Media Create Sales: 09/08 - 09/14

justchris said:
Probably wanted to wait for Media Create before saying something. It'd look pretty bad to say, "We kicked the Wii's ass. We're #1 in home consoles!" only to lose it after MC numbers came out. This way they can issue a press release that looks good regardless of which tracker you prefer.
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Is there a reason as to why Media Create numbers are considered "more valid" than Famitsu's?

Just curious.
 
Here's something interesting:


PS3 LTD: 2,151,089
360 LTD: 671,204
Gap: 1,479,885

360 vs PS3: If the PS3 stopped selling and the 360 continued selling at this week's rate, it would catch it in 52 weeks, or 1 year to be exact.

If they both continued to sell like this, the 360 would catch it in 73.5 weeks, or 1 year and 4 months.

And they would meet at 2,743,022.
 
rykomatsu said:
http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1217975_1124.html



"The next "Tales of" should take the direction of development on a HD machine. In other words, the next installment should be on PS3 or 360." (Higuchi). There were proponents for PS3 exclusivity and multiplatform development, but in the end, "as we got into development, there were a number of merits (to develop on the 360 and the 360 was chosen in the end)" (Higuchi). Gouda was worried at that time, "because the 360 hadn't sold well domestically, if we were to develop a game on the 360, there would be a limit as to the number of copies that could ultimately be sold, and it would be difficult to motivate the staff because of that. What should we do?" But taking into account the positive situation of the 360 in the rest of the world, Gouda convince his staff by telling them "if we develop this game both domestically and internationally, it will succeed as a business".

Rough/quick translation but yeah...

Since the "merits of developing on 360" weren't elaborated on, I'll leave that up to your guys' imagination and what not.
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So they were deciding on Ps3 exclusivity or multiplatform development but as they started developing the title the discovered the merits of developing it exclusively for the 360. :lol
 
jimbo said:
Here's something interesting:


PS3 LTD: 2,151,089
360 LTD: 671,204
Gap: 1,479,885

360 vs PS3: If the PS3 stopped selling and the 360 continued selling at this week's rate, it would catch it in 52 weeks, or 1 year to be exact.

If they both continued to sell like this, the 360 would catch it in 73 weeks, or 1 year and 4 months.
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XD @ the difference.
 
Regulus Tera said:
Is there a reason as to why Media Create numbers are considered "more valid" than Famitsu's?

Just curious.
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They're not more valid, just different. They're equally valid, but if you're releasing PR, you don't want anything even remotely offical that disagrees with it. You want to have all the information before you start spinning.
 
justchris said:
They're not more valid, just different. They're equally valid, but if you're releasing PR, you don't want anything even remotely offical that disagrees with it. You want to have all the information before you start spinning.
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Famitsu also has the 360's LTD at 717,275. By their numbers the 360 would have to average 18,848 per week to hit 1 mil by the end of the year.
 
jimbo said:
Famitsu also has the 360's LTD at 717,275. By their numbers the 360 would have to average 18,848 per week to hit 1 mil by the end of the year.
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....360 better have a really good winter then.
 
jimbo said:
Here's something interesting:


PS3 LTD: 2,151,089
360 LTD: 671,204
Gap: 1,479,885

360 vs PS3: If the PS3 stopped selling and the 360 continued selling at this week's rate, it would catch it in 52 weeks, or 1 year to be exact.

If they both continued to sell like this, the 360 would catch it in 73.5 weeks, or 1 year and 4 months.

And they would meet at 2,743,022.
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Yeah imagine that!

kpop100 said:
ffs what is wrong with people here. At least give the 360 it's 15 minutes in Japan and stfu. No one expected even this much, it says something that MS was able to pull a little something together.

Are all the Nintendo fans here only fans from the Wii era, or did you all just forget that for the past couple generations they couldn't give their systems away. Cause the way you are all getting butt hurt by 1 week of being outsold by the 360 I have to wonder.
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What outsold who now?
 
