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Media Create Sales 5/7 - 5/13, PS3 < 10k
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test_account
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DarkMehm said:Could someone post the Famitsu Top 30 of the last week?
Taken from the previous MC thread:
http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2007/05/16/103,1179308618,71799,0,0.html
1. Final Fantasy Tactics: The Lion War (PSP)
2. Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings (DS)
3. Super Paper Mario (Wii)
4. Wii Sports (Wii)
5. More Brain Training (DS)
6. Momotarou Dentetsu DS: Tokyo & Japan (DS)
7. New Super Mario Bros. (DS)
8. Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (Wii)
9. More English Training (DS)
10. Brain Training (DS)
Slow sales week all round.
Whatever happens to FFXIII is immaterial imo, a main FF game will be coming to Wii, unless Sony (or MS) buys the franchise.
Like DQ, the hardcore only makes up a small percentage of potential FF buyers, the game's main audience is the mass market and this audience is flocking to Wii. Also, many people seem to be saying on 360 and PS3 sales could reach the previous game, but this is ignoring the fact the budgets are continually rising. S-E's aim with the series is to sell as many as possible, so imo it's doubtful they're ideal is ~5 million in sales, they'll be aiming higher, and thought using PS3's power to produce CG movie quality visuals throughout the game would do the trick.
With the rate Wii is selling, and considering there's already a potentially huge DQ game heading to the system, a main FF game built from the ground up on Wii released 2008/9 could sell FFVII/VIII levels, and reinvigorate the entire franchise, which needs to happen at some stage. Also, the potential for crossover games with Nintendo franchises is like money in the bank.
In 12 months time I think S-E, along with every other Japanese 3rd Party, will be major supporters of Wii.
Whatever happens to FFXIII is immaterial imo, a main FF game will be coming to Wii, unless Sony (or MS) buys the franchise.
Like DQ, the hardcore only makes up a small percentage of potential FF buyers, the game's main audience is the mass market and this audience is flocking to Wii. Also, many people seem to be saying on 360 and PS3 sales could reach the previous game, but this is ignoring the fact the budgets are continually rising. S-E's aim with the series is to sell as many as possible, so imo it's doubtful they're ideal is ~5 million in sales, they'll be aiming higher, and thought using PS3's power to produce CG movie quality visuals throughout the game would do the trick.
With the rate Wii is selling, and considering there's already a potentially huge DQ game heading to the system, a main FF game built from the ground up on Wii released 2008/9 could sell FFVII/VIII levels, and reinvigorate the entire franchise, which needs to happen at some stage. Also, the potential for crossover games with Nintendo franchises is like money in the bank.
In 12 months time I think S-E, along with every other Japanese 3rd Party, will be major supporters of Wii.
test_account
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People that make games proffesionaly want the games to sell as much copies as possible of coure. But is this the only factor? Right now the Wii is selling at the fastest rate when we talk about consoles, so making games for it would have a bigger chance to sell more copies of the games. But wouldnt developers also want to make games for consoles where they have more possibilities? I mean, PS3 and 360 got more powerful hardware than Wii. Like wasnt FF7 suppose to be a N64 title in the first place, but they changed it to PSX because they had more possibilities because of the CD-media?
MasterMFauli
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So it´s really below 10k, wow.
I thought it would be a bit above, since Famitsu-charts are always a bit lower.
As for SE´ biggest franchise:
In Japan alone, DQ is right, but world wide, it´s FF.
I thought it would be a bit above, since Famitsu-charts are always a bit lower.
As for SE´ biggest franchise:
In Japan alone, DQ is right, but world wide, it´s FF.
Phife Dawg
Member
It's only guesswork on my side but apart from having more space on the medium there was also the issue of having higher costs (cards were only manufactured by Nintendo) and thus lower margins.test_account said:
But FF experts probably have better insight.
I think it was as much to do with lower media costs and licensing fees, like Phife Dawg said, but you're right about PS3 and 360 being able to do more, the problem is the only people who appreciate this at the level we're at now are the hardcore. The Japanese mainstream doesn't care about graphics, so as mass market gaming devices PS3 and 360 have only disadvantages when compared Wii, which is new, fun, and reasonably priced.test_account said:
PS3 and 360 completely misjudged the Japanese market, to the extent price isn't PS3's biggest problem, the version of gaming it's bringing to the table is.
