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[Chris1964]

Famitsu (as of 23/05/10)

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|    |     [NDS] NSMB    |[WII] Mario Galaxy |  [WII] NSMB Wii   |       difference      |
|    |     (25/05/06)    |    (01/11/07)     |     (03/12/09)    |                       |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |NSMBW-NSMB | NSMBW-SMG |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|  1 |  865.024|  865.024|  256.431|  256.431|  936.734|  936.734|     71.710|    680.393|
|  2 |  315.197|1.180.221|   78.439|  334.690|  464.824|1.401.558|    221.337|  1.066.868|
|  3 |  242.932|1.423.153|   43.317|  378.007|  570.512|1.972.070|    548.917|  1.594.063|
|  4 |  204.007|1.627.160|   37.484|  415.491|  513.080|2.485.150|    857.990|  2.069.659|
|  5 |  169.852|1.797.012|   36.354|  451.845|  255.494|2.740.644|    943.632|  2.288.799|
|  6 |  153.047|1.950.009|   48.750|  500.595|  128.503|2.869.147|    919.088|  2.368.552|
|  7 |  132.375|2.082.434|   70.541|  571.136|  133.606|3.002.753|    920.319|  2.431.617|
|  8 |  120.220|2.202.654|  109.029|  680.165|  115.704|3.118.457|    915.803|  2.438.292|
|  9 |  146.837|2.349.491|   67.519|  747.684|   89.809|3.208.266|    858.775|  2.460.582|
| 10 |  114.471|2.463.962|   62.017|  809.701|   61.762|3.270.028|    806.066|  2.460.327|
| 11 |  103.008|2.566.970|   17.617|  827.318|   59.213|3.329.241|    762.271|  2.501.923|
| 12 |  119.991|2.686.961|   16.643|  843.961|   48.967|3.378.208|    691.247|  2.534.247|
| 13 |  115.335|2.802.296|    9.056|  853.017|   41.672|3.419.880|    617.584|  2.566.863|
| 14 |   66.336|2.868.632|    7.234|  860.251|   41.263|3.461.143|    592.511|  2.600.892|
| 15 |   72.235|2.940.867|    6.344|  866.595|   37.521|3.498.664|    557.797|  2.632.069|
| 16 |   51.643|2.992.510|    5.868|  872.463|   37.252|3.535.916|    543.406|  2.663.453|
| 17 |   52.070|3.044.580|    4.357|  876.820|   51.839|3.587.755|    543.175|  2.710.935|
| 18 |   54.595|3.099.175|        -|        -|   49.454|3.637.209|    538.034|          -|
| 19 |   51.541|3.150.716|        -|        -|   38.684|3.675.893|    525.177|          -|
| 20 |   37.678|3.188.394|        -|        -|   30.736|3.706.629|    518.235|          -|
| 21 |   39.915|3.228.309|        -|        -|   26.092|3.732.721|    504.412|          -|
| 22 |   30.564|3.258.873|        -|        -|   39.125|3.771.846|    512.973|          -|
| 23 |   33.482|3.292.355|        -|        -|   39.087|3.810.933|    518.545|          -|
| 24 |   31.940|3.324.295|        -|        -|   15.597|3.826.530|    502.235|          -|
| 25 |   26.939|3.351.234|        -|        -|   13.713|3.840.243|    489.009|          -|
| 26 |   23.777|3.375.011|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 27 |   32.086|3.407.097|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 28 |   28.132|3.435.229|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 29 |   45.298|3.480.527|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 30 |   72.194|3.552.721|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 31 |  185.021|3.737.742|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 32 |   80.472|3.818.214|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Year|   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |NSMBW-NSMB | NSMBW-SMG |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|  1 |3.818.214|3.818.214|  747.684|  747.684|2.485.150|2.485.150| -1.333.064|  1.737.466|
|  2 |1.176.939|4.995.153|  197.442|  945.106|1.341.380|3.840.243| -1.154.910|  2.895.137|
|  3 |  377.034|5.372.187|         |         |         |         |           |           |
|  4 |  287.399|5.659.586|         |  977.178|         |         |           |           |
|  5 |  163.678|5.823.264|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
| LTD|        -|5.823.264|        -|  977.178|        -|3.840.243| -1.983.021|  2.863.065|
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01. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - / 6.810.000
02. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 865.024 / 5.823.264
03. [NGB] Super Mario Land (Nintendo) - / 4.190.000
04. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 936.734 / 3.840.243
05. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. 3 (Nintendo) - / 3.840.000
06. [SFC] Super Mario World (Nintendo) - / 3.550.000
07. [NGB] Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins (Nintendo) - / 2.700.000
08. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo) - / 2.650.000
09. [SFC] Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (Nintendo) - / 1.770.000
10. [N64] Super Mario 64 (Nintendo) - 162.111 / 1.639.921
11. [NFC] Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - / 1.630.000
12. [NGB] Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land (Nintendo) - / 1.590.000
13. [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) - 256.431 / 977.178
14. [GCN] Super Mario Sunshine (Nintendo) - 280.610 / 789.989

Super Mario Land is next.