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1. [NDS] Pokemon Platinum (Nintendo) 963,000 / NEW
2. [NDS] Quiz Magic Academy DS (Konami) 119,000 / NEW
3. [360] Infinite Undiscovery (Square Enix) 90,000 / NEW
4. [WII] One Piece Unlimited Cruise: Episode 1 - Nami ni Yureru Hihou (Namco Bandai) 61,000 / NEW
5. [NDS] Rhythm Tengoku Heaven (Nintendo) 56,000 / 723,000
6. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) 25,000 / 2,635,000
7. [PS2] D.Gray-man: Sousha no Shikaku (Konami) 15,000 NEW
8. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) 14,000 / 1,762,000
9. [NDS] Daigasso! Band Brothers DX (Nintendo) 14,000 / 340,000
10. [PS2] J-League Winning Eleven 2008 Club Championship (Konami) 13,000 / 148,000

11. [NDS] Dragon Quest V (Square Enix)
12. [NDS] Fire Emblem: Shin Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Ken (Nintendo)
13. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven (Level 5)
14. [PS3] Afrika (SCEI)
15. [PS2] SEGA AGES 2500 Series Vol.33 Fantasy Zone Complete Collection (SEGA)
16. [NDS] Blue Dragon Plus (AQ Interactive)
17. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable (SEGA)
18. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2 G (SEGA)
19. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo)
20. [NDS] Taiko Drum Master 2: The Seven Island Adventure (Namco Bandai)
21. [360] Tales of Vesperia (Namco Bandai)
22. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
23. [NDS] Hoshizora no Comic Garden (D3)
24. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
25. [NDS] Beautiful Letter Training DS (Nintendo)
26. [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 15 (Konami)
27. [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo)
28. [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
29. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Portable 3 (Konami)
30. [PS3] Battlefield: Bad company (Electronic Arts)

31. [NDS] ????? Training (Nintendo)
32. [360] Viva Pinata 2 (Microsoft)
33. [NDS] Bokura wa Kaseki Holder (We are Fossil Diggers) (Nintendo)
34. [NDS] Mame Goma 2: Uchi no Ko ga Ichiban! (My Kid is Number One!) (TDK Core)
35. [PSP] Fate/Tiger Colosseum Upper (Capcom)
36. [NDS] Pokemon Diamond (Pokemon)
37. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo)
38. [WII] Wario Land: Shake It! (Nintendo)
39. [PS2] Persona 4 (Atlus Co.)
40. [NDS] Kanji Brain 2 + Dictionary (IE Institute)
41. [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo)
42. [PSP] Gundam Battle Universe (Namco Bandai)
43. [NDS] Densetsu no Stafi: Taiketsu! Dire Kaizokudan (Nintendo)
44. [WII] Super Mario Baseball Stadium (Nintendo)
45. [NDS] Puyo Puyo! (BEST) (SEGA)
46. [NDS] Tottadoo! Yoiko's Deserted Island Life (Namco Bandai)
47. [NDS] Brain Training 2 (Nintendo)
48. [WII] Fatal Frame: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse (Nintendo)
49. [PS3] Conflict: Denied Ops (Spike)
50. [NDS] Pokemon Pearl (Pokemon)

TOP 50
NDS:25
Wii:9
PS2:5
PSP:5
XBOX360:3
PS3:3

**1st pokemon chart by donny2112
 
"360 | 28,188 | 1,044 | 35,907 | 131,507 | 671,204"


xbox360 went up in sales 2800% ??

that's just crazy. almost beat the wii in media create numbers.
 
Jonnyram said:
I think Last Remnant will outsell IU and ToV at least, maybe even beat BD. They just need to sort out the hardware supply :lol
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As long as the game gets good reviews, I agree. I also see it doing good in the West.
 
