LanceStern
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ethelred said:
I don't know man, it's like a burning in my head that hinders me haha. Maybe t's because my first week-month-year prediction was off and it's just stubborn pride?
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Media Create Sales 7/9 - 7/15
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I don't know man, it's like a burning in my head that hinders me haha. Maybe t's because my first week-month-year prediction was off and it's just stubborn pride?
ComputerNerd
Banned
Cygnus X-1 said:
Why would Twilight Princess spell the death of the series? It only did poor in Japan. It sold several million in total.
Souldriver
Member
Is this thread taking a trip to shitty lane? Let's all watch, children!
LanceStern said:
Do you read what you're saying before your post, firstly, how can you hang on to your "prediction" when it was shown to be stupidly, massively off base? also, as your other post says, 300k means that SE has broke even, in a WEEK, anything now is all profit, how can that be anything other than so awesome?
There just really is no pleasing you.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
? I'm one for saying they're similar due to various circumstances, but considering all we have are first-day-ish Famitsu sales and first-week media Create sales, you're ready to compare patterns?LanceStern said:
(Made stranger when the numbers were modified later.)
Even DS didn't reach DS-like domination that fast. In its first July, its biggest week was 45K. It did have a 103K week in August with Jump Super Stars, though.titiklabingapat said:
And not even that, really. Compare it to launch games on various systems, and few are bigger. There are those with enormous legs like Wii Sports, Wii Play, Super Mario 64 DS, and Wario Ware Touched!, though.ComputerNerd said:
Ragnarok10 said:
I believe you may be talking about ioi's revised numbers that he puts out after NPD's release. The numbers he has before NPD's release have been drastically different than NPD and nowhere near +/- 2% off.
LanceStern said:
No. They probably took a guessed development cost for a Wii game and worked out the break even point from that. They were not saying that 300K is the benchmark for success on the Wii. Games do not all cost the same, and, as has been stated numerous times to you, one game could hit profit at 50K while another needs 600K.
With the drastically varying costs from game to game, using a single sell-through mark for a game to declare "success" is not wise.
BishopLamont
Banned
LanceStern said:
Do you read what you post? You acknowledge the fact that DQS selling 300k in such little time and beating most games LTD in a week, yet you don't call it a success. Zelda did the exact same numbers first week and you call that phenomenal, yet you dismiss DQS. Why do you still stick by your predictions, do you realise how stupid and stubborn that is? Are u a closet Nintendo hater by any chance?
Buffy4ever
Banned
ZealousD said:
and it out sold Folksoul and any other PS3 rpg..the Wii is a beast.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
ethelred said:
Quick, post your list of other dragon quest spin-offs and how well they sold compared to DQ:S's first week.
sonic4ever said:
That's a little more accurate.
MrPing1000
Member
BishopLamont said:
He's an idiot it's ok.
WickedAngel
Banned
The Xbox 360 in Japan has the oddest titles that pop in and out of the charts (Titles that you wouldn't expect to be popular with Japanese).
I wonder how much of those tens of thousands of Xbox 360 sales that pop up here and there are from foreigners. It'd be interesting to know exactly how many foreign teachers are brought over there by companies like JET.
I wonder how much of those tens of thousands of Xbox 360 sales that pop up here and there are from foreigners. It'd be interesting to know exactly how many foreign teachers are brought over there by companies like JET.
serotonina
Member
AniHawk said:
Blame Wii-Fit
and how much it sucks
Beaten? Cant be bothered to check.
Good legs Zelda, now Nintendo give us a LA remake >_<
RiskyChris
Banned
LanceStern said:
You're trying too hard to fit into the mold in which NeoGAF recognizes you.
test_account
XP-39C²
sonic4ever said:
Isnt Dragon Quest the most popular RPG serie in Japan? Folksoul is a brand new and "unknown" IP. Wii got 2 million more consoles out there (in Japan) so its not really any suprise that a DQ game for Wii sold more than a "unknown" game for PS3.