 

[BowieZ]

1-3 were all launch/pack-in titles, pretty much, right?

 

[Chris1964]

No. Only SML was a launch title.

Next week releases (10/06/10)

[NDS] Mega Man Zero Collection (Capcom)
[NDS] Maru Goukaku Shikaku Dasshu! Gyouseishoshi Shiken (Media 5)
[NDS] Ippan Zaidan Houjin: Nippon Kanji Shuujukudo Kentei Kikou Kounen - Tsuutenkaku DS (Now Production)

[PSP] Wand of Fortune Portable (Idea Factory)

[WII] Xenoblade (Nintendo)
[WII] Karaoke Joysound Wii: Duet Kyokuhen (Hudson)
[WII] Karaoke Joysound Wii: Enka Kayoukyouku Hen (Hudson)

[PS3] Grand Theft Auto IV: Episodes from Liberty City (Rockstar Games)
[PS3] Just Cause 2 (Square Enix)
[PS3] Saints Row 2 [THQ Collection] (THQ)

[360] Grand Theft Auto IV: Episodes from Liberty City (Rockstar Games)
[360] Just Cause 2 (Square Enix)
[360] Saints Row 2 [Platinum Collection] (THQ)

 

[gerg]

So... what do people think of NSMB Wii's chances of getting to five million sales are?

Am I underestimating its legs?

 

[Chris1964]

So... what do people think of NSMB Wii's chances of getting to five million sales are?

Am I underestimating its legs?

101% possibility.

 

[Moor-Angol]

Well, is it just me that find this first week of SMG2 as disappointing?

not disappointing, it did more than it precedessor

but also i don't understand such those positive comments... it has been 2 years and 1/2 since Mario Galaxy, how many Wii have been sold in such this time ?
and it sold just 40% more than Galaxy 1

it has some chances to become million seller, but really far fom NSMB results

 

[cvxfreak]

101% possibility.

Well, it's either possible or impossible.

What are its chances?

 

[Chris1964]

not disappointing, it did more than it precedessor

but also i don't understand such those positive comments... it has been 2 years and 1/2 since Mario Galaxy, how many Wii have been sold in such this time ?
and it sold just 40% more than Galaxy 1

it has some chances to become million seller, but really far fom NSMB results

That's very simplified. When White Knight Chronicles 2 comes out it will be 1,5 year from the first and PS3 has already more than doubled its sales since then. Will the sequel have to double the sales of the original to be considered a success?

The target for Galaxy 2 always was to at least match the sales of Galaxy 1. NSMBW was out of the question.

 

[schuelma]

but also i don't understand such those positive comments... it has been 2 years and 1/2 since Mario Galaxy, how many Wii have been sold in such this time ?
and it sold just 40% more than Galaxy 1

That's just such poor logic really.

 

[duckroll]

That's very simplified. When White Knight Chronicles 2 comes out it will be 1,5 year from the first and PS3 has already more than doubled its sales since then. Will the sequel have to double the sales of the original to be considered a success?

Yes, it does. If WKC doesn't sell at least 700k, it's a total failure. If it doesn't sell 1 million, Level 5 should abandon the PS3. I agree with this assessment completely!

 

[Stumpokapow]

That's very simplified. When White Knight Chronicles 2 comes out it will be 1,5 year from the first and PS3 has already more than doubled its sales since then. Will the sequel have to double the sales of the original to be considered a success?

that depends on whether or not you think the ps3's install base in december 2008 limited wkc or not, same as the galaxy1->galaxy2 comparison.

i mean, on the one hand, individual game sales clearly don't scale linearly with hardware install base changes. on the other hand, there are also clearly games whose sales are limited by the hardware install base that they're on because not every game is a system seller.

(note that i'm not endorsing this for galaxy 2 or wkc 2 in particular)

wkc2 will be an interesting case regardless, because it's post-ps3 revival (works in its favour) and it's a direct narrative sequel to a poorly received game that most people who bought probably didn't finish or exhaust (works against it).