PantherLotus said:
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Hey Panther, why are your monthly numbers always changing? I think you are doing the past 4 weeks, I was reffering to matching them up to NPD. For example, you should have August up there, and it shouldn't change until 2 weeks from now, when the whole September is complete. U follow me?
 
I have it set to do the last 4 weeks.

jimbo said:
stuff from earlier
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I'm doing the console charts right now, and I was reminded at just how wrong you were about "things changing." I'm also not satisfied with your page long explanation on what you expect the 360 to be averaging over the next 6 months. Take another stab at it in less than 20 words.

For reference (and perspective), 360 sales since February 2008:
02/04/08 - 3,615
02/11/08 - 2,198
02/18/08 - 2,001
02/25/08 - 2,282
03/03/08 - 2,891
<<---jimbo noticeably absent starting here
03/10/08 - 1,744
03/17/08 - 1,407
03/24/08 - 1,547
03/31/08 - 1,452
04/07/08 - 1,147
04/14/08 - 1,076
04/21/08 - 1,283
04/28/08 - 1,725
05/05/08 - 1,298
05/12/08 - 1,474
05/19/08 - 1,947
05/26/08 - 1,959
06/02/08 - 2,280
06/09/08 - 2,163
06/16/08 - 2,555
<<---- jimbo starts coming back starting here
<<----"things have changed"
06/23/08 - 5,140
06/30/08 - 4,776
07/07/08 - 3,807
07/14/08 - 4,208
07/21/08 - 4,941
07/28/08 - 5,359
08/04/08 - 24,962
08/11/08 - 7,358
08/18/08 - 3,551
08/25/08 - 3,124
09/01/08 - 1,044
09/08/08 - 28,188
<<--- "say goodbye to 2k-3k weeks"

Would you like to try just one more time? Please keep it short.
 
This game surprised me in this week chart
12. [NDS] Fire Emblem: Shin Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Ken (Nintendo)
Is it any good? Does it deserve such a position?
 
Jonnyram said:
I think Last Remnant will outsell IU and ToV at least, maybe even beat BD. They just need to sort out the hardware supply :lol
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I suppose it's possible, but all in all, we know less about TLR than we did about IU & ToV before they released. I'll be more confident in predicting it's sales after reports from TGS.

I also think TGS is important for Microsoft, cause they have to show there's going to be something there for Japanese 360 owners after TLR & SO4 if they want to convince them to keep their consoles. Maybe the new Banjo will draw some interest?
 
PantherLotus said:
I have it set to do the last 4 weeks.



I'm doing the console charts right now, and I was reminded at just how wrong you were about "things changing." I'm also not satisfied with your page long explanation on what you expect the 360 to be averaging over the next 6 months. Take another stab at it in less than 20 words.

For reference (and perspective), 360 sales since February 2008:
02/04/08 - 3,615
02/11/08 - 2,198
02/18/08 - 2,001
02/25/08 - 2,282
03/03/08 - 2,891
<<---jimbo noticeably absent starting here
03/10/08 - 1,744
03/17/08 - 1,407
03/24/08 - 1,547
03/31/08 - 1,452
04/07/08 - 1,147
04/14/08 - 1,076
04/21/08 - 1,283
04/28/08 - 1,725
05/05/08 - 1,298
05/12/08 - 1,474
05/19/08 - 1,947
05/26/08 - 1,959
06/02/08 - 2,280
06/09/08 - 2,163
06/16/08 - 2,555
<<---- jimbo starts coming back starting here
<<----"things have changed"
06/23/08 - 5,140
06/30/08 - 4,776
07/07/08 - 3,807
07/14/08 - 4,208
07/21/08 - 4,941
07/28/08 - 5,359
08/04/08 - 24,962
08/11/08 - 7,358
08/18/08 - 3,551
08/25/08 - 3,124
09/01/08 - 1,044
09/08/08 - 28,188
<<--- "say goodbye to 2k-3k weeks"

Would you like to try just one more time? Please keep it short.
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:lol

That's an awesome chart.

