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[NDS] Zaidan Houjin Nippon Kanji Nouryoku Kentei Kyoukai Koushiki Soft: 200 Mannin no KanKen - Tokoton Kanji Nou (IE Institute) {2006.11.09} - 33.932 / 580.510
[NDS] Zaidan Houjin Nippon Kanji Nouryoku Kentei Kyoukai Koushiki Soft: 250 Mannin no KanKen (IE Institute) {2007.11.01} - 14.213 / 408.381
[NDS] Zaidan Houjin Nippon Kanji Nouryoku Kentei Kyoukai Koushiki Soft: 250 Mannin no KanKen - Tokoton Kanji Nou Premium - Zenkyuu Zen-Kanji Kanzen Seiha (IE Institute) {2009.04.23} - 3.350 / 31.198

[NDS] Zaidan Houjin Nippon Kanji Nouryoku Kentei Kyoukai Kounin: KanKen DS (Rocket Company) {2006.09.28} - 45.292 / 609.683
[NDS] Zaidan Houjin Nippon Kanji Nouryoku Kentei Kyoukai Kounin: KanKen DS 2 + Jouyou Kanji Jiten (Rocket Company) {2007.09.27} - 28.301 / 351.492
[NDS] Zaidan Houjin Nippon Kanji Nouryoku Kentei Kyoukai Kounin: KanKen DS 3 Deluxe (Rocket Company) {2009.04.09} - 5.917 / 62.891

[NDS] Cooking Navi (Nintendo) {2006.07.20} - 126.530 / 987.988
[NDS] Cooking Navi: International Meals (Nintendo) {2008.12.04} - 4.152 / 29.172


http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/11/29/kawashima_brain_age/

Uhuh, so is BT3DS expected then? Better, then it'll show us who is right I think the 3D effect could make for "special ideas" like Kawashima said (a more deep sight training perhaps). I say it now, million seller AT LEAST. What number do you say Chris? < 500.000?

 

[FINALFANTASYDOG]

How was it not a mistake? When you are a developer of over half of the top 10 best-selling game series in Japan, you should probably release an entry for at least one of those when launching a new system. Having something like Mario Kart 3DS available at launch wouldn't have crowded out third parties, but it would have sold systems beyond those first 2-3 weeks.

Okay it's obvious in this thread most people haven't read Nintendo's shareholder conference from last quarter.

The pack-in software was considered The 3ds's wii sports, it was suppose to be the killer software. Nintendo's plan give away the core killer software for free and then hope sales go to third party games at the top.

 

[Trojita]

My topic ;_;

 

[Chris1964]

My topic ;_;

Please, don't continue it here.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Okay it's obvious in this thread most people haven't read Nintendo's shareholder conference from last quarter.

The pack-in software was considered The 3ds's wii sports, it was suppose to be the killer software. Nintendo's plan give away the core killer software for free and then hope sales go to third party games at the top.

Spot-on - it was also compared to Wii Play in a recent Iwata Asks, IIRC. They had obviously gambled that the built-in software - Face Raiders, Streetpass Quest/Puzzle, AR Games and the other apps, as well as the 3D effect itself - would work in a similar way to Wii Sports/Wii Play and spark the kind of viral spread the Wii enjoyed early on.

 

[Effect]

Okay it's obvious in this thread most people haven't read Nintendo's shareholder conference from last quarter.

The pack-in software was considered The 3ds's wii sports, it was suppose to be the killer software. Nintendo's plan give away the core killer software for free and then hope sales go to third party games at the top.

If that's the case then Nintendo is doing a piss poor job of actually advertising that with commercials or even at events. Shouldn't their be display units locked into the AR Games mode with a AR card under some glass. Or talking about Face Raiders a lot more? Talking more about the Mii Plaza games?

Pilotwings Resort seems to me to be the Wii Sports of the 3DS with how much it's been used as the face of the 3DS.

 

[FINALFANTASYDOG]

If that's the case then Nintendo is doing a piss poor job of actually advertising that with commercials or even at events. Shouldn't their be display units locked into the AR Games mode with a AR card under some glass. Or talking about Face Raiders a lot more? Talking more about the Mii Plaza games?

I've mentioned this before in the tread, but

1. it was suppose to be a viral effect

2. it's kind hard to run commercials or have events, when because of "appropriateness" you cancel(along with everyone else) all your events and commercials

3. Even the few display units you do have are being turned off for power conservation.

The worry is, now that they are able to do these things again, can the 3ds possibly become talk of the town again considering how bad sales have been?

 

[Cosmonaut X]

The worry is, now that they are able to do these things again, can the 3ds possibly become talk of the town again considering how bad sales have been?

I think so, but I think it's going to require almost a "relaunch" - hit hard with commercials, promote heavily and get everyone talking about it again. Perhaps it would be best to wait for a key game, or perhaps not, but there's definitely a risk in letting things slide for too much longer.

May would be a good window for this - new games, the eShop and Golden Week all coming together with a HEAVY ad push could get things back on track, but if Nintendo squander that opportunity they'll have a loooong, tough stretch until the holidays.

