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[HK-47]

My classmate uses an R4 and has never gotten local multiplayer to work either.

R4 sucks for multiplayer...the newer cards like the Cyclo and G6 have near perfect multiplayer functionality though. Its one of the big selling points for the new cards.

 

[apujanata]

How is that? It's not like the games have to include a shoddy modem or anything?

It seems the pirating process does not get all the code, or maybe there are some additional protection from DS that prevent networking from working right. That pirated copies can play single player game, but not local multiplayer (like the Mario Hoops 3 on 3). Not sure about the internet multiplayer.

To CVX,
R4 can play local multiplayer (like Dragon Quest Heroes : Rocket). Maybe your classmate need to upgrade the R4 OS. The latest version (english) that my friend have is V1.11 (or something like that).

 

[cvxfreak]

Well, I don't support piracy so I'll gladly let my classmate find out for himself.

 

[Fafalada]

I know that there are lots of pirated DS carts. The problem is that they are not as cheap as GBA pirated chart. The pirated ones price is around USD 15 - 20, which is not much different from original, brand new DS carts.

Last I checked, R4 cost around 40$ bundled with a 1GB SD micro. That's a heck of a lot cheaper then GBA rewritable carts used to be in 2003 (70-80$ for tiny 32MB carts).

Non-rewritable pirate carts are a different issue true,(and I know those were huge bussiness in Asia for GBs), but when rewriteable options are this cheap, noone cares.
Heck such alternatives don't even exist on PSP and it does nothing to keep off the piracy.

 

[Lobster]

My classmate uses an R4 and has never gotten local multiplayer to work either.

My girlfriends so called "friend" has an R4 and they do play multiplayer. So does this other girl I know. I feel ashamed for playing multiplayer Cooking Mama 2 from her R4..

 

[apujanata]

My girlfriends so called "friend" has an R4 and they do play multiplayer. So does this other girl I know. I feel ashamed for playing multiplayer Cooking Mama 2 from her R4.

What is the cause of the shame :
- playing "girly" game, even though you are "manly" man ?
- playing multiplayer games against other girls / boys ?
- playing it on R4 ?
- playing and enjoying a "non-game" (I don't think it is a non-game, but maybe you thought so) ?

Last I checked, R4 cost around 40$ bundled with a 1GB SD micro. That's a heck of a lot cheaper then GBA rewritable carts used to be in 2003 (70-80$ for tiny 32MB carts).

Non-rewritable pirate carts are a different issue true,(and I know those were huge bussiness in Asia for GBs), but when rewriteable options are this cheap, noone cares.
Heck such alternatives don't even exist on PSP and it does nothing to keep off the piracy.

I was talking about the non-rewritable pirate carts.

 

[Fafalada]

I feel ashamed for playing multiplayer Cooking Mama 2 from her R4..

To play the devils advocate here, do you know for a fact it's used for bad things?
R4 has lots of very nice perfectly legal uses - from homebrew and added media functionality that is not present on stock DS, to offering convenience of not lugging all your game carts around, but installing them on a stick instead.
In fact, aside for reduced loadtimes, it offers very similar benefits as custom FW on the other portable, so there's nothing inherently bad about owning one.

 

[Lobster]

What is the cause of the shame :
- playing "girly" game, even though you are "manly" man ?
- playing multiplayer games against other girls / boys ?
- playing it on R4 ?
- playing and enjoying a "non-game" (I don't think it is a non-game, but maybe you thought so) ?

Playing multiplayer from an R4. Cooking Mama 2 is a great game, I'd suggest it to anyone..

To play the devils advocate here, do you know for a fact it's used for bad things?
R4 has lots of very nice perfectly legal uses - from homebrew and added media functionality that is not present on stock DS, to offering convenience of not lugging all your game carts around, but installing them on a stick instead.
In fact, aside for reduced loadtimes, it offers very similar benefits as custom FW on the other portable, so there's nothing inherently bad about owning one.

