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Media Create Sales: 01/19 - 01/25
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Cosmonaut X
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jarrod said:
Ninokuni has been announced for DS, hasn't it? As for M+ - what would it bring to either, given what we know of them? Maybe it would be good for IEB, but only if it's very different from the DS original.
Mr. Pointy
Member
All Tales games tend to be incredibly front loaded. I'm not expecting RW2 to go past 250k. However, I do think Namco should have done a main Tales game on the PSP like fuckin yesterday.
Cheesemeister
Member
Stumpokapow said:
It's about freaking time. Every other title out of S-E should not have "FF" slapped on it for no reason but to sell copies. FFCC has absolutely nothing to do with FF.
Incoming...
RpgN
Junior Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
That's unfortunate. How are people going to explain this mess? SE better be praying for its legs.
Good about ToW2, a 200k LTD is within reach, a 250k+ is possible with some luck. But we might not see an apparent improvement compared to the first day if Namco doesn't follow up with those second shipments soon.
Fafalada, I have noticed that Sony isn't afraid of bad sales if the game gained lots of attention and praise. Their strategy is to build up a franchise within time. I don't think Afrika is one of those, it's more like Folklore, that it will be forgotten and buried. I must say, they take quite a risk by funding many new IPs.
BishopLamont
Banned
A new Tales for PSP isn't going to take the Wii version away. It's a whore of a franchise.goompapa said:
Ninokuni was announced for DS and "a console". It likely also started out on Wii, though focus has obviously shifted to DS for release first.Cosmonaut X said:
M+ would definitely help with the game though, as you're making symbols with it. You draw them on DS obviously, but I'd expect a Wii version to be wand waving rather than IR drawing.
PSP should have a pretty good first third of the year (January-April) because Tales, PES 2009, Idolmaster, Shin Sangoku Musou: Multi Raid, Sengoku Basara Battle Heroes and Gundam: The Bonds of War all should come close to 200k+ sales.
Too bad it doesn't have a Monster Hunter game this year.
Too bad it doesn't have a Monster Hunter game this year.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
bu-bu..... but Nintendo games sell better on the weekends!
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is there even an official impressions thread for the game? is it even good?
Cosmonaut X
Member
BishopLamont said:
Fixed.
-- 5 "mothership" titles in 4 year spread over four different platforms, with apparently quite different budgets and approaches. No PSP title.
-- 6 remakes over the same period, spread over two platforms but mainly on PSP.
-- A spin-off on the Wii and a DS "escort" title.
-- 3 ND/RM titles on two different platforms (again mainly on the PSP).
16 Tales games over four years (not including mobile etc.), splattered across half-a-dozen platforms. There just seems to be no focus or consideration to making a home for the series on one platform (and PSP seems the best bet at the moment, though a combination of Wii/PSP would seem possible if they wanted a home console presence).
It's a mess.
bcn-ron said:
Rubbish. MLaaK was a good, quirky WW title and I don't see why there should be any "backlash". If anything, it's a response to Squenix's handling of the Crystal Chronicles line over the past couple of years in general.
markatisu said:
It would be good for the console if a new Monster Hunter is released this year. The other two best selling consoles (Ds and Wii) have Dragon Quest IX and Wii Sports Resort at least.
I just want a BIG game (besides Kingdom Hearts) and Gran Turismo Portable (fuck you SCEJ) is never coming out :/
FFCC DS got hurt more than I thought it would, I expected about double that for the first day and 170k-ish for the first week and obviously S-E expected even more than that (wow @ 300k shipped). I wonder if retailers will even give it a chance over the weekend now or if it already price collapsed.
Tales RM2 did a bit better than the first than I expected too, I didn't expect it to beat ToH first day. I wonder if a mothership Tales for PSP could do the same.
Tales RM2 did a bit better than the first than I expected too, I didn't expect it to beat ToH first day. I wonder if a mothership Tales for PSP could do the same.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
You're wondering if a Square Enix Final Fantasy branded game price collapsed on its second day of release?jj984jj said:
:lol
No.
Cosmonaut X said:
Agreed.
I also think this may be the public at large speaking in volume how they think the Pollux engine is a waste of time (one can hope anyway). Its a neat concept but the Wii already gets shit on by third parties and this was almost literally a direct port from the DS.
Those Final Fantasy sales are really bad.
I admit I haven't been following either game closely at all, but if Segata says it's been advertised heavily and still did badly then what about it is so unappealing? Just the fact that you need both to make the most of it? What?