 

[Spiegel]

Famitsu

[WII] Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo) - 337500
[NDS] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Masou Kishin - The Lord of Elemental (Bandai Namco) - 86100
[NDS] Medarot DS: Kabuto / Kuwagata (Rocket Company) - 62000
[NDS] Let's Make a Pro Soccer Club! DS World Challenge 2010 (Sega) - 49500
[360] DeathSmiles IIX (Cave) - 17600
[360] Alan Wake (Microsoft Game Studios) - 16000
[PSP] Blaze Union: Story to Reach the Future (Atlus Co.) - 9300
[PS2] Strike Witches: Anata to Dekiru Koto - A Little Peaceful Days (Russel) - 4500
[PS2] Suzunone Seven: Rebirth Knot (Alchemist) - 4200
[NDS] Yumeiro Patisserie: My Sweets Cooking (Konami) - 3200
[PS3] Midnight Club: LA (best) - 1100
[Wii] Red Steel 2 - 1000

There are more games with numbers on the blog but I don't know their exact names.

 

[m.i.s.]

The target for Galaxy 2 always was to at least match the sales of Galaxy 1. NSMBW was out of the question.

Just a scattered musing: would a 2.5D Super Mario game (played on a 2D plane but presented in 3D like Klonoa) ever do as good sales-wise as the traditional Mario sidescroller?

 

[dolemite]

Looks like Red Steel 2 got bested by Midnight Club LA

 

[Stumpokapow]

Just a scattered musing: would a 2.5D Super Mario game (played on a 2D plane but presented in 3D like Klonoa) ever do as good sales-wise as the traditional Mario sidescroller?

there's no evidence either way because there are no 2.5d-ala-Klonoa platformers except Klonoa, Tomba... and... uh... no, that's just about it.

 

[Chris1964]

There are more games with numbers on the blog but I don't know their exact names.

Full list

[WII] Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo) - 337.500
[NDS] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Masou Kishin - The Lord of Elemental (Bandai Namco) - 86.100
[NDS] Medarot DS: Kabuto / Kuwagata (Rocket Company) - 62.000
[NDS] Let's Make a Pro Soccer Club! DS World Challenge 2010 (Sega) - 49.500
[360] DeathSmiles IIX (Cave) - 17.600
[360] Alan Wake (Microsoft Game Studios) - 16.000
[PSP] Blaze Union: Story to Reach the Future (Atlus Co.) - 9.300
[PS2] Strike Witches: Anata to Dekiru Koto - A Little Peaceful Days (Russel) - 4.500
[PS2] Suzunone Seven: Rebirth Knot (Alchemist) - 4.200
[PSP] So-Ra-No-Wo-To: Otome no Gojuusou (Compile Heart) - 3.400
[PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 16: Pachinko Hissatsu Shigotojin III (Hackberry) - 3.400
[NDS] Yumeiro Patisserie: My Sweets Cooking (Konami) - 3.200
[PSP] Secret Game Portable (Yeti) - 3.000
[NDS] Sekai no Hate Made Itte Q! Chinjuu Hunter Mono no Daibouken (Kamui) - 2.300
[PS2] Desert Kingdom (Idea Factory) - 1.900
[NDS] Kunio-Kun no Chou Nekketsu! Soccer League Plus World Hyper Cup Hen (Arc System Works) - 1.700
[PS3] Midnight Club: Los Angeles [Spike the Best] (Spike) - 1.100
[WII] Red Steel 2 (Ubisoft) - 1.000

 

[Moor-Angol]

That's just such poor logic really.

Mario Kart Wii
Smash Bros Brawl
New Super Mario Bros Wii

those titles really had a successfull 1st week, considering they are big franchises for the market home leader

they all broke records for Nintendo games

so i cannot say Galaxy 2 first week is successfull just because sold 340k instead of 250k...
when Smash Bros in nov.2001 sold 350k it was a really strong result, there were less than 1M Gamecube sold around Japan.
honestly i expected around 400-450k for Galaxy 2, iirc i read somewhere in sales-age topic it had the double preoders Galaxy 1 had (source comgnet)

is that still a poor logic consideration ?

 

[Chris1964]

honestly i expected around 400-450k for Galaxy 2, iirc i read somewhere in sales-age topic it had the double preorders Galaxy 1 had (source comgnet).

I think I saw that somewhere too, but it's false. Galaxy 2 had 50% more preorders from Galaxy 1 (comgnet).

