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reckoning

 

[Tripon]

vita tv will sell to almost no one as a primary console, its a niche product that will sell either to vita owners wanting to play their games at home or people wanting to do ps4 streaming

if included it may do a bit of a bump to vita hardware sales but will do nothing for the software

I think I'll get a Vita TV eventually because there's a bunch of digital PSP titles that I would rather play on a TV. But yeah, that's just me and anecdotal evidence.

 

[saichi]

Well I guess since no one can say it didn't do well, people will instead say how MH4 has declined from 3rd with the implication that somehow they could have topped it somewhere else.

you know this is coming even when download card is sold out (according to DCharlie).

Yep, but I imagine Sony wouldn't do something slockly like make only 10,000 units and claim that they're all sold out.

I have to imagine the initial stock is more in the six figures range.

so you are expecting 100K opening first week?

Also, does anyone know if any other retailer taking preorder for VITA TV outside Amazon?

 

[Rolf NB]

So, out of curiosity I wonder will VitaTV sales be combined with the portable Vita or will its sales be counted as a separate/individual device? (I'm" assuming the latter)

I'm guessing it'll combine with the Vita. Because from the "what software will run on it" angle, it is the same platform.

 

[Fularu]

Yes, Sony has mentioned it several times. Also the whole thread about the Amazon pre-orders and the online polling reaction to the conference. A lot of things that on their own can easily be dismissed but together paint a promising looking picture.

I have no idea about long-term prospects but it should do very well this holiday. Especially with the void left in the console market by no PS4.

Amazon preorders? For real? Polls after the Sony conference watched by... Sony fans? That'S like asking Nintendo fans if they would buy whatever Nintendo announced. It's meaningless.

The VitaTV is nothing more than a product that has no real purpose. What is it? A "home Vita"? It can't play every Vita game. A multimedia device? It has no connections for USB drives or the ability to be patched to play most video/audio formats. A streaming device? Why buy it when you have stuff like the WDTV live or the Roku which are both cheaper and more able? A PS4 streaming device? I highly doubt a huhe number of PS4 owners will be even remotely interested in spending 100$ more to not play on their primary TV.

In short, this is a niche device that lacks both a purpose and an identity.

Will it sell out at launch? Maybe, after all, even the PSPGo sold somewhat at launch. Doen't mean it didn't fail (and I say that as a Go Owner )

 

[Tripon]

I think it will do well...

..but the big question for publishers will be-

Are those Vita TV's being sold to all new consumers (who will boost Vita software sales)?...or are the majority of sales going to be to current Vita owners who just want the option of playing their handheld games on TV (keeping software sales at a similar level)?

If its the latter, Sony will still get a small bump because some people with a VITA TV will allow a friend/family to use/give away their handheld or vice versa, meaning in the aggregate, there will be more VITA owners.

It's borrowing a page from Nintendo and their constant portable hardware refreshes.

 

[Devilgunman]

vita tv will sell to almost no one as a primary console, its a niche product that will sell either to vita owners wanting to play their games at home or people wanting to do ps4 streaming

I don't see why Vita TV can't get new customers. It is the cheapest gaming console in the market ($150 bundle) and that can generate an impulse purchase for those who has little interest in gaming. And even though it can't play all the Vita games, it supports almost all essential titles for Japanese market.

 

[Tripon]

you know this is coming even when download card is sold out (according to DCharlie).



so you are expecting 100K opening first week?

Also, does anyone know if any other retailer taking preorder for VITA TV outside Amazon?

Close to it, at least initially. Although now that several posters on gaf are saying the initial shipment being much lower is making me doubt my own prediction.

Just thought that the interest in a console is always highest at launch, and that Sony would be prepared for it. Maybe not.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

Damn Capcom. They should had released this on Vita instead. I'm pretty it will outsell MHP3rd easily.

I don't think so. But hey, there's a reason why Capcom has so little cash right now.

 

[metalslimer]

I don't see why Vita TV can't get new customers. It is the cheapest gaming console in the market ($150 bundle) and that can generate an impulse purchase for those who has little interest in gaming.

And yet without a PS3/PS4 this thing is a Vita. Price is not the issue for VIta.

I don't think so. But hey, there's a reason why Capcom has so little cash right now.

Yeah that's what they get for betraying Sony. Nice try Capcom.