 

[donny2112]

Famitsu Feb 21-27

01./00. [PSP] SD Gundam G Generation World (Namco Bandai Games) - 227,790 / NEW
02./00. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 Infinity (SEGA) - 219,477 / NEW
03./00. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 117,589 / NEW
04./00. [PS3] Disgaea 4 (Nippon Ichi Software) - 77,449 / NEW
05./00. [3DS] Nintendogs + cats (Nintendo) - 68,973 / NEW
06./00. [3DS] Samurai Warriors Chronicle (Koei-Tecmo) - 43,044 / NEW
07./00. [360] The Idolm@ster 2 (Namco Bandai Games) - 40,422 / NEW
08./00. [3DS] Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition (Capcom) - 38,557 / NEW
09./00. [3DS] Ridge Racer 3D (Namco Bandai Games) - 34,663 / NEW
10./00. [PS3] Killzone 3 (SCEI) - 30,676 / NEW

11./00. [PSP] Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 5 (Koei-Tecmo) - 29,153 / NEW
12./00. [WII] SD Gundam G Generation World (Namco Bandai Games) - 28,256 / NEW
13./00. [PS3] Rune Factory Oceans (Marvelous) - 26,979 / NEW
14./00. [3DS] Winning Eleven 3DSoccer (Konami) - 26,222 / NEW
15./01. [PS3] Catherine (Atlus Co.) - 23,871 / 160,402 (-83%)
16./00. [NDS] Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's World Championship 2011: Over the Nexus (Konami) - 22,401 / NEW
17./05. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd (Capcom) - 20,594 / 4,315,919 (-23%)
18./03. [PS3] Samurai Warriors 3 Z (Koei-Tecmo) - 18,273 / 290,236 (-62%)
19./02. [PS3] Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds (Capcom) - 14,519 / 81,440 (-78%)
20./04. [PSP] Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 3 (Namco Bandai Games) - 11,026 / 253,549 (-63%)
21./00. [PSP] Vitamin X to Z (D3 Publisher) - 10,341 / NEW
22./00. [WII] Rune Factory Oceans (Marvelous) - 10,040 / NEW
23./00. [3DS] Puzzle Bobble 3D (Square Enix) - 8,885 / NEW
24./13. [NDS] Pokemon Black/White (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 8,443 / 5,119,367 (+1%)
25./06. [PS3] Two Worlds II (Ubisoft) - 8,190 / 32,793 (-67%)
26./09. [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 (Ace Attorney Investigations 2) (Capcom) - 8,184 / 188,856 (-40%)
27./00. [PSP] Daito Giken Koushiki Pachi-Slot Simulator: Hihoden Fuujirareta Megami Portable (Paon Corporation) - 6,780 / NEW
28./00. [3DS] Combat of Giants Dinosaur 3D (Ubisoft) - 6,326 / NEW
29./00. [360] Muchi Muchi Pork! & Pink Sweets (Cave) - 6,293 / NEW
30./18. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 5,949 / 3,086,183 (-3%)




Famitsu Feb 28-Mar 6

01./00. [PSP] Dissidia 012: Duodecim Final Fantasy (Square Enix) - 304,789 / NEW
02./00. [PS3] Way of the Samurai 4 (Spike) - 76,569 / NEW
03./03. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 62,634 / 180,223 (-47%)
04./05. [3DS] Nintendogs + cats (Nintendo) - 46,182 / 115,155 (-33%)
05./01. [PSP] SD Gundam G Generation World (Namco Bandai Games) - 44,140 / 271,930 (-81%)
06./02. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 Infinity (SEGA) - 44,079 / 263,556 (-80%)
07./06. [3DS] Samurai Warriors Chronicle (Koei-Tecmo) - 29,348 / 72,392 (-32%)
08./00. [NDS] Digimon Story: Super Xros Wars Blue/Red (Namco Bandai Games) - 28,499 / NEW
09./08. [3DS] Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition (Capcom) - 20,848 / 59,405 (-46%)
10./00. [PSP] Star Driver: Takuto's Radiance Legend of the Most Handsome Boy in the Galaxy (Namco Bandai Games) - 19,954 / NEW

11./09. [3DS] Ridge Racer 3D (Namco Bandai Games) - 17,991 / 52,654 (-48%)
12./17. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd (Capcom) - 16,912 / 4,332,831 (-18%)
13./14. [3DS] Winning Eleven 3DSoccer (Konami) - 15,531 / 41,753 (-41%)
14./04. [PS3] Disgaea 4 (Nippon Ichi Software) - 10,892 / 88,341 (-86%)
15./18. [PS3] Samurai Warriors 3 Z (Koei-Tecmo) - 10,148 / 300,384 (-44%)
16./15. [PS3] Catherine (Atlus Co.) - 8,432 / 168,834 (-65%)
17./24. [NDS] Pokemon Black/White (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 7,976 / 5,127,343 (-6%)
18./10. [PS3] Killzone 3 (SCEI) - 6,779 / 37,455 (-78%)
19./16. [NDS] Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's World Championship 2011: Over the Nexus (Konami) - 5,685 / 28,086 (-75%)
20./30. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 5,608 / 3,091,791 (-6%)
21./19. [PS3] Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds (Capcom) - 5,561 / 87,001 (-62%)
22./20. [PSP] Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 3 (Namco Bandai Games) - 5,487 / 259,036 (-50%)
23./00. [3DS] Super Monkey Ball 3D (SEGA) - 5,303 / NEW
24./00. [WII] Donkey Kong Country Returns (Nintendo) - 5,181 / 880,327
25./26. [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 (Ace Attorney Investigations 2) (Capcom) - 5,040 / 193,896 (-38%)
26./13. [PS3] Rune Factory Oceans (Marvelous) - 4,982 / 31,961 (-82%)
27./12. [WII] SD Gundam G Generation World (Namco Bandai Games) - 4,899 / 33,155 (-83%)
28./00. [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo) - 4,690 / 1,809,612
29./23. [3DS] Puzzle Bobble 3D (Square Enix) - 4,615 / 13,500 (-48%)
30./00. [WII] Super Mario Collection Special Pack (Nintendo) - 4,506 / 868,043