 

[Chris1964]

Famitsu (as of 30/05/10)

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|    |[GCN]Mario Sunshine| [WII]Mario Galaxy |[WII]Mario Galaxy 2|       difference      |
|    |     (19/07/02)    |    (01/11/07)     |     (27/05/10)    |                       |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  SMG2-SMS |  SMG2-SMG |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|  1 |  280.610|  280.610|  256.431|  256.431|  337.500|  337.500|     56.980|     81.159|
|  2 |  102.576|  383.186|   78.439|  334.690|         |         |           |           |
|  3 |   59.975|  443.161|   43.317|  378.007|         |         |           |           |
|  4 |   39.562|  482.723|   37.484|  415.491|         |         |           |           |
|  5 |   43.921|  526.644|   36.354|  451.845|         |         |           |           |
|  6 |   22.794|  549.438|   48.750|  500.595|         |         |           |           |
|  7 |   18.588|  568.026|   70.541|  571.136|         |         |           |           |
|  8 |   13.739|  581.765|  109.029|  680.165|         |         |           |           |
|  9 |    9.891|  591.656|   67.519|  747.684|         |         |           |           |
| 10 |    8.929|  600.585|   62.017|  809.701|         |         |           |           |
| 11 |    8.820|  609.405|   17.617|  827.318|         |         |           |           |
| 12 |    6.827|  616.232|   16.643|  843.961|         |         |           |           |
| 13 |    5.927|  622.159|    9.056|  853.017|         |         |           |           |
| 14 |    6.146|  628.305|    7.234|  860.251|         |         |           |           |
| 15 |    5.194|  633.499|    6.344|  866.595|         |         |           |           |
| 16 |    5.112|  638.611|    5.868|  872.463|         |         |           |           |
| 17 |    4.366|  642.977|    4.357|  876.820|         |         |           |           |
| 18 |    2.156|  645.133|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 19 |    2.651|  647.784|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 20 |    2.721|  650.505|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 21 |    3.481|  653.986|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 22 |    4.446|  658.432|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 23 |    9.965|  668.397|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 24 |    9.043|  677.440|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Year|   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |  SMG2-SMS |  SMG2-SMG |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|  1 |  677.440|  677.440|  747.684|  747.684|  337.500|  337.500|   -339.940|   -410.184|
|  2 |   84.358|  761.798|  197.442|  945.106|         |         |           |           |
|  3 |   28.191|  789.989|         |         |         |         |           |           |
|  4 |        -|        -|         |  977.178|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
| LTD|        -|  789.989|        -|  977.178|        -|  337.500|   -452.489|   -639.678|
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. [N64] Super Mario 64 (Nintendo) - 162.111 / 1.639.921
2. [NDS] Super Mario 64 DS(Nintendo) - 120.062 / 1.162.478
3. [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) - 256.431 / 977.178
4. [GCN] Super Mario Sunshine (Nintendo) - 280.610 / 789.989
5. [WII] Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo) - 337.500 / 337.500

 

[donny2112]

Famitsu

[WII] Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo) - 337500

Thanks! This provides two things.

1) Confirmation of the ballpark for Inside-Game's numbers.
2) Let's us compare Famitsu 1st day to Famitsu 1st week.

 

[m.i.s.]

there's no evidence either way because there are no 2.5d-ala-Klonoa platformers except Klonoa, Tomba... and... uh... no, that's just about it.

Hrmph!

So there you have it. Like spherical worlds for Super Mario Galaxy, what we have here is the genesis of a conceptual idea for a true sequel to Super Mario World.

There you go Mr Miyamoto. Less Wii ____, more Super Mario that's what I say!!

 

[duckroll]

Are we doing any predictions for Xenoblade? Or are we all just settling on "might do 100k, probably won't, hopefully it does close to 200k LTD"?

 

[AceBandage]

Are we doing any predictions for Xenoblade? Or are we all just settling on "might do 100k, probably won't, hopefully it does close to 200k LTD"?

50K first week.
Drops off the chart after that.

 

[Chris1964]

Reading about Wii Party I think it is Wii Play Resort + Mario Party Wii. 10 million for FY that Iwata is expecting are definetely possible.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/06/03/wii_party_details/

Are we doing any predictions for Xenoblade? Or are we all just settling on "might do 100k, probably won't, hopefully it does close to 200k LTD"?

Xenoblade, GTA and Mega Man Zero?

 

[AceBandage]

Reading about Wii Party I think it is Wii Play Resort + Mario Party Wii. 10 million for FY that Iwata is expecting are definetely possible.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/06/03/wii_party_details/

"HMV also confirms that Nintendo will be selling the game as part of an optional Wiimote bundle. A retailer revealed yesterday that Nintendo would be offering the game bundled with a pink or white Wiimote."

Yeah, 10 million easy. This will just replace WiiPlay.

 

[duckroll]

Xenoblade, GTA and Mega Man Zero?

Which GTA is this? The expansion for PS3/360? No point doing one for Mega Man Zero Collection imo, it's not even going to chart.

