So much wrong in one post I can't even start...
Media Create Sales: Week 11, 2013 (Mar 11 - Mar 17)
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So much wrong in one post I can't even start...
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Why not? What are you waiting for? Posts like this one always bother me.
metalslimer
Member
What exactly did he say that was wrong. There is definitely the possibility Vita is near 10k in a few weeks unless you meant about dqx which also seemed reasonable.
Who gives a shit? This kind of crap is getting tiring to read.
The Mana Legend
Banned
You seriously expect the Vita sales to sustain themselves when there are virtually no games coming out for months?
Opus Angelorum
Member
Well unless another price cut, new hardware bundle and notable game title is releasing every month...the sales are only going one way.
Hero of Legend
Member
I don't see One Piece (also being on PS3) and what else this past week raising Vita sales (remind me what came out), I see it around 20k, lower would be surprising.
metalslimer
Member
Dead or Alive 5 plus
Hero of Legend
Member
Again, not going to do much unless DOA is HUGE in JP, the console versions didn't do much did they? Can't remember. Plus NG 1 & 2 didn't leave much of a mark either IIRC.
PS3 version did 73k, 360 version did 14k. Vita version will end up below Dimensions (40k).
If I knew there was someone on another site that I read who trolled a particular platform and then tried to come and talk as if they are reasonable here on NeoGAF, I wouldn't give them the time of day either. I've said it before and I'll say it again, sales data doesn't give you free reign to say ridiculous shit just because you think no one will notice. So he believes the Vita will drop down below 10k soon and he's allowed to have that opinion. Personally I believe the plateau will be above it for a little bit but that's just me.
airmangataosenai
Member
Don't mind him. Nintendo fans on this site feel uncomfortable with the WiiU's current position and feel weird now that they can't compare it to the Vita now that it's sales are relatively respectable. The truth is that best case scenario for the Wii, it will probably never see non-holiday sales as high as this period saw for the Vita.
Not really. I know it'll slow down, it's only normal without releases.
But then the second part of the post comes in. You don't believe the Vita can be saved, but believes Wii U can. Then comes your post history about Vita and always pro-Nintendo...
So, yeah, I wasn't bothered by the comment about the Vita slowing down in sales, because that's the truth.
electroplankton
Banned
If GC had better non-holiday weeks than those Vita's, why Wii U shouldn't?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I miss the good old days when Media Create threads weren't about throwing around bias or fanboyism accusations.
Vita has been out an entire year longer than the Wii U. That makes a huge huge difference when you talk about where the systems are as far as being salvageable.
KillerTravis
Banned
That's even worse fanboy logic. Do you really believe Nintendo's big hitters won't make the Wii U have a huge bump in sales the week they release? Like Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros or 3D Mario? Soul Sacrifice is like a little speck compared to those games.
Thta was only when none was posting in Media Create threads.
airmangataosenai
Member
Nintendo wants those titles to have maximum impact so they won't likely be released outside of the holidays seasons. I'm expecting the heavy hitters/hitter to come during the holidays. Perhaps Kart for Christmas and Smash for Golden Week? Anything released outside of that period is unlikely to spur sales over 60k for two-weeks straight so no, I don't expect them to have the same level of impact.
Yeah, I know. That doesn't mean that much, really.
2 Weeks of decent sales = Relatively respectable? Okay then...
Also, I doubt the Wii U will never see sales like the Vita has for the past 2 or so weeks, even if it is just for a few weeks (Just like the Vita).
Nintendo are going to need to release big hitters at times other than just the end of the year if they're going to create any sort of momentum, so I doubt this is going to be the case.
I remember those days... Then the DS Lite/NSMB hit.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Nah, I've seen it. People actually using reasoned arguments and pointing at interesting patterns instead of just dismissing each other's posts out of hand.
I know it sounds far-fetched, considering how important it is for Consumer Electronics Item X to do better than the rest.
A year further out for Vita compared to Wii U is not a big deal when talking about the relative ability of each to turn it around? I just can't comprehend this logic. If Vita had had the price cut it just had a year ago, it'd be in a tons better position than it is right now. Support would be better, because sales would've been better. Just like PS2 took too long to drop to $100 in the U.S., so the effect was muted compared to what it could've been, the Vita took too long to drop in price in Japan, so its effect is muted compared to what it could've been. If Wii U drops 5K (or hopefully 10K) Yen before the holidays this year, you can bet the impact will be much higher than this paltry 60K for two weeks with price drop followed by biggest game released on Vita in over 6 months. Price drop without games won't sustain high sales, but big price drop much earlier on can make a huge difference in the system's sales going forward.
Sheesh.
How do you figure?
Who knows, really?
The Wii U could be the new GC. It seems to be doing even worse, actually. Would a price drop and Nintendo games really make it sell better on the long term?
I dunno.
Sorry, just my oppinion here.
Vita has lasting appeal. Plus we don't know if peak interest would have been higher earlier on what with smartphone gaming still being quite new to core gamers as well. Cheaper is better no doubt but it can't always be done. We don't even know if Nintendo is even dropping the price further yet. Being out for a year extra has given the Vita has a decent back catalogue for users to to choose from as well.