Famitsu Mar 7-13

01./00. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 6 (Koei-Tecmo) - 259,787 / NEW
02./01. [PSP] Dissidia 012: Duodecim Final Fantasy (Square Enix) - 66,186 / 370,975 (-78%)
03./03. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 29,322 / 209,545 (-53%)
04./00. [PSP] Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenyaku Romantan: Saisen (Namco Bandai Games) - 24,945 / NEW
05./04. [3DS] Nintendogs + cats (Nintendo) - 23,611 / 138,766 (-49%)
06./06. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 Infinity (SEGA) - 21,166 / 284,722 (-52%)
07./00. [PSP] Fairy Tail: Portable Guild 2 (Konami) - 19,132 / NEW
08./02. [PS3] Way of the Samurai 4 (Spike) - 19,124 / 95,693 (-75%)
09./05. [PSP] SD Gundam G Generation World (Namco Bandai Games) - 19,006 / 290,936 (-57%)
10./12. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd (Capcom) - 13,891 / 4,346,722 (-18%)

11./07. [3DS] Samurai Warriors Chronicle (Koei-Tecmo) - 11,749 / 84,141 (-60%)
12./13. [3DS] Winning Eleven 3DSoccer (Konami) - 8,795 / 50,548 (-43%)
13./08. [NDS] Digimon Story: Super Xros Wars Blue/Red (Namco Bandai Games) - 8,621 / 37,120 (-70%)
14./09. [3DS] Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition (Capcom) - 8,325 / 67,730 (-60%)
15./11. [3DS] Ridge Racer 3D (Namco Bandai Games) - 6,960 / 59,614 (-61%)
16./17. [NDS] Pokemon Black/White (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 6,730 / 5,134,073 (-16%)
17./20. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 6,072 / 3,097,863 (+8%)
18./28. [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo) - 5,090 / 1,814,702 (+9%)
19./15. [PS3] Samurai Warriors 3 Z (Koei-Tecmo) - 5,077 / 305,461 (-50%)
20./14. [PS3] Disgaea 4 (Nippon Ichi Software) - 4,872 / 93,213 (-55%)
21./24. [WII] Donkey Kong Country Returns (Nintendo) - 4,699 / 885,026 (-9%)
22./30. [WII] Super Mario Collection Special Pack (Nintendo) - 4,167 / 872,210 (-8%)
23./00. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2011 (Konami) - 4,040 / 179,963
24./00. [PSP] Dear Drops Distortion (CyberFront) - 3,755 / NEW
25./00. [PSP] Sangokushi IX with Power Up Kit (Koei-Tecmo) - 3,700 / NEW
26./00. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 3,678 / 6,093,707
27./00. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 3,660 / 4,189,851
28./16. [PS3] Catherine (Atlus Co.) - 3,491 / 172,325 (-59%)
29./25. [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 (Ace Attorney Investigations 2) (Capcom) - 3,358 / 197,254 (-33%)
30./22. [PSP] Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 3 (Namco Bandai Games) - 3,335 / 262,371 (-39%)




Famitsu Mar 14-20

01./01. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 6 (Koei-Tecmo) - 75,362 / 335,149 (-71%)
02./02. [PSP] Dissidia 012: Duodecim Final Fantasy (Square Enix) - 24,764 / 395,739 (-63%)
03./03. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 19,467 / 229,012 (-34%)
04./05. [3DS] Nintendogs + cats (Nintendo) - 15,499 / 154,265 (-34%)
05./06. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 Infinity (SEGA) - 13,339 / 298,061 (-37%)
06./10. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd (Capcom) - 11,924 / 4,358,646 (-14%)
07./00. [PSP] Hanaoni: Koisomeru Koku - Eikyuu no Shirushi (The Start of Love - The Sign of Eternity) (Idea Factory) - 11,214 / NEW
08./09. [PSP] SD Gundam G Generation World (Namco Bandai Games) - 10,946 / 301,882 (-42%)
09./08. [PS3] Way of the Samurai 4 (Spike) - 10,315 / 106,008 (-46%)
10./00. [NDS] Powerful Golf (Konami) - 9,383 / NEW