 

[Chris1964]

Which GTA is this? The expansion for PS3/360? No point doing one for Mega Man Zero Collection imo, it's not even going to chart.

The Lost and Damned + The Ballad of Gay Tony episodes on one disc.

Mega Man will chart just not in top 10.

 

[jay]

there's no evidence either way because there are no 2.5d-ala-Klonoa platformers except Klonoa, Tomba... and... uh... no, that's just about it.

You're forgetting the 30 million seller Pandemonium.

 

[Jaruru]

1-3 were all launch/pack-in titles, pretty much, right?

definitely not
02. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 865.024 / 5.823.264

 

[duckroll]

The Lost and Damned + The Ballad of Gay Tony episodes on one disc.

Mega Man will chart just not in top 10.

Ah okay.

Yes, that's what I meant. It won't be in the top10, so I don't really see much of a point honestly. It's really up to everyone else though.

 

[BowieZ]

definitely not
02. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 865.024 / 5.823.264

Oh, right. I wasn't really closely following gaming during my university years, and I thought the DS came out early 2005 and NSMB late 2005.

 

[schuelma]

Xenoblade- 65K first week, 110K or so LTD.

 

[duckroll]

I honestly reckon it'll do like 80-90k in the first week. Not an official prediction though!

 

[AFreak]

there's no evidence either way because there are no 2.5d-ala-Klonoa platformers except Klonoa, Tomba... and... uh... no, that's just about it.

Pandemonium mother fucker...do you speak it?

 

[donny2112]

"HMV also confirms that Nintendo will be selling the game as part of an optional Wiimote bundle. A retailer revealed yesterday that Nintendo would be offering the game bundled with a pink or white Wiimote."

The Pink Wiimote is usually bundled with Motion+, so hopefully, this uses Motion+, too.

 

[king zell]

this week releases

http://www.true-gaming.net/home/10838

 

[gerg]

Reading about Wii Party I think it is Wii Play Resort + Mario Party Wii. 10 million for FY that Iwata is expecting are definetely possible.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/06/03/wii_party_details/

So, given that Wii Party's success is assured, I guess the million-dollar question is "Will it do anything for the Wii's hardware sales?" and I think there's the chance that it might. Perhaps it won't be as strong as NSMB Wii in that regard, but I'd expect more than the Wii benefited from WSR.

 

[onken]

wkc2 will be an interesting case regardless, because it's post-ps3 revival (works in its favour) and it's a direct narrative sequel to a poorly received game that most people who bought probably didn't finish or exhaust (works against it).

Though actually, WKC2 will come with the whole WKC1 story mode in the new tweaked engine. Which is the only reason I'll probably buy it.

 

[Vinci]

Reading about Wii Party I think it is Wii Play Resort + Mario Party Wii. 10 million for FY that Iwata is expecting are definetely possible.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/06/03/wii_party_details/

That's a helluva potent mix.

 

[Kilrogg]

Do we know if the game will also be sold separately, and if so, how much it will cost?

 

[Chris1964]

Do we know if the game will also be sold separately, and if so, how much it will cost?

¥4.800 standalone
¥6.800 with Pink or White Wiimote

Famitsu comparisons

23/06/96 [N64] Super Mario 64 (Nintendo) - 162.111 / 1.639.921
18/07/97 [N64] Super Mario 64 (Rumble Pack Version) (Nintendo) - 6.644 / 6.644
01/03/00 [NGB] Super Mario Bros. Deluxe (Nintendo) - 24.234 / 81.056
21/03/01 [GBA] Super Mario Advance: Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 219.551 / 887.505
14/12/01 [GBA] Super Mario Advance 2: Super Mario World (Nintendo) - 113.183 / 919.234
19/07/02 [GCN] Super Mario Sunshine (Nintendo) - 280.610 / 789.989
20/09/02 [GBA] Super Mario Advance 3: Yoshi's Island (Nintendo) - 95.596 / 515.633
11/07/03 [GBA] Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 (Nintendo) - 105.813 / 718.207
14/02/04 [GBA] Famicom Mini: Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 63.894 / 1.280.158
21/05/04 [GBA] Famicom Mini: Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 18.673 / 92.521
10/08/04 [GBA] Famicom Mini: Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo) - 52.705 / 365.456
02/12/04 [NDS] Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo) - 120.062 / 1.162.478
25/05/06 [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 865.024 / 5.819.137
01/11/07 [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) - 256.341 / 977.178
03/12/09 [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 936.734 / 3.826.530
27/05/10 [WII] Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo) - 337.500 / 337.500