 

[Man God]

Vita TV will likely not do very well in Japan at all considering they've been trending away from home consoles for so long now.

Sure the hardcore will buy it for a week but then it'll become a non entity.

 

[Fularu]

I don't see why Vita TV can't get new customers. It is the cheapest gaming console in the market ($150 bundle) and that can generate an impulse purchase for those who has little interest in gaming.

Not when you can buy a PS3 with two games for 199.

Had it been 99$ with a controller and 16 gb of internal memory, then yeah I could see a future for the device. But as is?

 

[massoluk]

02./00. [PSV] Yahari Game Demo Ore no Seishun Love-Kome Hamachi Gatteiru. # <ADV> (5pb.) {2013.09.19} (¥7.140) - 16.469 / NEW

A Japanese exclusive Batman game that is never going to get English localisation. ;(

 

[frankie_baby]

I don't see why Vita TV can't get new customers. It is the cheapest gaming console in the market ($150 bundle) and that can generate an impulse purchase for those who has little interest in gaming.

at that price though the price difference to a much more capable ps3 with its much better line up isn't that much

 

[Rolf NB]

Amazon preorders? For real? Polls after the Sony conference watched by... Sony fans? That'S like asking Nintendo fans if they would buy whatever Nintendo announced. It's meaningless.

The VitaTV is nothing more than a product that has no real purpose. What is it? A "home Vita"? It can't play every Vita game. A multimedia device? It has no connections for USB drives or the ability to be patched to play most video/audio formats. A streaming device? Why buy it when you have stuff like the WDTV live or the Roku which are both cheaper and more able? A PS4 streaming device? I highly doubt a huhe number of PS4 owners will be even remotely interested in spending 100$ more to not play on their primary TV.

In short, this is a niche device that lacks both a purpose and an identity.

Will it sell out at launch? Maybe, after all, even the PSPGo sold somewhat at launch. Doen't mean it didn't fail (and I say that as a Go Owner )

It's a Vita for half the price.
It's the return of the PSP's TV-out.
It's a download-only PSone.

How big of an issue dat control remapping really will be remains to be seen. It's definitely correct to say it "will not run all" Vita games, yes. But I do think the price will pull a lot of people somewhat attracted by Vita games off the fence.

 

[Tripon]

And yet without a PS3/PS4 this thing is a Vita. Price is not the issue for VIta.



Yeah that's what they get for betraying Sony. Nice try Capcom.

Betraying? Harsh words for a company that seems to made the right choice on selling on the more popular handheld.

 

[frankie_baby]

I don't think so. But hey, there's a reason why Capcom has so little cash right now.

you mean the same Capcom that just made about 300 million bucks

 

[cw_sasuke]

I don't think so. But hey, there's a reason why Capcom has so little cash right now.

If you think the MH IP is the reason why Capcom has had financial shortcomings lately you I have some bad news for you or you should just revisit their project sales expectations for the last 2 years.

 

[allan-bh]

I'm guessing it'll combine with the Vita. Because from the "what software will run on it" angle, it is the same platform.

I think not. Even 3DS and 3DS LL are separate. Only Vita 2000 will be combined, because is the same name with a different model number.

 

[Fularu]

It's a Vita for half the price..

No it isn't. It's a less capable Vita for 20$ less.

 

[Devilgunman]

And yet without a PS3/PS4 this thing is a Vita. Price is not the issue for VIta.

It certainly is. The Vita is significantly more expensive than its competitor (3DS) when you include a price of memory card. Vita TV is basically $150 Vita and at that price it can get people who's on the fence to buy it.

 

[metalslimer]

Betraying? Harsh words for a company that seems to made the right choice on selling on the more popular handheld.

Nope Capcom took a big moneyhat and betrayed it's loyal fans and biggest supporter in Sony. Karma is coming back to bite them

Spoiler

It certainly is. The Vita is significantly more expensive than its competitor (3DS) when you include a price of memory card. Vita TV is basically $150 Vita and at that price it can get people who's on the fence to buy it

The Vita is the same price as the 3DS XL without one and I doubt the higher capacity cards are flying off the shelves in Japan. Let's face it, even much cheaper than the 3DS without the games people want it will be a non factor

 

[Principate]

It certainly is. The Vita is significantly more expensive than its competitor (3DS) when you include a price of memory card. Vita TV is basically $150 Vita and at that price it can get people who's on the fence to buy it.

