Flying_Phoenix
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Stormbringer said:
Damn did 428 have some legs after it left the charts. Wasn't it at 50k when it charted off?
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Media Create Sales: 02/09 - 02/15
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Damn did 428 have some legs after it left the charts. Wasn't it at 50k when it charted off?
Y2Kev said:
I'm not saying it will come to that, I still think the 360 is a lucrative platform for Japanese developers to develop for, but the notion that Microsoft will not have a single RPG exclusive, from now until the end of the generation, is ludicrous. Microsoft has made significant inroads in Japan compared to the 360s predecessor, due in large part to their RPG lineup, if developers are unwilling to develop solely for the 360 on their own accord (I personally think they will), then yes, I'm willing to bet they'll 'moneyhat' an exclusive.
By Ninja Blade's genre, I mean games like Ninja Gaiden 2 and Devil May Cry 4.
harSon said:
But the whole point is that those exclusive JRPG's for the most part aren't selling that great in Japan and haven't done well enough in the West to justify exclusivity. Multi platform in the case of the HD twins seems like the only viable option, to be frank.
Would you like the games less if they were multiplat?PepsimanVsJoe said:
The sales performances of most Japanese Xbox 360 exclusives so far range somewhere between bombing and thinly breaking even. Without additional incentives not related to sales, they aren't viable. Maybe one or two are, but the stakes are too high to gamble. Going multiplat would only help secure that these project can continue to be made.
Impossible is such a big word. It'll be harder. A lot harder.harSon said:
Ninja Blade is a bomb, by genre standards or otherwise. Ninja Gaiden 2 outsold it 5:1, the Xbox 360 version alone of Devil May Cry 4 outsold it by 5.5:1, Ninja Gaiden Sigma outsold it 7.5:1, and the PS3 version of DMC4 ran 31 laps around it.
Don't forget that SE didn't have to fund tri-Ace current-gen engine, either. I don't think the IU deal was bad for both MS and SE (only bad for gamers, lawl). MS got SO4 for their console (maybe even VP3?), and SE got a tri-Ace engine for current gen games plus a game they didn't have to fund development for. Still managed to ship 440k copies of IU, for better or worse. Definitely not bad at all.Y2Kev said:
TLR remains to be seen, imo. I won't call it a failure, yet. Not when there are other versions in the pipeline.
The only one buttfucked here is Namco. They were banking on Vesperia's success in the west to make up for low sales in JPN, obviously that didn't happen.
charlequin
Banned
Y2Kev said:
Did I not say "in Japan" in my post? I could've sworn I said "in Japan." :lol
What decision would have been better here, though? SO4 Wii is a non-starter; I don't necessarily believe that SO3 PS3 would have produced drastically more Japanese sales.
Like, my position for a while now has been that ~2 years of very poor overall strategic decision-making by all of Japan's developers collectively have ensured that for most existing series there is no tactically sensible decision now, in 2009, just a variety of different crappy options to choose from.
Exclusive? Maybe. I feel extremely confident that SMT4 will be PS360. I don't think the possibility of at least one more funded exclusive should be written off, though.
Error said:
Ah, okay - i guess then tri-Ace got most of the money from MS. I always wondered why they would go exklusive with SO4.
VP on (Ps)360 then makes also sense, i thought this time they would try the Wii Route since it looked awesome on Ps2 already. Poor Wii...
charlequin said:
Nah, so I threw in both.
Without extensive knowledge of the behind-the-scenes workings I can't really say for sure, but I would make all these games multiplatform. I would at least have B teams or TOSE working on porting the games now that the games are gold. And I understand that a lot of people suggest this wouldn't be possible, but I just find it so difficult to believe. Western studios have been doing this for two years now and had multiplatform versions of trash like Def Jam Icon three months after the PS3 launched. It's 27 months later and Namco took like 13 months to port Eternal Sonata.
I'm of two minds on this issue: first, it's obvious that they need the extra sales. I don't have data on overlap between the two user bases, but if you look at something like WKC, I believe there could be more than enough sales to justify port cost (most western studios estimate it at about 10% of total budget...I have no idea what is going on with Japan though). Second, on being upfront about being multiplatform: you could hurt sales on one platform in the short term. This is a very real concern. But I question whether or not the fanbase out in stores buying games now is all too concerned.
If you compare how Namco basically has hinted at a Vesperia port (that you know I still don't believe is coming!) with Hashimoto's "no more questions!!!" route, I think it's pretty indicative of the screwed up business climate.
PERSONALLY, my strategy would have been to do a PSP game in the interim, and I think this is really a realistic strategy (or was). At the time the next-gen console dev kits were being handed out, the handhelds were just getting started and most people thought the PSP would crush the DS. I would have had either a side story or the next iteration of my franchise on handheld. I think Horii was very, very smart to do DQ9 on the DS. And if we look at when development on Square's games like Dissidia started, they too made smart (although later) decisions. I would have done that.