I know for a fact they are using it for bad things :\

 

[Linkup]

This is kind of a mean remark, but the fact is, most of these guys and gals don’t drive in real life and have little interest in cars.

I thought that the fact that they don't drive is why they would play a realistic simulator like GT?

 

[Sharp]

It IS possible that they didn't want to waste money marketing a game that the Japanese public doesn't want, you know...

I don't fucking care. The Japanese public just doesn't know it wants this game because of Nintendo's shoddy marketing. I'm almost starting to think they're looking for excuses not to make awesome games like this anymore. I don't seriously believe it yet, but the signs are all pointing in that direction.

 

[cvxfreak]

If people care for anecdotal evidence (and from what I gather, people at least care to read it), then I can say that this couple at Ginza Bic Camera had a kid holding the SMG case. Then the kid put it back and the parents took MP8 instead (they had Wii Sports and Wii Play in their hands already).

T'was a sad moment.

 

[Lobster]

I don't fucking care. The Japanese public just doesn't know it wants this game because of Nintendo's shoddy marketing. I'm almost starting to think they're looking for excuses not to make awesome games like this anymore. I don't seriously believe it yet, but the signs are all pointing in that direction.

...Its already been confirmed that SMGs marketing was NOT shoddy.

 

[HK-47]

If people care for anecdotal evidence (and from what I gather, people at least care to read it), then I can say that this couple at Ginza Bic Camera had a kid holding the SMG case. Then the kid put it back and the parents took MP8 instead (they had Wii Sports and Wii Play in their hands already).

T'was a sad moment.

Now he shall never experience the awesomeness that is the Toad Brigade =(

 

[Sharp]

If people care for anecdotal evidence (and from what I gather, people at least care to read it), then I can say that this couple at Ginza Bic Camera had a kid holding the SMG case. Then the kid put it back and the parents took MP8 instead (they had Wii Sports and Wii Play in their hands already).

T'was a sad moment.

You should have forced it on him.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Joy. At this rate, I'll get pirated DS games as presents from well-meaning relatives. >_>

Don't worry, if they are really cheap they will just give you a memory card of games they downloaded

:/

 

[kallisto76]

no famitsu numbers this week?

 

[Zzoram]

Japan and Europe have questionable taste.

 

[AniHawk]

Japan and Europe have questionable taste.

Every region has their embarrassing purchase habits. Europe goes bonkers over Sonic, The Simpsons, and FIFA. Japan is crazy for nongames. America loves shitty, soulless FPS games and teenybopper crap and anime and Sonic, The Simpsons, and nongames.

 

[Xeke]

Every region has their embarrassing purchase habits. Europe goes bonkers over Sonic, The Simpsons, and FIFA. Japan is crazy for nongames. America loves shitty, soulless FPS games and teenybopper crap and anime and Sonic, The Simpsons, and nongames.

New Zealand reigns supreme.

 

[The Innocent X]

All of the mainstream worldwide have questionable taste, but then we would say that, because our tastes are different.

 

[Lobster]

no famitsu numbers this week?

Not this early, no. Tomorrow. (well using my aussie time)

 

[VOOK]

New Zealand reigns supreme.

Have you seen your charts lately?

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

'Tales of' breaks 10m units sold worldwide

· As of December 11, 2007.
· Includes regular and budget releases plus worldwide numbers if released
· Date is the japanese one
· 87% sales come from Japan, 8% NA, 3% Europe, 2% Asia