I admit I haven't been following either game closely at all, but if Segata says it's been advertised heavily and still did badly then what about it is so unappealing? Just the fact that you need both to make the most of it? What?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
SovanJedi said:
Amongst other reasons:
- Dual-SKU thing is confusing as hell
- It's RoF 1.5.
- It's so soon after RoF.
- No new features other than online, meh
- Name fatigue?
Stumpokapow said:
It also had a bundle so there were 3 SKU's
The online was also reportedly lag filled and they did not really fix (at least from initial interviews and word of mouth) any problems with ROF like the retarded AI of your partners or the inherent problems with trying to manage the spells via the shoulder buttons and touch pad. I would not even call it ROF 1.5 its more like ROF 1.01 or something since online seemed to be the only real thing added but still thats broke.
I do not really think name fatigue had anything to do with it, I think its more due to what the game actually was then anything else.
Like was said earlier, people felt fleeced and initially anyway are rejecting being whored
test_account
XP-39C²
How do you mean? PES is a multiplatform game. It was released on the PS3 and the Xbox 360 the same day if i am not mistaken. Sure, they didnt make a DS version of this year's PES, and the Wii version still isnt out yet, that is fair enough, but PES is still a multiplatform gamegoompapa said:
test_account said:How do you mean? PES is a multiplatform game. It was released on the PS3 and the Xbox 360 the same day if i am not mistaken. Sure, they didnt make a DS version of this year's PES, and the Wii version still isnt out yet, that is fair enough, but PES is still a multiplatform game
Who gives a damn for the X360 version in Japan? Just look at the numbers posted. Konamis decision to only release the HD versions first was to help pushing the PES crowd into buying the PS3 version instead of the PS2. Like you said there was also the X360 version but that console is a non-factor over there. And it´s also funny that the Wii version will be released when the season is halfway through again. They got what they sowed, honestly.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
bcn-ron said:
test_account
XP-39C²
My question was what he ment with "Keep crawling deeper in Sony's @ss !". I could maybe have said that clearer, i am sorry :\ If Konami themself chose to only release the HD versions of PES 2009 to begin with, was this Konami's own choice or did Sony had anything to do with this decition?Laguna said:
EDIT: I added some text.
I don't think it was about Sony so much as it is just Konami's blatant effort to try and force the WE audience to PS3.test_account said:
Honestly, it was a dumb move. As is sitting on the PSP/Wii versions, which have the biggest growth potential by far (PSP in Japan, Wii in Europe).
oldie-newbie
Member
Osuwari said:
Numbers for last year: Media Create Sales 01/21 - 01/27 2008
DSL 79,370
PSP 77,933
Wii 74,544 (Super Smash Bros Brawl on Wii 01/31/2008)
PS3 34,363
PS2 11,364
360 4,296
test_account
XP-39C²
Ye, that was what i was wondering aboutjarrod said:
If Konami made this decition by themselfs, how are they crawling deeper into Sony's ass? In afterthought i guess i know what he means, since Konami decided to only support the PS3 and Xbox 360 with PES 2009 to begin with, but the way i first thought that he ment was that Konami and Sony had made some sort of a deal about only releasing the HD versions of PES 2009 to begin with to try to increase the PS3 hardware sales, and that Konami were "punshied" by this decition because they made some sort of a deal with Sony. With "punished" i mean by how the PSP and the PSP version of PES 2009 first day sales numbers look.
Sure, i havnt said it was a smart move just to underline that (i am not saying that you said that i said it was a smart move). Releasing PES 2009 for all platforms at the same day might have led to bigger sales overall, i agree. I was just wondering what he ment with that Konami was crawling deeper into Sony's assjarrod said:
EDIT: I added some text.
apotema said:
Nintendo is releasing games, they just aren't releasing games making the impact that Wii Fit/Smash Brothers made last year at this time. I'm sure they were hoping Wii Music would do the trick but clearly it failed.
Loudninja said:
Angry? I´m actually more like "Oh, Konami what are you doing with your former million-selling franchise". Instead of giving their best to expand their audience they try to push their games on a system that isn´t that popular, while neglecting dominant systems for not comprehensible reasons. Ironically they actually have versions for all the major platforms including their former PES stronghold called PS2. It just wasn´t clever that this version got not released until yesterday although they could have released it back in November easily, at a much better period to sell software. Obviously this push back had an negative effect on sales.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
schuelma said:
So basically their next big thing Wii:S.R. + MotionPlus, I hope there will be other 3rd party games launching along MotionPlus
Prays for Dragon Quest Swords II with MotionPlus support
NintendosBooger
Member
Nintendo isn't sweatin' this.