28/06/07 [PS2] Super Robot Wars OG: Original Generations (Banpresto) - 332.373 / 435.411
27/12/07 [PS2] Super Robot Wars OG Gaiden (Banpresto) - 198.539 / 295.961
29/05/08 [NDS] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Endless Frontier (Bandai Namco) - 90.248 / 120.556
25/02/10 [NDS] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Endless Frontier Exceed (Bandai Namco) - 78.773 / 91.200
27/05/10 [NDS] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Masou Kishin - The Lord of Elemental (Bandai Namco) - 86.100 / 86.100

28/11/97 [NGB] Medarot: Kabuto / Kuwagata (Imagineer) - 14.119 / 226.191
20/03/98 [NGB] Medarot: Parts Collection (Imagineer) - 23.796 / 23.796
29/05/98 [NGB] Medarot: Parts Collection 2 (Imagineer) - 4.931 / 4.931
23/07/99 [NGB] Medarot 2: Kabuto / Kuwagata (Imagineer) - 71.666 / 485.259
29/10/99 [NGB] Medarot 2: Parts Collection (Imagineer) - 12.471 / 45.490
25/11/99 [PS1] Medarot R (Imagineer) - 38.227 / 64.594
10/03/00 [NGB] Medarot: Card Robottle (Imagineer) - 10.915 / 10.915
16/03/00 [PS1] Medarot R: Parts Collection (Imagineer) - 5.975 / 5.975
23/07/00 [NGB] Medarot 3: Kabuto / Kuwagata (Imagineer) - 80.243 / 235.616
24/11/00 [NGB] Medarot 3: Parts Collection - Z Kara no Chousenjou (Imagineer) - 21.370 / 39.316
23/03/01 [NGB] Medarot 4: Kabuto / Kuwagata (Imagineer) - 59.229 / 115.672
07/09/01 [GBA] Medarot G Nabi: Kabuto / Kuwagata (Imagineer) - 25.802 / 57.517
14/12/01 [NGB] Medarot 5: Kabuto / Kuwagata (Imagineer) - 13.675 / 44.918
19/07/02 [GBA] Medarot G: Kabuto / Kuwagata (Natsume) - 19.090 / 49.270
18/04/03 [GBA] Medarot G 2: Kabuto / Kuwagata (Natsume) - 8.627 / 8.627
28/11/03 [GCN] Medarot G Brave (Natsume) - 7.331 / 21.298
27/05/10 [NDS] Medarot DS: Kabuto / Kuwagata (Rocket Company) - 62.000 / 62.000

23/02/96 [SAT] J-League Pro Soccer Club o Tsukurou (Sega) - 104.850 / 228.304
20/11/97 [SAT] J-League Pro Soccer Club o Tsukurou 2 (Sega) - 173.310 / 431.883
30/09/99 [SDC] J-League Pro Soccer Club! (Sega) - 159.725 / 305.336
22/12/00 [SDC] Soccer Tsuku Tokudai Gou: J-League Pro Soccer Club o Tsukurou (Sega) - 85.991 / 171.920
13/12/01 [SDC] Soccer Tsuku Tokudai Gou 2: J-League Pro Soccer Club o Tsukurou (Sega) - 31.436 / 61.187
07/03/02 [PS2] J-League Pro Soccer Club! 2002 (Sega) - 216.416 / 532.060
05/09/02 [GBA] J-League Pro Soccer Club! Advance (Sega) - 9.509 / 13.568
05/06/03 [PS2] J-League Pro Soccer Club! 3 (Sega) - 258.309 / 507.873
24/06/04 [PS2] J-League Pro Soccer Club! 4 (Sega) - 194.275 / 351.403
29/03/06 [PS2] J-League Pro Soccer Club! European Championship (Sega) - 153.906 / 247.931
01/02/07 [PS2] J-League Pro Soccer Club! 5 (Sega) - 108.334 / 174.906
20/11/08 [NDS] Let's Make a Pro Soccer Club! DS Touch and Direct (Sega) - 72.530 / 137.051
12/11/09 [PSP] J-League Pro Soccer Club! 6: Pride of J (Sega) - 90.250 / 146.371
27/05/10 [NDS] Let's Make a Pro Soccer Club! DS World Challenge 2010 (Sega) - 49.500 / 49.500

23/04/09 [360] DeathSmiles (Cave) - 20.302 / 27.630
27/05/10 [360] DeathSmiles IIX (Cave) - 17.600 / 17.600

26/11/09 [NDS] Strike Witches: Battle in the Blue Sky - The New Commander Fights! (Russel) - 7.795 / 7.795
27/05/10 [PS2] Strike Witches: Anata to Dekiru Koto - A Little Peaceful Days (Russel) - 4.500 / 4.500

