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[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Vita TV could really hurt Vita long term. If your content with playing at home its half the price and you can do everything the vita can.

That said im not surprised though.Sony is in money mode now. Vita being made cheaper to maximize profits and TV version is all about selling old games for maximum profit.

vita tv is a vita lol, how can it hurt itself?

 

[MaxwellParrish]

Vita TV could really hurt Vita long term. If your content with playing at home its half the price and you can do everything the vita can.

That said im not surprised though.Sony is in money mode now. Vita being made cheaper to maximize profits and TV version is all about selling old games for maximum profit.

I don't see how it could hurt Vita: surely, it's absolutely possible that is going to erode part of the Vita hardware sales, but, if it sell well, is going to attract more developers to the Vita, meaning a more healthy state. By the way, I think is quite possible that the margin of profit of Sony on the hardware are better for this VitaTV that for the actual portable

 

[michaelius]

Yakuza is just remote play from PS4.

Heh when i started writing it it was still coming to Vita in GAF thread Ok checked now it was error.

 

[TasTokyo]

I haven't see it, 'cause my stream didn't function most of the time, but wasn't someone in this thread saying that Sega annunced that Yakuza is going to be a launch title, too?

RgG Ishin in his post is Ryu ga Gotoku. The Japanese title. So it's there just hard to find.

 

[Mpl90]

Is PS4 41,979 Yen or 39,980? I suppose 41,979, since that's the total with taxes included, no?

Still, here's the PS4 launch lineup

{2014-02-22} [PS4] Totemo E Mahjong Plus (ASW)***
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Battlefield 4 (Electronic Arts)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] FIFA 14 (Electronic Arts)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Natural Doctrine (Kadokawa Shoten)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Strider (Capcom)*
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Dynasty Warriors 8 with Extreme Legends (Koei Tecmo)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Call of Duty: Ghosts (Square Enix)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Final Fantasy XIV: A Real Reborn - Beta (Square Enix)*
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Yakuza Ishin (Sega)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Killzone Shadow Fall (SCE)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Doki-Doki Universe (SCE)**
{2014-02-22} [PS4] DRIVECLUB (SCE)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Knack (SCE)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Hohokum (SCE)***
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Resogun (SCE)***
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Dream Club: Hosts Girls on Stage (D3 Publisher)***
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Nikoli no Puzzle 4: Sudoku (Hamster)***
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (Ubisoft)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Watch Dogs (Ubisoft)

*=Undecided
**=Free to play
***=Digital only
Infamous: Second Son is listed for Spring.

 

[javac]

Doubt this will be known but Vita TV will count as its own SKU on the sales breakdown right? I wonder if the Vita TV will be seen as pro-handheld or not? It's getting the Vita a bigger userbase and software sales but it's not really a handheld

 

[Alrus]

So weird seeing a console launch without Ridge Racer

 

[Glass Rebel]

Is PS4 41,979 Yen or 39,980? I suppose 41,979, since that's the total with taxes included, no?

Still, here's the PS4 launch lineup

It's Hohokum, not Homo-kun.

 

[Magicpaint]

At first I thought that was a lacklustre lineup for PS4 but then I saw Yakuza Ishin.

Doubt this will be known but Vita TV will count as its own SKU on the sales breakdown right? I wonder if the Vita TV will be seen as pro-handheld or not? It's getting the Vita a bigger userbase and software sales but it's not really a handheld

It's basically a modern kind of super Game Boy, I guess?

 

[BriBri]

It's Hohokum, not Homo-kun.

Homo-kun sounds awesome.

Kuroko's Basketball coming this Winter to 3DS. How big is this anime?

 

[crinale]

At first I thought that was a lacklustre lineup for PS4 but then I saw Yakuza Ishin.

It's basically a modern kind of super Game Boy, I guess?

You nailed it. I think similar thing existed for GBA and GC.

 

[javac]

It's basically a modern kind of super Game Boy, I guess?

Kinda-sorta I guess

Spoiler

Always wanted to compliment you on your awesome Avatar

 

[Magicpaint]

You nailed it. I think similar thing existed for GBA and GC.

Yeah there was the Super Game Boy and Game Boy Player. Neither hurt the handhelds so I'm not sure why people suggesting that for the Vita TV. Though I guess with those you had to own a console to use them.

Kinda-sorta I guess

Spoiler

Always wanted to compliment you on your awesome Avatar

Thank you. I do love me some Studio Ghibli.

Spoiler

And I am sad about Miyazaki retiring from directing

 

[DrWong]

Regarding PS4 launch - bad news to not be able to launch this year but without the right softwarse it's wise to wait - Yakuza is the only real "system seller" right now but the game will also be avalaible on PS3 so I'm not sure it will move so many units. The PS4 only launch games are not so hot for the Jp market. Am I wrong ?