If they were really serious about generating and sustaining a boost, they know they could just release another NSMB, Brain Training, or any other sequel to one of their multi-platinum selling DS games. You chicken littles are acting like Nintendo doesn't have the ammo for the Big Guns they have stored away. Just focus your attention on the top 20 games sold this generation. Mother Brain can add a dozen new entries to that list at a moment's notice.
The Big N is just chillin.
If they were really serious about generating and sustaining a boost, they know they could just release another NSMB, Brain Training, or any other sequel to one of their multi-platinum selling DS games. You chicken littles are acting like Nintendo doesn't have the ammo for the Big Guns they have stored away. Just focus your attention on the top 20 games sold this generation. Mother Brain can add a dozen new entries to that list at a moment's notice.
The Big N is just chillin.
test_account
XP-39C²
Sure, i dont think that there are too many people who disagree with what you say here, at least i am not disagreeing. If Konami released PES 2009 for every platform at the same day, maybe then they would have sold more copies of the game overall compared to releasing different version of PES 2009 at different times. Doing it like Konami did it with releasing the different versions of PES 2009 might not be the best way to do it, i agree.Laguna said:
I just wondered what goompapa ment about "Keep crawling deeper in Sony's @ss !". It was a genuine question and nothing more, i wasnt being negative or anything like that just to underline that. For all that i know, maybe i would agree with him if he answered to me what he ment
The only thing i can think of right now is if Konami and Sony made some sort of deal that were suppose to make the PS3 hardware sell more since the game only came out for the PS3 and the Xbox 360 to begin with. But by delaying the PS2 and the PSP versions of PES 2009 might also had hurt Sony. I mean, if the PSP and the PS2 version of PES 2009 sells less, then Sony get less money as well, since Sony gets they share of money for each Playstation systems games that are sold as well.
But as said, i was just wondering what goompapa ment when he said "Keep crawling deeper in Sony's @ss !"
EDIT: I added some text.
SE can suck a dick for releasing EOT the way it was. Serves them right for bombing.
Also Im glad Konami is getting such awesome sales with PES :lol :lol :lol . How about instead they release the PS2,PSP,Wii versions the same time as PS3/360 instead of destroying their sales.
Awesome sales for Tales!
Also Im glad Konami is getting such awesome sales with PES :lol :lol :lol . How about instead they release the PS2,PSP,Wii versions the same time as PS3/360 instead of destroying their sales.
Awesome sales for Tales!
kobashi100
Banned
Chumly said:
Its about time Japan gave FIFA a chance. FIFA 09 deserved to do much better on PS3 and 360. It is the best footy game around!
charlequin said:
There are likely other factors involved than simply who developed the games, but I don't know what specific games you're referring to. Regardless, even if 100% of the assumed sales difference from using a secondary staff instead of the main staff is due to that fact, could letting your main staff focus on creating new sources of revenue for the company end up being more lucrative for the company than keeping them focused on that single series with the assumed increase in sales?
charlequin said:
Such as budget or the ability to retain people (which can also be due to budget).
charlequin said:
Or if he's abducted by aliens. Or if he's picked for a mission to Mars. etc. You know, it's entirely possible that the secondary team that does the main work on the game might just get pretty good at it over time.
charlequin said:
Investment includes budget, advertising, licensing, etc. Basically the costs for creating and selling a game. Return on that investment would be how much revenue the company gets back from the selling of the game.
charlequin said:
The hardcore fanbase that leads to a game selling 70%+ in its first week begins to have certain expectations of what the game will be, and wants future iterations of the game to improve areas (e.g. graphics in the case of MGS4, movie-like FMV for Final Fantasy) that would typically lead to increased costs for the game compared to previous iterations.
charlequin said:
Again, the frontloaded-ness is really a symptom of the games I'm talking about instead of a cause, and the games I'm talking about are the extremely dedicated, 1st-day purchase, games that happen to typically show up when the 1st-week percentage pushes to the extreme levels of 70%+. These games aren't bringing in significant numbers of new buyers (as indicated by the first-week sales) but still sell very well in raw numbers. These games aren't expecting higher ROI as time goes on without changing the series structure or advertising, since they aren't bringing in new customers. As such, a publisher probably wouldn't want their money-making people spending all their time on a lessening money-making project.
Stumpokapow said:
:lol