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Media Create Sales Jan 15 - 21

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
More numbres from 2ch...from MC chart!

11 DS New Super Mario Brothers 27000 4030000 98
15 DS Tea Dog's Room DS 2 19000 19000 49
16 DS Mario Kart DS 19000 2016000 98
19 DS Kanji Brain Test 2M 16000 262000 89
22 DS IQ Supply 15000 103000 89
26 Wii The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess 14000 356000 85
35 DS DS Yama Method Math Drills 9000 112000 89
36 DS Heisei Education Committee DS 8800 87000 90
40 Wii Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 8000 86000 64
43 DS Final Fantasy III 6500 970000 89
46 DS Mysterious Dungeon: Fuurai no Shiren DS 5100 152000 83
48 PSP World Soccer Winning Eleven 10: Ubiquitous Evolution 5100 98000 65
68 Wii Elebits 3500 38000 75
84 PS3 Armored Core 4 2500 69000 74
90 DS ☆? 2300 95000 94
92 Wii BREAD? 2200 46000 66
94 DS ATSU? 2200 42000 83

Zelda, Armored Core 4, WE10...I hope you like it :D

Uhm, thanks. I hope that Zelda will remain in the top 30 long enough to reach at least 500k.
 

jimbo

Banned
Damn, my ski trip made me miss out on all of this. Sorry guys, I went to Snowshoe, EV for a couple of days but fear not as I am here now to tell you what's going on in Japan.

DSL 127,647
Wii 86,395
PSP 37,032
PS3 21,105
PS2 20,169
Xbox360 7,041
GBM 1,864
GBASP 1,498
GC 554
DS 123
GBA 94

DSL starting to climb back again. The PSP is not doing too shabby either. that's all I will say about handhelds because I don't care about them. Ok now.....

Wii is holding to an incredible number, an average of 375k-400k a month at the moment. That's unbelievable for Japan. These look more like a good PS2 month in NA in the first year after launch. However I believe it will drop slightly come next week, and eventually end up holding 65k-75k a weeek in about 2 weeks.

I was only 1k off of my 360 predictions. It looks like it's a week behind me but if it didn't do 5k-6k this week, it will surely do it next week. Unless it stabilizes higher than 4k-5k, but I doubt it. However, if it keeps it up it will pass the Xbox's LTD sooner than I expected. 180k to go roughly.

The PS3 is expected, just maybe not so low so soon. Judging by last week's numbers I don't know why everyone's so surprised. It will do these type of numbers(save for a game release(VF5?) spike) until a goood price drop comes around.

I believe all 3 consoles will drop next week.

PS3: 17k
360: 5k
Wii: 78k
 

donny2112

Member
Deku said:

Awesome! I saw a video presentation from that annual Silicon Valley meeting where techie new ideas are bandied about demonstrating that same functionality (pinch/unpinch + a whole bunch of other uses). I'm glad that someone is actually using it in a consumer device. :D The "must use finger, not stylus" makes me wonder if it could actually be used on a DS2 in its current form, though.

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Btw, I hate you all ; ; no one gave me Shining Force Neo numbers to compare to EXA.

