Stormbringer
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For information, at least, Nintendo are publishing Z&W in Europe.
Like Joshua said, Media-Create was chosen by GAF primarily for it's speed, not it's accuracy. Whenever there's a significant discrepancy between MC and Famitsu/Enterbrain it's probably a good idea to make note of it and assume the truth is somewhere in between.perfectchaos007 said:Because Cheesemeister says so. Or else he would post famitsu
Obaid said:i wish they realse Z&W on ps2 so i can play it on my ps3 They would sell a lot of Z&W to the ps3 audience with BC :lol
Pureauthor said:Do we really need to discuss why ZnW bombed? I could've given you the laundry list of reasons why it would tank saleswise the day after it was announced.
Rancid Mildew said:That's the part that worries me the most.
I can't be certain since I'm not privy to the inner workings of the big third party developers but I'd imagine that Zack and Wiki is the first litmus test (and the only one on the horizon?) that they would use to decide whether or not they should green light original projects for the Wii. I suppose games like Crystal Bearers and Umbrella Chronicles will still sell tremendously well but that's only because they carry the Final Fantasy and Resident Evil name. I can't imagine how a Square or Capcom executive could endorse an original product for the Wii if games like Zack and Wiki bomb.
If the Wii stays a cesspool of cheap cash ins and spin offs with once in a blue moon 1st party genius, the only one to blame is Nintendo. They should definitely take notice of what's been happening in the west. Original efforts like Gears of War did not become phenomenal hits without any assistance. Of course, Nintendo probably just doesn't care since they are rolling in cash with virtually no help from third parties.
kurosawa said:What puzzles me is that GAF tends to be a representation of gamers worldwide by cheering everything that is "recycled", from Nights 2 to SF4 and ignore, at least until some new IP is successful, everything else.
Here, in a comunity of gamers, in the day Zack & Wiki launched in the US, even with all that campaigns "buy Z&W", there were people asking what was that all about and if it was worth it. Imagine this, on a worldwide scale and with much less curiosity to find something new.
Oh, and show me a new IP that did great on sales this year.
Stormbringer said:For information, at least, Nintendo are publishing Z&W in Europe.
I wouldn't worry about it honestly... Capcom's had multiple original IP bombs on PS2 (auto modellista, Chaos Legion, Everblue, Haunting Ground, Glass Rose, God Hand, Okami, Beastdown, Shadow of Rome, Under the Skin, Maximo, etc, etc), but that didn't keep them from continually trying on the platform or even from trying again with sequels to some of these games. Market forces alone mean Wii's going to get more chances from Capcom than just Z&W.Rancid Mildew said:That's the part that worries me the most.
I can't be certain since I'm not privy to the inner workings of the big third party developers but I'd imagine that Zack and Wiki is the first litmus test (and the only one on the horizon?) that they would use to decide whether or not they should green light original projects for the Wii. I suppose games like Crystal Bearers and Umbrella Chronicles will still sell tremendously well but that's only because they carry the Final Fantasy and Resident Evil name. I can't imagine how a Square or Capcom executive could endorse an original product for the Wii if games like Zack and Wiki bomb.
If the Wii stays a cesspool of cheap cash ins and spin offs with once in a blue moon 1st party genius, the only one to blame is Nintendo. They should definitely take notice of what's been happening in the west. Original efforts like Gears of War did not become phenomenal hits without any assistance. Of course, Nintendo probably just doesn't care since they are rolling in cash with virtually no help from third parties.
Hcoregamer00 said:Bioshock? (unless you are talking about Japan only)
In Japan? Layton.kurosawa said:Oh, and show me a new IP that did great on sales this year.
Hcoregamer00 said:Bioshock? (unless you are talking about Japan only)
Kurosaki Ichigo said:First day sales
. 15,000 PS3 Imabikisou
. . 6,000 PS3 The Eye of Judgement
kurosawa said:I'm talking generally, although Japan seems like the worst case scenario.
I just want to make a ratio sucess/new ips on console games.
brain_stew said:Really? That's great news, if they give it the same treatment as they did Trauma Center (which had a decent marketing push with some nice adverts) and keep the budget price then it could see some deserved sales. I think its a title that has potential to sell *if* it is marketed well, and NOE seem to be quite good at that nowadays.
Jokeropia said:Where's the Cheesemeister formated hardware sales, btw?
Kurosaki Ichigo said:First day sales
100,000 NDS Final Fantasy Tactics A2
. 50,000 PS2 Ar Tonelico 2
. 15,000 PS2 God of War 2
. 15,000 PS3 Imabikisou
. 10,000 NDS Code Geass
. . 8,000 WII Ghost Squad
. . 6,000 NDS Winning Eleven DS
. . 6,000 WII Takarajima Z (Zack and Wiki)
. . 6,000 PS3 The Eye of Judgement
. . 5,000 PS2 Fivb Volley Worldcup
. . 4,000 NDS Gurren Lagann
. . 4,000 PS2 Hitman Reborn!!
. . 4,000 PS2 Balder Bullet
. . 4,000 WII Gintama
. . 3,000 NDS Apathy
. . 3,000 PS2 Virtual-On
. . 3,000 360 Bladestorm
. . 1,500 WII DDR Hottest Party
. . 1,000 NDS Dungeon Maker
wow wow wow
kurosawa said:What puzzles me is that GAF tends to be a representation of gamers worldwide by cheering everything that is "recycled", from Nights 2 to SF4 and ignore, at least until some new IP is successful, everything else.
Here, in a comunity of gamers, in the day Zack & Wiki launched in the US, even with all that campaigns "buy Z&W", there were people asking what was that all about and if it was worth it. Imagine this, on a worldwide scale and with much less curiosity to find something new.