I just find it so incredibly difficult to believe that someone, somewhere sat in an office and said, "Hey, so we only have these 360 dev kits right now...PS3 dev kits will be here in about six months, but forget those...let's make an exclusive 360 game." What person anywhere ever thought this would be a smart move? Maybe now it looks like one of a multitude of equally crappy objects, but then? It just looks extremely myopic.
I did consider the idea of a subsidized game.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
I think SE will throw the 360 a bone in Japan with a (timed?) exclusive of FFXIII International.
And then Agito will be PS360.
And then Agito will be PS360.
Captain Smoker
Member
Dengeki Software Totals - Weekly Overview
Software LTD's*:
NDS: 122.190.630
PSP: 29.389.125
WII: 29.223.425
PS3: 9.628.658
360: 4.399.484
*Famitsu & Dengeki - data
Code:
Week NDS Wii PS3 PS2 PSP X360
07/21 - 27/07 548.601 193.392 78.778 188.894 170.080 19.081
07/28 - 08/03 684.905 184.940 115.983 142.526 485.664 37.602
08/04 - 08/10 753.875 148.064 56.654 121.214 231.491 122.421
08/11 - 08/17 683.148 228.693 55.536 140.651 224.715 36.505
08/18 - 08/24 471.057 116.471 34.819 194.485 119.839 17.166
08/25 - 08/31 464.969 119.749 89.201 137.961 147.798 26.540
09/01 - 09/07 378.177 111.082 49.293 99.123 89.218 16.507
09/08 - 09/14 1.359.677 130.488 38.811 105.876 76.479 110.550
09/15 - 09/21 728.370 100.698 75.242 121.620 111.545 32.785
09/22 - 09/28 638.127 111.983 85.866 539.344 103.562 23.384
09/29 - 10/05 398.829 84.433 39.985 266.162 96.254 18.359
10/06 - 10/12 332.218 72.096 27.116 142.586 164.111 14.269
10/13 - 10/19 374.464 178.352 24.346 148.501 161.044 12.818
10/20 - 10/26 438.583 126.851 27.601 184.565 134.428 12.579
10/27 - 11/02 479.590 119.844 227.784 110.669 111.702 49.830
11/03 - 11/09 642.247 105.057 93.830 102.565 103.817 38.185
11/10 - 11/16 575.243 101.585 186.761 77.587 95.082 30.068
11/17 - 11/23 712.470 362.511 91.290 101.778 367.010 133.016
11/24 - 11/30 933.891 247.467 252.743 84.935 385.488 60.805
12/01 - 12/07 586.664 239.208 119.964 154.050 182.969 69.713
12/08 - 12/14 793.871 523.282 108.036 107.669 179.102 42.332
12/15 - 12/21 1.542.476 712.131 300.611 309.420 692.604 110.927
12/22 - 12/28 1.629.791 878.116 386.492 212.544 433.612 63.490
12/29 - 01/04 1.302.245 718.913 267.529 186.653 415.422 66.262
01/05 - 01/11 517.137 226.875 123.874 103.390 218.188 35.991
01/12 - 01/18 486.422 227.923 167.187 79.900 157.460 30.677
01/19 - 01/25 362.216 215.920 107.169 76.308 161.193 41.990
01/26 - 02/01 422.172 168.744 87.903 193.494 462.247 42.869
02/02 - 02/08 336.350 126.504 128.816 105.175 198.800 32.791
02/09 - 02/15 504.351 114.290 185.817 122.805 205.945 59.655
[B]YTD 2009 3.930.893 1.799.169 1.068.295 867.725 1.819.255 310.235[/B]Software LTD's*:
NDS: 122.190.630
PSP: 29.389.125
WII: 29.223.425
PS3: 9.628.658
360: 4.399.484
*Famitsu & Dengeki - data
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
cw_sasuke said:
Quite compelling arguments you have there
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Things were definitely a lot simpler last gen. Kind of depressing really.
Hopefully the dominant platform arrives soon(well..aside from the DS).
Hopefully the dominant platform arrives soon(well..aside from the DS).
Laguna said:
For review.
Liabe Brave said:
donny2112 said:
I wasn't trying to say that the PS2 is thrashing the Wii's LTD in Japan. I was simply correcting the notion that the Wii was doing "better even" than the PS2 in hardware in Japan.
PepsimanVsJoe said:
Had publishers had the impossible foreknowledge of how the Wii would be this generation and put the proper support toward the platform, I think it would be as dominant, or close to, in total software as the PS2 was last generation in Japan. Third-party sales would still be much less, but then I personally don't think there'll be another platform as good for third-parties as the PS2 for a long, long time, if ever.