We did get a top 500 for 2005 list from Famitsu, you know. ;)
96,013



Famitsu Jan 8-14

1. WII Wii Sports 71952 / 782190
2. WII Wii Play 63247 / 692918
3. NDS Pokemon Diamond/Pearl 58725 / 4575814
4. NDS Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 47689 / 928331
5. NDS General Knowledge Training 43058 / 1057287
6. NDS New Super Mario Bros. 38382 / 3986617
7. NDS Brain Training 2 36659 / 3890025
8. NDS Animal Crossing: Wild World 35400 / 3780889
9. NDS Hoshi no Kirby DS 26237 / 822302
10. NDS Mario Kart DS 22509 / 1868191
11. NDS Mega Man Star Force Pegasus/Leo/Dragon 21404 / 297379
12. WII Wario Ware: Smooth Moves 20700 / 277658
13. PSP MGS: Portable Ops 20525 / 268424
14. WII Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess 19651 / 353492
15. NDS English Training 19464 / 1584780
16. NDS 1000 Healthy DS Recipes 18705 / 248233
17. NDS Jump Ultimate Stars 18531 / 624846
18. PS2 Yakuza (BEST) 18454 / 326841
19. NDS Kanji Quiz DS 17951 / 393381
20. PS2 Yakuza 2 17575 / 531312
21. PSP Monster Hunter Portable (BEST) 16828 / 194226
22. NDS Brain Training 15948 / 3066595
23. NDS Love & Berry DS 14713 / 846183
24. PSP Tales of the World 14407 / 174998
25. PS2 Seiken Densetsu 4 12351 / 277193
26. PS2 The Battle of Yu Yu Hakusho 11856 / NEW
27. WII Pokemon Battle Revolution 11192 / 177169
28. NDS Chocobo and the Magic Picture Book 10220 / 113774
29. NDS Tetris DS 9727 / 1021012
30. WII Dragon Ball Z Sparking Neo 9313 / 51814
 
Amir0x said:
Probably with Wii HD, they'll JUST be getting to 360 level visuals. Presumably Xbox 720 and PS4 will go beyond that, unless they stupidly interpret that the message is not "the price sucks" but high end gaming that is the problem.

There´s no way that Nintendo´s next console will only be as powerful as 360. It´ll presumably come out in 2011 - and by then a $250 system (which will almost certainly be the US launch price) will be significantly more powerful than a 360. Expect all games in 1080p and 60 fps.
 

Tchu-Espresso

likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Bungalow Bob said:
There´s no way that Nintendo´s next console will only be as powerful as 360. It´ll presumably come out in 2011 - and by then a $250 system (which will almost certainly be the US launch price) will be significantly more powerful than a 360. Expect all games in 1080p and 60 fps.
Heh.
 

farnham

Banned
aloof said:
I feel that the Wii simply doesn't have enough compelling software in the pipeline to keep selling at this rate. Once people realize this fact and get over the novelty aspect of Wii, they will return to Sony and Playstation. PS3 has already sold fairly well in Japan despite the price and lack of a single good title geared for that region.

I dont get the Logic in your post


so the Wii will not sell because it has no games while the PS3 will sell although it has no games..??? please verify your theory


aloof said:
Who's going to want to play these types of games and non-games that we see on Wii a year or two down the line when games like MGS4, FF13, Killzone, Naughty Dog's game, WKS, DMC4, Assassin's Creed, Heavenly Sword, Gran Turismo 5 and so on, are released?


Hmm

MGS4 - 1 million + title in Japan
Killzone 2 - probably not even 500k
naughty dog game - looks like a below 500k title in japan.. gaijin game..
DMC 4 - 300k to 500k title in japan
Assassins Creed - irrelevant. gaijin game.. also multiplat
Heavenly sword - irrelevant. gaijin game


GT5 and FF13 look like 2008 titles


so from the games you listed only MGS4 looks like a potential million seller (ill add one more gundam mousou) in Japan.. if it does PS2 numbers which i doubt.. not even one game will hit 3 million units..


doesnt look that great if you consider how many DS games got over 1 million copies last year
 

Krowley

Member
Bungalow Bob said:
There´s no way that Nintendo´s next console will only be as powerful as 360. It´ll presumably come out in 2011 - and by then a $250 system (which will almost certainly be the US launch price) will be significantly more powerful than a 360. Expect all games in 1080p and 60 fps.


The problem with that line of thinking is that right now a 250 dollar system is significantly more powerfull than wii... Nintendo could have released a much beefier system than the wii, including the controler with the same price or even less... Especially if they were willing to sell at a small loss for a little while.

Apparently by certain measures, the 360 is 10 or 15 times more powerful than wii and it's only about double the price... I assume nintendo could have done better.
 
So the next famitsu chart will have NSMB, Animal Crossing, and BT2 all hit the 4 million mark. And Mario Kart hitting 2 million maybe. MC has all of them already doing this, right?
 