Oh, and show me a new IP that did great on sales this year.
jarrod said:I wouldn't worry about it honestly... Capcom's had multiple original IP bombs on PS2 (auto modellista, Chaos Legion, Everblue, Haunting Ground, Glass Rose, God Hand, Okami, Beastdown, Shadow of Rome, Under the Skin, Maximo, etc, etc), but that didn't keep them from continually trying on the platform or even from trying again with sequels to some of these games. Market forces alone mean Wii's going to get more chances from Capcom than just Z&W.
What's this game's performance will impact is the future of the core team that made it. 2 bombs in a row isn't a good sign.
No problem.Cheesemeister said:I was at work 'til late last night, sorry. I'll post it when I get a chance, maybe over lunch today.
Rancid Mildew said:From the terrible name to the lack of generated hype, there just isn't enough draw, even for the informed buyer to jump with the product. I suppose the fact that it comes from an unpopular genre mitigates that slightly but even I, a follower of point and click adventures would not be paying much attention if IGN didn't do anything. That tells me that Nintendo and Capcom just didn't do enough to promote the product. I never expected it to be even a half-million seller globally but at the very least, there should be enough marketing where I can know what the game is and when it's coming out without help from a game review website. At least on this message board, IGN has done more than Capcom and Nintendo combined ten times over.
PS2's winding down, 360's DOA and Wii's assurred to be the first place console by a huge margin in Japan. If Wii has to look out for anything, it's DS eating the market wholesale.Rancid Mildew said:Do you really think so? MS is a company that is willing to finance and market exclusives (though perhaps not so much anymore) and the PS2 is still selling third party software better than the Wii in Japan. If anything, I'd imagine that market forces are working against the Wii at least in the short term.
jarrod said:PS2's winding down, 360's DOA and Wii's assurred to be the first place console by a huge margin in Japan. If Wii has to look out for anything, it's DS eating the market wholesale.
I guess. :lolmckmas8808 said:And the PS3 is the HD console to buy in Japan. That does account for something. Regular console games will be PS2 and Wii. HD console games will be bought on the PS3.
mckmas8808 said:And the PS3 is the HD console to buy in Japan. That does account for something. Regular console games will be PS2 and Wii. HD console games will be bought on the PS3.
And the X360 is the MS console to buy in Japan, for whatever that accounts for.mckmas8808 said:And the PS3 is the HD console to buy in Japan. That does account for something.
Obaid said:i wish they realse Z&W on ps2 so i can play it on my ps3 They would sell a lot of Z&W to the ps3 audience with BC :lol
PhoenixDark said:So what's the spin on Z&W's poor performance?
I think the spin is, "we said 'bomba' the moment it was announced," but I'm not totally sure because I haven't been keeping up with this thread.PhoenixDark said:So what's the spin on Z&W's poor performance?
Segata Sanshiro said:It's my personal opinion that when a great game bombs out hard, it's always a marketing problem. You can make all the excuses in the world, but if the game is fun to play, it should sell if you find a way to get the market for it to notice.
Look at Katamari Damacy in NA. It couldn't have been more of a quirky, weird, mismatched to the market title, but they packaged it right, for the right price, to the right people and it was a bigger seller here than in Japan.
Zack & Wiki is a marketing failure. You can say that it seemed obvious it wouldn't sell from the get-go, and it did have a lot of obstacles to be sure, but Phoenix Wright alone should be enough to buck any of those excuses. Find a way to sell it.
Japan hates freedomPhoenixDark said:So what's the spin on Z&W's poor performance?
kurosawa said:What puzzles me is that GAF tends to be a representation of gamers worldwide by cheering everything that is "recycled", from Nights 2 to SF4
Segata Sanshiro said:It's my personal opinion that when a great game bombs out hard, it's always a marketing problem.
Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 70,608 | 78,746 | 5,727,345 | 19,733,024
2. PSP - 58,669 | 59,584 | 2,066,468 | 6,598,597
3. WII - 24,932 | 20,575 | 2,760,765 | 3,680,408
4. PS3 - 17,130 | 12,365 | 752,425 | 1,209,983
5. PS2 - 10,281 | 10,181 | 627,823 | 20,782,682
6. 360 - 3,011 | 6,161 | 161,508 | 426,210
7. GBA - 270 | 187 | 48,556 | 15,346,635
8. NGC - 48 | 79 | 10,021 | 4,179,489
jarrod said:PS2's winding down, 360's DOA and Wii's assurred to be the first place console by a huge margin in Japan. If Wii has to look out for anything, it's DS eating the market wholesale.
Jokeropia said:Also, can you see how many of the available Wiis come with the new Wiimote jackets?
Jokeropia said:Awesome Vinnk, thanks! Your impressions seem to support the assumption that Zack and Wiki had a pretty low initial shipment, does anyone know how large it was?
Hm, this is a bit disconcerting.Vinnk said:3. There is some Super Mario Galaxy hype. A few kiosks have been put up but compared to the massive hype for Final Fantasy 7:CC it is quite small. I am actually surprised by the small amount of advertising in the game stores.
Vinnk said:"Vinnk's Village" Anecdotal Report
9. Longtime Vinnks Village readers might remember Old Reliable the Playstation 3 at Famicom Dojo that I became kind of attached to. It was a constant fixture in Hiros shop from launch until someone bought it last May. Well, its back! The man who bought the system has sold it back to Hiro. He also sold back the 2 Gundam games he bought with it as well as FolksSoul and Minna no Golf. Hiro told me that at first he didnt want to take it back because he had such a hard time getting rid of it in the first place, but the guy eventually sold it to him for a fraction of what he paid for it.
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