with the amount of psp users on these threads.

 

[cw_sasuke]

I know but I don't think that explains the absurdly high standards compared with any other console. It seems like there is a lot more enthusiasm when x game passes some low Y mark on any other console compared with the enthusiasm (if any) of x game passing some low Y mark on psp

I suppose that could be explained with the amount of psp users on these threads.

Maybe it`s because PSP Softwaresales in western-markets are non-existant ? i mean if a 360 or wii games diesn`t sell that well in japan, there is still a chance that those games will sell way more in us/europe...

Still, i`m very happy with the psp performance since i own one and there are many big japanese 3rd party games coming ( kingdom hearts, dissidia,agito, parasoite eve, ushiro, disgaea2, brandish etc. )

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Geez, talk about an overreaction.

Most of the posts here on the PSP and Radiant Mythology just mentioned that the sales indicate that the PSP's fanbase has a lot of tales games and that it makes the platform a viable place for a mainline tales game by one of the Tales Studios.

I made my opinion known that I love both Handheld Consoles, and that I loved Tales of Innocence, Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology and Tales of Hearts. I mentioned it before that after playing Radiant Mythology 1 that I thought that a full fledged tales game with a large budget would be great on the PSP. Nothing would make me happier than seeing a portable tales game on the level of Tales of the Abyss or Tales of Symphonia (in terms of production values).

 

[Spiegel]

Maybe it`s because PSP Softwaresales in western-markets are non-existant ? i mean if a 360 or wii games diesn`t sell that well in japan, there is still a chance that those games will sell way more in us/europe...

I don't think so. Western sales should have nothing to do with the enthusiasm caused by a game passing X low mark in Japan in a Media Create thread.

Also, western sales are overrated in this case. I don't see the prove of japanese psp games-like selling much more on any other console outside of Japan right now when the kind of psp games being released are: japan centric games, niche games, big name games and pes games.

All of those do comparable numbers in western markets on other consoles.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I don't think so. Western sales should have nothing to do with the enthusiasm caused by a game passing X low mark in Japan in a Media Create thread.

Also, western sales are overrated in this case. I don't see the prove of japanese psp games-like selling much more on any other console outside of Japan right now when the kind of psp games being released are: japan centric games, niche games, big name games and pes games.

All of those do comparable numbers in western markets on other consoles.

The PSP is turning into the saturn.

By that I mean localization for many Japan-centric games will decrease to none, and many amazing experiences will be limited to Japan. To get the most out of the Saturn meant that you had to A) Learn Japanese and B) Import games from Japan.

I have a feeling that there will be many amazing PSP games released that will not see the light of day in North America.

 

[Brak]

LOL so a few post supporting the PSP leads to this?. WOW. Maybe I might not have been exaggerating as much as I thought. Sorry guys for underestimating you.

No one here is belittling the PSP. You, on the other hand are acting like a jackass and are getting called out accordingly.

Go have your fanboy wars somewhere else.

 

[Spiegel]

I have a feeling that there will be many amazing PSP games released that will not see the light of day in North America.

Thank god we have Atlus USA


EDIT

Also, I don't want to start anything I said it was my impression and I can be wrong.

 

[Die Squirrel Die]

Every console has its share of apologist and spinners, the perception of a particular group for/against a console says more about the person doing the perceiving than any consensual conspiracy.

And if there is any consensus in this thread, it's that NamcoBandia should be doing a full Tales of game on the PSP. How exactly that constistutes people downplaying the PSP, I don't know.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

I'm getting sick of the Wii/PSP "discussions" in every bloody MC thread.

Wii fans downplaying the sales successes of the PSP (not this time, but on other occasions) should reflect on the fact that many third party games on the system are performing well and that it could be argued to be a better proposition for third parties than the Wii is right now.

PSP fans sneering at the Wii's third party sales should reflect on the fact that it wasn't that long ago that the PSP was seen as just as pitiful, and that it's really down to the persistence of some third parties and the explosion of one or two titles that the PSP is seeing such an improvement.

 

[RpgN]

Every console has its share of apologist and spinners, the perception of a particular group for/against a console says more about the person doing the perceiving than any consensual conspiracy.

And if there is any consensus in this thread, it's that NamcoBandia should be doing a full Tales of game on the PSP. How exactly that constistutes people downplaying the PSP, I don't know.

I think it's that ccbfan is complaining at the wrong time. Nobody downplayed ToW2, but there was a whole lot more reckless downplay months (years?) ago. Some members don't come here anymore or aren't as active. The nintendo fans are more calm and openminded now, the psp's performance did improve without a question too. Maybe it's just payback time coming from ccbfan? :lol

 

[donny2112]

I'm getting sick of the Wii/PSP "discussions" in every bloody MC thread.

I don't think there should even be Wii vs. PSP discussion. It doesn't make sense to me. They are not each other's natural competition.

Do they compete for a part of the overall retail dollar and third-party publisher's attention? Sure, but in that sense, they are also competing against DS, PS2, PS3, and the 360. Wii's natural competition are the other home consoles. PSP's natural competition in the video game space is the other handheld system. Oh, well.