11./11. [3DS] Samurai Warriors Chronicle (Koei-Tecmo) - 7,680 / 91,821 (-35%)
12./14. [3DS] Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition (Capcom) - 7,126 / 74,856 (-14%)
13./16. [NDS] Pokemon Black/White (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 7,078 / 5,141,151 (+5%)
14./07. [PSP] Fairy Tail: Portable Guild 2 (Konami) - 6,725 / 25,857 (-65%)
15./17. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 6,241 / 3,104,104 (+3%)
16./12. [3DS] Winning Eleven 3DSoccer (Konami) - 6,145 / 56,693 (-30%)
17./00. [3DS] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell 3D (Ubisoft) - 5,796 / NEW
18./18. [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo) - 5,546 / 1,820,248 (+9%)
19./04. [PSP] Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenyaku Romantan: Saisen (Namco Bandai Games) - 5,333 / 30,278 (-79%)
20./13. [NDS] Digimon Story: Super Xros Wars Blue/Red (Namco Bandai Games) - 4,940 / 42,060 (-43%)
21./15. [3DS] Ridge Racer 3D (Namco Bandai Games) - 4,678 / 64,292 (-33%)
22./21. [WII] Donkey Kong Country Returns (Nintendo) - 4,468 / 889,494 (-5%)
23./22. [WII] Super Mario Collection Special Pack (Nintendo) - 4,310 / 876,520 (+3%)
24./26. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 4,247 / 6,097,954 (+15%)
25./27. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 4,209 / 4,194,060 (+15%)
26./00. [NDS] Ninokuni: Shikkoku no Madoushi (Level 5) - 3,864 / 525,439
27./20. [PS3] Disgaea 4 (Nippon Ichi Software) - 3,860 / 97,073 (-21%)
28./19. [PS3] Samurai Warriors 3 Z (Koei-Tecmo) - 3,738 / 309,199 (-26%)
29./00. [PS3] Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening (Spike) - 3,664 / NEW
30./29. [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 (Ace Attorney Investigations 2) (Capcom) - 3,276 / 200,530 (-2%)




Famitsu Mar 21-27

01./00. [PSP] Final Fantasy IV: The Complete Collection (Square Enix) - 101,513 / NEW
02./01. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 6 (Koei-Tecmo) - 40,223 / 375,372 (-47%)
03./00. [3DS] Gundam the 3D Battle (Namco Bandai Games) - 19,556 / NEW
04./02. [PSP] Dissidia 012: Duodecim Final Fantasy (Square Enix) - 18,388 / 414,127 (-26%)
05./00. [PSP] Gakuen Hetalia Portable (Idea Factory) - 17,866 / NEW
06./03. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 16,755 / 245,767 (-14%)
07./06. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd (Capcom) - 13,536 / 4,372,182 (+14%)
08./04. [3DS] Nintendogs + cats (Nintendo) - 13,512 / 167,777 (-13%)
09./05. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 Infinity (SEGA) - 11,661 / 309,722 (-13%)
10./08. [PSP] SD Gundam G Generation World (Namco Bandai Games) - 7,964 / 309,846 (-27%)

11./13. [NDS] Pokemon Black/White (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 7,871 / 5,149,022 (+11%)
12./15. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 7,371 / 3,111,475 (+18%)
13./09. [PS3] Way of the Samurai 4 (Spike) - 6,711 / 112,719 (-35%)
14./12. [3DS] Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition (Capcom) - 6,709 / 81,565 (-6%)
15./18. [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo) - 6,609 / 1,826,857 (+19%)
16./14. [PSP] Fairy Tail: Portable Guild 2 (Konami) - 5,950 / 31,807 (-12%)
17./00. [PSP] Classic Dungeon X2 (Nippon Ichi Software) - 5,760 / NEW
18./11. [3DS] Samurai Warriors Chronicle (Koei-Tecmo) - 5,508 / 97,329 (-28%)
19./25. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 5,442 / 4,199,502 (+29%)
20./21. [3DS] Ridge Racer 3D (Namco Bandai Games) - 5,374 / 69,666 (+15%)
21./23. [WII] Super Mario Collection Special Pack (Nintendo) - 5,373 / 881,893 (+25%)
22./10. [NDS] Powerful Golf (Konami) - 5,091 / 14,474 (-46%)
23./20. [NDS] Digimon Story: Super Xros Wars Blue/Red (Namco Bandai Games) - 5,038 / 47,098 (+2%)
24./22. [WII] Donkey Kong Country Returns (Nintendo) - 5,009 / 894,503 (+12%)
25./24. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 5,001 / 6,102,955 (+18%)
26./16. [3DS] Winning Eleven 3DSoccer (Konami) - 4,946 / 61,639 (-20%)
27./00. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 3: World Challenge! The Ogre (Level 5) - 4,514 / 401,229
28./00. [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - 4,066 / 2,220,077
29./00. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 3,833 / 2,272,096
30./26. [NDS] Ninokuni: Shikkoku no Madoushi (Level 5) - 3,779 / 529,218 (-2%)



Recent Famitsu Top 30s

Feb 14-20, 2011

 

[Chris1964]