Also, this delayed PS4 Jp launch remove some pressure on Nintendo and the Wii U.

 

[walking fiend]

Seems everything has given in to 3DS in Japan.

 

[Mpl90]

So, looking at the lineup, outside of Sony's first party offering (and Knack is probably the only one that can be considered "relevant" in Japan), there's no retail PS4 exclusive title. Yakuza is also on PS3, Dynasty Warriors 8 with Extreme Legends is a late port, and it'll be released with the combined SKU only, much later than on PS3 and Vita, Natural Doctrine is PS3/PS4/Vita, FFXIV is a late port and, then, all the Western titles. Dream Club is a download title too... Eh, it doesn't seem that strong to me, especially with a console going for 39, if not 41k yen.

 

[liger05]

PS4 could be slow out of the gate with that lineup.

 

[michaelius]

Is PS4 41,979 Yen or 39,980? I suppose 41,979, since that's the total with taxes included, no?

Still, here's the PS4 launch lineup

{2014-02-22} [PS4] Totemo E Mahjong Plus (ASW)***
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Battlefield 4 (Electronic Arts)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] FIFA 14 (Electronic Arts)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Natural Doctrine (Kadokawa Shoten)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Strider (Capcom)*
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Dynasty Warriors 8 with Extreme Legends (Koei Tecmo)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Call of Duty: Ghosts (Square Enix)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Final Fantasy XIV: A Real Reborn - Beta (Square Enix)*
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Yakuza Ishin (Sega)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Killzone Shadow Fall (SCE)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Doki-Doki Universe (SCE)**
{2014-02-22} [PS4] DRIVECLUB (SCE)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Knack (SCE)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Hohokum (SCE)***
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Resogun (SCE)***
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Dream Club: Hosts Girls on Stage (D3 Publisher)***
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Nikoli no Puzzle 4: Sudoku (Hamster)***
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (Ubisoft)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Watch Dogs (Ubisoft)

*=Undecided
**=Free to play
***=Digital only
Infamous: Second Son is listed for Spring.

Looks pretty good to me

Two bigger hitters in Yakuza and Dynasty Warriors, FF MMO which just sold almostj 200k, all the bigger popular in Japan western franchises.

Rest will depend on what get's released as follow up in next months.

 

[1st Course]

They should have announced a new HSG for the PS4.

HSG helped the Vita a lot in its first year.

 

[Yoshi]

So, Sony will release two new consoles within a few months, I wonder which one will be more successful ^^?

 

[Liabe Brave]

So, looking at the lineup, outside of Sony's first party offering (and Knack is probably the only one that can be considered "relevant" in Japan), there's no retail PS4 exclusive title.

But that's true in the U.S. as well, isn't it? And there Sony will have to deal with a far stronger Microsoft than in Japan. Yet no one thinks the PS4 is going to tank in the States.

The problem isn't exclusives, it's games the Japanese want period. If they're popular enough, also being on PS3 won't kill them dead on PS4 (any more than PSP versions always kill PSV ones). But the overall lineup isn't terribly strong. Knack isn't the only game that'll the Japanese will want, but the third-party titles that are enormous in the West (CoD, AC, Battlefield, FIFA) are only "pretty good" in Japan.

 

[StreetsAhead]

Still, here's the PS4 launch lineup

{2014-02-22} [PS4] Battlefield 4 (Electronic Arts)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] FIFA 14 (Electronic Arts)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Natural Doctrine (Kadokawa Shoten)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Strider (Capcom)*
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Dynasty Warriors 8 with Extreme Legends (Koei Tecmo)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Call of Duty: Ghosts (Square Enix)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Final Fantasy XIV: A Real Reborn - Beta (Square Enix)*
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Yakuza Ishin (Sega)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Killzone Shadow Fall (SCE)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Doki-Doki Universe (SCE)**
{2014-02-22} [PS4] DRIVECLUB (SCE)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Knack (SCE)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (Ubisoft)
{2014-02-22} [PS4] Watch Dogs (Ubisoft)

*=Undecided
**=Free to play

Deleted the digital only titles for this purpose, but the Wii U launch line-up for comparison.

-Monster Hunter 3G HD Ver. (Capcom)
-Musou Orochi 2 Hyper (Koei Tecmo)
-Mass Effect 3 (EA)
-Fifa 2013 (EA)
-Batman Arkham City: Armored Edition (WB)
-Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (Koei Tecmo)
-Nintendo Land (Nintendo)
-New Super Mario Bros. U (Nintendo)
-Assassain's Creed III (Ubisoft)
-Zombi U (Ubisoft)
-Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (Namco Bandai)

14 (PS4) vs. 11 (Wii U)

EDIT: if FFXIV is a beta-only thing, does that mean it'll be download-only?

