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Media Create Sales 3/19 - 3/25
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lupin23rd said:
Sony and Microsoft right now have a big problem with titles that may be "for the younger crowd". There are pretty much no tiles for that crowd on those systems and the entry barrier "price" hurts that even more. I'd be surprised if Kingdom hearts was released on the PS3. Yeah little big planet is coming and wow it looks amazing to me and you, but that Madden consumer out there will see it as childish, and thats the crowd Sony and Microsoft are aiming at.
Smiles and Cries
Member
Error said:
Fair enough
So what does it take for Sony to block this from taking place?
What would you do if you ran Sony?
Smiles and Cries
Member
haircut said:
13 is an unlucky number Sony can keep it
norinrad21
Banned
Self-proclaimed "walking doctor" Duke Saraie, 54, and his disciples demonstrate an exercise at a press conference Thursday to announce the release of Nintendo DS software Duke Saraie No Kenko Walking Navi, in which he navigates users to various walking exercises. The software goes on sale May 17
w00t i'm calling this a million seller
Smiles and Cries said:
Yes if it comes with twice the development costs. Here is my test for a system being dead in Japan: would it be insane for a third party to develop a Japan-oriented without getting money from Sony. If the answer is "yes" the system is dead. And the answer is yes.
linsivvi said:
So you agree there is no way PS3 is getting 30% market share: even 8 vs. 20 would not do it.
Smiles and Cries
Member
felipeko said:Well, ask Nintendo, they did that.
no Nintendo had a Fresh start with the Wii - I'm talking about how to save a console once it has be launched for $600
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
The Sphinx said:
Equating Musou Orichi to a Final Fantasy game makes me lawl. Did you read what you typed out?
schuelma said:
that's why i said every other game. OBVIOUSLY wii sports/wii play aren't going to be on PS2 since its made by FREAKIN NINTENDO, just like how Gran Turismo isn't going to be on an MS platform or a Nintendo platform.
and refresh my memory, what other non-Nintendo developed million sellers are there for the Wii? AFAIK its just Wii Play and Wii Sports that are the million+ in Japan.
Fio Maravilha said:
please elaborate.
Smiles and Cries
Member
norinrad21 said:
Self-proclaimed "walking doctor" Duke Saraie, 54, and his disciples demonstrate an exercise at a press conference Thursday to announce the release of Nintendo DS software Duke Saraie No Kenko Walking Navi, in which he navigates users to various walking exercises. The software goes on sale May 17
w00t i'm calling this a million seller
What does the software do?
the Navi word sounds familar
HEY LITEN! Your WaRking too slow!
Smiles and Cries said:
Honestly, I don't know if they can. I don't think price is the barrier. The barrier is Japan's tastes in gaming have shifted, and its going to take time for Sony to shift course and adapt. It might be too late for this generation.
norinrad21 said:
Self-proclaimed "walking doctor" Duke Saraie, 54, and his disciples demonstrate an exercise at a press conference Thursday to announce the release of Nintendo DS software Duke Saraie No Kenko Walking Navi, in which he navigates users to various walking exercises. The software goes on sale May 17
w00t i'm calling this a million seller
For a seccond there i thought that was Wii Health. Im soo curious to see that game in action
Jirotrom said:
That's a good point, although if Square-Enix was thinking along those lines, why did the game come to PS2 instead of GameCube? I guess in that case the installed bases made it an obvious choice, but if you assume that not only kids are buying this title in Japan (or even abroad), I think it will boil down to what they want to do with the title.
If they want to go all out, HD guns blazing, it will go to PS3, otherwise I could see it going to Wii.
There was a teaser at the end of the PS2 game wasn't there? Did it look good? Although I guess things could have changed since that was made.
Guess we will see what happens at the big party next month
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I think they will go for massive profit, again.lupin23rd said:That's a good point, although if Square-Enix was thinking along those lines, why did the game come to PS2 instead of GameCube? I guess in that case the installed bases made it an obvious choice, but if you assume that not only kids are buying this title in Japan (or even abroad), I think it will boil down to what they want to do with the title.