Dabookerman
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When is DragonQuest IX out again?
That is surely due to be the next bomb right?
That is surely due to be the next bomb right?
A Link to the Past
Banned
dabookerman said:
Speculation, but I'm willing to say that Brain Training 3's gonna be out before that.
AnimeTheme
Member
ziran said:
I think it's still a bit too early to make this kind of prediction/conclusion. A LOT of things can happen in the next 12 months which may change the scenario.
There is no doubt that PS3 is in big trouble right now, but I don't think Sony will just sit there waiting for it to die. I can foresee something big being done by Sony in the next 12 months. A (big?) price cut is almost inevitable, along with major title releases, "HOME", as well as other surprises.
Wii may look like the winner right now, but there are actually still some "hidden" problems. If you look at the Japanese market, the best-selling Wii titles were Wii Sports/Play at launch, and now, they still are. The sales of many other titles (especially third-party ones) are less than impressing, especially when you consider how well the hardware sales is doing right now. It seems quite a lot of people consider Wii somewhat just a dedicated machine for Wii Sports/Play right now. In NDS age, there were titles like Nintendog and Brain Training in similar time frames which actually paved the road of success for NDS, but for Wii, I don't foresee titles of such importantce in the near future.
And don't completely ignore XBOX360. It may be somewhat doomed in Japan, but the US market is still strong, and nowadays many titles are "international" instead of local.
titiklabingapat
Member
AnimeTheme said:
No, really, both the 360 and the Ps3 are dead in Japan.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
AnimeTheme said:
1) The third party statement needs to be put on hold until 3rd parties put in best efforts. At launch most Wii games were 4th string efforts. (though I think Elebits was robbed.)
2) There are several Wii Sports/Wii play type games on the horizon. I think Wii music is going to sell bucketloads.
3) I'm curious about the price cut. Can sony afford to lose that much? If things get worse, you have to ask is it more cost effective to a) quietly slow production, sell what's made at regular price and recoop as much loss as possible without digging deeper, or b)gamble by dropping the price and bleeding even more money with each console sold? Option 'b' means they will have to credit back retailers who have already purchased PS3s.
People throw out the word price cut like it's that simple, i really don't think it is.
Phife Dawg
Member
Well this is the japanese sales thread. Honestly I don't think either MS or Sony can turn it around in Japan. MS doesn't really need to be discussed and after Gamer's day I can't see anything in the near future that could really turn heads. I mean it was a US-centered show but from the titles seen there I can only see Eye of Judgement spark some interest in Japan. Home is a non-factor and I don't think uncharted, HS, Warhawk etc. are going to cut it in Japan either. Sony has dropped the ball in Japan, if Hotshots Golf isn't sparking some kind of new life into the PS3 I can see it dropping to even lower levels.AnimeTheme said:
AnimeTheme said:
There doesn't need to be a Nintendogs on the horizon for the Wii--it launched with it. Wii Sports is the barrier-breaking frothing-demand-fueling ridiculously-long-lasting-suppy-constraint-creating Nintendogs for the Wii. Nintendo's planning follow-ups in a similar vein, but they won't have the impact Nintendogs had largely because the Wii is in a much better position than the DS was in its lifecycle.
nli10 said:
I doubt there ever have been a company stupid enough to try to achieve a target in such an indirect and costly way.
World pop of 16-24 males = 300 million or so.
Losses on Xbox > 6 billions.
MS could have given every single 16-24 male in the world $20 for the price of Xbox venture.
Effervescent
Member
I think MS entering the gaming market mainly to prime spot in their customers' living room.
Sony clearly try to put Playstation as the connected media center and I think MS try to protect its interest in Home Multimedia market.
With XBOX 360 and Windows Vista, I think MS did pretty well in this area.
Sony clearly try to put Playstation as the connected media center and I think MS try to protect its interest in Home Multimedia market.
With XBOX 360 and Windows Vista, I think MS did pretty well in this area.
Pureauthor
Member
Deku said:
I wouldn't. The only FF game I'd buy a system for would be FFIX.
