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Media Create Sales 9/24 - 9/30 2007: Halo on top!
- Thread starter Jonnyram
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Pureauthor
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Jonnyram said:
The three games I've bolded can all be played single player with no troubles whatsoever. And given the great Monster Hunter sales on PSP, I'm not so sure about the Japanese buying Monster Hunter for online either.
OK, so what is the point in this argument then? Every single online 360 also has a substantial single player component. Should we assume noone is playing the online part?Pureauthor said:
Have a look at leaderboards in games like RR6, Lost Planet (and RR7, Hot Shots Golf on the PS3). Japanese players have a very strong presence indeed.
Nuclear Muffin said:Wow! Isn't this the first time a western developed game has ever topped the Japanese charts?
Wii is totally fucked in Japan, it needs a miracle now to bring it back up to greatness!
I guess you could refer to Super Mario Galaxy and Brawl as miracles. They are that good after all.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
mj1108 said:
Zombified!
Phife Dawg
Member
WTF is this shit? A real commercial or some fanmade stuff?a Master Ninja said:
Jonnyram said:
The argument is that you think somehow VF5 for 360 is gonna be a big seller. If it barely sold on the PS3, why in the world do you think people care if it has online or not? Any VF5 fan would have bought the PS3 game long ago, and really they won't rebuy it just for online.
And your examples are bad- half were DS games (they don't count) and the other half were MMORPGS (which are a totally different beast altogther since they are, ugh, only online?)
You need real examples of 360 software that will be considered a relative "hit" - ie. more than 100,000 in first week. Most likely none of the 360 games you listed (yes, including LOST ODYSSEY) will sell that much. But GT5 prologue WILL.
Whoa now, hold on a minute. I never said a single one of those games would be a big seller on its own. But as a combined mass, they make the 360 a very attractive console. If I was a Japanese gamer who didn't have a 360 yet, I'd look at that list and think "hey, this machine has a decent amount of support", regardless of whether I wanted one or many.Grimmy said:
100,000 is considered a relative hit just because GT5 will sell more presumably? Where do you draw the line? Wherever you want, by the looks of it. The point is that 360 has very little to lose in its current position. Everyone thinks it's dead, and good sales will surprise everyone. But GT5 is the only major title coming out for PS3 this year in Japan. If it doesn't sell big, it says a lot about the PS3's future.
Jonnyram said:
Sorry, but no. Half of the games on your list is on PS3 too, the rest they don't care about. And what I mean by "care" is by selling at least 100,000 1st week (which is not even much at all and hardly considered a number that will make any console a "hit"). Support doesn't mean anything when there's no game people want to play - and that goes for PS3 as well. But it's definitely false to say that "Well, the 360 has by far the most promising holiday lineup for Japanese consumers. " It is not promising. at. all.
Jonnyram said:
We are in the sales thread - of course we're talking about sales! And games move hardware. And we are not talking about whether the 360 has anything to "lose". We're not talking about the PS3's future. We're talking about you saying that the 360 has "by far the most promising holiday lineup". You are wrong.
BishopLamont
Banned
Jonnyram said:
Yes but the same can be said about the PS3, we don't see an increase in hardware numbers except only during major game releases. None of those 360 games are major game releases. Even if they do increase 360 numbers it'll be minimal - not enough to beat the PS3. Little noise turning into a minor beep isn't exactly comforting. SMG and SSBB alone shits on everything the 360 and PS3 has for this holiday. So no the 360 does not have the best lineup.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
WE2008? Musou 5? GT5P not selling big won't say anything new, it'll just say the same as Minna no Golf 5, Boku no Natsuyasumi 3, VF5, RR7, AC4...etc,etc.Jonnyram said:
Btw...
Famitsu
5. MGS Portable Ops+ 41,000 (130,000)
26.MPO+DX　9300（24000）
MC
10./02. [PSP] Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops+ - 25,000 / 119,000
154k vs 119k :/ :?
Interesting on Halo 3. I'm not 100% sure, but didn't both Halo 1 and 2 do about half that number their launch week? Between this and Oblivion, I wonder if this means that the 360 in Japan has a viable western niche.
The 360 really intrigues me in Japan since the model is significantly different than the original Xbox. I don't recall the Xbox having as many software pop up in the charts as often as it's been happening for the 360 in it's year 2, and I'm pretty sure hardware sales were in 3 digit range. Even compared to last year, the 360 is doing noticebly better. Whereas the Xbox saw a big launch and then a quick slide into obscurity, it's successor had a small launch and increasingly larger sales. It'll be interesting to see where it will be in the next year, will it be doing better compared to this year?
Note that I'm not saying the 360 is doing good or anything, just that it's interesting to see it do better than it did last year, whereas the Xbox just kept sliding from bad to worse. While the software situation is by no means perfect, I feel that it is a considerable improvement to it's predecessor with a good number of possible 50,000+ titles still left from now to next year, and with the traditional type of games suffering from lack of PS3 releases and the Wii's new direction, is it possible for the 360 to grab a relatively sizable chunk of Japan (1 million ish)?
The 360 really intrigues me in Japan since the model is significantly different than the original Xbox. I don't recall the Xbox having as many software pop up in the charts as often as it's been happening for the 360 in it's year 2, and I'm pretty sure hardware sales were in 3 digit range. Even compared to last year, the 360 is doing noticebly better. Whereas the Xbox saw a big launch and then a quick slide into obscurity, it's successor had a small launch and increasingly larger sales. It'll be interesting to see where it will be in the next year, will it be doing better compared to this year?