If they want to go all out, HD guns blazing, it will go to PS3, otherwise I could see it going to Wii.
There was a teaser at the end of the PS2 game wasn't there? Did it look good? Although I guess things could have changed since that was made.
Guess we will see what happens at the big party next month
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moku said:
I don't know, I just don't see it happening. First and foremost, because to move FFXIII to the Wii, they'd pretty much have to make the decision between now and the end of April. After that, it'll probably be too far in development to move to another system, and I've never known Square-Enix to release a port to another system concurrently with the original.
On the one hand, they could do a timed exclusive, and then do a port to the Wii, but that's going to be a heavy port, going from an HD game on Blu-ray to an SD game on DVD9.
On the other hand, the White Engine is also being used in White Knight Story. So even if they did move FFXIII to Wii, they wouldn't need to completely abandon that engine. After all, once the engine's complete, they can use it in any number of games.
No, what I think is most likely is FFXIII & FFvXIII are still going to be PS3 exclusive, but Wii is going to get some FFXIII spinoff games, and there will likely be a Wii engine built for future S-E games. FFXIV is completely up in the air....hard to say that S-E will switch what console FF is on mid-generation...which I suppose is another argument for them at least porting FFXIII to the Wii.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Wii sales keep going up each week as the supply increases. Impressive.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
What's Waggle in Latin?goomba said:
*searches*
Well, in lieu of waggle maybe movement. Final Fantasy XIII Tractus
Here's the thing. As has been pointed out, if the current rates continue Wii could be 3 million ahead of PS3 by the end of the year. That being the case, FF XIII could sell 2 million PS3s and it would still be behind.schuelma said:
PS2 had a larger base but they also had the majority of shovelware kid games on the system. People tend to forget that the ps2 did offer games geared at the younger audience...and that price wasn't a factor last gen. PS2s were a lot easier for a parent to stomach for their child....this time a ps3 is not so easy, so Sony runs into the problem of the ps3 being tied to a specific late teen and older group. the PS2 didn't have that problem and Microsoft has a bit of that problem also. Right now Parents are finding the wii an easier choice for a purchase than a ps3....thats why I just don't see KH being on the ps3.lupin23rd said:That's a good point, although if Square-Enix was thinking along those lines, why did the game come to PS2 instead of GameCube? I guess in that case the installed bases made it an obvious choice, but if you assume that not only kids are buying this title in Japan (or even abroad), I think it will boil down to what they want to do with the title.
If they want to go all out, HD guns blazing, it will go to PS3, otherwise I could see it going to Wii.
There was a teaser at the end of the PS2 game wasn't there? Did it look good? Although I guess things could have changed since that was made.
Guess we will see what happens at the big party next month
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Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
The Wii has basically killed what the PS3 could've been. I guess around here how you feel about that will depend on what you wanted to succeed.
Smiles and Cries
Member
justchris said:
S-E needs a Wii optimized engine that pushes it to its limits, I hope they are working on one. But I full agree with you I don't see that game being moved it would be like the great N64 betrayal reversed
Jirotrom said:
Well, a few of them are finding a Wii :lol
That should be a sad face actually cause I haven't found one
justchris said:
Whoa are you sure it's using the White Engine? We aren't even sure if FF13 Versus is using it, and yet a non Square-Enix game is using it? Is there a source on this (or is it true and I am stupid)?
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davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Wiitard said:
yeah cause sports games and whatever games wii play games are havent been done on other platforms either right?
that wasn't even the point about bringing up gran turismo -- its a sony developed game, just like wii sports and wii play are nintendo-developed games.
Wiitard said:
No I don't agree with that, I think even 10M is a remote possibility, but Sony would have to put up a much better effort. If you look at the DS figure, it's pretty clear that the market has expanded, and Wii is reaching out to those people too. The harecore are still interested in PS2 style games, just not at this price, but it's obvious Sony can't do much the price that right now.