 

[NotLiquid]

Deleted the digital only titles for this purpose, but the Wii U launch line-up for comparison.

-Monster Hunter 3G HD Ver. (Capcom)
-Musou Orochi 2 Hyper (Koei Tecmo)
-Mass Effect 3 (EA)
-Fifa 2013 (EA)
-Batman Arkham City: Armored Edition (WB)
-Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (Koei Tecmo)
-Nintendo Land (Nintendo)
-New Super Mario Bros. U (Nintendo)
-Assassain's Creed III (Ubisoft)
-Zombi U (Ubisoft)
-Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (Namco Bandai)

14 (PS4) vs. 11 (Wii U)

EDIT: if FFXIV is a beta-only thing, does that mean it'll be download-only?

So I guess the apt comparison here is basically MH3U vs. Yakuza.

 

[Principate]

Ironically I'd probably say the Wii u had a better Japan focused launch line up. Consoles in Japan are going to have a tough time... Unless Vita TV somehow manages to take off.

 

[walking fiend]

So I guess the apt comparison here is basically MH3U vs. Yakuza.

The apt comparison is post holiday line-up of Wii U vs PS4.

 

[1st Course]

Japanese PS Vita launch lineup for comparison:

• BlazBlue: Continuum Shift II Plus
• Browser Sangokushi Touch Battle
• Project N.O.E.L.S.
• Fish On
• Dynasty Warriors Musou Next
• Shinobido II
• Power Smash 4
• Uncharted: Golden Abyss
• Hot Shots Golf 6
• F1 2011
• Dream Club
• Disgaea 3: Return
• Katamari no Biita
• Shin Kamaitacho no Yoru
• Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3
• Yuusha no Kiroku (turns your calendar into a RPG game)
• Dark Quest
• Lord of the Apocalypse
• Michael Jackson Experience HD
• NicoNico Douga (Japan's equivalent of YouTube)
• Sawari Makuuru
• Ridge Racer
• Monster Radar
• @field
• Minna to Issho: Friend Network
• Army Corps of Hel

 

[Principate]

The apt comparison is post holiday line-up of Wii U vs PS4.

Mostly dead either way?

 

[Yoshi]

So I guess the apt comparison here is basically MH3U vs. Yakuza.

Yakuza is a new game, though. Monster Hunter fans already had two options to play this game earlier on (Wii, 3DS), so the situation is quite different (in favor of PS4).

 

[walking fiend]

Mostly dead either way?

If despite the increasingly better lineup after holiday, Wii U stays dead, it's definitely very bad news for PS4 as well; it basically just shows that the home console market in Japan is in dire situation, and who knows, maybe dedicated handheld market follows in a generation or so.

 

[Yoshi]

The apt comparison is post holiday line-up of Wii U vs PS4.

So "nothing but Mario Kart" vs PS4? Not a good situation to be in for Wii U either . However, Nintendo will vertainly be very happy that it will only have to fight against one new PlayStation home console (and the PS3) for another holiday, as oppsed to the PS4, too.

 

[DragonSworne]

If despite the increasingly better lineup after holiday, Wii U stays dead, it's definitely very bad news for PS4 as well; it basically just shows that the home console market in Japan is in dire situation, and who knows, maybe dedicated handheld market follows in a generation or so.

Or it could the more likely case that people just aren't interested in the Wii U.

 

[walking fiend]

Or it could the more likely case that people just aren't interested in the Wii U.

Only if PS3 sales were better; unlike the west, it is quite comparable with Wii U in Japan.

 

[BishopLamont]

Quite funny everyone always talking bout a Nintendo hybrid console and here's Sony with the Vita TV.

They also have Donkey Kong the can throw out in January or February.

I imagine the new Yoshi should be ready soon after MK8.

 

[StreetsAhead]

So "nothing but Mario Kart" vs PS4? Not a good situation to be in for Wii U either . However, Nintendo will vertainly be very happy that it will only have to fight against one new PlayStation home console (and the PS3) for another holiday, as oppsed to the PS4, too.

They also have Donkey Kong the can throw out in January or February.

 

[SmokyDave]

Quite funny everyone always talking bout a Nintendo hybrid console and here's Sony with the Vita TV.

How quickly we forget the poor PSP GO with its TV out and DS3 functionality.

 

[Yoshi]

Quite funny everyone always talking bout a Nintendo hybrid console and here's Sony with the Vita TV.