I tend to prefer the argument that Nintendo has a price cut in front of it and two extremely proven by prior sales juggernauts heading to it in the next 18 months or so in Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. 4.
Well...yes. I don't know what would make you think otherwise.
In 18 months or so you'd also expect Sony to put out a revision on the Vita with another price drop too. Not to mention God of War and probably some deals.
We should find out what other games are yet to be announced at E3 too. I have a feeling that Nintendo spilled the beans too early due to poor actual launch selection.
That applies for Nintendo as well, you know. And their franchises are much bigger in Japan than Sony's (except for perhaps Gran Turismo).
electroplankton
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Father_Brain
Banned
I doubt even Europe would care that much about GT Vita in the current market.
Just so we are all on the same page, as most know Amazon data isn't counted in Media Create or Famitsu charts. With that said, when different products spike in sales there, those spikes may reflect broader sales spikes in the retail market. The fact that the Vita spiked was interesting to me and may be an indicator that Vita sold more this week over last. 3DS sells solidly at retail shops, I never claimed the Vita would outsell it next week (nor do I think that). I simply said I thought Vita would do 40-50k. 3DS should do 60k+, like usual.
I could be way off in my prediction, all of this is just a guessing game based on various bits of evidence, just like anyone else's predictions. We'll see later this week!
like all the games they announce last year for the Vita right?
What does this even mean? Once Vita's sales fall into a comfortable 15K, it'll keep on selling that for the rest of the decade?
Maybe the Wii U will never reach 63,581 in hardware on a non-holiday - maybe someone else can post evidence otherwise - but the GameCube has had titles debuting above 139K in January, April, July, two in August, October, five in November, and one in December.
Where was that posted? Amazon is included with NPD, so it's perfectly reasonable to think that Enterbrain/ASCII/Media Create might have a similar arrangement with Amazon Japan.
frankie_baby
Member
someone on here ages ago told me famitsu list the retailers they cover and amazon arent on the list
I seem to now recall something similar from some years ago, thanks. That would still only cover the Enterbrain part of that question, though, and it's not like the list is unchanging for any tracker. Amazon was only added to NPD like 4-5 years ago, I think.
Edit:
Amazon was added to NPD about 5.5 years ago. TRU is back in NPD since that thread, by the way, by my understanding, along with Wal-Mart being added last year.
frankie_baby
Member
yeah i dont know or have any belief either way just repeating what i was told, pretty surprising if they're not really seeing as you say npd include them in the usa and i'm sure charttrack do in the uk
Hypereides
Member
You and me both buddy. But hey, its entertainment for the masses seeing people dig their own holes.
shinra-bansho
Member
Vita was probably unsalvageable a year ago/at the same point in its lifetime, in retrospect.
Sony's also started piling up Vita games on PS+ a while ago. If you're a PS3 owner and subscribe to PS+, getting on the Vita bandwagon is becoming an ever sweeter deal with every passing month.
And not just little throwaway games. Uncharted, Gravity Daze, MGS Collection, and whatever comes next will eventually make a significant percentage of PS3 owners with + pull the trigger on Vita.
And not just little throwaway games. Uncharted, Gravity Daze, MGS Collection, and whatever comes next will eventually make a significant percentage of PS3 owners with + pull the trigger on Vita.
ArtHands
Banned
Well yeah that's the problem. The vita have had numerous chances to redeem itself throughout its first year but has failed.
Graphics Horse
Member
Assuming they bothered to ' purchase' them, yep.
StreetsAhead
Member
Exactly!
The Vita has had numerous big games in Japan (and America), or at least games that did (or should have done) well, but failed to raise sales for more than a week or two at a time. We'll see how it goes in the coming weeks, but right now, based on the up-coming release schedule, I don't see much to look hopeful for unless Soul Sacrifice can continue to do well. We can wait until GDC/E3/Vita Heaven 3/TGS all we want, but right now, based on what we know it's hard to be hopeful that anything significant has changed for the long term.
EDIT: Why do posts like these that I write end up at the top of the page?
In Japan Vita pretty much had 3 big releases last year. Uncharted, Gravity Rush and Miku. And even all those are moderate-to-big rather than big.
StreetsAhead
Member
If that's the case then Sony unequivocally failed to make the correct hardware design decisions from the start. If it had to be under 20,000 yen in order to move systems, they should have designed a system suitable for that price from the start and paid enough money to Square to have FFXHD released more quickly and secured, at least, timed-exclusivity for Vita. Their hubris in sticking with the 'tech over economy' philosophy was just as poisonous as Nintendo's when they originally priced the 3DS at 25,000 yen based on hype for games that were 1-3 years away from release.
EDIT: To put it bluntly, say the Vita magically sells at a base line of 30K, that's still 20 more weeks to reach 2M LTD, which puts us in August. At which point 3DS has Monster Hunter 4, Mario & Luigi 4, Donkey Kong Returns 3D, Shin Megami Tensei IV, Disney Magic Castle, Friend Collection, and a Pokemon game in two months. Even low-balling the 3DS a little at 50K per week, it'd still be close to 12 million units in the same period.
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm not sure that helps to show anything but that it neither had the means to revive itself last year, nor does it have the means to do so going forward.