 

[Link]

Good for Wii owners to reject FFCC EoT!

"Due to the apparent lack of interest in the franchise from the Wii userbase, development of Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers has been canceled. We hope you look forward to the next Chocobo's Dungeon game."

 

[jeremy1456]

I don't think there should even be Wii vs. PSP discussion. It doesn't make sense to me. They are not each other's natural competition.

I completely agree.

 

[Spiegel]

I don't think there should even be Wii vs. PSP discussion. It doesn't make sense to me. They are not each other's natural competition.

Do they compete for a part of the overall retail dollar and third-party publisher's attention? Sure, but in that sense, they are also competing against DS, PS2, PS3, and the 360. Wii's natural competition are the other home consoles. PSP's natural competition in the video game space is the other handheld system. Oh, well.

I disagree. I think they are direct competition in Japan right now

In my opinion PSP and Wii are fighting for the being the "next" PS2 in the sense that publishers can reutilize assets and engines and make cheaper games compared to making expensive hd games. Two years ago when psp was doing pretty badly there wasn't any competition for the Wii, but now things have changed and psp can also get "theorical" ps2 games which should have been Wii games. If psp continues selling good I don't see how both will not be in direct competition.

I think we can agree on this. I'm not saying psp should get the third party games and I don't want to start making list and things like that. It's just an appreciation: Wii and PSP are the most direct competitors of all 5 consoles right now IN JAPAN (and for japan-centric games)

Example: Gundam games

 

[jeremy1456]

"Due to the apparent lack of interest in the franchise from the Wii userbase, development of Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers has been canceled. We hope you look forward to the next Chocobo's Dungeon game."

Or...

"Due to the apparent lack of interest in the franchise from the Wii userbase, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers has been renamed 'Dragon Quest Slime Chronicles.' We hope hope you look forward to the next line of Dragon Quest spin-offs.

 

[Link]

I think Spiegel is right on this one. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the PSP is getting a lot of games that the Wii might have gotten had the PSP not started selling so well again.

 

[markatisu]

I think Spiegel is right on this one. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the PSP is getting a lot of games that the Wii might have gotten had the PSP not started selling so well again.

Why dont they just release them on both? Its not like the Wii is incapable of handling PSP ports, just look a bulk of the third party line up during the Wii launch year.

 

[Link]

You'd think that would be the logical thing to do, yet here we are.

 

[Rpgmonkey]

(and only localizing Radiant Mythology 1, which, to be fair outsold Tales of Abyss and Tales of Rebirth).

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I'd be interested in seeing if a mainline game would be worth it. The RM games aren't really the same thing as the mainline games. I always figured they just have their own fanbase on the PSP, that ended up being a little larger than those that want the mainline games or other spinoffs overall.

 

[Tideas]

Why dont they just release them on both? Its not like the Wii is incapable of handling PSP ports, just look a bulk of the third party line up during the Wii launch year.

for some of the developers, it's limited resources. for others, instead of two groups of dev developing for both the Wii and PSP, they would use both groups to develop 2 games for the PSP

 

[Link]

for some of the developers, it's limited resources. for others, instead of two groups of dev developing for both the Wii and PSP, they would use both groups to develop 2 games for the PSP

I'm sure a few developers just don't want to bother with the hassle of motion controls either.

 

[jeremy1456]

In my opinion PSP and Wii are fighting for the being the "next" PS2 in the sense that publishers can reutilize assets and engines and make cheaper games compared to making expensive hd games.

This is one of the strangest statements I've ever seen made about Japanese sales. Period.

I can't help but imagine that if there was no Wii then most of the PSP games you speak of would be simply downgraded to DS. Since there's no way to prove your theory or mine what's the point of speculating?

 

[Oldschool]

I'm getting sick of the Wii/PSP "discussions" in every bloody MC thread.

Wii fans downplaying the sales successes of the PSP (not this time, but on other occasions) should reflect on the fact that many third party games on the system are performing well and that it could be argued to be a better proposition for third parties than the Wii is right now.

PSP fans sneering at the Wii's third party sales should reflect on the fact that it wasn't that long ago that the PSP was seen as just as pitiful, and that it's really down to the persistence of some third parties and the explosion of one or two titles that the PSP is seeing such an improvement.

Persistence?

PSP has almost the same amount of 3rd games as 360 have, even being launched one year early.

And even nowadays, we rarely see a lot of psp games being released every week, but when there are, they are selling (very) well.

I think this year PSP will get a huge amount of 3rd party games as a result of the great sales of 2007 and 2008. Hardware and software wise.

 

[Spiegel]

This is one of the strangest statements I've ever seen made about Japanese sales. Period.

I can't help but imagine that if there was no Wii then most of the PSP games you speak of would be simply downgraded to DS. Since there's no way to prove your theory or mine what's the point of speculating?

Strangest?

Company X wants to do a ps2-level game of a ps2 saga.
Company X has two viable options "comparable" to ps2
Company X makes a decision to do the game on one of the two because of multiple factors (userbase, budget, how much previous games have sold on the console,...)

How is that reasoning strange? I think it's pretty simple.