At this point in the console market, the Wii is still best positioned to be the dominant platform. It just needs a ton more software support from both Nintendo and third-parties.
Quazar said:
bttb FTW. Shipments WW.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14784458&postcount=636
Captain Smoker
Member
Yes, but I've just total software numbers since the NDS - launch (Dec. 04):DarkMehm said:
PS2: 75.342.030
Captain Smoker
Member
Hmm, isn't this estimated data?DarkMehm said:
"推定販売台数 Estimated sales"
http://translate.google.com/transla...t/da/forecast.php&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
MarzipaNMOS
Member
Error said:
schuelma said:
Kizuna and ARF might fit in as well
Captain Smoker
Member
Hmm, but the hardware data isn't the same:DarkMehm said:
source: http://journal.pcvsconsole.com/?thread=17755
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Code:
Famitsu geimin
2000 3.515.532 3.748.200
2001 3.578.828 3.603.700
2002 3.732.020 3.652.800
2003 2.994.000 2.812.500
2004 2.750.776 2.750.800
2005 2.134.863 2.134.900Only 2004 and 2005 are the same.
Captain Smoker
Member
Yes, that's also right. =)DarkMehm said:
charlequin
Banned
Y2Kev said:
This is probably the best of the available options, but I don't think you can minimize the effect that it has on your overall dev strategy. You are already developing games with the extra HD overhead on your upfront dev costs; porting every one of those is going to add 10-15% to all your R&D costs. If you're developing a $15 million game, you just added $1.5-$2 million to port it. That in turn means you're relying on your port to sell something like 75,000 extra copies just to break even, probably like 150,000 to actually give you a decent ROI -- which is trivial if you're developing with the intent to port but then we're just back at the earlier point of making all your decisions based on worldwide totals.
If all you can really do with those ports is break even and spread your risk, I'm not sure it's worth it, since you're counterbalancing that with the new risk of having a bigger team to manage and keep busy.
(Now, obviously Disgaea 3 didn't cost anything like $15 million to develop but I'm still not sure that a 360 port would be profitable, y'know?)
PSP is where I would be focusing a lot of my effort as the bossman of a Japanese dev, but the PSP still isn't a strong ship. That people are seriously suggesting making PSP the home of Tales off of a performance in the neighborhood of ToS GCN isn't tremendously reassuring, and although I think the PSP is a strong choice right now, it's a system without much possibility for growth.
Nah, this is actually an incredibly straightforward decision to make. Here are the facts in your hands when you make this decision:
- Your team is free right now, so any project that has to wait six months to start means throwing away ~$X thousands of dollars as implementation people sit on their thumbs.
- Microsoft has promised a renewed effort to make the 360 into a legitimate Japanese platform, and probably sent you your kits for free.
- You know that your HD assets and shit will be portable to PS3 down the road if you need to squeeze that extra mile out of them.
- You're assigning a "real" team to their next project; you have handheld teams to deal with the PSP.
- You would rather die in a fire than make a game for the Wii.
The problem with it is that it has pretty fucking bad effects on the overall software ecosystem ~2 years down the line, not that it doesn't make sense at all to the guy making the decision at the time he makes it.
Dash Kappei said:
There's plenty of reason to give Japan the inevitable FFXIII Intl. on 360 (and no good reason besides Sony moneyhats not to), but not a single conceivable reason in the world to make it exclusive.
PseudoKirby
Banned
god I cant wait to see next weeks charts
SO4 should have lots of sales, its a good square enix game that is a sequel.... it should sell great!
SO4 should have lots of sales, its a good square enix game that is a sequel.... it should sell great!
rollingstart
Banned
how to Tenchu 4 PSP sales compare with Tenchu 4 Wii?
Cosmonaut X
Member
Linkzg said:
Higher, but only by a few thousand. Unless the PSP version has legs, both will be sub-30k LTD.
BishopLamont
Banned
The Wii just started to track behind the PS2 recently, so saying it's tracking behind the PS2 doesn't mean much at this point. Let's wait awhile to see if the Wii picks up or not. Things don't look very good for it though.donny2112 said:
Paracelsus
Member
Error said:
Who knows if PCPS3 even make it to 200k worldwide. Honestly? I doubt it.
Which might be the case with Valkyrie Profile, which is not as strong as Star Ocean in Japan and nowhere nearly as strong as SO in the States.
Arpharmd B
Banned
Lightning said:
People have been talking about FFXIII since at least 2005. It'll, what, maybe make early 2010? That's half a decade of speculation. Versus is probably 2012, and yeah next gen consoles are late 2011 probably :/