You also need to include the price of a controller.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Amazon preorders? For real? Polls after the Sony conference watched by... Sony fans? That'S like asking Nintendo fans if they would buy whatever Nintendo announced. It's meaningless.

The VitaTV is nothing more than a product that has no real purpose. What is it? A "home Vita"? It can't play every Vita game. A multimedia device? It has no connections for USB drives or the ability to be patched to play most video/audio formats. A streaming device? Why buy it when you have stuff like the WDTV live or the Roku which are both cheaper and more able? A PS4 streaming device? I highly doubt a huhe number of PS4 owners will be even remotely interested in spending 100$ more to not play on their primary TV.

In short, this is a niche device that lacks both a purpose and an identity.

Will it sell out at launch? Maybe, after all, even the PSPGo sold somewhat at launch. Doen't mean it didn't fail (and I say that as a Go Owner )

Wow lots of misinformation here

But you know its not like we know whether it can deliver as promised but its a pretty cheap way into a lot of software.

I think thats the key takeaway here. Value matters more than people seem to give it credit for and Vita TV sure does offer a lot in that department from what I can tell.

Some points that need clarity

-It does have a USB port (no idea if USB drives will be supported)

-It can be patched (its basically an ARM device)

-Streaming will work fine under proper conditions and there are already plenty of great examples and demonstrations of it working

-Video Streaming will be comparable to other devices at the same price as its competitors while offering a large amount of gaming content

It seems like a solid product. Unless everything fundamentally just doesn't work I don't see what's not to like here

 

[DrROBschiz]

You also need to include the price of a controller.

Unless you already own a PS3

 

[Devilgunman]

You also need to include the price of a controller.

$150 bundle comes with a controller.

 

[Principate]

$150 bundle comes with a controller.

But what size memory card?

 

[benao]

As if 3DS wasn't already in complete beast mode I have a feeling this will be an accurate depiction of Pokémon week.

Good thing I already had my breakfast, otherwise it would be all over my computer.

 

[Rolf NB]

No it isn't. It's a less capable Vita for 20$ less.

9,954¥ vs 19,980¥ yo.

 

[Devilgunman]

But what size memory card?

8 GB. But we talk about Japan though, where people still prefer physical media to digital.

 

[Tripon]

But what size memory card?

8 gig memory card?

The extra controller you have to buy isn't too bad. If you're really worried about price, you can just get a used PS3 controller. Its the price of the memory card that is a bitch. I don't see many people trying to sell their used Sony memory cards, so you almost have to buy new regardless and pay the Sony tax.

 

[shinra-bansho]

My gut feeling is that we'll basically see a repeat of what happened with the Vita the last few months, for the Wii U - transient spikes around significant events, changes in price or SKU configuration, major title releases, but dwindling back to terribad levels in the interim between them.

If the above is the case, and the PS4 ends up floundering too, then Japan essentially hurtles towards a one platform handheld future (if it isn't there already).

The problem I see there though, is that it's a one platform future that runs contrary to more global trends (i.e. a decline in dedicated handhelds due to the advent of smart devices). This probably works out fine for franchises and/or pubs that do the bulk of their sales in Japan, things like Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest.

So then where do Japanese pubs go with their software support in that scenario?

 

[Spiegel]

PSP # | 5.082 | 5.449 | 14.921 | 368.648 | 581.679 | 19.997.659 |

Next week

 

[Sylverstone14]

A Japanese exclusive Batman game that is never going to get English localisation. ;(

Sadly.

SNAFU game at number two

go hikky

(Man, I'm loving all this Oregairu love!)

 

[jakncoke]

BTW the whole port begging thing is getting tired. Why can't people just enjoy games where they are ? If it was about making games on the best platform, trust me, everything would be on PC.

I love how you started the post logical and sensible then ended it with the PC Elite bs which is no better if not worse than port begging.

 

[daxgame]

I don't think so. But hey, there's a reason why Capcom has so little cash right now.

Yeah, not enough 3DS games and too many HD games that flopped

btw, Pikmin got to 200k

 

[tuffy]

holy fuck, Nobunaga's Bomba :lol

should've just made another Pokémon Conquest...