Once the manufacturing cost comes down, probably in late 2008, it will reach a more approachable price and might be able launch the small comeback. Until then, Sony is going to have to suck it up. They've had their run.
Smiles and Cries
Member
Musashi Wins! said:The Wii has basically killed what the PS3 could've been. I guess around here how you feel about that will depend on what you wanted to succeed.
everyone here would have not said this last year before launch
Let me kill a few of your sacred cows.davepoobond said:
The PS2 is a dying system. There are tens of millions of them in Japan, and every day thousands of them are being disconnected from televisions and thrown away, sold to game outlets, given to a nephew, or just bundled into a closet. This process will accelerate over the next year. Evidence of this is right on the MC sales chart: Last year there were five PS2 games in the top ten. This year there is one, and only six in the top fifty. What happened to that huge userbase? ...They are more and more reluctant to buy PS2 games, and some of them are no longer PS2 owners. Consoles die a death of attrition as marketing neglect, lack of user interest, and cluttered media centers push the old out in favor of the new.
And guess what? MOST people consider the Wii just as "new" as the PS3. Natter on all you wish about graphical capabilities, toss all the snide remarks you can think about GameCubes and duct tape, the average consumer sees the Wii as a NEW device. That's why it's selling so hot, why it's on pace to pass the Cube within the year, and why it's supply constrained. It's why the Wii version of Zelda has outsold the Cube version by a large margin (DESPITE THE CUBE STILL HAVING THE LARGER USERBASE). The Wii is new, it gets prominent marketing and shelf space, it has buzz and momentum. The PS2 has none of these things anymore.
And yes, S-E could put the FF series back on the PS2 yet again. And yes, it would sell. But it's doubtful it would sell as well as it could on a next-gen system, and it would damage the brand. As much as we like to think these franchises are invincible they CAN be weakened by bad strategy. S-E could put FFXIII on the GBA and it would sell, but this doesn't make it a smart move.
S-E has a history of colonizing a console. The purpose of their major franchises is to CREATE a user-base on that console, people who buy the console explicitly to play S-E games. And I do mean plural, GAMES. Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest are signals to the fanbase that "This is a console that we will be giving significant support. You should buy it. We'll sell you more games on it in the future." The fanbase is happy to know they're making an investment that will pay off in the future. S-E is happy to know that FFXIV and FFXV and all the riskier side projects (like KH was last gen) already has a built-in audience.
Now, where's the benefit of putting yet another signal game on the PS2? They're fighting user disinterest and the ever-growing mindshare of the current hot systems (the DS and Wii), and gaining no future sales for the trouble. Hardly anyone else will run out and buy a PS2 for FFXIII. There's no more market to be found there. The NEW market is on the Wii.
What about the PS3? Why not just try to colonize that? Well, they might try... but it's a big risk. There's a limit to the power of the Final Fantasy brand. That price tag is a HUGE barrier, and lots of potential customers won't follow them there. Others WILL buy a PS3... and then do what Vinnk has mentioned in his report these past couple weeks. They'll just sell the whole system back when they're done, like an expensive rental. There's the chance that users will rebel and just decide they can live without Final Fantasy. S-E has a lot of sway but at the end of the day even they have to bend to the wishes of their customers.
And finally, at your naive question about naming another game on the Wii that's sold a million: :lol You have very high expectations of the Wii! Not even the most rabid Nintendo fanboy on these boards is likely to have expected more than two million sellers before April!
Battersea Power Station
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We should start a pool on how long it will be until neither the DS nor the Wii are supply-constrained. It will be interesting.
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Smiles and Cries said:
You are very correct, but this is looking like the reality now.