SFC / Tales of Phantasia / 1995/12/15 / 212,000
PSX / Tales of Destiny / 1997/12/23 / 1,139,000
PSX / Tales of Phantasia / 1998/12/23 / 769,000
GBC / Tales of Phantasia Narikiri Dungeon / 2000/11/10 / 136,000
PSX / Tales of Eternia / 2000/11/30 / 873,000
PSX / Tales of Fandom Vol.1 (Cless ver. / Mint ver.) / 2002/1/31 / 94,000
GBA / Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 2 / 2002/10/25 / 184,000
PS2 / Tales of Destiny 2 / 2002/11/28 / 977,000
GBA / Tales of the World ～Summoner's Lineage～ / 2003/3/7 / 100,000
GBA / Tales of Phantasia / 2003/8/1 / 314,000
NGC / Tales of Symphonia / 2003/8/29 / 953,000
PS2 / Tales of Symphonia / 2004/9/22 / 486,000
PS2 / Tales of Rebirth / 2004/12/16 / 605,000
GBA / Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 3 / 2005/1/6 / 123,000
PSP / Tales of Eternia / 2005/3/3 / 398,000
PS2 / Tales of Legendia / 2005/8/25 / 397,000
PS2 / Tales of the Abyss / 2005/12/15 / 734,000
PSP / Tales of Phantasia /Full Voice Edition/ / 2006/9/7 / 136,000
NDS / Tales of the Tempest / 2006/10/26 / 301,000
PS2 / Tales of Destiny / 2006/11/30 / 395,000
PSP / Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology / 2006/12/21 / 305,000
PSP / Tales of Destiny 2 / 2007/2/15 / 129,000
PS2 / Tales of Fandom Vol.2 (Luke ver. / Tear ver.) / 2007/6/28 / 95,000
NDS / Tales of Innocence / 2007/12/6 / 160,000

 

[justjohn]

have they announced a tales game for the wii or ps3?

 

[Frillen]

have they announced a tales game for the wii or ps3?

Tales of Symphonia 2 for the Wii.

 

[Fuu]

have they announced a tales game for the wii or ps3?

Wii, yes. Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk.

 

[Stumpokapow]

'Tales of' breaks 10m units sold worldwide

... awesome sales numbers

Pity that only TOD has broken 1mln with a single release. It's not my fav Tales game to be honest.

 

[justjohn]

cool thanks

 

[Frillen]

Is Final Fantasy IV coming this Thursday?

 

[jarrod]

I thought Symphonia GC had broken 1m actually? Between the US+Japan alone it should be over 800k... maybe Namco's not counting EU sales (since they didn't publish it there?)? I thought I remembered it breaking 200k in EU fairly early on too?

I wish those Tales sales had regional breakdowns...

 

[Link1110]

PSX / Tales of Destiny / 1997/12/23 / 1,139,000
PSX / Tales of Eternia / 2000/11/30 / 873,000
GBA / Tales of Phantasia / 2003/8/1 / 314,000
NGC / Tales of Symphonia / 2003/8/29 / 953,000
PSP / Tales of Eternia / 2005/3/3 / 398,000
PS2 / Tales of Legendia / 2005/8/25 / 397,000
PS2 / Tales of the Abyss / 2005/12/15 / 734,000
PSP / Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology / 2006/12/21 / 305,000

If these are WW numbers, what are the Japanese LTD's for them?

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Many of the numbers are amazingly different to those from Famitsu. See:

SFC / Tales of Phantasia / 1995/12/15 / 212,000
Famitsu: 249k

PSX / Tales of Destiny / 1997/12/23 / 1,139,000
Famitsu: 829k (66k budget)
NA: ???

PSX / Tales of Phantasia / 1998/12/23 / 769,000
Famitsu: 550k (82k budget)

GBC / Tales of Phantasia Narikiri Dungeon / 2000/11/10 / 136,000
Famitsu: 155k

PSX / Tales of Eternia / 2000/11/30 / 873,000
Famitsu: 670k (lack budget release number)
NA: ???

PSX / Tales of Fandom Vol.1 (Cless ver. / Mint ver.) / 2002/1/31 / 94,000
Famitsu: 89k

GBA / Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 2 / 2002/10/25 / 184,000
Famitsu: 186k

PS2 / Tales of Destiny 2 / 2002/11/28 / 977,000
Famitsu: 763k (lacking 2 budget releases numbers)

GBA / Tales of the World ～Summoner's Lineage～ / 2003/3/7 / 100,000
Famitsu: 52k

GBA / Tales of Phantasia / 2003/8/1 / 314,000
Famitsu: 135k
NA: ???
Europe: ???