25/11/99 [PS1] Pachitte Chonmage (Hackberry) - 8.337 / 8.337
18/04/02 [PS1] Pachitte Chonmage 3: Kyoraku Official Gladiator & Call-Chan (Hackberry) - 4.657 / 4.657
06/02/03 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 2 (Hackberry) - 2.471 / 2.471
29/05/03 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 4: Knockdown Kingdom (Hackberry) - 13.514 / 45.805
15/04/04 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 5: CR Kamen Rider (Hackberry) - 6.796 / 22.490
15/07/04 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 6: Ierokyabu (Hackberry) - 7.086 / 19.853
07/10/04 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 7: Dokaben (Hackberry) - 3.656 / 3.656
04/08/05 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 8: Ultra Seven (Hackberry) - 13.428 / 40.052
27/10/05 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 9: Mito Koumon (Hackberry) - 12.790 / 35.792
25/01/07 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 10: Winter Sonata (Hackberry) - 48.106 / 107.986
24/05/07 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 12: Ultra Man (Hackberry) - 17.677 / 47.871
22/11/07 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 13: Pachinko Hissatsu Shigotojin III (Hackberry) - 42.358 / 108.837
21/02/08 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 14: Pachinko Kamen Rider; Shocker Zenmetsu Daisakusen (Hackberry) - 13.550 / 26.625
25/12/08 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 15: Pachinko Fuyu no Sonata 2 (Hackberry) - 27.093 / 54.127
27/05/10 [PS2] Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 16: Pachinko Hissatsu Shigotojin III (Hackberry) - 3.400 / 3.400

25/08/05 [GBA] Kunio-kun Nekketsu! Collection 1 (Atlus Co.) - / 17.166
04/02/10 [NDS] Kunio-kun Nekketsu! Daiundoukai (Arc System Works) - 8.681 / 11.500
27/05/10 [NDS] Kunio-Kun no Chou Nekketsu! Soccer League Plus World Hyper Cup Hen (Arc System Works) - 1.700 / 1.700

02/12/06 [WII] Red Steel (Ubisoft) - 8.823 / 45.411
27/05/10 [WII] Red Steel 2 (Ubisoft) - 1.000 / 1.000

 

[cw_sasuke]

02/12/06 [WII] Red Steel (Ubisoft) - 8.823 / 45.411
27/05/10 [WII] Red Steel 2 (Ubisoft) - 1.000 / 1.000

Wow...just wow.

 

[Shadow Red]

Only 16k for Deathsmiles II? I thought Deathsmiles was popular in Japan.

 

[onken]

Only 16k for Deathsmiles II? I thought Deathsmiles was popular in Japan.

Well the last one did 20k first week (before it dropped off the charts forever), so it's not that much different.

 

[apujanata]

That's very simplified. When White Knight Chronicles 2 comes out it will be 1,5 year from the first and PS3 has already more than doubled its sales since then. Will the sequel have to double the sales of the original to be considered a success?

The target for Galaxy 2 always was to at least match the sales of Galaxy 1. NSMBW was out of the question.

Well, some people expected Galaxy 1 to do better than Galaxy 1. I expected it to do worse. The first week is much better than my expectation, I am looking forward to it's legs.

I think I saw that somewhere too, but it's false. Galaxy 2 had 50% more preorders from Galaxy 1 (comgnet).

Hmm. 50% more preorder (comgnet), but only 33% more first week # (famitsu). Either comgnet is more Galaxy 2 centric, or it means Galaxy 2's non-preorder sales are not as good as Galaxy 1's

¥4.800 standalone
¥6.800 with Pink or White Wiimote

Hmm. The price is ¥1.000 too high for me. ¥3.800 standalone is a better price. Get more people to try out the game.

 

[Jokeropia]

Mario Kart Wii
Smash Bros Brawl
New Super Mario Bros Wii

those titles really had a successfull 1st week, considering they are big franchises for the market home leader

they all broke records for Nintendo games

so i cannot say Galaxy 2 first week is successfull just because sold 340k instead of 250k...
when Smash Bros in nov.2001 sold 350k it was a really strong result, there were less than 1M Gamecube sold around Japan.
honestly i expected around 400-450k for Galaxy 2, iirc i read somewhere in sales-age topic it had the double preoders Galaxy 1 had (source comgnet)

is that still a poor logic consideration ?

Seeing as you seem to set an absolute bar for what consitutes as a successful first week, and setting it as high as +600k (Mario Kart, the smallest first week of the games you mentioned), then yeah that's pretty poor logic.

 

[BowieZ]

Seeing as you seem to set an absolute bar for what consitutes as a successful first week, and setting it as high as +600k (Mario Kart, the smallest first week of the games you mentioned), then yeah that's pretty poor logic.