EDIT: This is the Blue Dragon case all over again - hardware sales rise, people assume they're going to stay up, they unfortunately don't.

I love the 360, but come on. It'll be back down to where it's always been in just a few weeks.
 
PantherLotus said:
I have it set to do the last 4 weeks.



I'm doing the console charts right now, and I was reminded at just how wrong you were about "things changing." I'm also not satisfied with your page long explanation on what you expect the 360 to be averaging over the next 6 months. Take another stab at it in less than 20 words.

For reference (and perspective), 360 sales since February 2008:

<<---jimbo in a long term relationship (actually it was 2007 when I stopped coming to GAF, not 2008)h, buys house, cars, has life no time for games or GAF

<<---- jimbo Quits job here, single, has free time, plays first videogame in over a year
<<----"things have changed"

09/08/08 - 28,188
<<--- "say goodbye to 2k-3k weeks"

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Things have changed. Your numbes show that. What is your point exactly?

Oh and if you are trying to make some sort of correlation I was in these threads right after 360's Japanese launch where it was sucking just as bad. Please stop making this a personal thing. I don't work for Microsoft. I have been through hell and back over the past year and a half and none of it has anything to do with the 360's sales in Japan. I promise you that.

And honestly, I could care less about your personal satisfaction with my prediction. You asked for a number, I gave you a number and an explanation of how I got it. I'd love for you to do the same or are you going to hit us again with another brilliant .5-6k prediction for next week?
 
PantherLotus said:
:lol :lol :lol

:(


Next Week's Prediction:
DS: 62k
PSP: 33k
Wii: 28k
360: 13k
PS3: 8k
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Great.

Oh and hey Panther.

Prior to 6/16/08 = 1,902 per week
Post 6/16/08 = 8,038 per week.
 
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[B][U]Hardware  | This Week | Last Week | Last Month |     YTD    |    LTD         [/U][/B]     
DS        |    63,859 |    51,412 |    227,705 |  2,181,458 |  23,417,921
PSP       |    30,156 |    34,462 |    153,886 |  2,698,699 |  10,330,455
WII       |    29,686 |    33,128 |    133,742 |  2,104,237 |   6,750,083
PS3       |     8,053 |     8,317 |     35,165 |    639,404 |   2,150,825
360       |    28,188 |     1,044 |     35,907 |    131,507 |     671,204
PS2       |     7,669 |     7,948 |     32,847 |    278,701 |  21,205,738

jimbo said:
Great.

Oh and hey Panther.

Prior to 6/16/08 = 1,902 per week
Post 6/16/08 = 8,038 per week.
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This is cute, but woefully shortsighted.
 
PantherLotus said:
This is cute, but woefully shortsighted.
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Like your prediction last week.

Although I see you are playing it safe this week. 1k over my average prediction from earlier. Man that's gutsy. Learned your lesson huh?:D
 
lo zaffo said:
12. [NDS] Fire Emblem: Shin Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Ken (Nintendo)
Is it any good? Does it deserve such a position?
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*slaps you*

PantherLotus said:
06/16/08 - 2,555
<<---- jimbo starts coming back starting here
<<----"things have changed"
06/23/08 - 5,140
...
09/08/08 - 28,188
<<--- "say goodbye to 2k-3k weeks"
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He's right. I discussed as much with duckroll around that time. I wouldn't say 2-3K weeks (barring shortages) are gone for good, but I don't see them coming back anytime soon.

I still consider 1 million to be a longshot and 2 million to be out of the question, but the ragging on jimbo is way out of proportion for the majority of his statements.
 
That's the point though, I'm asking what "2k-3k weeks are gone" means exactly. 5k-6k weeks?

"OK."


And...I encourage you to reread the thread and the hysterics that jimbo has been on about. I came out in his defense at first too.
 