I imagine the new Yoshi should be ready soon after MK8.

The new Wii U Yoshi wasn't even ready enough to be shown off at E3, so I highly doubt it. Yoshis Island 3 will be out before Yoshi Yarn will release, I'd guess.

 

[Glass Rebel]

How quickly we forget the poor PSP GO with its TV out and DS3 functionality.

I wonder why that is

 

[michaelius]

If despite the increasingly better lineup after holiday, Wii U stays dead, it's definitely very bad news for PS4 as well; it basically just shows that the home console market in Japan is in dire situation, and who knows, maybe dedicated handheld market follows in a generation or so.

I guess we will know in 6 month time how many people buy console at launch for launch games and how many becouse it's a new console that will have amazing games in future.

 

[Shahed]

Quite funny everyone always talking bout a Nintendo hybrid console and here's Sony with the Vita TV.

Well a hybrid makes sense in a way for both of them. As a way to support a market that you just don't prioritise as much as the other.

Other than a dreamland collaboration between Sony and Nintendo, it's probably the best I'll ever get

 

[Celine]

They certainly don't have an easy path ahead, but at least they have something that resembles a path, unlike the current state of the Vita.

Indeed.
Still not sure Vita will get much western third party support, outside some odd port from PS3.

As a side note the Vita TV is the type of device I think Nintendo should succeed the Wii U with.

Cheap ($100-$150), generally powerful enough (especially by the time the Wii U's life is over), can output to a TV, and still can accept whatever peripherals they want to use with it.

They can even base their handheld on similar parts and just upclock the ones in the box a la the iPad versus the iPhone.

That was Yamauchi and Miyamoto aspiration back 7-8 years ago.
However I still see a risk in simply going for the bottom of the barrel in that you will eventually compete with Apple and its iTunes (or Amazon) on the pricing side and that's something Nintendo need to avoid (commoditization of videogames).
I still think that a desirable "gimmick" is still needed in Nintendo toys.

 

[BlackJace]

They didn't even have the confidence to make Ishin PS4 only

 

[test_account]

I'm really curious to see how Vita TV will sell. Its pretty much the first of its kind unless i'm forgetting something. We have had Super Gameboy, Sega Master System addon for Mega Drive/Genesis, Gameboy Advance Player for Gamecube and stuff like that, but those were all addons for excisting systems. Vita TV is a system on its own, and the price is fairly cheap as well. I guess the closest things are Sega Nomad, although a reversed situation (a handheld that plays console carts). Maybe PSP GO as well, although that was severaly limited because it didnt support physical games.

 

[Mpl90]

Pricing comparison, courtesy of StreetsAhead

PS3: 59,800 yen (20GB)/open price set by retailers(60GB)
PS4: 41,979 yen (vanilla)/46,179 (w/ PS camera) *Note Knack bundle is the same price for both models
Wii U: 26,250 (Basic), 31,500 (premium), 38,850 (MH3GHD bundle)

 

[gundamkyoukai]

They didn't even have the confidence to make Ishin PS4 only

Makes no sense even if PS4 sales were great the won't have enough units to make it profitable on that system alone.
I expect to see a fair amount of cross gen stuff in Japan just like the west .

 

[Mpl90]

No one here is talking about Sengoku Musou 4 so far only on Vita? It's a good announcement, so out of nowhere (everyone was expecting it being on PS3/PS4, me too :lol) and, above all, it's another franchise going all out on portable for its new main entry.

 

[1st Course]

PS3: 59,800 yen (20GB)

49,980 yen

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060922e.pdf

 

[Shahed]

No one here is talking about Sengoku Musou 4 so far only on Vita? It's a good announcement, so out of nowhere (everyone was expecting it being on PS3/PS4, me too :lol) and, above all, it's another franchise going all out on portable for its new main entry.

It will probably come to PS3/PS4 at some point if not at the same time

 

[michaelius]

No one here is talking about Sengoku Musou 4 so far only on Vita? It's a good announcement, so out of nowhere (everyone was expecting it being on PS3/PS4, me too :lol) and, above all, it's another franchise going all out on portable for its new main entry.

I'm willing to bet other versions are annouced either on TGS or few months after it was released.

Doesn't really make sense to skip PS3 release when you have nice engine working on both.

 

[StreetsAhead]

49,980 yen

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060922e.pdf

Correcting my original post

 

[enishi]

I'm willing to bet other versions are annouced either on TGS or few months after it was released.

Doesn't really make sense to skip PS3 release when you have nice engine working on both.

http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/koeiinfo/20130909.htm

PS3 version already announced

タイトル
戦国無双４

対応機種
PlayStation®Vita、PlayStation®3

発売時期
2014年