April initial shipment forecast from azalyn

[PSP] Earth Defence Force 2 Portable (D3 Publisher) {2011.04.07} - 100.000

[3DS] Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo) {2011.04.14} - 70.000
[3DS] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) {2011.04.14} - 50.000
[PSP] Super Robot Wars Z 2nd (Bandai Namco) {2011.04.14} - 450.000
[PSP] Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Atlus Co.) {2011.04.14} - 100.000
[PSP] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) {2011.04.14} - 100.000
[PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) {2011.04.14} - 120.000
[PS3] Homefront (Spike) {2011.04.14} - 50.000
[360] Homefront (Spike) {2011.04.14} - 20.000

[PSP] GachiTora! Abarenbou Kyoushi in High School (Spike) {2011.04.21} - 50.000
[PS3] SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs 4 (SCE) {2011.04.21} - 40.000

[PSP] Final Promise Story (Image Epoch) {2011.04.28} - 80.000
[PS3] El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron (Ignition) {2011.04.28} - 80.000
[360] El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron (Ignition) {2011.04.28} - 20.000

 

[Freezie KO]

It's pretty funny if Nintendo thought FaceRaiders was going to be a killer app. I didn't even know what it was until I got my 3DS, and I post on GAF.

 

[Ratrat]

[PSP] Final Promise Story (Image Epoch) {2011.04.28} - 80.000

Is there a worse title for a jrpg?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

You could say (mostly) the same things about Mario 64 DS, yet that sold over 1.1 million in Japan. Seriously, do you actually think OoT 3D would be "lucky" to sell just over a third of what Spirit Tracks did?

Well, on GBA we saw rereleases of both SNES-level Mario games and the SNES Zelda game. The Mario games did significantly better. But 200K should be a really really low bar to pass.

Nope and none for PSP besides MHP1-3.

This made me curious what the biggest non-MH Capcom DS/PSP games were. Short answer is a handful each of Mega Man Star Force and Ace Attorney games on DS, then Sengoku Basara and Liberty City Stories as the next biggest PSP games.

There we go. So in Japan, if the NDS came out in December of 04, and Nintendogs came out in April of 05, we're talking about a 4 month time period before sales started to pick up, and about 10-12 months before it started to print money. Now I have a point of reference to gauge how well the 3DS is doing.

You can see the Nintendogs/Easter blip around week 20 there, then a very gradual move upwards after that settled down. Looks like the next notable blips were Jump Superstars and Tamagotchi closer to week 40, though Brain Age and Big Brain Academy were both still selling very well consistently. The real IT PRINTS MONEY! moment that shocked everyone happened early in its second year, shortly after which came the shortages and the crazy times of 100+K all the time.

 

[BowieZ]

It was a mistake. They are way off their projections in every territory. Their stockholders are going to eat them for lunch. Read the thread instead of responding to imaginary arguments no one is making.

The arguments are not imaginary; they were taking place directly above my posts (and indeed sporadically throughout the whole thread).

Secondly, in my opinion, the only thing that was a mistake was their projections, not the strategy. I'm sure they projected too high regardless (why? I don't know) and obviously a huge factor is the earthquake and the canceled promotion and henceforth the weaker software sales due to a smaller userbase).

The question is, is Nintendo worried? If they are any more worried (removing the earthquake factor) than they normally would have been, then yes you are right it was obviously a mistake.

But you cannot say that that is "laughably provable."

 

[Spiegel]

The arguments are not imaginary; they were taking place directly above my posts (and indeed sporadically throughout the whole thread).

Secondly, in my opinion, the only thing that was a mistake was their projections, not the strategy. I'm sure they projected too high regardless (why? I don't know) and obviously a huge factor is the earthquake and the canceled promotion and henceforth the weaker software sales due to a smaller userbase).

The question is, is Nintendo worried? If they are any more worried (removing the earthquake factor) than they normally would have been, then yes you are right it was obviously a mistake.

But you cannot say that that is "laughably provable."

Was there an earthquake in Europe too?

 

[antonz]

Was there an earthquake in Europe too?

We don't even know Numbers beyond the first 2 days in Europe. The only thing we know is that Nintendo due to the end of the fiscal year channel stuffed for a positive spin.

In the first 2 days at least 33% of the initial GAF estimated shipment was soldout. This also coincides with the largest Nintendo Handheld launch ever in Europe.

The only thing these thread contain are alot of annoying as fuck chicken littles hoping and praying for disaster

 

[Spiegel]

We don't even know Numbers beyond the first 2 days in Europe. The only thing we know is that Nintendo due to the end of the fiscal year channel stuffed for a positive spin.

In the first 2 days at least 33% of the initial GAF estimated shipment was soldout. This also coincides with the largest Nintendo Handheld launch ever in Europe.

The only thing these thread contain are alot of annoying as fuck chicken littles hoping and praying for disaster

In UK, there was nothing said about best Nintendo handheld launch ever in Europe, I think. And they greatly missed their first week projections there. 3DS games on the UK sales chart had a huge drop in the second week and they didn't even chart in the first week in many european territories.