PantherLotus said:
And...I encourage you to reread the thread and the hysterics that jimbo has been on about. I came out in his defense at first too.
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I caught up on the thread before posting.

#31 is Observation Training.

MC Top 10 with exact #s:

1. [NDS] Pokemon Platinum (Pokemon Co.) 963,273 / NEW
2. [NDS] Quiz Magic Academy DS (Konami) 119,134 / NEW
3. [360] Infinite Undiscovery (Square Enix) 90,288 / NEW
4. [WII] One Piece Unlimited Cruise: Episode 1 (Namco Bandai) 61,009 / NEW
5. [NDS] Rhythm Tengoku Gold (Nintendo) 55,772 / 723,000
6. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) 25,257 / 2,635,000
7. [PS2] D.Gray-man: Sousha no Shikaku (Konami) 14,955 / NEW
8. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) 13,990 / 1,762,000
9. [NDS] Daigasso! Band Brothers DX (Nintendo) 13,897 / 340,000
10. [PS2] J-League Winning Eleven 2008 Club Championship (Konami) 12,748 / 148,000




Famitsu Sep 1-7

1. NDS Rhythm Tengoku Gold 46109 / 671547
2. WII Wii Fit 27187 / 2542565
3. NDS Blue Dragon Plus 25496 / NEW
4. NDS Fire Emblem: New Shadow Dragons and the Blade of Light 16177 / 219802
5. PS2 J-League Winning Eleven 2008 Club Championship 16139 / 129369
6. PS3 Afrika 14466 / 49762
7. PSP Phantasy Star Portable 13948 / 585879
8. NDS Daigasso! Band Brothers DX 13623 / 314580
9. WII Mario Kart Wii 13211 / 1706402
10. NDS Inazuma Eleven 12965 / 79444
11. NDS Dragon Quest V 11870 / 1131378
12. NDS Taiko Drum Master 2: The Seven Island Adventure 8584 / 327473
13. WII Wii Sports 7424 / 3121336
14. PS3 Battlefield: Bad Company 7109 / 29112
15. PSP Monster Hunter Portable 2 G 6452 / 2411173
16. PSP Fate/Tiger Colosseum Upper 6166 / 38233
17. NDS Mario Kart DS 5728 / 3194908
18. 360 Musou Orochi: Maou Sairin 5232 / NEW
19. WII Fatal Frame: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse 5063 / 63489
20. WII Wii Play 4955 / 2471618
21. PS2 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 15 4921 / 195693
22. NDS Sigma Harmonics 4690 / 38631
23. NDS New Super Mario Bros. 4203 / 5274265
24. NDS Bokura wa Kaseki Holder (We are Fossil Diggers) 4030 / 206997
25. NDS Derby Stallion DS 3843 / 257553
26. NDS Beautiful Letter Training DS 3737 / 370363
27. NDS Taiko Drum Master 3679 / 465306
28. NDS Animal Crossing: Wild World 3668 / 4726538
29. WII Wario Land: Shake It! 3626 / 91743
30. NDS Zettai Karen Children DS: Dai-4 no Children 3321 / NEW

*. NDS Chi's Sweet Home: Chi ga Ouchi ni Yatte Kita! (Chi Has Come to your Home!) 2900 / NEW
*. PS3 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (BEST) 1800 / NEW
*. PS2 Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII International (ULTIMATE) 1700 / NEW
*. PS2 Drakengard (ULTIMATE) 750 / NEW
*. PS2 Drakengard 2 (ULTIMATE) 700 / NEW


Bar Chart Sep 1-7 (thanks to JoshuaJSlone/garaph.info)

2008-09-01

Note: Image may be delayed from the time of this post, but will automatically show once the data is ready.


Recent Famitsu Top 30s

Aug 4-17, 2008
Aug 18-24, 2008
Aug 25-31, 2008
 
btw, anyone notice that the mid-year increase in 360 sales started around the time unofficial/official preorders for Vesperia started?

