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Media Create Sales: 11 - 17 Dec (Nintendo shows MC its Pokemans)
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jamesinclair
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Have any new Wii or PS3 games come out since their launches?
Is Wario Ware really on sale in Japan?
Whats wrong with it? Also, is this Puyo coming to the US, and whats special about it? I skipped Fever because I was waiting for online.
This is going to be interesting. It will be a large red flag if the PSP doesn't do over 100k once in the next three weeks.
Is Wario Ware really on sale in Japan?
Jonnyram said:Puyo Puyo's been recalled by the way.
A hell of a bug was found
Whats wrong with it? Also, is this Puyo coming to the US, and whats special about it? I skipped Fever because I was waiting for online.
AniHawk said:
This is going to be interesting. It will be a large red flag if the PSP doesn't do over 100k once in the next three weeks.
ethelred said:
Your requirements are consistent, but I think 5 different people already argued about how realistic they are. Either way, that's just one person, everyone seems to have their own standards, and there's no consistency across GAF as a whole as to what is a success and what am bomba total.
Pureauthor
Member
justchris said:
:lol :lol :lol
Rancid Mildew
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Interesting. This indicates that the Wii sold pretty well looking at the Pokemon Battle Revolution sales.
I'm not understanding all the Zelda doom though. It's just one game that is doing bad in a region. This isn't going to herald the death of console gaming nor will it bring with it the death of the franchise. As long as it performs well elsewhere, we shall see another quality and epic Zelda from Nintendo.
This talk about the destruction of console gaming is balderdash. As I recall, the Gameboy line has always outsold consoles regularly yet it never really detracted from the overall console experience. This chart seems normal to me except for the fact that the DS brought with it a new genre.
I'm not understanding all the Zelda doom though. It's just one game that is doing bad in a region. This isn't going to herald the death of console gaming nor will it bring with it the death of the franchise. As long as it performs well elsewhere, we shall see another quality and epic Zelda from Nintendo.
This talk about the destruction of console gaming is balderdash. As I recall, the Gameboy line has always outsold consoles regularly yet it never really detracted from the overall console experience. This chart seems normal to me except for the fact that the DS brought with it a new genre.
PantherLotus
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Dragmire said:
Do you think that part of the problem is that it was originally a GC game?
Metalmark74
Member
gamergirly said:
The (real) PlayStation portable! :lol
PantherLotus
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ethelred said:
They have Crystalis, right? Earthbound? Icarus?
They don't have to do Zelda.
PantherLotus said:
They've got The Adventure Franchise, The Action Franchise, The Shooter Franchise, The Platformer Franchise, The RPG Franchise, The SRPG Franchise, and The "Fill-in-the-Blanks" Franchise.
True, they don't have to do Zelda, but again, it's Nintendo. I'd love to see Eiji's team given the freedom to go wild and create a totally new adventure game with some new ideas... but they're just going to make another Zelda.
There are, generally, two types of games:
1) Immersive Games- These games focus on withdrawing you from the real world to put you in an immersive world. You play these games alone in a dark room. These games focus on graphics, sounds, and other elements (such as extensions to a home theater) to help immerse you. These games tend to be more 'epic'.
2) Supplement Games- These games are not interested in replacing your life, but supplementing it. These games tend to be shorter, easier to use, but more useful. Brain Age is a perfect example of this since the game was not trying to remove you from the real world, it was to help you in the real world (by improving your brain).
You can really see the split in entertainment philosophies of how Sony is fully embracing immersion while Nintendo is embracing supplement gaming. The Wii's channels, like the Forcast Channel and News Channel, are there to supplement your real life. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo came out with a Stock Channel or Banking Channel. Contrast this with the Playstation 3 that is focused on providing cinema experiences from both games and movies.
The trend for Japan is clearly toward supplement gaming. This is why people would rather play Wii-Sports over Zelda or Brain Age over PSP games. Animal Crossing DS did outsell Final Fantasy 12 in Japan after all.
This trend towards supplement gaming in Japan is exactly what Yamauchi predicted years ago.
There is a silver lining to you core gamers: 2d gaming is back. Those NSMB sales are incredible which ought to give us some sequels. Zelda DS could sell gangbusters where Zelda TP could not. 2d gaming > 3d gaming in Japan at the moment (and hopefully the rest of the world soon). <3
1) Immersive Games- These games focus on withdrawing you from the real world to put you in an immersive world. You play these games alone in a dark room. These games focus on graphics, sounds, and other elements (such as extensions to a home theater) to help immerse you. These games tend to be more 'epic'.
