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[Rock_Man]

Longest bump for PS3 so far:

DS is gaining shares on the portable market again:

 

[schuelma]

DSi 63,342
PS3 39,960
PSP 17,334
DS Lite 15,057
Wii 11,731
Xbox 360 4,854
PS2 2,347



Lowest Wii week ever, PS3 down a lot more than what Famitsu had.

 

[test_account]

Thanks for the numbers I was just about to post the Media Create numbers myself hehe What is the hardware numbers for the PS3 for September combined from both Famitsu and Media Create?

 

[jeremy1456]

DSi 63,342
PS3 39,960
PSP 17,334
DS Lite 15,057
Wii 11,731
Xbox 360 4,854
PS2 2,347



Lowest Wii week ever, PS3 down a lot more than what Famitsu had.

It's not so bad for Wii considering this is right before the price drop.

EDIT: Wow at PS3 number compared to Famitsu. This is more like what I expected.

 

[Hero of Legend]

It's not so bad for Wii considering this is right before the price drop.

Exactly, remember the PS3 was at like around 2000? :lol

 

[beast786]

It's not so bad for Wii considering this is right before the price drop.

Its not a significant price drop. But i do agree with you. PS3 numbers were way lower before the price cut. Which also made sense due to the significane of it.

 

[pseudocaesar]

It's not so bad for Wii considering this is right before the price drop.

Maybe this is telling us that the price drop won't have a significant impact, as someone stated before, price point is not the barrier to further success. It only dropped a few thousand, whereas the PS3 HW plummeted to near zero.

 

[jeremy1456]

Maybe this is telling us that the price drop won't have a significant impact, as someone stated before, price point is not the barrier to further success. It only dropped a few thousand, whereas the PS3 HW plummeted to near zero.

If I remember correctly the no systems have plummeted like the PS3, but there have been instances where the sales still skyrocket.

PS3 also was having extreme supply issues from what I understand.

 

[schuelma]

Maybe this is telling us that the price drop won't have a significant impact, as someone stated before, price point is not the barrier to further success. It only dropped a few thousand, whereas the PS3 HW plummeted to near zero.

Possibly, but remember that this week still had 3-4 days of normal sales before the price drop was even announced..so obviously it was going to do more than 1-2K for the week.

 

[Road]

Thanks for the data, Chris and bttb. A terrible 2Q is really bringing this years' numbers down; DQ and Pokémon did their job, as expected, as much as they could.

To outperform 2008, 2009 will need Q4 sales of over 231.25 billion yen.

I'm not sure if Chris was referring to the whole market, but I think it's possible we'll see bigger software sales this year than in 2008. As he mentioned, this last quarter is really strong -- we're probably looking at sales of over one million for FFXIII, PHGSS, TC, WF+ and NSMBWii each.

On the hardware front, though, doesn't seem possible at all. And considering things are down so much, with price cuts all around, I guess it's certain this will bring 2009 under 2008 as a whole.

And major disagreement between MC and Famitsu with PS3. We'll have to wait for another couple of weeks to see how that pans out (if PS3 will fall fast like MC indicates, or slowly as Famitsu is estimating).

 

[FrankT]

It's not so bad for Wii considering this is right before the price drop.

EDIT: Wow at PS3 number compared to Famitsu. This is more like what I expected.

More in line with what I expected as well. Anyhow, pretty decent gap between the two this week to be sure.

 

[jeremy1456]

And holy crap at PSP - it's almost selling as low as the DS Lite!

Is there a reason for this? I.E. is the price dropping, or are they releasing a new model?

 

[schuelma]

And holy crap at PSP - it's almost selling as low as the DS Lite!

Is there a reason for this? I.E. is the price dropping, or are they releasing a new model?

It's been tracking almost as low as Wii for months but no one has seemed to notice or really care.

 

[jeremy1456]

It's been tracking almost as low as Wii for months but no one has seemed to notice or really care.

If the price isn't dropping, and a new model isn't being released then I guess the comeback is over.

EDIT: Doh! Didn't know the price dropped today.