I think the first reported unofficial preorders started around 6/12 give or take and the official preorders started around 6/25....
 
jimbo said:
If this "rise from mediocracy" didn't bother some people, my statements would have simply been ignored and there wouldn't have been a big deal about it. If not, I don't see what the problem is with all this. For the sake of the argument let's say the 360 will remain in a distant 3rd place. All I care to see is make a niche for itself and continue to have games that sell over 100k, and continued Japanese third party support. Because in the end, that's what I really care about. Continued Japanese third party support. To me, personally, it selling 1.5-2 million LTD would constitute MS finally being able to break into a tough Japanese market, and that many would argue is a success. It assures that when the successor of the 360 hits over there, it will have a user base to launch to, and actually have a chance at making a run for it. The 360 in Japan is the equivalent of the Xbox in the US. The only difference is the Xbox didn't also have the task of having to wipe out a previous failure and THEN turn things around. It built on what momentum the Xbox had. The 360 has the chance of gaining credibility from the Japanese for future consoles in the same way.

What I don't understand is why being excited and celebrating decent sales for this console in Japan is still such a NO-NO on GAF.

PS: I would like to discuss with you what "DISTANT" means to me, but I think that may be way too much for this forum to take in one week if I start pointint it out. I'll wait until some people get accustomed to the 360 outselling the PS3 over there on a more regular basis.
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That 100k line reminds me of a former poster, he used a different number but otherwise remarkably alike. Anyways, if all you care about is 360 making a niche and getting support for that niche and not whether it'll be a distant third I don't understand why you would flip at my initial post. You know the one where I basically said that this was possible even with games like ToV and IU not selling well in the west (when the strategy was to appeal to a western audience to make up for lackluster JP sales).

And how is the 360 the equivalent to the XBox in the US? Even with mindshare and momentum? How can they have both to the same extent when the sales and thus the exposure is not as high as XBox's were in the US (adjusted to the population)? I don't think XBox in the US was a niche product like the 360 is in Japan.

It's not about being excited, no one would've given a second thought over posts that just showed genuine excitement. You made assertions on the situation of 360 and ToV sales for instance and we're discusssing these. Yeah, I know discussions on a message board - the nerve!

dis·tant: far behind <finished a distant third>
Not much explaining needed I guess.

reg·u·lar: regular, normal, typical, natural mean being of the sort or kind that is expected as usual, ordinary, or average. regular stresses conformity to a rule, standard, or pattern <the club's regular monthly meeting>
I don't think your "there will be some weeks this year where 360 will outsell PS3" fits the definition of regular, but I'm not a native speaker.

jimbo said:
And that's where they failed. LO did just that. And don't tell me its not fair because it was published by MS, because so was BD and that saw the same fate. all JRPG's with cute cartoon looks suffer from this in the US. So did Eternal Sonata. FFXIII will blow what LO did out of the water.

Let's disect ToV.
Japanimation? Check.
Shit marketing in the US? Check.
So-so reviews? Check.
Unappealing teenage characters? Check.
B-quality game? Deffinitely.
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What about ToS then? Did it not have a cute cartoon look? Did all of your points not apply to it as well? And we'll see what ToS Wii will do, with the same look and being a spin-off of even lower quality (and I'm sure it'll get worse reviews too). By your assumption it would sell a couple of thousand units. All you're trying to do is to defend the bad sales of ToV in the west to justify your assertion of it being a success. It's not.

Tenbatsu said:
38. [WII] Wario Land: Shake It! (Nintendo)
48. [WII] Fatal Frame: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse (Nintendo)

Yeah still there!:D
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In a week like this it probably means 1-2k sales though.
 
PantherLotus: Just FYI, it looks like there a two differnet figures in your charts for PS3 LTD. ~2.15M and ~2.3M. Is that just an error, or am I missing something?
 
donny2112 said:
*slaps you*



He's right. I discussed as much with duckroll around that time. I wouldn't say 2-3K weeks (barring shortages) are gone for good, but I don't see them coming back anytime soon.