PantherLotus said:
What about MGS4? That should do pretty well. And although the 360 will never reach one million units in Japan, sure that counts as "true next gen" gameplay?

It´s almost a certainty that the 360 will sell over one million.

I´ll say it again - compare the 360´s marketshare right now to the XBOX´s marketshare when it was at 300 000.

To only compare the 360´s first year to the XBOX´s first year is foolish, because it doesn´t take into account that the 360 launched early, while the original launched late (relative to the competition).
 
Krowley said:
The problem with that line of thinking is that right now a 250 dollar system is significantly more powerfull than wii... Nintendo could have released a much beefier system than the wii, including the controler with the same price or even less... Especially if they were willing to sell at a small loss for a little while.

Apparently by certain measures, the 360 is 10 or 15 times more powerful than wii and it's only about double the price... I assume nintendo could have done better.

I wish they would have, but it's never been Nintendo's business philosophy, and looking at their financials...can't say I blame them.
 

Jokeropia

Member
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
16 DS Mario Kart DS 19000 2016000 98
43 DS Final Fantasy III 6500 970000 89
2 million for Mario Kart! FFIII will pass a million soon. :)
 
Krowley said:
The problem with that line of thinking is that right now a 250 dollar system is significantly more powerfull than wii... Nintendo could have released a much beefier system than the wii, including the controler with the same price or even less... Especially if they were willing to sell at a small loss for a little while.

Apparently by certain measures, the 360 is 10 or 15 times more powerful than wii and it's only about double the price... I assume nintendo could have done better.

Nintendo chose to release a small, energy efficient system. If they had chosen to release an XBOX-sized system, they could have released something more powerful at the same price (while still not taking a loss).

What I´m saying is that in 5 years a Wii-sized $250 system will be more powerful than a 360.

The only logical reason to expect the Wii´s successor to be just slightly more powerful than the Wii is if you expect the successor to be much smaller than the Wii.
 

andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
Amir0x said:
$50 is a lot of money. If you factor in the new burgeoning technology not included with previous gens, such as motion sensing or something, and additional functionality a net increase of $50 over inflation is not bad at all. If you always aim at the lowest common denominator with gaming, we'll go no where ever. So you have to have a good middle ground. PS3 is not that good middle ground. Neither is Wii.

This is crap. If you factor that into other technologies, then big screen TVs should all above $5000. I remember my mom buying our current 50+ inch sony in '93 for $7000. Now, you can find plenty of 50 inch plasmas for under 5 grand. Technology and manufacturing improves and I don't understand why gamers can't expect similar decreases in technology. PS3 is nothing but an arrogant play to shove technology down people's throat without the public demanding it.
 
Bungalow Bob said:
It´s almost a certainty that the 360 will sell over one million.

I´ll say it again - compare the 360´s marketshare right now to the XBOX´s marketshare when it was at 300 000.

To only compare the 360´s first year to the XBOX´s first year is foolish, because it doesn´t take into account that the 360 launched early, while the original launched late (relative to the competition).

What does marketshare have to do with the 360 trending below the original XBOX? Not to mention the PS2 was nice and entrenched before the XBOX 1 ever got to Japan.
 

Meier

Member
I tried to fix the formatting to be a bit more understandable.. some of the totals might be off now, but at least it looks a little more correct than all those random 0's and whatnot.