 

[test_account]

And holy crap at PSP - it's almost selling as low as the DS Lite!

Is there a reason for this? I.E. is the price dropping, or are they releasing a new model?

Both, the PSP pricedrop started today (Thursday) and the PSP Go was released today as well. Unfortunately i am not sure how much these things affected this week's (or maybe it is more correct to say the previous week) PSP sales though, since as schuelma says, the PSP hardware sales has been rather low for the last month or so.

EDIT: The PSP Go isnt out before 1st of November in Japan as Jonnyram said. I thought that the PSP Go was coming out in Japan today, i am sorry about this mistake :\

 

[JordanLMiller]

Whoa! What's with the Famitsu/MC PS3 numbers?

 

[jeremy1456]

Both, the PSP pricedrop started today (Thursday) and the PSP Go was released today as well. Unfortunately i am not sure how much these things affected this week's (or maybe it is more correct to say the previous week) PSP sales though, since as schuelma says, the PSP hardware sales has been rather low for the last month or so.

I'm not expecting the Go to make a significant ripple, but the price drop definitely would have an effect.

 

[AlphaSnake]

DSi 63,342
PS3 39,960
PSP 17,334
DS Lite 15,057
Wii 11,731
Xbox 360 4,854
PS2 2,347



Lowest Wii week ever, PS3 down a lot more than what Famitsu had.

I have a feeling the drop in PS3 numbers has something to do with the holiday in Japan last week. Weren't business closed for a day or two?

 

[Busaiku]

If the price isn't dropping, and a new model isn't being released then I guess the comeback is over.

The price is dropping by about $35 this week (which puts it on par with the DS Lite).
But it's gotten lower before the announcement was made last week.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

I have a feeling the drop in PS3 numbers has something to do with the holiday in Japan last week. Weren't business closed for a day or two?

Nope. For the most part, businesses in Japan never close during holidays. It would be leaving far too much money on the table.

 

[schuelma]

I have a feeling the drop in PS3 numbers has something to do with the holiday in Japan last week. Weren't business closed for a day or two?

I believe holiday's in Japan usually produce the opposite.

 

[EXGN]

Woah @ the discrepancy between Famitsu and MC. I know Famitsu usually tracks a few thousand units higher, but that's quite a difference.

 

[jeremy1456]

I believe holiday's in Japan usually produce the opposite.

This is what I thought too.

 

[Road]

As a funny fact, MC also tracked the first four weeks of PSP slim down compared to Famitsu.

MC was was 3.32% lower then (545,000 vs 527,000); now it is 3.91% (310,000 vs 298,000).

 

[test_account]

I'm not expecting the Go to make a significant ripple, but the price drop definitely would have an effect.

Ye, i also dont think that the PSP Go will be that huge, at least not in Japan, but i wouldnt be that surprised if this week's PSP hardware numbers were affected a little (maybe a few thousands PSP sales or so? but unfortunately i dont know) because of the PSP Go release, but who knows

By the way, is there a supply problem with the PS3 in Japan? I saw that you mentioned it earlier.

 

[jeremy1456]

Ye, i also dont think that the PSP Go will be that huge, at least not in Japan, but i wouldnt be that surprised if this week's PSP hardware numbers were affected a little because of the PSP Go release, but who knows

By the way, is there a supply problem with the PS3 in Japan? I saw that you mentioned it earlier.

I don't know about the current status on PS3 supply, but I am pretty sure there was a shortage of the console just before the Slim's release which led to such poor sales leading up to it.

EDIT: And by this time next year I think Sony will have already swept the PSP Go under the rug worldwide.

 

[vicissitudes]

PS3 NOOOO!!!!!

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Y'know, regardless of what does or doesn't come from it, discussing the difference between "fall conference" and "retailer meeting" sounds so much more boring than back-in-the-day clarifications between "Space World" and "Shoshinkai".

Given that Tales outsold the 360's LTD in it's first week, and the fact the majority has already been translated for the Western 360 release ...

I don't think that being so much more successful in Japan would have much affect on that decision. The X360/PS3 dynamic is a liiiitle different outside of Japan.