Stealth Editor
Member
You'll be lucky if it gets released at all (unless I missed an announcement?)JavyOO7 said:
Throwaway123456789
Member
Haunted
Member
I know it's DQ, but I did not expect a spin-off on Wii to sell that well. I understand that DQ sales are always very frontloaded and this is a traditional game (not one of the titles who show ~Training or Wii___ - type legs), so I'm interested in where the journey goes from this excellent start.
And I love how everyone is quoting LanceStern's ridiculous post, rendering my ignore list completely ****ing useless.
And I love how everyone is quoting LanceStern's ridiculous post, rendering my ignore list completely ****ing useless.
Cygnus X-1
Member
LanceStern said:
Your brain pretend a little bit too much from a Spin-off. Maybe if it will show some legs yours synapsis will transmit a good sensation.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
thaivo said:
It would be unprecedented for any game to have >75% first week sales.
Let's do a scan of the current five platforms and check for >75% first week sales:
Dragon Ball Z Shin Budokai 2 for the PSP had 76% first week sales
Call of Duty 3 for the XBox 360 had 83% first week sales
Super Robot Taisen XO for the XBox 360 had 80% first week sales
So, through 41 Wii games, 25 PS3 games, 71 XBox 360 games, 123 PSP games, and 244 DS games (that's 504 games total), 3 games have >75% first week sales. The only games I excluded were games currently on the charts and around 10 games listed at 100% first week sales because we haven't had a Famitsu half-year report since they came out.
No matter what console precedent you're using, <400k is impossible. LanceStern is wrong, as usual.
LanceStern
Banned
I think success might have been too strong of a word.
+ It sold 300k, which based off gamesradar analysis, it has ALREADY broken even in profit.
+ It is the highest selling 3rd party Wii game to date, and doing what most DS games (with a userbase 6 times that of Wii) did not do, which break 300k. It did this in the first week of sales. Quickly and already-ally becoming the best 3rd party seller over GCN's Naruto...
Yea, success definitely was too harsh a word. It is a success simply by selling so much in one week.
I don't know what the word is I'm looking for. I'll have to wait for second week numbers, to deem it.... (Whatever word I'm looking for).
And by sticking to my prediction, I mean LTD guys. Of course my first week/month/year is off the numebrs don't lie
P.S. Don't ban me Dragona please.
P.P.S. Yes I am trying noiw to think before I post and make sure my emotions aren't posting for me. A 5 minute wait always helps too.
+ It sold 300k, which based off gamesradar analysis, it has ALREADY broken even in profit.
+ It is the highest selling 3rd party Wii game to date, and doing what most DS games (with a userbase 6 times that of Wii) did not do, which break 300k. It did this in the first week of sales. Quickly and already-ally becoming the best 3rd party seller over GCN's Naruto...
Yea, success definitely was too harsh a word. It is a success simply by selling so much in one week.
I don't know what the word is I'm looking for. I'll have to wait for second week numbers, to deem it.... (Whatever word I'm looking for).
And by sticking to my prediction, I mean LTD guys. Of course my first week/month/year is off the numebrs don't lie
P.S. Don't ban me Dragona please.
P.P.S. Yes I am trying noiw to think before I post and make sure my emotions aren't posting for me. A 5 minute wait always helps too.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
LanceStern said:
You did not make an LTD prediction. You made an full 2007 prediction and a one year prediction. Your full 2007 prediction is already wrong and your one year prediction will be wrong by next week.
These are the predictions you made:
Even being needlessly stingy and assuming there's no legs on this game and that the game sells 67% of it's full sales in week one, you're still looking at a total of 450k.
Souldriver
Member
Normally I don't mind the "third parties don't sell on Nintendo systems", but in this thread the urge of some posters to make it seem like DQ is a failure seems rather big. :lol
JoshuaJSlone
Member
No.LanceStern said:
http://moorangol.altervista.org/others/gamecube.html
Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen ! 3 404.951
But soon.
LanceStern
Banned
Stumpokapow said:
I'm taking the needlessly stingy rout with that one year prediction of mine. Full frontal sales 1st month.... then they go back to buying wii play/sports and forget about it, that's what the prediction tyou quoted means anyways...