I agree with him, though.

There's simply no reason why the 'big new 3D Mario game' shouldn't be an astronomical seller, even greater than those he listed. (Yeah, I'm going back to SM64 too.)

I don't understand why people are satisfied with "great" sales for SMG/SMG2 (esp. in Japan), especially when "great" by Nintendo standards is, well, average at best.

The only reason I could imagine that Iwata and co. would be satisfied with these figures is if Iwata firmly wants Mario Galaxy to be a gift to longtime fans of SM64, and to be a critical darling, but not so much intended to reap massive sales rewards.

That's fair enough, but with the Cosmic Guide, various in-game tutorials and the Tutorial DVD, you'd suspect that Iwata, EAD and Miyamoto all see potential for massive popularity and are hopeful for it... but let's be real. It's just not reaching anywhere near a blue-ocean potential.

Would spending the time to make "3D Mario" more appealing to larger crowds turn off longtime fans? Is there no better way to strike a balance between challenge and ease-of-access in this genre? Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna get shit for going in-depth with this again.

 

[Chris1964]

When Galaxy 1 didn't achieve ''blue-ocean potential'' how could a direct sequel to it do it?

I don't remember Nintendo saying Galaxy 2 (or Galaxy 1) would be a 10M seller but they said it last year for Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit Plus and NSMBW and this year for Wii Party.

Expectations for 3D Mario from Nintendo are in line with reality not in line with wishful thinking.

 

[Vinci]

That's fair enough, but with the Cosmic Guide, various in-game tutorials and the Tutorial DVD, you'd suspect that Iwata, EAD and Miyamoto all see potential for massive popularity and are hopeful for it... but let's be real. It's just not reaching anywhere near a blue-ocean potential.

First of all, there's no guarantee that any of this is going to help with the game's sales. None whatsoever. It's just as likely that no one will watch the DVD or ever bother putting the game into their Wii long enough to experience the tutorials or Cosmic Guide.

Second, if the Blue Ocean were to come knockin' on 3D Mario's door, it would take a while. It wouldn't be at launch. They don't jump in fast. Be patient.

Third, the fact that Nintendo would like the public to fully accept 3D Mario along the same lines as NSMB Wii is not the same as them expecting it to happen. They're doing what they can to try and bridge the gap, but that gap just might prove unbridgeable. People that like 2D Mario may very well not have the slightest interest in 3D Mario.

My wife loves NSMB Wii but doesn't have much interest in playing 3D Mario. She tried it, she didn't like it. I think that's fairly common amongst the blue ocean folks.

 

[BowieZ]

When Galaxy 1 didn't achieve ''blue-ocean potential'' how could a direct sequel to it do it?

I don't remember Nintendo saying Galaxy 2 (or Galaxy 1) would be a 10M seller but they said it last year for Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit Plus and NSMBW and this year for Wii Party.

Expectations for 3D Mario from Nintendo are in line with reality not in line with wishful thinking.

I didn't say Galaxy 2 could achieve blue-ocean potential. Nor am I saying it's underperforming its expected sales. I'm saying 3D Mario as a whole has performed far under what was hoped and dare I say expected for it, ever since SM64 was in the process of being launched.

The question is... can or should anything be done about it? Is there a way to go back to the drawing board with this concept of "Mario in 3 dimensions"? Isn't it the right time, now? I guess this question is irrelevant to the thread at hand -- a cold calculation of sales -- but with my tag and reputation I'm not about to start a separate thread on the future of 3D Mario. (The fact that very few other people seem willing to talk about it, or believe that it is an issue worth being talked about, is probably the nail in that point-of-view's coffin.)

Second, if the Blue Ocean were to come knockin' on 3D Mario's door, it would take a while. It wouldn't be at launch. They don't jump in fast. Be patient.

I know, I wasn't declaring anything about SMG2 persé, but trends are not really in its favor. The fact SMS sold half SM64 has always felt like general audiences said "no more" to the style of gameplay.

Third, the fact that Nintendo would like the public to fully accept 3D Mario along the same lines as NSMB Wii is not the same as them expecting it to happen. They're doing what they can to try and bridge the gap, but that gap just might prove unbridgeable.

It might, but they haven't actually yet created a 3D game with generally linear strips of levels and clear level-end goals and a clear adventure from Mushroom Kingdom to Bowser. You know, what one would have expected a 3-dimensional translation of Super Mario Bros. to be ever since 1995. Admittedly, SMG2 gets close to bits of this formula... with some pure 2.5D levels and some narrow 3D level sections, but again, those parts are lost in a sea of confusion to many gamers, no?