11 DS New Super Mario Brothers  27,000  / 4,030,0 00
15 DS Tea Dog's Room DS 2 1,900 /  190,0 00
16 DS Mario Kart DS  19,000 /  2,016,0 00
19 DS Kanji Brain Test 2M  16,000 /  262,000
22 DS IQ Supply  15,000  / 103,0 00
26 Wii The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess  14,000  / 356,0 00
35 DS DS Yama Method Math Drills  9,000  / 112,0 00
36 DS Heisei Education Committee DS  8,800 /  87,000
40 Wii Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2  8,000 /  86,000
43 DS Final Fantasy III  6,500 /  970,000
46 DS Mysterious Dungeon: Fuurai no Shiren DS  5,100 /  152,000
48 PSP World Soccer Winning Eleven 10: Ubiquitous Evolution  5,100 /  98,000
68 Wii Elebits  3,500 /  38,000
84 PS3 Armored Core 4 25 /  69,000
90 DS ☆?  / 230 /  9,500
92 Wii BREAD? 220 /  4,600
94 DS ATSU 220 /  4,200
 
DBZ WII, SSG, and Elebits seem to all be doign pretty decently. I expect DBZ WII to top 100,000 easily. Also given that 360 sold 4-7k each after core was released in nov. I expect that to be the norm for 2007 weekly sales besides huge release weeks. Given that. I expect 360 to top xbox LTD by the end of 2007(at the latest) despite the slower than xbox sales pre-BD. Personally if this gen is still a 4-5 year one I'de expect 360 to sell 700-800k in japan. If this gen is actually longer it might make 1 million+. Infact if 360 sells as much as it did in 2006 it will top xbox ltd. And so far its trending way ahead of 2006. Though who knows if holdiay 2007 with Lost Odessy will be as big as Holiday 2006 with BD. I expect LO to sell bigger due to a larger userbase but push less hardware.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
What does marketshare have to do with the 360 trending below the original XBOX? Not to mention the PS2 was nice and entrenched before the XBOX 1 ever got to Japan.

Next gen just started in Japan. That´s the other thing you have to take into account. The point is that the 360 will continue selling for many more years than the original XBOX.

Additionally, since worldwide the 360 will do much better than the XBOX did, it will get many more ports and exclusives that interest the Japanese. Therefore it will sell much better than the original in its second, third, forth, fifth and sixth years (both worldwide and in Japan).
 
Bungalow Bob said:
Next gen just started in Japan. That´s the other thing you have to take into account. The point is that the 360 will continue selling for many more years than the original XBOX.

Additionally, since worldwide the 360 will do much better than the XBOX did, it will get many more ports and exclusives that interest the Japanese. Therefore it will sell much better than the original in its second, third, forth, fifth and sixth years (both worldwide and in Japan).

Next Gen just starting is the reason that pointing to marketshare at all is ridiculous. Once the competitors take off the 360 will more than likely be marginalized. Hell, Microsoft has dropped from 100 percent of the next gen market to about 12 in not even 3 months.

Second, we were originally talking about Japan, so what does the rest of the world have to do with it?
 

jarrod

Banned
farnham said:
so from the games you listed only MGS4 looks like a potential million seller (ill add one more gundam mousou) in Japan.. if it does PS2 numbers which i doubt.. not even one game will hit 3 million units..


doesnt look that great if you consider how many DS games got over 1 million copies last year
Potential console million sellers for 2007 in Japan imo...

PlayStation 3
-Gundam Musou (Bandai Namco/Omega Force)
-Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Konami'Kojima Productions)
-Minna no Golf 5 (SCEI/Clap Hanz)
-Monster Hunter 3 (Capcom)

Wii
-Dragon Quest Sword: Kamen no Joou to Kagami no Tou (Square Enix/Armor project/Genius Sonority/8ing)
-Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers (Square Enix)
-Mario Party 8 (Nintendo/Hudson)
-Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo)
-Super Smash Bros. X (Nintendo/Sora/HAL Laboratory)
-Wii Music (Nintendo)
-Yawaraka Atama Juku (Nintendo)

Wii (from 2006)
-Hajimete no Wii (Nintendo)
-Wii Sports (Nintendo)


...the PS3 games really depend on how quick it can get userbase up though... those games could all quite easily top out around 500-800k depending on how the platform performs.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Next Gen just starting is the reason that pointing to marketshare at all is ridiculous. Once the competitors take off the 360 will more than likely be marginalized.

Second, we were originally talking about Japan, so what does the rest of the world have to do with it?

This might come as a shock to you, so please be sure you´re seated before continueing....