Probably a good idea. Traditional Koei strategy sims don't seem to be accessible enough to hit the right audience on the 3DS, which is a little sad.

 

[Taker666]

If its the latter, Sony will still get a small bump because some people with a VITA TV will allow a friend/family to use/give away their handheld or vice versa, meaning in the aggregate, there will be more VITA owners.

It's borrowing a page from Nintendo and their constant portable hardware refreshes.

Not really.

I can't see many people giving away their Vita's for Vita tv's..in the same way I couldn't see people giving away their GBA'sif that got a Gameboy player for the Gamecube..

It's more an augmention to their current options rather than a replacement for an older machine.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

If you think the MH IP is the reason why Capcom has had financial shortcomings lately you I have some bad news for you or you should just revisit their project sales expectations for the last 2 years.

I'm talking about their business decisions in general.

you mean the same Capcom that just made about 300 million bucks

I'm curious to know how you got that number but, more importantly, they could have got much more.

 

[Vinnk]

Vinnk's Village Mini

1. Don't know about the bigger cities but the game stores in my town and Kokura that I went to (Wanpaku, best Denki, Yamada, 2 juscos and a Toys r us) were all sold out of both the cart and download card of MH4.

2. I did see a few of them for sale at a convience store though. And the convience stores have been pushing the game pretty hard the last few months.

3. Wonderful 101 hasn't price dropped yet. But it's only a matter of time.

4. I went to an amosement park the other day and kids with 3DS units were everywhere. Kids these days... You are at an amusement park. Put down the Pokemon for just a few hours...

5. Pokemon is gonna be huge.

6. Some of the local otaku who chat with me at the game stores are interested in the ps4 but don't know if they will get it at launch.

7. None of them were interested in owning the WiiU at all. One guy I talked to plans to buy one to play WWHD but plans to sell it back after he finishes. Same thing happened with the big games on the 360.

8. Many of the parents I hang out with say their kids are interested in the WiiU but that the price is way too high. (This was before the bundle was announced).

9. I haven't seen a Vita in the wild at all this month, but I still see tons of original PSPs. MH3rd Ppryable is still really popular. I wonder if these guys will "cross over" to the 3DS or Vita. Legit question. If the 3DS monster Hunter hasn't converted them, I wonder what will.

10. Docomo the largest cell phone carrier in Japan finally got the iPhone (they held out a long time). And there is more hype for this than any of the next gen consoles.

 

[Tripon]

So then where do Japanese pubs go with their software support in that scenario?

mobile/browser games and they stop making AAA titles, and just stick to/focus on making small AA titles until tablet and mobile can make AAA level graphics that demand a big budget.

We're probably going to see a lot more $3-$7 games that still has microtransactions as companies try to make money on each purchase of the game, plus a constant revenue stream from the whales. Square-Enix already tried it with All the Bravest.

 

[1st Course]

07./00. [3DS] Nobunaga's Ambition <SLG> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.09.19} (¥5.040) - 7.587 / NEW

Awful.

 

[braves01]

Do the MH4 numbers include eshop sales?

 

[Aquamarine]

Do the MH4 numbers include eshop sales?

No. Media Create estimated that eShop sales for MH4's first week were around 100,000 units.

 

[ArcaneFreeze]

Do the MH4 numbers include eshop sales?

Nope, digital sales aren't accounted for. Though I think Famitsu gets the sales of retail download cards. Other than that though we're completely in the black in terms of how much MH has been downloaded through the eShop.

 

[Doogdogg]

Do the MH4 numbers include eshop sales?

it's a secret to everybody

 

[Chris1964]

Nope, digital sales aren't accounted for. Though I think Famitsu gets the sales of retail download cards. Other than that though we're completely in the black in terms of how much MH has been downloaded through the eShop.

We aren't. 100k at launch weekend.

MH for Vita will chase these threads forever. And we have the new Vita savior lately, VitaTV.

 

[Road]

Vita TV will save Vita like Wonderful 101 saved the Wii U.

 

[flippedb]

MonHun 4 is a beast. 3DS is a beast. Japan is Nintendo Land, but mostly, 3DS Land.

 

[SmokyDave]

No. Media Create estimated that eShop sales for MH4's first week were around 100,000 units.

Blimey, that's a lot lower than I'd have thought.