2) Supplement Games- These games are not interested in replacing your life, but supplementing it. These games tend to be shorter, easier to use, but more useful. Brain Age is a perfect example of this since the game was not trying to remove you from the real world, it was to help you in the real world (by improving your brain).
You can really see the split in entertainment philosophies of how Sony is fully embracing immersion while Nintendo is embracing supplement gaming. The Wii's channels, like the Forcast Channel and News Channel, are there to supplement your real life. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo came out with a Stock Channel or Banking Channel. Contrast this with the Playstation 3 that is focused on providing cinema experiences from both games and movies.
The trend for Japan is clearly toward supplement gaming. This is why people would rather play Wii-Sports over Zelda or Brain Age over PSP games. Animal Crossing DS did outsell Final Fantasy 12 in Japan after all.
This trend towards supplement gaming in Japan is exactly what Yamauchi predicted years ago.
There is a silver lining to you core gamers: 2d gaming is back. Those NSMB sales are incredible which ought to give us some sequels. Zelda DS could sell gangbusters where Zelda TP could not. 2d gaming > 3d gaming in Japan at the moment (and hopefully the rest of the world soon). <3
That's exactly why they can also make the Wii a big success. It does not need to have brain games like the DS, instead it can have some other type of games that will also attract everyone interested in have a Wii as supplementary device. Exercise games are a great example and could really take off on Wii.Lapsed said:
Mithos Yggdrasill
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I don't understand the point: why Zelda is bombing so hard in Japan ? It is an incredible game, and evenin Zelda has never been in last years a million seller, it doesn't mean that it has to fail like that.
Perhaps to launch a Zelda's game with the console is only a smart move in Europe and USA, where, thanks God, Zelda is selling like hotcakes.
Or perhaps Wii sold something like 50-60k and Zelda is around 10-20k.
I don't understand what is the problem. Too realistic ? Another possibility is that the Wii has been bought overall by casual and non-gamers and not by who had the Gamecube, for example.
Anyway, I'm very disappointed by Zelda's performance and I don't understand what's wrong with it in Japan.
Perhaps to launch a Zelda's game with the console is only a smart move in Europe and USA, where, thanks God, Zelda is selling like hotcakes.
Or perhaps Wii sold something like 50-60k and Zelda is around 10-20k.
I don't understand what is the problem. Too realistic ? Another possibility is that the Wii has been bought overall by casual and non-gamers and not by who had the Gamecube, for example.
Anyway, I'm very disappointed by Zelda's performance and I don't understand what's wrong with it in Japan.
Pureauthor
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Terrell said:
Phoenix Wright, and Lunar Knights.
PantherLotus
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Lapsed said:
I see a parallel to the emergence of Television as a dominant/complimentary medium next to film/theaters. This is interesting.
Gyakuten Saiban 4 is taking a LONG time to release, and Lunar Knights is Boktai. It's a nice start, but we had to be inundated with Megaman and Castlevania to get there... and I anticipate 5 more Megaman games and 2 more Castlevania games on DS before we get another game worth talking about from either company... if ever.Pureauthor said:Phoenix Wright, and Lunar Knights.
DownLikeBCPowder
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Terrell said:
Ports or not, how is Phoenix Wright something to scoff at?
LanceStern
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Zelda has not even hit 300k yet and it is OUT of the TOp 30
GAF calls it a bomb.
It is bombing hard.
I wish I could just slap every single Japanese Wii/GCN owner and yell at them as to why they are not picking up Zelda... it's the BEST version out there since OOT and yet they don't get it. They just don't get it.
N64 Majoras Mask < 600k
GBA Link to the Past < 400k
GBA Minish Cap < 300k
GCN Wind Waker < 900k
Wii Twilight Princess < 250k
This is a sad day for me. At least Mario, Pokemon D/P and Kirby's performance has me hopeful
GAF calls it a bomb.
It is bombing hard.
I wish I could just slap every single Japanese Wii/GCN owner and yell at them as to why they are not picking up Zelda... it's the BEST version out there since OOT and yet they don't get it. They just don't get it.
N64 Majoras Mask < 600k
GBA Link to the Past < 400k
GBA Minish Cap < 300k
GCN Wind Waker < 900k
Wii Twilight Princess < 250k
This is a sad day for me. At least Mario, Pokemon D/P and Kirby's performance has me hopeful
DefectiveReject
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JesusLanceStern said:
Its been out a couple of weeks and theres no Wiis available for anyone to buy.
Its sold to around 50% of what user base there is in Japan. And in Europe and USA its selling very well. Stop worrying. This is the problem with selling a game from launch with no hardware!