So isn't MH3 officially the highest selling 3rd-party home console game in Japan this gen?

Yep; since it's second week, I believe.

Didn't they both work on the PS2, apart from the ToS on GC, which ended up being a one-off?

Yeah, apart from Symphonia and Vesperia, console Tales has basically been all about the market leader.

It's been tracking almost as low as Wii for months but no one has seemed to notice or really care.

I'm sure this is waaaaay oversimplifying things, but they've basically been at parity since PSP stopped being the only one flaunting a Monster Hunter.

 

[laserbeam]

I don't know about the current status on PS3 supply, but I am pretty sure there was a shortage of the console just before the Slim's release which led to such poor sales leading up to it.

EDIT: And by this time next year I think Sony will have already swept the PSP Go under the rug worldwide.

Yeah pre Slim there was shortage simply because Sony stopped shipping any Phats.

Theres no issue with stock now its just the nature of the beast. Boosted sales will drop the game to play now is when all is said and down where does the PS3 settle into weekly sales wise.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Both, the PSP pricedrop started today (Thursday) and the PSP Go was released today as well. Unfortunately i am not sure how much these things affected this week's (or maybe it is more correct to say the previous week) PSP sales though, since as schuelma says, the PSP hardware sales has been rather low for the last month or so.

I still think the PSP low numbers are due to the PS3 slim
the numbers have declined constantly since the Slim launch, about a month ago..

 

[charlequin]

I don't know about the current status on PS3 supply, but I am pretty sure there was a shortage of the console just before the Slim's release which led to such poor sales leading up to it.

Our various reliable reports on the ground suggested that we weren't really a "can't get one if you want one" level shortage. The problem wasn't as much a lack of consoles to buy as that (unlike both other regions) the price drop didn't take effect immediately and so you'd have to be an idiot to spend 39,000 on a PS3 when it'd be 29,000 a week later.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Nope. For the most part, businesses in Japan never close during holidays. It would be leaving far too much money on the table.

Gotcha. Thanks.

Odd that there is such a wide gap between Famitsu and MC numbers.

 

[test_account]

As a funny fact, MC also tracked the first four weeks of PSP slim down compared to Famitsu.

MC was was 3.32% lower then (545,000 vs 527,000); now it is 3.91% (310,000 vs 298,000).

That is a quite similar percentage difference between Famitsu and Media Create indeed

I don't know about the current status on PS3 supply, but I am pretty sure there was a shortage of the console just before the Slim's release which led to such poor sales leading up to it.

Ah yes, that is true, there were indeed some PS3 Phat supply issues right before the release of the PS3 Slim because Sony stopped to ship more PS3 Phats as laserbeam said. But i dont think that there has been that much supply problems with the PS3 Slim And as charlequin said, the PS3 sales before the PS3 Slim most likely went down also because people were waiting for the PS3 pricedrop to start.

EDIT: And by this time next year I think Sony will have already swept the PSP Go under the rug worldwide.

I dont know, seeing that the PSP Go is an addition to the normal PSP (the PSP Go isnt dircetly trying to replace the normal PSP), i can see that Sony will support both the PSP and the PSP Go for some time. If the PSP Go doesnt sell that well, maybe Sony can still support it, but on a smaller scale? But i dont know. I also guess it depends on how long the PSP Go's price will stay at it's current price. I wouldnt be that surprised if we see a PSP Go pricedrop within 1 year from now. But who knows what will happend, it might be that Sony will stop to support and produce the PSP Go within one year as you say. I think that it shall be interesting to see how the PSP Go will do in the upcoming time at least

I still think the PSP low numbers are due to the PS3 slim
the numbers have declined constantly since the Slim launch, about a month ago..

That is a good point, i havnt really thought about this It might be that more people have decided to buy a PS3 instead of a PSP indeed.


EDIT: I added some text.

 

[d+pad]

Y'know, regardless of what does or doesn't come from it, discussing the difference between "fall conference" and "retailer meeting" sounds so much more boring than back-in-the-day clarifications between "Space World" and "Shoshinkai".