The point charlequin is making is not "did the 3DS sell good number?"
He is pointing that Nintendo greatly overestimate the first shipment and stockholders are not going to be happy.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

We don't even know Numbers beyond the first 2 days in Europe. The only thing we know is that Nintendo due to the end of the fiscal year channel stuffed for a positive spin.

In the first 2 days at least 33% of the initial GAF estimated shipment was soldout. This also coincides with the largest Nintendo Handheld launch ever in Europe.

The only thing these thread contain are alot of annoying as fuck chicken littles hoping and praying for disaster

I thought they overestimated their preorders numbers with >30K not picking up the device?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

He is pointing that Nintendo greatly overestimate the first shipment and stockholders are not going to be happy.

I can't see how they'd miss shipment targets in EU/NA. There were only a few days between launch and the end of the quarter/FY, and they shipped the glut at once.

 

[Chris1964]

I can't see how they'd miss shipment targets in EU/NA. There were only a few days between launch and the end of the quarter/FY, and they shipped the glut at once.

Nintendo can't have missed the target. They definetelly shipped 2.5 million 3DS for day 1, adding possibly another 500k from Japan. How many they sold is another matter.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Well, good timing from those azalyn shipment predictions, was thinking about next week titles to predict and the Homefront PS3 surprised me a little. Should we include it? The 3 baseball, persona, pilotwings and SRT Z 2nd are taken for granted.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Famitsu Mar 14-20

24./26. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 4,247 / 6,097,954 (+15%)

So I was thinking about this game's stamina again and wondering if any other games showed up in the Top 30 so long after release. A bit of SQL, and the answer I get is: at least not in the scope of what I've got in Garaph. By a lot. I was getting a lot of false results, though--looks like some of the numbers updated from a Top 500 or whatever accidentally got ranks 1-30 applied to them.

Game: Age in days at most recent Famitsu Top 30 appearance

New Super Mario Bros.: 1760
Animal Crossing Wild World: 1404
Mario Kart DS: 1389
Mario Kart Wii: 1076
Pokémon Diamond/Pearl: 1060

 

[Alrus]

Looking at these famitsu numbers, Ninokuni might finally sell through its first shipment some day

 

[Kiriku]

Is it just me, or did Media Create threads suddenly become really popular again? I guess part of it would be the release of 3DS, of course. Also, I recall some graph showing number of replies for media create threads before, anyone know what I'm talking about?

 

[AceBandage]

Is it just me, or did Media Create threads suddenly become really popular again? I guess part of it would be the release of 3DS, of course. Also, I recall some graph showing post activity for media create threads before, anyone know what I'm talking about?

Hardware launches are always more interesting than software launches.

 

[sphinx]

Hardware launches are always more interesting than software launches.

hell, just wait til NGP gets released, it will be like the 2nd round, " Handhelds, FIGHT! "..XD

These threads are gonna get really interesting and funny.

I am kinda wishing that sony gets their act together and that they really challenge nintendo this time around.

 

[JordanLMiller]

Sometime we must make a serious conversation about that opinion that Nintendo has to hold back so that it gives air to third parties.

Small but important to some people sales thing. It seems that Famitsu stopped providing monthly top 10 at its site. Yahoo hasn't uploaded for some weeks and only oricon has remained.

I'd like to see what people think about the idea of holding back first party games to give third party ones a better chance to sell. I'm really not sure what I think about it personally, but I do know it made me not pick up anything for launch so clearly that tactic didn't work for me. However I don't imagine many people buy a system without some sort of game so maybe the plan did work?

 

[Aru]

April initial shipment forecast from azalyn

[PSP] Earth Defence Force 2 Portable (D3 Publisher) {2011.04.07} - 100.000

[3DS] Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo) {2011.04.14} - 70.000
[3DS] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) {2011.04.14} - 50.000
[PSP] Super Robot Wars Z 2nd (Bandai Namco) {2011.04.14} - 450.000
[PSP] Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Atlus Co.) {2011.04.14} - 100.000
[PSP] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) {2011.04.14} - 100.000
[PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) {2011.04.14} - 120.000
[PS3] Homefront (Spike) {2011.04.14} - 50.000
[360] Homefront (Spike) {2011.04.14} - 20.000

[PSP] GachiTora! Abarenbou Kyoushi in High School (Spike) {2011.04.21} - 50.000
[PS3] SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs 4 (SCE) {2011.04.21} - 40.000

[PSP] Final Promise Story (Image Epoch) {2011.04.28} - 80.000
[PS3] El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron (Ignition) {2011.04.28} - 80.000
[360] El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron (Ignition) {2011.04.28} - 20.000

That's a pretty low shipment for Final Promise Story. Also, is this the correct title of the game ? I thought it was changed to Tale of the Final Promise ?