Kobun Heat
Member
Ok, seriously, what the hell is wrong with you guys that you think a 50% tie ratio is a bomb? You're nuts.
DefectiveReject
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Like I said yesterdayKobun Heat said:
This forum has gone to bat shit just recently.
soundwave05
Member
Kid Icarus using Zelda's cell shading engine would kick ass as an adventure game on the Wii IMO.
PantherLotus
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Well the first thing I wonder about Zelda's chances at success is what the percentage of people that actually have a Wii have purchased it?
The next question is if Nintendo can keep a 50% ratio of Zelda-to-Wii sales as they increase production and availability. That's the question of the hour if you ask me.
The last question at the moment that everybody should be asking in relation to the Wii is what non-Nintendo productions have a chance at making a splash in JPN? That one report/rumor suggested that the big guns wouldn't come out until Christmas, leaving a whole year for the 3rd parties to have their way, assuming the rumor is true. Yeah?
The next question is if Nintendo can keep a 50% ratio of Zelda-to-Wii sales as they increase production and availability. That's the question of the hour if you ask me.
The last question at the moment that everybody should be asking in relation to the Wii is what non-Nintendo productions have a chance at making a splash in JPN? That one report/rumor suggested that the big guns wouldn't come out until Christmas, leaving a whole year for the 3rd parties to have their way, assuming the rumor is true. Yeah?
British Monsoon
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Microsoft just need to give up on that ungrateful little backwater called Japan and release all their Japanese developed games straight into English - games like Lost Planet, Blue Dragon and even Culdcept are bound to sell far much more over here than there.
Aside from the normal talk that Zelda isn't as popular in Japan as it is in the Western world, don't forget that Twilight Princess is MUCH more US-oriented in its graphics and overall difficulty. Even though I personally found the game easy throughout, I did at least die a few times in it - something which I never, ever did in the entirety of Wind Waker.
Also,
I had no problems with Wind Waker being celshaded (in fact it's one of the things I would not complain about in relation to that game), so if it was to go back to that graphic style but keep the same fantastic design, expansive world, storytelling and everything else that makes Twilight Princess so fantastic, I'd be happy and so would the Japanese public it seems.
Also,
Tingle is nowhere to be found in the game. Japan loves Tingle. Just look at Tingle RPG sales.
I had no problems with Wind Waker being celshaded (in fact it's one of the things I would not complain about in relation to that game), so if it was to go back to that graphic style but keep the same fantastic design, expansive world, storytelling and everything else that makes Twilight Princess so fantastic, I'd be happy and so would the Japanese public it seems.
PantherLotus
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back to the "japan hates difficult games" stereotype? didn't it used to be the other way around?
soundwave05
Member
I think the main problem is there just aren't enough Wii systems to go around. Perhaps Nintendo should have launched a little earlier in Japan so they could have had a larger install base going into the December rush.
You can't sell software if people can't get your system. I'm baffled as to why Nintendo is having such a hard time with Wii supply. They started manufacturing systems last summer.
You can't sell software if people can't get your system. I'm baffled as to why Nintendo is having such a hard time with Wii supply. They started manufacturing systems last summer.
Battersea Power Station
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Yeah, I remember when the US got easier versions of games and crap. Now, Japan gets Viewtiful Joe Sweet mode and other weaksauce stuff.PantherLotus said:
SovanJedi said:
I don't think that's the problem. This is not the gamecube audience that's buying the wii right now... Not the majority of them.
TP would have sold just fine on the cube if it had been released in a timley fashion... I think the majority of the wii owners in japan are the DS "touch generation" people... Or as i called them earlier in this thread "Hardcore non-gamers"..
These people are not the same people that bought a gamecube.
Some of the people in japan that bought a wii are regular nintendo fans... those are the people that bought zelda. The rest of them come from the DS pool and they have completley different tastes. It's a good sign for nintendo believe it or not... it suggests that japan see's the wii as being connected to the DS and that's exactly what nintendo hoped would happen.
The situation in america is very different. The DS is popular here, but i think the "touch generation" audience is still in the minority, even on the DS.
I think a larger number of american wii buyers from last months NPD fall into two catagories.. former ps2 owners and former cube owners. That's why the zelda tie ratio was so high... It's a highly regarded traditional game and the traditional gaming audience where the only ones hyped enough about the wii to get in line and beat the rush.
I think wii sports will have attracted a new audience through word of mouth over the last several weeks and by the time decembers NPD numbers come out zelda's tie ration is likley to drop significantly.