NGC / Tales of Symphonia / 2003/8/29 / 953,000
Famitsu: 323k
NA: ???
Europe: ???

PS2 / Tales of Symphonia / 2004/9/22 / 486,000
Famitsu: 394k (48k budget release)

PS2 / Tales of Rebirth / 2004/12/16 / 605,000
Famitsu: 596k

GBA / Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 3 / 2005/1/6 / 123,000
Famitsu: 113k

PSP / Tales of Eternia / 2005/3/3 / 398,000
Famitsu: 194k (55k budget release)
Europe: ???

PS2 / Tales of Legendia / 2005/8/25 / 397,000
Famitsu: 343k
NA: ???

PS2 / Tales of the Abyss / 2005/12/15 / 734,000
Famitsu: 556k (lack budget release number)
NA: ???

PSP / Tales of Phantasia /Full Voice Edition/ / 2006/9/7 / 136,000
Famitsu: 111k (lack budget release number)

NDS / Tales of the Tempest / 2006/10/26 / 301,000
Famitsu: 196k

PS2 / Tales of Destiny / 2006/11/30 / 395,000
Famitsu: 367k

PSP / Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology / 2006/12/21 / 305,000
Famitsu: 214k (lack budget release number)
NA: ???
Europe: ???

PSP / Tales of Destiny 2 / 2007/2/15 / 129,000
Famitsu: 114k

PS2 / Tales of Fandom Vol.2 (Luke ver. / Tear ver.) / 2007/6/28 / 95,000
NDS / Tales of Innocence / 2007/12/6 / 160,000
Not updated data for these two.

I thought Symphonia GC had broken 1m actually? Between the US+Japan alone it should be over 800k... maybe Namco's not counting EU sales (since they didn't publish it there?)? I thought I remembered it breaking 200k in EU fairly early on too?

I wish those Tales sales had regional breakdowns...

They are including it, see worldwide with Europe making 3% while Namco didn't publish a single Tales there (2 were Nintendo, 2 Ubisoft).

 

[donny2112]

PSX / Tales of Eternia / 2000/11/30 / 873,000
Famitsu: 670k (lack budget release number)

The BEST release sold 3K its opening week. That's all I have on it.

PS2 / Tales of Fandom Vol.2 (Luke ver. / Tear ver.) / 2007/6/28 / 95,000

Tales of Fandom Vol. 2 was at 45K in its first week and then dropped off the Top 30.

 

[jarrod]

They are including it, see worldwide with Europe making 3% while Namco didn't publish a single Tales there (2 were Nintendo, 2 Ubisoft).

Are tracking outlets like NPD just overestimating Symphonia US then? I can't imagine it moved less than 150k outside the US+Japan? :/

 

[Link1110]

Alright, from the above post and Japanese Wikipedia we have this:

Ths US numbers will be 4/5 of the remainder of any given game to account for Asia/Famitsu discripencies etc.

These are my own personal estimates, I do not claim them as fact.

Destiny PSX
Total - 1,139,000
Japan - 900,000
US - 191,200

Eternia PS1
Total - 873,000
Japan - 700,000 (Liberal estimate)
US - 138,400

Phantasia GBA
Total - 314,000
Japan - 130,000
US - 147,200

Symphonia GCN
Total - 953,000
Japan - 320,000
US - 530,000 (This was already on Wikipedia)

Eternia PSP
Total - 398,000
Japan - 249,000
Europe - 119,200

Legendia
Total - 397,000
Japan - 340,000
US - 45,600

Abyss
Total - 734,000
Japan - 570,000
US - 131,200

Radiant Mythology
Total - 305,000
Japan - 230,000
US - 60,000

 

[gconsole]

87% sales come from Japan, 8% NA, 3% Europe, 2% Asia

Why did Namco even try to translate the game to other language beside japanese :lol

 

[donny2112]

Why did Namco even try to translate the game to other language beside japanese :lol

Please tell me you don't really mean this. You'd rather non-Japanese people didn't have access to Japanese games unless they sell as well outside of Japan as in?