There are Japanese games that are released outside of Japan, and apeal to both westerners and the Japanese.

And not only that! Some western games actually get released in Japan and do well!

Well now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
 
Bungalow Bob said:
There´s no way that Nintendo´s next console will only be as powerful as 360. It´ll presumably come out in 2011 - and by then a $250 system (which will almost certainly be the US launch price) will be significantly more powerful than a 360. Expect all games in 1080p and 60 fps.

You expect too much. 720p is sure, but 1080p....I don't know.
 
jarrod said:
...and take EM out of the PS3 list (it won't even break 50k imo).

if Armored Core has only done 69k, i'd say that is almost a foregone conclusion. i seriously don't think gundam musou is going to be bigger than 80-100k but i may be giving the japanese too much credit
 
Bungalow Bob said:
This might come as a shock to you, so please be sure you´re seated before continueing....

There are Japanese games that are released outside of Japan, and apeal to both westerners and the Japanese.

And not only that! Some western games actually get released in Japan and do well!

Well now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

You do know that the 360 has been out for a year, right?

Do me a favour, and point me in the direction of this magical game that will get Japan to embrace the 360 enough to push it over a million lifetime, when the biggest game for it to date couldn't even push 100,000 units?

Or,

show me the developer that will continue to risk wasting money on the 360 in Japan when there are two other systems that are sure to have most japanese-centric titles

Or,

Show me how the 360 will surpass the original XBOX when it couldn't do it when it had the market to itself unopposed for one year?

Guaranteed to hit a million? C'mon..

(Thinking about it, why am I even bothering to argue this? 1 million units lifetime, who cares?)
 

jarrod

Banned
meltpotato said:
if Armored Core has only done 69k, i'd say that is almost a foregone conclusion. i seriously don't think gundam musou is going to be bigger than 80-100k but i may be giving the japanese too much credit
I dunno, I think Gundam Musou's going to be huge... at least comparably. I'd say 200-300k is probably worst case (total-B0mba!) scenario for it.

Can't wait for Super Mario Musou myself! :lol
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
You do know that the 360 has been out for a year, right?

Do me a favour, and point me in the direction of this magical game that will get Japan to embrace the 360 enough to push it over a million lifetime, when the biggest game for it to date couldn't even push 100,000 units?

Or,

show me the developer that will continue to risk wasting money on the 360 in Japan when there are two other systems that are sure to have most japanese-centric titles

Or,

Show me how the 360 will surpass the original XBOX when it couldn't do it when it had the market to itself unopposed for one year?

Guaranteed to hit a million? C'mon..

(Thinking about it, why am I even bothering to argue this? 1 million units lifetime, who cares?)

:lol
Because you are foolish.
 

cvxfreak

Member
marvelharvey said:
But I wanted to be a baker! ;_;

Baker Training confirmed

DeaconKnowledge said:
Do me a favour, and point me in the direction of this magical game that will get Japan to embrace the 360 enough to push it over a million lifetime, when the biggest game for it to date couldn't even push 100,000 units?

Not that I disagree with your argument but BD surpassed 100K a long time ago.
 

farnham

Banned
marvelharvey said:
'Bread?'? What on earth is that?

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ziran

Member
jarrod said:
Potential console million sellers for 2007 in Japan imo...

PlayStation 3
-Gundam Musou (Bandai Namco/Omega Force)
-Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Konami'Kojima Productions)
-Minna no Golf 5 (SCEI/Clap Hanz)
-Monster Hunter 3 (Capcom)

Wii
-Dragon Quest Sword: Kamen no Joou to Kagami no Tou (Square Enix/Armor project/Genius Sonority/8ing)
-Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers (Square Enix)
-Mario Party 8 (Nintendo/Hudson)
-Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo)
-Super Smash Bros. X (Nintendo/Sora/HAL Laboratory)
-Wii Music (Nintendo)
-Yawaraka Atama Juku (Nintendo)

Wii (from 2006)
-Hajimete no Wii (Nintendo)
-Wii Sports (Nintendo)


...the PS3 games really depend on how quick it can get userbase up though... those games could all quite easily top out around 500-800k depending on how the platform performs.
i think super paper mario has a good chance of becoming a huge seller in japan, especially if nintendo adds super mario bros to the title.
 

dyls

Member
Bungalow Bob said:
Next gen just started in Japan. That´s the other thing you have to take into account. The point is that the 360 will continue selling for many more years than the original XBOX.