Do you or anyone else here know why Nintendo stopped Space World? Consider they don't go to Tokyo Game Show either, you'd think they want to do *something* in their own country.

Man, Nintendo is such a strange company...

 

[freddy]

I still think the PSP low numbers are due to the PS3 slim
the numbers have declined constantly since the Slim launch, about a month ago..

The same could be said for Wii and DSi.

Both PSP/PS3 and Wii/DS are more comparable to each other in the type of games that mainly land on those systems.

 

[Dash Kappei]

That is a good point, i havnt really thought about this It might be that more people have decided to buy a PS3 instead of a PSP indeed.

Doesn't make any sense honestly, we might as well start making up our own numbers then if we accept something as far fetched as this.
The platforms are so different from each other in every way imaginable that even if in some cases what you're suggesting might have happened, the % of buy-switch for Sony's hardware would end up being such a minor number that it'd still resonate as a close-to-zero impact on PSP's numbers of late (read: statistical noise).
There's really no reason why we should accept that the PS3 Slim hurt the PSP significally more than the Wii/X360/DSi.

 

[Jonnyram]

Both, the PSP pricedrop started today (Thursday) and the PSP Go was released today as well. Unfortunately i am not sure how much these things affected this week's (or maybe it is more correct to say the previous week) PSP sales though, since as schuelma says, the PSP hardware sales has been rather low for the last month or so.

PSP Go is November 1st, not October 1st. But yeah, the price drop and the Gran Turismo bundle probably made a bunch of people hold off until this week. I don't think PS3 Slim sales will hurt PSP that much, because the PSP and PS3 Slim will work well in tandem for PSN, Gran Turismo, ad-hoc party, etc. etc.

 

[test_account]

Doesn't make any sense honestly, we might as well start making up our own numbers then if we accept something as far fetched (read: impossible) as this.
The platforms are so different from each other in every way imaginable that even if in some cases what you're suggesting might have happened, the % of buy-switch for Sony's hardware would end up being such a minor number that it'd still resonate as a close-to-zero impact on PSP's numbers of late (read: statistical noise).

It is near impossible to say for sure, but seeing that the PSP sales have gone a bit down after the PS3 Slim was released as BlazingDarkness said, it was just some thoughts from my side if the PS3 Slim sales could have had some affect on the PSP sales. It might just have been a coincidence if there were some other reasons that the PSP sales went a bit down after the PS3 Slim came out though, it is not easy to know for sure. But i thought that it was a good point to mention this at least

It is true that the PSP and the PS3 have many difference as you say. And the PSP is a handheld systems while the PS3 is a standalone system, so they operate in 2 different markets indeed, but both the PSP and the PS3 are gaming systems, so they have that in common at least But to be honest i dont think that the PS3 Slim sales have had that much affect on the PSP sales because they are 2 different systems as you say. But i think that it is a bit interesting that the PSP sales had gone down since the PS3 Slim came out at least, but that might be because of other reason(s) than the PS3 Slim though. I think that it shall be interesting to see how the PSP and the PS3 sales will contunie to be now that the PSP has gotten a pricedrop

PSP Go is November 1st, not October 1st. But yeah, the price drop and the Gran Turismo bundle probably made a bunch of people hold off until this week. I don't think PS3 Slim sales will hurt PSP that much, because the PSP and PS3 Slim will work well in tandem for PSN, Gran Turismo, ad-hoc party, etc. etc.

Ah ok, i thought that the PSP Go was out in Japan today as well as in the US, i am sorry about the mistake :\ Thanks for the info!

 

[Dash Kappei]

Hey Test, I think that while you were already writing a reply I edited and added some more (con)text to my post, I think that clears it up a bit, especially the bottom line.
I also wrote "as YOU're suggesting" while that wasn't the case, so I apologize about that.

 

[bttb]

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[PistolGrip]

PSP Go is November 1st, not October 1st. But yeah, the price drop and the Gran Turismo bundle probably made a bunch of people hold off until this week. I don't think PS3 Slim sales will hurt PSP that much, because the PSP and PS3 Slim will work well in tandem for PSN, Gran Turismo, ad-hoc party, etc. etc.