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Are tracking outlets like NPD just overestimating Symphonia US then? I can't imagine it moved less than 150k outside the US+Japan? :/

I don't think we can discuss NPD data (even if it was posted here though), so I'll leave that number aside. Namco shipped 301k ToS to Japan, 204k to Europe.

Why did Namco even try to translate the game to other language beside japanese :lol

They didn't even try, thus why you see such numbers lol (sorry I couldn't resist).

 

[Stumpokapow]

Please tell me you don't really mean this. You'd rather non-Japanese people didn't have access to Japanese games unless they sell as well outside of Japan as in?

And of all the companies to have economic sympathy for... Namco?

 

[charlequin]

NDS / Tales of Innocence / 2007/12/6 / 160,000

This is the good news, right? If it really did 160k already, that means it went on from its opener to fairly quickly sell out its first shipment and (presumably) got reordered.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

This is the good news, right? If it really did 160k already, that means it went on from its opener to fairly quickly sell out its first shipment and (presumably) got reordered.

Thats the amount they shipped until 11th Dec...which looks fairly similar to what sinobi said (150k first shipment). I doubt they could restock in 5 days though, its probably more like 2 weeks.

 

[jarrod]

I don't think we can discuss NPD data (even if it was posted here though), so I'll leave that number aside. Namco shipped 301k ToS to Japan, 204k to Europe.

Must be the case then, as using NPD Symphonia would be well over a million then... what did Namco say to have shipped to NA?

I wonder if these sales maybe don't include budget reprints then? Namco shipped 184k to EU for fiscal 2004... I'd be surprised if the 2005 budget reprint was just 20k then too?

 

[ethelred]

Tales of Symphonia 2 for the Wii.

It's not called that and that's not what it is. Stop using that name.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Must be the case then, as using NPD Symphonia would be well over a million then... what did Namco say to have shipped to NA?

I wonder if these sales maybe don't include budget reprints then? Namco shipped 184k to EU for fiscal 2004... I'd be surprised if the 2005 budget reprint was just 20k then too?

Mmm, I took the 204k from a Namco pdf that seems impossible to find right now with the mess they did while merging Bandai and Namco. I just have it on a txt, so I can't backup either that or the JP shipment, but I'm pretty sure I copied them from the pdfs. I don't remember any budget reprint for Europe though...

http://www.bandainamco.co.jp/en/ir/financial/namco.html
Why doesn't any of these links work? :lol

The japanese one works but my Adobe Reader looks fucked and doesn't want to load any of them:
http://www.bandainamco.co.jp/ir/result/index.html

Aaanyway, data posted here comes from:
http://www.bandainamcogames.co.jp/press/release/pdf/53-026.pdf
That I can't open so I went with this:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20071211/tales.htm
ベスト版なども通常版に含む。(Contains regular and the best versions, etc.)

 

[Magicpaint]

There was no budget reprint for ToS GC in Europe.

 

[jarrod]

There was no budget reprint for ToS GC in Europe.

There wasn't?! Oh yikes, I'm probably way off then. :lol


Using KI's Namco shipment figures, it must be something like...

NA 448k
JP 301k
EU 204k


...then? Was there an official Asian release?


Strange that NPD and all the JP sales trackers over-estimate Symphonia GCN so much then (while they under-represent basically every other Tales according to shipments)? :/

 

[Frillen]

It's not called that and that's not what it is. Stop using that name.

It's not a sequal to Tales of Symphonia? That's news to me.

 

[Moor-Angol]

SMG is still raising on amazon.jp chart, honestly i never saw a game which gained positions after positions (it was around #30-35 some week ago, now it's around #18-20) one month and a half since its release...

 

[schuelma]

It's not a sequal to Tales of Symphonia? That's news to me.

It's what we call in the biz a "spin off"

 

[Kyoufu]

GT5 Prologue is number 1 in terms of software on Amazon chart.

What are the predictions for first week sales?