Wiitard said:
Ummm...what? No, no, think carefully before you say things like this. The hardcore FF fanbase worldwide amounts to about 25million people. If the PS3 sold 25 million worldwide, that would put it at about original Xbox levels, and would still make a paltry showing compared to what the Wii is likely to do. FF is a system seller, so they won't be locking most of the fanbase out. Especially in Japan, the fanbase will buy a (used) PS3 and FFXIII, beat it, then sell the PS3 back. Like they did with Blue Dragon and the 360s.
justchris said:
will buy a (used) PS3 and FFXIII, beat it, then sell the PS3 AND THE COPY OF FF13 back
I'm 100% sure this would be like a dream come true for Square.
As for the rest of your argument here is why it is wrong: just if we assume Square can make a profit putting FF13 on PS3, it does not mean it's a sane thing to do if they can make 10 times the profit putting it on Wii. Can they make a profit on PS3. If you count the damage to the brand from locking fanbase out of their habit, I would say certainly no. If you don't account for brand depreciation, maybe.
TheKingsCrown
Banned
Wait, are we saying now that Square will purchase used PS3s so long as I give them my copy of Final Fantasy XIII? Brilliant post award goes to The Sphinx. FF as a brand would be very very damaged if it returned to PS2. What exactly would they do with it? And what is Square's incentive to take that loss in brand when they could have an enhanced brand elsewhere AND a new shine?Wiitard said:
Eteric Rice
Member
I don't really care about Final Fantasy, all I want is some good RPGs.
I'm personally rooting for Suikoden to jump to the Wii.
I'm personally rooting for Suikoden to jump to the Wii.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
The Sphinx said:
a question to also ask about this is whether or not the amount of games that are being released would actually be comparable to last year -- is it dying in terms of userbase or in terms of developer support. You're saying its userbase, which i don't agree with that statement.
wasn't referencing that at all. remember what i was saying? it was about a 7 year old console.
Are you willing to say that the PS2 userbase in Japan is falling faster than the amount of PS3s being sold each week? because PS3 plays PS2 games. You don't think a "FFXIII on PS2" situation would have aboslutely no PS3 users buying that game?
i guess because putting their other money-making franchise on the DS was a brand damaging move too? (hint: saying that it doesn't helps MY argument, not yours)
this is contradictory to what SE is saying about this next-gen and having it be more equal.
its not like they're releasing 0 games for the Wii and DS, y'know...
welcome to the business world hooray.
totally depends on when they ship the product.
its commendable for the wii to have 2 million sellers already. never said it wasn't a great accomplishment.
The Sphinx said:
Vinnk, do you know how much money you lost when you do it ? Like buy Wii + Fire Emblem, beat it, and resell Wii + Fire Emblem ? (You can ask your pal at Famicom Dojo)
Personally, I don't think I will ever do that, but for casual, it is a definite possibility, if the lost is not > 100$. I know that Japan have a thriving used-game market. US have it also. But I am not sure about Europe ? Anyone from Europe want to comment ?
Wiitard said:
First party. It's not like all those games that went to 360 aren't coming out on the PS3 anyway. As long as 360 remains dead in Japan, which it will be, the effects of those games going multi-platform won't be felt in Japan.
Whether the PS3 is this generation's GC or N64, we'll have to see.
The Sphinx said:
I agree with you that this is the most likley possibility for FF.
Wii will have it's own FF13... It will be a different game, but i would bet it's going to get just as much focus by SE.. both in terms of development time/focus and in terms of marketing.
still going through this thread... Very interesting sales this week, simply because it seems like the trend for the wii is continuing very strongly and that the ps3 continues to sell atrociously.
I think the wii is almost certain to be the leading platform in japan. It feels like an early call, but the handwriting is on the wall. The japanese just like the wii MUCH MORE than they like the ps3. And this is on the fundamentals alone... Games will change things a little, but the wii is going to have plenty of games too and with this atrocious start for sony, the third party's are probably already bailing out.
It's just too expensive to develop games exclusivley for a system with sales like that. Sony's system will still get games, but most will go to 360 as well and wii will have more exclusives and WAY more games that appeal to the japanese audience.