Josh, I knew naruto sold 400k, but the way these guys are tallking to me, and based off their predictions, they are telling me that it will be over 400k in the next week or two./ Quickly, and perhaps even already by some standards, DQS is at 400k.
I'm going to have to be more thorough in my messages
test_account said:
Isn't Wiisports on its way to a LTD of 2M? oh wait that isn't an RPG so it doesn't count or it isn't a third party game(in comparison to DQ) or it isn't a second party RPG so it doesn't count. That doesn't even matter that much, we all like to crush peoples dreams(especially of the fanboy type) and rub it in(of the reality type). People knew the installed base of the system at the time. HSG is one of the first titles since launch(RR6?7?) that has a lot of casual appeal, but I still don't expect much for various reasons. I can bet people will start mocking the guys who were wrong if HSG does good numbers.
Quick, somebody claim they don't care yet argue the issue anyway.
test_account
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Linkup said:
Its the game itself you must look at, it doesnt matter if its 3rd party 2nd party or 1st part made as long as its fun. I dont think people go into the store and say "hey, this is a 3rd party game, i cant buyit because all 3rd party games automaticly sux!". Point is that DQ is mega popular. Are anyone suprised that a DQ game sold more than Folksoul?
Sure, you can rub the salenumbers in fanboys face (or whoever that care enough about it) for fun and crushing dreams (altho i doubt someone's dream will be crushed
) but i dont quite see the point doing it with a DQ game that you can in advance say will sell pretty good no matter what. Like i can now say that DQIX will sell damn good, thats a given, but i cant say for sure that i.e White Knight Story (or whats it called) for PS3 will sell damn good. So if you wanna rub something in, its better to do it with a "unknown" game, not a game you know will sell well EDIT: I guess i knew what you ment with "crushed dreams" so i removed that question
Buffy4ever
Banned
I made that coment becuase another peroson said this:test_account said:
ZealousD said:
The Wii is beating everything in Japan. If people use the excuse that Folksoul is a new IP , then so are Blue Dragon and Trusty Bell.
test_account said:Crush dreams? I dont quite follow you there. What do you mean?
Its the game itself you must look at, it doesnt matter if its 3rd party 2nd party or 1st part made as long as its fun. I dont think people go into the store and say "hey, this is a 3rd party game, i cant buyit because all 3rd party games automaticly sux!". Point is that DQ is mega popular.Are anyone suprised that a DQ game sold more than Folksoul?
Sure, you can rub the salenumbers in fanboys face (or whoever that care enough about it) for fun
Your right.
Folksoul was even more of a bomb than usual. I would've expected it to do Ninja Gaiden Sigma / Trusty Bell levels of sales, but it couldn't even muster that. It's too bad as the demo really was a lot of fun.
More on topic, does media create or enterbrain publish information on their methods apart from "we poll retailers"? I'm curious what kind of coverage these Japanese tracking firms have.
More on topic, does media create or enterbrain publish information on their methods apart from "we poll retailers"? I'm curious what kind of coverage these Japanese tracking firms have.
test_account
XP-39C²
sonic4ever said:
True that Wii is on a roll, no doubt about that, but when you said "it outsold Folksoul" it sounded like it was a big accomplishment or suprise. Thats why i commented that DQ is so popular that its no suprise that it outsold Folksoul. Dunno if that was what you ment tho.
Blue Dragon and Trusty Bell are indeed new IPs, but the developers of these 2 games have much better history in creating RPGs and these 2 games where much more anticipated and wanted. So its not just because of a new IP of course, its other factors too, like whos making the game etc.
By the way, Folksoul isnt exactly a "true" RPG like Blue Dragon and Trusty bell? I havnt played any of them, but i'm under the impression that Folksoul is more of an action RPG, while Blue Dragon and Trusty bell are more traditional RPGs where you walk around and talk to people etc. Correct me if i'm wrong. Does PS3 have any traditional RPGs yet?