I still consider 1 million to be a longshot and 2 million to be out of the question, but the ragging on jimbo is way out of proportion for the majority of his statements.
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Are you suggesting his the victim here? I mean really just because he had a little faith in the 360, doesn't mean he can prance around like his Nostradamus saying he predicted it. Any idiot can do the exact same thing, the 360 can only go up from the numbers it was doing. If his really that confident why didn't he gave us numbers before this week came about. He's like doicare, they only come when the numbers or charts support their theory, and they're gone every other time.
 
2600 said:
PantherLotus: Just FYI, it looks like there a two differnet figures in your charts for PS3 LTD. ~2.15M and ~2.3M. Is that just an error, or am I missing something?
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Great eye. I have no idea where the error is from. ~2.3m is correct. It'll take some time to do the correction in my chart setups.
 
rykomatsu said:
btw, anyone notice that the mid-year increase in 360 sales started around the time unofficial/official preorders for Vesperia started?
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It was also around the time Microsoft announced/showed a bunch of upcoming RPGs. Announcements don't usually cause significant bumps, but when you're looking at 2K or less normally, a small, absolute increase of 2-3K is relatively huge. In the end, I'm not 100% sure why the 360 started getting its prolonged sales boost, but I kind of doubt it was just related to Vesperia coming out soon. It probably mixed in there somewhere, though. :)
 
If I were making jimbo's argument for him, this is the chart I would use:

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Significant change recently, huh. I may have to reconsider.

And just ignore those bumps last year around this time.
 
BishopLamont said:
Are you suggesting his the victim here?
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I'm saying that the ragging on him is out of proportion to the outlandishness of the majority of his statements.

As for numbers, do you not remember his ordeal to get a chart together before Vesperia's release showing (admittedly shortsighted) trending of 360 to pass up the PS3 even without Vesperia's release? He hasn't shyed away from concrete discussion, and I personally see little worth in comparing predictions of the average 360 sales for the next 6 months. Total for September? Sure. Average through next April? Not so much.
 
I know, it's pointless. I'm just trying to get him to say that he thinks that this change will magically change the 360's fortune, which he didn't bite. But hell, on this very page he made a serious post about how the 360 could eventually pass the PS3.

About asking for averages from next April: I'm asking for long term impact. I say that next April will be just like the past 2 Aprils. He thinks they will be around 6x that. That's all I'm saying.
 
PantherLotus said:
on this very page he made a serious post about how the 360 could eventually pass the PS3.
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It was in the same vein as JoshuaJSlone's posts, but I agree he seemed a little more optimistic for the possibility than is probably warranted. :P Since I consider 2 million to be out of the question, passing up the PS3 at ~3 million ...

As for long-term impact, we probably won't know that until ~ February. 360 could be back to 2-3K by then or it could stay in the 5-6K range. It could go either way. The PS3+Advent Children bundle certainly won't help the 360's chances any, though.
 
PantherLotus said:
Great eye. I have no idea where the error is from. ~2.3m is correct. It'll take some time to do the correction in my chart setups.
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Gotcha. All that number wranglin' is bound to turn up a mismatch now and then.
 
donny2112 said:
It was in the same vein as JoshuaJSlone's posts, but I agree he seemed a little more optimistic for the possibility than is probably warranted. :P Since I consider 2 million to be out of the question, passing up the PS3 at ~3 million ...

As for long-term impact, we probably won't know that until ~ February. 360 could be back to 2-3K by then or it could stay in the 5-6K range. It could go either way. The PS3+Advent Children bundle certainly won't help the 360's chances any, though.
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Yeah, it pretty much was the same as JJ's, but JJ has credibilty. :P

Long Term Impact: of COURSE it could go either way, 2-3k or 5-6k...but we all know that. His posts throughout this thread have suggested that it will be much higher, but without making any assertions that could be cutely quoted a week after he was shown to be incorrect, which I have a problem with.