Ohh forgot about the GT mobile bundle in Japan. After getting my hands on the GO I think its going do good in Japan. Its so sexy, small and slick. dload only though may be a factor in the land of the rising sun.

[PSP] Gran Turismo (SCE) - SE 50,000 (33%) / BE 4,900 (26%)

What?

Are people waiting for the go bundles?

 

[Loudninja]

Umm alot of low numbers there, you can by Gran Turismo from the PSN store as well though.

 

[Taurus]

Famitsu First Day Sales (10/01)

[WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - SA 108,000 (42%) / BB 9,300 (16%)
[NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryakusha - Blizzard (Level 5) - 93,000 (52%)
[NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryakusha - Fire (Level 5) - 80,000 (49%)
[PSP] Gran Turismo (SCE) - SE 50,000 (33%) / BE 4,900 (26%)
[PSP] Macross Ultimate Frontier (Bandai Namco Games) - SE 36,000 (42%) / LE 28,000 (83%)
[PS3] Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 (Tecmo) - SE 24,000 (46%) / LE 3,200 (56%)
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce (Koei) - 16,000 (23%)
[PSP] Minna no Sukkiri (SCE) - 7,700 (21%)
[PS3] Trinity Universe (Idea Factory) - SE 6,600 (30%) / LE 2,600 (50%)
[PSP] Winning Post 7 2009 (Koei) - 4,900 (40%)
[PSP] Mana Khemia 2: Ochita Gakuen to Renkinjutsushi Tachi Portable+ (Gust) - 4,400 (26%)
[360] Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce (Koei) - 3,800 (25%)
[360] Cross Edge Dash (Compile Heart) - 2,300 (26%)
[PS2] Hiiro no Kakera: Shin Tamayorihime Denshou (Idea Factory) - SE 1,700 (40%) / LE 1,500 (54%)
[PS2] Shin Hisui no Shizuku: Hiiro no Kakera 2 (Idea Factory) - 1,500 (40%)
[PS2] Touka Gettan: Koufuu no Ryouou (Kadokawa Shoten) - DX 1,400 (44%)
[WII] MySims Agents (Electronic Arts) - 950 (20%)
[PSP] Shadow of Memories (Konami) - 880 (12%)
[PS2] Hiiro no Kakera Aizouban (Idea Factory) - 780 (30%)

http://dubai.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1254404390/322

SE = Standard Edition / LE = Limited Edition
SA = Standalone / BB = Balance Board / BE = Bundle Edition / DX = DX Pack

Seems like PS3 hw won't drop that much with all the new software showing up on the lists. 30-35k..ish?

What kind of bump are people waiting for Wii Fit Plus and price drop to have on Wii hw? 50k+?

 

[Zorglub]

Inamuza 2 sold almost 200k first day ?? Great number, considering Inamuza 1 sold only 41k on first week (according famitsu) !

 

[Vinnk]

PS3 also was having extreme supply issues from what I understand.

Only extreme demand issues. A few dedicated gaming stores in big cities were sold out of some models. But most stores had them (all the department stores and online shops). If someone wanted one, they could get it. But at $100 more for the less cool looking one, I am not surprised that most people waited.

 

[Kenka]

Inazuma !


Go !

 

[vicissitudes]

Wow, much lower numbers than I thought for pretty much everything...

Wii Fit Plus only does 100k...at such a cheap price I thought it would do more. Looks like it's not even going to beat Wii Sports Resort's week one (I believe it had day 1 sales of ~150,000).

GT PSP only 55k...looks like week 1 will be much weaker than GT5 Prologue, even though it's a much more complete game. Couldn't have been that many more online downloads, could it?

Trinity Universe also really weak, looks like about ~15k for week one...

 

[Aru]

Famitsu First Day Sales (10/01)

[PSP] Shadow of Memories (Konami) - 880 (12%)

Such low numbers here :/

Konami wasn't really expecting anything with a 8000 units shipment either.

 

[AniHawk]

Wii Fit Plus fucking bombed.