What would they gain by alienating the DS/DS Lite crowd?
Media Create Sales: Week 16, 2012 (Apr 16 - Apr 22)
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What would they gain by alienating the DS/DS Lite crowd?
electroplankton
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That's why I said no relevant.
Cielo no Surge might give a bump, but it's not something that you can call a system seller. A Top 5 when number 2 is at 19k is not something significant as well. Fire Emblem: Awakening was a relevant release, for comparison.
I know. I guess "convince" would have been a better word.
Onimusha Tactics 3D, a twofer revival!
The_Darkest_Red
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I really hope the Vita can pick up the pace at some point, I'd hate to see so much potential go to waste. It's been a strange experience for me personally, going from the excellent launch (to me, at least) to the completely barren present and bleak future.
It would be more for Nintendo's benefit. 3DS is still selling badly outside of Japan; so badly in fact that Nintendo's prematurely releasing NSMB2 to geta boost. Pokemon is exactly what 3DS needs in the west right now.
Exterminieren
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Nah. DSi is every bit as dead as the other DSs. If you're sticking with a dead console anyway, it makes no sense to arbitrarily limit the install base; either put it on the console which has a future, or the massive install base.
Or because they're bringing out New Super Mario Bros. Mii at Wii U launch, and releasing two NSMB games at the same time will limit the games' effectiveness.
Come on, BP, you're jumping to conclusions again.
Sammy Samusu
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"Fiascal" as in "fiscal results" or "fiasco results"?
I've started thinking about DKCR the moment I saw NSMB2 would have been released in August. There's a space for a 2D platform game for next Holiday left. I don't think Nintendo will release just Animal Crossing for the end of the year. It needs another very big seller.
It can be an iOS tie in to Spark's reboot.
Lord_Byron28
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They anounced NSMB2(not by name) last investors meeting. They also gave away quite a bit of info about what they plan on doing with the Wii U and 3DS online plans.
No clue, if info is to be believed Retro is working away at a Wii U title. I'd think a Zelda title would be too soon. Oni training and NSMB2 will be summer 2012. Luigi's Mansion 2 could be an October release, Animal Crossing could be November and Super Paper Mario for December but I don't think that will be hard hitting enough. Perhaps MH4 or a major 3rd party game could come for Japan. In the west same lineup with perhaps 3G as the major 3rd party title. I'm not sure.
I don't think last year's situation is comparable because Nintendo had a whole lot of titles without dates(3D Land, Animal Crossing, Kid Icarus, Paper Mario, etc.). This year Nintendo only has Luigi's Mansion, Paper Mario and Friend Collection without dates. Friend Collection is almost guaranteed to not make it out this year due to Animal Crossing.
The point was that people would end up buying a 3DS, basically making it a 3DS game/system seller without forcing Game Freak on 3DS before they're ready.
It would have made more sense to delay it until next year in that case.
And I don't think 3DS's sales in the US can be described as anything other than lukewarm at best.
I would do almost anything for a legitimate, true Final Fantasy Tactics 2. But for some reason I don't think the majority of the staff from the first game are still together at any particular team. Prove me wrong, GAF.
hardcastlemccormick
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No piracy?
EDIT: Well not none, but less. It still cuts the sales down a ridiculous amount.
Exterminieren
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You're talking about an install base of 37 million consoles vs an install base of about 12 million.
Making BW2 DSi exclusive brings precisely no benefits that the 3DS software and a round of bundling wouldn't easily overhaul.
Saying it once might help.
Convincing reasons to slash the install base only, please.
I'm not saying it again.
I'm not talking about Japan. It's fine there.
Hm. I wonder if they could make it DSi-exclusive outside of Japan...
cyberheater
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Surely one or two months of this and Sony has to drastically reduce the price to get things going.
BishopLamont
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Then you'd lose out on the massive DS install base, not everyone will buy a 3DS for Pokemon.
The way Nintendo is doing means anyone who is a hardcore gamer enough will buy a 3DS for Pokemon if they need a new DS, and the kids who already have a DS will just buy the game. Win/win situation.
Not entirely true. DSi has double the RAM and clockspeed of the DS and DSL. If someone wanted to they could tap that power to do things the baseline DS could not handle.
Sales wise? It's a dumb idea, which is why no one thought of doing it.
ShockingAlberto
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The 3DS apps are already incentive for the type of people who would be interested in a numbered sequel to a Pokemon game.
Your plan has too many steps of presumption of what X person would do. They'd probably just buy a cheaper DSi or avoid the game altogether, cutting out valuable revenue from the project.
The_Darkest_Red
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I'm not convinced a price cut would do much (which is how I've felt since the Vita launched). I still think the primary issue is a lack of compelling software, and I can't imagine a lower price offsetting that problem in any significant way.
frankie_baby
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A price cut aint gonna do shit though without a good line up of games to back it up
man what
cyberheater
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I think they need to cut price and provide games folks want to play. Games alone won't do it by themselves.