(Well, maybe a compilation of classic FFs on a single cart/disc. But then it's not really a single FF game anymore.)
test_account
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Phife Dawg said:
ziran said:
Ah yes, thats right. I didnt think about that now, its much cheaper to produce CDs than cartridges. I'm sure that was one big factor, but not the only one. Didnt PSX only sell like 1 million consoles the first year before FF7 came out? I think N64 sold much more than that within the same time period.
RubberJohnny
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I think this has been the best NPD/Media Create ever, at least three bannings and some masterful GIFs.
Well done everyone.
Well done everyone.
tebiro boy
Member
test_account said:Fixed
Square made a big, big mess-up moving FFXIII from PS2 to PS3. It would have sold an absolute shit-ton on PS2, and given Square's mastery of the system I bet it still would've looked fantastic.
What they've done on PS3 is very impressive, but it was such a waste to ditch development on the PS2 version. They should've waited for the next FF (or the FFVII remake, whatever) before commiting to the PS3. Management letting the team switch consoles like that was almost as stupid as Sony management letting Kutaragi loose on development of the PS3 itself...
As a fan, as well, I'm pretty pissed that I'm not playing FFXIII on the PS2 right now - that, as things stand, it is merely acting as a PS3 tech demo.
Anyway, FFXIII won't end up on the Wii. It will sell less than most recent instalments, and Square will be expecting this. But worldwide, it should still do well enough to turn a profit.
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tebiro boy said:
Who knows, it might have sold alot more on PS2 than PS3, but the opposite can happend too. We'll just have to wait and see. My point (which i had a joke spin on it) was that so many people say "move games to Wii, its selling like crazy". Shall every developers only make games for the console that sell the most? If so, why not make all games for PS2 for consoles and all games for DS for handhelds?
I change my previous quote to this:
Vinnk said:
Frankfurter
Member
Wow, PS3 under 10k...
Sub 10k at last. Hopefully 360 will see a spike just for the sheer fun of it, but I don't think anyone (outside Gaf) cares any longer. With no word from Sony, I'm getting curious as to what they plan to do about this. But whatever happens, won't happen until Wii health/music arrives.
test_account
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Jokeropia said:
Can i get the sale numbers for PSX and N64 at that time?
tanasten
glad to heard people isn't stupid anymore
tebiro boy said:
Oh well... asking FFXIII for the PS3 was a bit out of place I guess. I know you're right saying that It would sell tons more on the PS2, but seeing how Square Projected the whole FFXIII with three games on the PS3 and various spinoff for others platforms... they're going to make gold from the project.
They making and engine, and asset of art... and they're making three games. This is like dividing production cost into 3. Also, this is a project of future. No one can't blame Square Enix for trusting before hand on to the PS3. It was common sense I guess. A year ago everyone said that PS3 was the biggest thing in the universe, so putting their efforts into developing a hell of good engine was the right choice for them.
They are going to milk that engine with tons of games during the coming years on to the PS3, so I'm sure they're not worry.
Instead of that, I'm sure that they're happy with the project and now what they need is putting effort on other platforms to make more money. That's why they licensed UN3 and they're making Last Remmant, and that's why they're putting games on the DS, PSP and the Wii.
They know that their big thing is the project FFXIII and that when it's finished, it's going to be a gold mine.
test_account
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Jokeropia said:
Ok thanks, but can i get a source?
Also remember that FF7 development wasnt started at the end of 96. It probly took like 2-3 years to make that game, meaning it was started around 1995 and how well was PSX selling then?
creamsugar
Member
1st day from shinobi
Shining Wind (PS2) - 60k
Odin Sphere (PS2) - 35k
Ouendan 2 (DS) - 35k
Shining Wind (PS2) - 60k
Odin Sphere (PS2) - 35k
Ouendan 2 (DS) - 35k
Pureauthor
Member
BOOOOOOOO
test_account
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Not too bad for first day tho. Keep that up and you have like 100k for the first week
Cosmonaut X
Member
creamsugar said:
Not too bad at all. Would first week sales of 50k+ be out of the question? Even if it only manages 35k first week, that's a huge improvement on the original - wasn't that something like 10-11k for first week?
Magicpaint
Member
Still pretty good compared to the first, I think.Pureauthor said:
Odin Sphere is sort of depressing on the other hand, hopefully it does at least 100k LTD.