Note that I'm not saying the 360 is doing good or anything, just that it's interesting to see it do better than it did last year, whereas the Xbox just kept sliding from bad to worse. While the software situation is by no means perfect, I feel that it is a considerable improvement to it's predecessor with a good number of possible 50,000+ titles still left from now to next year, and with the traditional type of games suffering from lack of PS3 releases and the Wii's new direction, is it possible for the 360 to grab a relatively sizable chunk of Japan (1 million ish)?
OK LIST WARS RAWR!Grimmy said:
Multi:
10/8 Bladestorm (PS3 version out previously)
11/8 NBA Live 08
11/8 GRAW 2 (360 version out previously)
11/22 Harry Potter
11/22 Winning Eleven 2008
11/22 Ratatouille
11/22 Medal of Honor Airborne (PS3 version 12/20)
11/29 Assassin's Creed (PS3 version in 2008)
11/29 Tony Hawk Project 8
11/?? Dynasty Warriors 6
12/6 Conan
12/6 Pirates of the Carribean
12/6 Virtua Fighter 5 (PS3 version out previously)
12/20 FIFA 08
PS3 exclusive:
10/11 The Godfather
*10/11 Lair
10/17 Spiderman 3
10/25 Imabikisou
*10/25 Eye of Judgment
11/1 Railfan
11/1 G-1 Jockey 4 2007
*11/11 Ratchet & Clank
*11/15 Heavenly Sword
*12/13 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue
12/20 Time Crisis 4
360 exclusive:
10/11 Operation Darkness
*10/11 PGR4
10/18 Zoids Alternative
10/18 Beautiful Katamari Damacy
11/1 Ace Combat 6
11/8 Just Cause
11/8 Major League Baseball 2K7
11/22 Final Fantasy XI: Altana
11/29 Guilty Gear II Overture
11/29 Apocalypse Desire Next
*12/6 Lost Odyssey
12/6 Momotaro Dentetsu 16
12/6 Viva Pinata Let's Party
12/13 Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom
12/13 Shikigami no Shiro III
12/13 Stuntman Ignition
12/13 Smash Court Tennis 3
12/13 Flat Out Ultimate Carnage
* for first party titles
Jonnyram said:
Wow, that exclusive list for the PS3 isn't looking too hot. Even from a sales standpoint, it doesn't seem like it could hold off against Lost Odyssey save GT5 Prologue.
Are most Japanese release still targeting the PS2, or has it moved to the Wii, or are they just in a lull right now or something?
Sigh.
It's not the list of exclusives that make a console sell hardware. It's a list of games that SELL that sell hardware.
Neither platforms have that, except for the multi-platforms, of which the PS3 versions will most likely sell more (unless it comes out after).
But both consoles will sell abysmally.
It's not the list of exclusives that make a console sell hardware. It's a list of games that SELL that sell hardware.
Neither platforms have that, except for the multi-platforms, of which the PS3 versions will most likely sell more (unless it comes out after).
But both consoles will sell abysmally.
12/13 Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of DoomJonnyram said:
Not to mention the Platinum Collection titles on 11/1 as well.
There are games on both sides that will sell some hardware. I think Jonnyram's point is the 360 has more of them for the holiday lineup.Grimmy said:
Well since we don't know about the sales of games that aren't released yet, I'll let you take a guess. Note use of the word "promising".Grimmy said:
And if you want me to talk sales specifically, I bet the total sales of those 360 games is more than the total sales of those PS3 games.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Obaid said:wow every single 360 owner in Japan bought Halo 3. This is insane
1 in 9 bought it.
When Blue Dragon launched, 1 in 4 bought it first week.
Ynos Yrros
Banned
GT5P alone will sell more than all the 360 games on that list combined in first week.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
bcn-ron said:
We also assume that 20 million PS2s and 20 million DSs mean 20 million owners of each, when in reality I have 3 DSs and 2 PS2s.
This is as good a time as any to restate that 360's remaining lineup will give it a decent Nov/Dec and up the system's mindshare, year-on-year, so that 2008 could well be a noteable increase on 2007 and will help 360 reach 1 million units by the end of 2008.
Take note that 360's performance this year is much better than in 2006, which is unusual for a failing console as they generally lose support. The difference with 360 is that it's successful in other regions (US, UK) and is currently receiving the best support for western-oriented games. Some people, albeit a small niche, in Japan are more compelled by western-oriented titles than Japanese titles, and others are into videogames from all over the globe. 360 is now in a position where it receives better increases in sales alongside more Japanese-oriented releases, ie, Blue Dragon and Lost Oddyssy.
Take note that 360's performance this year is much better than in 2006, which is unusual for a failing console as they generally lose support. The difference with 360 is that it's successful in other regions (US, UK) and is currently receiving the best support for western-oriented games. Some people, albeit a small niche, in Japan are more compelled by western-oriented titles than Japanese titles, and others are into videogames from all over the globe. 360 is now in a position where it receives better increases in sales alongside more Japanese-oriented releases, ie, Blue Dragon and Lost Oddyssy.
Eteric Rice
Member
So, I guess there's about 59,000 Americans living in Japan? :lol
typhonsentra
Banned
Wow, I thought for sure MySims would find an audience over there. Guess we know the Japanese really want high-def FPSs and western-style RPGs now.