Lord_Byron28
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On top of the fact that it will make Sony bleed more money which they can't afford to do.
bigtroyjon
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PSP(2011 YTD)= 751,974
PSP+PSV(2012)=545,614
Looking ahead to Week 17, PSP did 77,225 in 2011.
3DS+DS(2011 YTD)=1,296,528
3DS+DS(2012 YTD)=1,493,854
Looking ahead to week 17, 3DS+DS did 45,551 in 2011.
All handhelds(2011 YTD)=2,048,502
All handhelds(2012 YTD)=2,039,468
PSP+PSV(2012)=545,614
Looking ahead to Week 17, PSP did 77,225 in 2011.
3DS+DS(2011 YTD)=1,296,528
3DS+DS(2012 YTD)=1,493,854
Looking ahead to week 17, 3DS+DS did 45,551 in 2011.
All handhelds(2011 YTD)=2,048,502
All handhelds(2012 YTD)=2,039,468
I know, but looking a 3DS's sales in the NPD threads always makes me feel concerned.
At the very least, they better have some 3DS bundles and accessories.
It's shocking how much Vita is dragging the market down.
frankie_baby
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I always wondered how good looking a proper effort dsi exclusive game could've been, something we will never know
ShockingAlberto
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Oh right, you went on record that the Vita will beat the 3DS in the NPD this month. That should be an interesting result.
Once again, stop this. Seriously.
Personally I thought that by the point of release the 3DS userbase would be big enough that they can get away with doing a 3DS game, but I guess Nintendo doesn't feel the same way.
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What?
Why would anyone think this? Like sales were just going to magically stop following continuing trends and reverse for no reason...
No, I realized the huge hole in my logic later and even posted in the thread mentioning it. Now I'm expecting 3DS to sell twice as much as Vita this month. lol
Yeah, I'm an idiot.
there isn't enough benefit to make Pokemon BW2 DSi enhanced. For the reduced userbase (and the utter confusion it'd cause w/ kids that can't figure out why their DS Lite won't play the game) they'd might as well release as a 3DS exclusive.
We've seen time and time again that price cuts alone only provide a temporary jump. Even in the 3DS' case it took the MH3G announcement to stabilize the jump in sales that gradually began a decline once again.
We've seen time and time again that price cuts alone only provide a temporary jump. Even in the 3DS' case it took the MH3G announcement to stabilize the jump in sales that gradually began a decline once again.
BishopLamont
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lol. oh god.
The_Darkest_Red
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How can you be sure? I'm pretty sure you and I have had this exact same conversation in the past but it always brings me back to one point --- we don't have any evidence from the past to back your statement up. When the 3DS was $250 and struggling the lineup was severely lacking, and we have no idea how it would have sold with the current software lineup if the price was kept at $250.
The 3DS never took off until it got a few very high profile games. Until the Vita has a similar lineup of software (if it ever does) it's impossible to know whether or not it can succeed at $250.
Shantae is the closest thing unfortunately.
Lord_Byron28
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I don't think it has to do with install base. Gamefreak had been repeating the same line for over a year now that they plan on still supporting the DS and had anouncements to show for that. I think this will be their last DS title though.
frankie_baby
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When it comes down to it pokemon is a niche, a pretty damn huge niche but still at least half the market wouldnt be seen dead playing it, the 3ds needs a pretty damn big userbase beforr it'll get its own pokemon game
Exterminieren
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Just keep repeating that it's tracking well above the DS, and breathe. Kneecapping one of your evergreen titles with an arbitrary limitation like the DSi restriction will do nothing but limit the sales power of that title and damage the brand.
Considering they've already unveiled a set of BW2-compatible apps for 3DS, I don't see any scenario in which this doesn't happen.
Bruno MB
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The next overperforming Nintendo title will be Paper Mario 3D. I can see it being a million seller if Nintendo pushes it hard.
I know there has not been a portable Paper Mario entry, up to now Nintendo only had released Mario & Luigi games.
Mario & Luigi RPG 3 sold 745,701, it almost doubled Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time sales.
The best selling Paper Mario title is Super Paper Mario with 505,491 units sold. The Nintendo 64 title sold 425,609, a great figure for a late release.
I know there has not been a portable Paper Mario entry, up to now Nintendo only had released Mario & Luigi games.
Mario & Luigi RPG 3 sold 745,701, it almost doubled Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time sales.
The best selling Paper Mario title is Super Paper Mario with 505,491 units sold. The Nintendo 64 title sold 425,609, a great figure for a late release.
They sell like 25+ million copies. Is CoD. A niche? Is Mario?
From Wiki. Basically the biggest holiday periods of the year for Japanese. Pretty sure kids get a bit of money too for the holidays so usually they go out and buy new games.
Exterminieren
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If Pokemon is niche, then damn near every game series ever made would kill to be niche.
By this argument, CoD is niche because of the amount of people too young to play it.