Additionally, since worldwide the 360 will do much better than the XBOX did, it will get many more ports and exclusives that interest the Japanese. Therefore it will sell much better than the original in its second, third, forth, fifth and sixth years (both worldwide and in Japan).


At this point those are two pretty big assumptions.
 
Sorry about the BREAD, excite translator gave me that when put I put what cvxfreak posted :lol
The star game is unknown to me for the moment, I think atsu is atsumare-something but I don't remember what game is it...

Some comments at new releases this week but not accurate numbers, I'm going to need some help with this since its not easy for me to translate, anyway here I go (correct me if I get something wrong):

PS2 Grand Theft Auto San Andreas - up to 200.000 (for the week, not first day, if all goes well through the weekend)
NDS Sangokushi Taisen - sold out (high popularity, arcade very popular but shops didn't ask for many units, half the target already sold first day)
NDS Wish Room: Tenshi no Kioku - better start than Another Code (good word of mouth)
NDS Picross DS - going to exceed 50.000 slighty first week
PS2 Pachinko Fuyu no Sonata - 80.000 cleared (?)
360 Idolmaster - similar numbers to Seikaiju no Meikyuu last week (20k?)
 
dyls said:
At this point those are two pretty big assumptions.

They´re assumptions, though I wouldn´t call them big.

One thing that´s a fact though, is that the 360 lauched early, while the XBOX launched late. This is a huge advantage the 360 has relative to the XBOX.
 

Krowley

Member
Bungalow Bob said:
Nintendo chose to release a small, energy efficient system. If they had chosen to release an XBOX-sized system, they could have released something more powerful at the same price (while still not taking a loss).

What I´m saying is that in 5 years a Wii-sized $250 system will be more powerful than a 360.

The only logical reason to expect the Wii´s successor to be just slightly more powerful than the Wii is if you expect the successor to be much smaller than the Wii.


No.. I expect wii's successor to be slightly more powerful than 360 (in the same way that wii is slightly more powerful than the current gen xbox)... Unless wii doesn't end up being as successful as we think it might be...

I think they could make a system like that in the 200 dollar range and still have the same kind of profit margins they are getting with wii right now.

I don't expect it to be a big jump over ps3/360 though and if wii is a big success i expect ms and sony's next systems to be much more modest than the ones they released this round in terms of hardware escalation.
 
cvxfreak said:
Atsumare/Viva Pinata

EDIT: Are you sure it's a DS game Kurosaki?
Mmm, yes thats what they posted but it could be Piñata. The atsumare I remembered was Powerprokun Koushien but thats an old title.

90 DS ☆ 2300 95000 94
94 DS アッ 2200 42000 83

I don't know which game is the star either ^^u
 
i think they will buld something as powerful as they can while fitting it in a small/heat efficient package and selling it at a sub 300 price. how much more powerful than the 360 depends on the tech of the next few years. They are starting to do wonderous things with cpu power consumption/heat efficiency. And that is going to be a big area of growth in the next few years. So it may be more powerful than you'd think.
 

jarrod

Banned
ziran said:
i think super paper mario has a good chance of becoming a huge seller in japan, especially if nintendo adds super mario bros to the title.
I guess there's an outside chance, but I don't think the game will be able to overcome it's "secondary Mario" perception, especially with Galaxy coming this year as well. Probably a solid 500k+ seller though.
 

Yamauchi

Banned
Judging by online prices, demand for the Wii seems to be waning a bit in Japan. I'm guessing it will average around 50k per week for the rest of the year.
 
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