 

[Bebpo]

April initial shipment forecast from azalyn

[PSP] Earth Defence Force 2 Portable (D3 Publisher) {2011.04.07} - 100.000

[3DS] Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo) {2011.04.14} - 70.000
[3DS] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) {2011.04.14} - 50.000
[PSP] Super Robot Wars Z 2nd (Bandai Namco) {2011.04.14} - 450.000
[PSP] Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Atlus Co.) {2011.04.14} - 100.000
[PSP] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) {2011.04.14} - 100.000
[PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) {2011.04.14} - 120.000
[PS3] Homefront (Spike) {2011.04.14} - 50.000
[360] Homefront (Spike) {2011.04.14} - 20.000

[PSP] GachiTora! Abarenbou Kyoushi in High School (Spike) {2011.04.21} - 50.000
[PS3] SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs 4 (SCE) {2011.04.21} - 40.000

[PSP] Final Promise Story (Image Epoch) {2011.04.28} - 80.000
[PS3] El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron (Ignition) {2011.04.28} - 80.000
[360] El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron (Ignition) {2011.04.28} - 20.000

Holy shit.

This is kind of a gamble imo. The handheld entries do like 100-150k and it's been 3 years since the console ones and that was with the PS2 user base and even those opened at like 361k for SRW Z1. Personally I felt the sales would be somewhere between, but apparently Namco and retailers feel they will be even MORE than they were on the PS2 3 years ago.

Will either be huge success or fill the discount bins after a week. :X

 

[Pureauthor]

Will either be huge success or fill the discount bins after a week. :X

So... win-win?

(Admittedly the 'win' is for different people depending on situation.)

 

[Chris1964]

So I was thinking about this game's stamina again and wondering if any other games showed up in the Top 30 so long after release. A bit of SQL, and the answer I get is: at least not in the scope of what I've got in Garaph. By a lot. I was getting a lot of false results, though--looks like some of the numbers updated from a Top 500 or whatever accidentally got ranks 1-30 applied to them.

Game: Age in days at most recent Famitsu Top 30 appearance

New Super Mario Bros.: 1760
Animal Crossing Wild World: 1404
Mario Kart DS: 1389
Mario Kart Wii: 1076
Pokémon Diamond/Pearl: 1060

The original Super Mario Bros. is the real monster.

Random week of 1991 we have points of Famitsu.

{1991.12.20 - 1991.12.26} 28. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) {1985.09.13} - 369

2296 days. Maybe it has charted for longer. There are many weeks missing.

 

[Busaiku]

The original Super Mario Bros. is the real monster.

Random week of 1991 we have points of Famitsu.

{1991.12.20 - 1991.12.26} 28. [NFC] Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) {1985.09.13} - 369

2296 days. Maybe it has charted for longer. There are many weeks missing.

I have no doubt that New Super Mario Bros will chart again some time next year.
Probably around the time Super Mario comes out.

 

[charlequin]

Secondly, in my opinion, the only thing that was a mistake was their projections, not the strategy.

Their "strategy" was the strategy that was supposed to meet those projections -- projections that were not inherently unreasonable for the successor to the DS. So, no: their strategy was a failure, because their excessive pricing counteracted whatever casual viral appeal (or just pre-emptive buying-the-DS'-successor-without-any-software) effect was supposed to frontload their sales.

The question is, is Nintendo worried?

Yes, absolutely. Any company is worried when they blow their projections and their stock slips as a result. Again, this is not a particularly ambiguous question.

I'd like to see what people think about the idea of holding back first party games to give third party ones a better chance to sell.

The DS approach really seems straightforwardly correct to me: drive heavy upfront with strong first-party software, then pull back after a year or so to let the third-parties step into the breach.

 

[Alrus]

hell, just wait til NGP gets released, it will be like the 2nd round, " Handhelds, FIGHT! "..XD

These threads are gonna get really interesting and funny.

I am kinda wishing that sony gets their act together and that they really challenge nintendo this time around.

I'm really curious about Sony's launch strategy in Japan. So far the game they have "announced" are mostly western oriented (I doubt many people care about portable uncharted in Japan...).

 

[ksamedi]

If Nintendo really wanted to give third parties room to succeed, they should have given them dev kits way earlier than 6 months before launch.

 

[Takao]

I'm really curious about Sony's launch strategy in Japan. So far the game they have "announced" are mostly western oriented (I doubt many people care about portable uncharted in Japan...).

SCEJ's PSP launch only had like a Manichi Issho, and Hot Shots Golf game. I imagine there's a bunch of stuff they have planned but haven't announced. The LocoRoco team has been silent since 2009, and Acquire heavily hinted at an NGP Badman game.

 

[Chris1964]

I have no doubt that New Super Mario Bros will chart again some time next year.
Probably around the time Super Mario comes out.

Mario Kart DS will chart again this November and has a 6 month headstart from New Super Mario Bros. But New Super Bros. will be the winner in the end.

SCEJ's PSP launch only had like a Manichi Issho, and Hot Shots Golf game. I imagine there's a bunch of stuff they have planned but haven't announced. The LocoRoco team has been silent since 2009, and Acquire heavily hinted at an NGP Badman game.

Because of this soft software launch PSP was dead 3 months after release.

 

[xero273]

Holy shit.

This is kind of a gamble imo. The handheld entries do like 100-150k and it's been 3 years since the console ones and that was with the PS2 user base and even those opened at like 361k for SRW Z1. Personally I felt the sales would be somewhere between, but apparently Namco and retailers feel they will be even MORE than they were on the PS2 3 years ago.