Because I'm wrong all the time, and have no problem with that, and I readily admit it when I am. I have no problem throwing out a prediction when we have this much data to work with.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
The new model has been announced and is about three weeks from release. I'd expect sales of the 2000 to be a bit slower in the meantime. If it had some decent games released recently, it might have bucked that, but there's been virtually nothing since P*P. Dissidia + 3000 should have it looking healthy again for a little while.
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Macross Ace Frontier? Gundam vs Gundam? There is at least a few more big titles (>100k sales) in the upcoming months, not just Dissidia.


gtj1092 said:
So they were deciding on Ps3 exclusivity or multiplatform development but as they started developing the title the discovered the merits of developing it exclusively for the 360. :lol
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And a significant portion of these "merits" came "directly" from MS :lol
 
PantherLotus said:
If I were making jimbo's argument for him, this is the chart I would use:

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Significant change recently, huh. I may have to reconsider.

And just ignore those bumps last year around this time.
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PS3 and Wii lines are switched.
 
I think the hd consoles and their tiny userbases may be inadvertently hurting japanese developers. Theres this movement to try and make up for forseeable loss in the japanese market by sending it to the west. I have to wonder if the localization and marketing costs completely nullify the meager sales they end up garnering. Capcom got it right by making franchises suited to american tastes. But as someone who loves the wacky jappy its disheartning to see those sensibilities brushed aside. Its getting to the point where it seems the major players are going to have to give up on their homeland and will focus on games americans want. But then theyre competing for attention with seasoned vet western developers.

I also dont understand their resistance to simply putting their AAA teams on wii projects. Wii software sales outside of first party offerings arent phenomenal, but when theyre eeirly congruent with the numbers on another platform (ToS2 vs TOV) why not take the affordable route?
 
39. [PS2] Persona 4 (Atlus Co.)
I'm pretty surprised by P4 showing. Ranking since 3 weeks ago to this week: #34, #38, #30, #39...I wonder how close it is to 300k. An Atlus title doesn't break 300k since 1996 with the first Persona, although Persona 4 already is the best selling Atlus title since that one.


Btw, PSP Gundam vs Gundam edition was revealed already:
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Limited Edition PSP 3000 Silver - 24.800Y (with the game of course)

Recap of PSP notable lineup when it gets its motors running again:

10/09 Macross Ace Frontier

10/16 Yuusha no Kuse ni Namaikida Or 2 (also available for download at PSP PSN)
10/16 PSP 3000 launch (Black, White, Silver in Core and Value Packs)

10/23 Bleach: Soul Carnival (also available for download at PSP PSN)

11/20 Kidou Senshi Gundam: Gundam vs. Gundam
11/20 Kidou Senshi Gundam: Gundam vs. Gundam PSP 3000 Silver Limited Edition
11/20 Prinny: Ore ga Shujinkou de Iinsuka?

11/27 Higurashi Daybreak Portable
11/27 Kenka Banchou 3: Zenkoku Seiha
11/27 Musou Orochi: Maou Sairin
11/27 Patapon 2: Don-Chaka (also available for download at PSP PSN)
11/27 Patapon 2: Don-Chaka PSP 3000 (Color not confirmed, LE most likely)

12/18 Dissidia: Final Fantasy
12/18 Dissidia: Final Fantasy PSP 3000 (Color not confirmed, LE most likely)

Few things to wonder: why the hell doesn't Sony bring Namaikida here?, will Patapon 2 and Dissidia LE PSP be Black and White so they keep the colors joker card for later on? why do they cramp all games into 2 consecutive weeks?
 
It'd be so rad if the Dissidia PSP was pink :X

The Gundam VS Gundam one is okay looking... but not near as awesome as that Zeon flag one was.
 
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