Will either be huge success or fill the discount bins after a week. :X

namco is banking on Godsuna to sell the game!!!

yea, I think they shipped too much for this game.

 

[Pureauthor]

It's got voiced Macross Frontier and TTGL in it. Maybe that's what they're relying on to rake in the sales.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

SCEJ's PSP launch only had like a Manichi Issho, and Hot Shots Golf game. I imagine there's a bunch of stuff they have planned but haven't announced. The LocoRoco team has been silent since 2009, and Acquire heavily hinted at an NGP Badman game.

I thought YS developer said they would be on NGP for launch as well.

 

[Takao]

I thought YS developer said they would be on NGP for launch as well.

I was talking about SCEJ published games.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

SCEJ's PSP launch only had like a Manichi Issho, and Hot Shots Golf game. I imagine there's a bunch of stuff they have planned but haven't announced. The LocoRoco team has been silent since 2009, and Acquire heavily hinted at an NGP Badman game.

NGP Badman is likely the NGP rts they confirmed to be in development. They're also making an NGP stealth action game, which is probably Techu for From Software.

They have an unannounced 3DS rpg in development too, which wouldn't be Class of Heroes 3D since that's both announced and not internally developed.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/03/09/acquire_ngp_3ds/

 

[Chris1964]

Well, good timing from those azalyn shipment predictions, was thinking about next week titles to predict and the Homefront PS3 surprised me a little. Should we include it? The 3 baseball, persona, pilotwings and SRT Z 2nd are taken for granted.

That shipment for Homefront looks very high looking at amazon, comgnet and recent releases of Killzone 3 and Crysis. Retailers or azalyn must overestimate it.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

That shipment for Homefront looks very high looking at amazon, comgnet and recent releases of Killzone 3 and Crysis. Retailers or azalyn must overestimate it.

Yeah, Spike must be thinking this is another Dragon Age but doesn't look like demand is anywhere near that. They are having a really great year start though, but we're probably going to jinx them.

Prediction League (Apr 11 - Apr 17)
[3DS] Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo) -
[3DS] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) -
[PSP] Super Robot Wars Z 2nd (Bandai Namco) -
[PSP] Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Atlus Co.) -
[PSP] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) -
[PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) -

 

[charlequin]

If Nintendo really wanted to give third parties room to succeed, they should have given them dev kits way earlier than 6 months before launch.

Exactly. To a certain degree, I think a pure third-party launch could work, you'd just have to put kits in developers' hands a year or more in advance, work directly with producers to design titles and new IPs with significant appeal, and then do a huge first-party marketing push for the individual third-party titles -- i.e. all concepts that are apparently foreign to Nintendo.

 

[Chris1964]

That guy from geimin bought Media Create Game Hakusho already (numbers through 2 January).

25th anniversary red Wii: 97.442
Torne: 784.000
Move: 170.000
Kinect: 90.000

 

[Takao]

Those Kinect sales are actually pretty good.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Exactly. To a certain degree, I think a pure third-party launch could work, you'd just have to put kits in developers' hands a year or more in advance, work directly with producers to design titles and new IPs with significant appeal, and then do a huge first-party marketing push for the individual third-party titles -- i.e. all concepts that are apparently foreign to Nintendo.

Major 3rd parties had kits in Q1 2010, about a year before launch. This was the source of the press leaks I thought, which is what caused Nintendo to do that early IR announcement of the system?

If 3rd parties only got kits 6 months before launch, how did they have E3 demos ready 9 months before launch and playable demos around TGS time 6 months before launch?

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Torne looks like a secret PS3 killer app. That's a pretty decent attach rate right?


Prediction League (Apr 11 - Apr 17)
[3DS] Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo) - 34,453
[3DS] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) - 19,890
[PSP] Super Robot Wars Z 2nd (Bandai Namco) - 330,123
[PSP] Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Atlus Co.) - 79,879
[PSP] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) - 67,890
[PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) - 101,234

 

[Chris1964]

Those Kinect sales are actually pretty good.

Kinect like X360 is dead. Everything that will come out for t will bomb hard.

Famitsu
{2010.11.15 - 2010.11.21} 13. [360] Kinect Adventures (Microsoft Game Studios) {2010.11.20} - 16.911 / 16.911
{2010.11.22 - 2010.11.28} 21. [360] Kinect Adventures (Microsoft Game Studios) {2010.11.20} - 10.882 / 27.793
{2010.11.29 - 2010.12.05} 20. [360] Kinect Adventures (Microsoft Game Studios) {2010.11.20} - 12.683 / 40.476
{2010.12.06 - 2010.12.12} 28. [360] Kinect Adventures (Microsoft Game Studios) {2010.11.20} - 10.740 / 51.216
{2010.12.13 - 2010.12.19} 30. [360] Kinect Adventures (Microsoft Game Studios) {2010.11.20} - 14.141 / 65.357
{2010.12.20 - 2010.12.26} 00. [360] Kinect Adventures (Microsoft Game Studios) {2010.11.20} - 5.673 / 71.030
{2011.01.10 - 2011.01.16} 00. [360] Kinect Adventures (Microsoft Game Studios) {2010.11.20} - 0 / 82.184