AceBandage
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Mmm, ok. If you say so, chief.
I mean, I'm sure that Nintendo intervention had nothing to do with MH3 being moved to the Wii.
And I'm sure Nintendo intervention has nothing to do with MH3G and MH4 being on the 3DS.
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Media Create Sales: Week 47, 2011 (Nov 21 - Nov 27)
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Mmm, ok. If you say so, chief.
I mean, I'm sure that Nintendo intervention had nothing to do with MH3 being moved to the Wii.
And I'm sure Nintendo intervention has nothing to do with MH3G and MH4 being on the 3DS.
Final Fantasythehypocrite said:
Resident Evil
Grand Theft Auto
...jumped platforms and even generations and found success. In some cases full exclusivity (Final Fantasy PSone years), in others with limited exlcusivite (Resident Evil Gamecube years, or RE on Xbox 360) or just looking to gain more profits (GTA).
Even as mentioned Monster Hunter jumped from PS2 to PSP and it was on the PSP that it became a success and recieved the push it needed.
Though since this is a japanese-sales centric thread, I guess Final Fantasy is the better example. And the jump from Nintendo to PlayStation was even more drastic and betrayal-like to many back then.
Can't imagine something similar happening in a generation like this one.
Heck, the MHTriG announcement in here was overshadowed by the "omg slidepad add-on!!!!!! fuck you nintendo!!".
the games that define the 3DS and the Vita we probably know little about, it's unlikely either will roll a perfect hit again though Mario 3D is an incredible game and has , so far, been the stand out on the platform. Vita needs an original unique experience to define it - not just porty stuff. But that's getting away from how right i am about Monster Hunter... so....
I don't know what I'd do if Vita's "voice" is Dragon's Dogma Portable... Maybe cry in a corner?
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Okay crazy.
I mean, they put out a trailer for this game, they didn't do that for Monster Hunter PS3. Also, they moved that game to a system that would have cost them less to develop for, which in this case would be the 3DS. And if you don't think Nintendo will fight for that...Someone besides BurntPork is making some bold claims though, I like it.
madmaxx350
Member
and if it ends up selling 5 million+ and propel Vita to new heights
? I'd love to have a Dragon's Dogma game(ok I haven't played the PS3 version but hey I hope its good) on Vita.Okay crazy.
Someone besides BurntPork is making some bold claims though, I like it.
The game is in development on 3DS since I'm pretty sure I read somewhere today that the trailer was from in game footage.
Monster Hunter 3 was announced for PS3 in the same sense that Devil May Cry and Resident Evil were announced for the PSP.
AceBandage
Banned
Exactly.
Something like "Nintendo buys Square-Enix" or "Nintendo secures Final Fantasy XV through XX until 2045"; would just break this forums.
madmaxx350
Member
Exactly.
Something like "Nintendo buys Square-Enix" or "Nintendo secures Final Fantasy XV through XX until 2045"; would just break this forums.
or something like MHP3G announced for Vita next week to be released in February lol
and if it ends up selling 5 million+ and propel Vita to new heights
I would just have to swallow my pride and be thankful that the Crapcon gods have made it so games I actually enjoy can be made.
AceBandage
Banned
Correct.
fernoca said:Exactly.
Something like "Nintendo buys Square-Enix" or "Nintendo secures Final Fantasy XV through XX until 2045"; would just break this forums.
Nintendo buys Gears of War franchise.
Because maybe Capcom would rather bet on the winning horse this time? While I think you're being overly pessimistic, there is logic to the whole "PSP/Vita would have made them more money" idea, but I think that might be a bit short sighted.
Why wasn't MH on DS? It wasn't because of some misplaced loyalty to sony or in an attempt to cater to the PSP installed base. It was because the DS couldn't run it. Now they have an opportunity to sell to a market that will likely end up larger than the PSP or DS ever was by themselves. But in order to make that a reality, the 3DS needs to pick up steam and Capcom needs to create a fanbase on that handheld. Putting MH on the 3DS before announcing vita versions helps accomplish both.
Because this is capcom we're talking about, I fully expect vita to eventually get some version of MH. Even if nintendo has some sort of iron clad moneyhatted exclusivity agreement, capcom will find a way, as they always do. However, the 3DS market is most likely going to eclipse the Vita's. At the end of the day, whether or not MH eventually goes multi-plat, Capcom is probably making the smart decision by supporting the 3DS.
Oh, and I think you're dead wrong about 800k max sales. That sounds ludicrous. When it does break a mil, please be a decent person and own up to your misjudgment. In turn, we'll all take turns kissing the ring on your finger in humble concession if you end up being right (though you wont be).
Well, Portable 3 was demoed with Vita controls and Portable 3 was also re-released on PS3 in Capcom-HD. Doubt the 'G' additions would be "big" news.
Now, Monster Hunter Portable 4, would be "interesting"; since many assume the Portable series is "dead" because of the 3DS game(s); but ...well, is Capcom. They'll probably re-release Resident Evil 4 first.
madmaxx350
Member
Well, Portable 3 was demoed with Vita controls and Portable 3 was also re-released on PS3 in Capcom-HD. Doubt the 'G' additions would be "big" news.
Now, Monster Hunter Portable 4, would be "interesting"; since many assume the Portable series is "dead" because of the 3DS game(s); but ...well, is Capcom. They'll probably re-release Resident Evil 4 first.
This is exactly what intrigues me, I mean Portable series is the best selling MH series they have and the games that were part of it were fairly cheap to make so they probably made a lot of profit on that, so are they just going to scrap it all ? There's no need for it since really the main series is now portable.
Well, Portable 3 was demoed with Vita controls and Portable 3 was also re-released on PS3 in Capcom-HD. Doubt the 'G' additions would be "big" news.
Now, Monster Hunter Portable 4, would be "interesting"; since many assume the Portable series is "dead" because of the 3DS game(s); but ...well, is Capcom. They'll probably re-release Resident Evil 4 first.
I don't know what the full development breakdown is so far as Monster Hunter goes, in terms of how many teams there are, but from the Iwata Asks that was just posted today it sounds like they've been working on MH3G and MH4 simultaneously.
So I wonder how many staff they'd have left to work on a potential PSP/Vita MH at this point.
thehypocrite
Member
That I can agree, the potential success of the PSVita won't be carried by MH, but I also think that the success in japan of the PSP isn't solely based on the MH franchise.
I think motion controls were the driving factor behind the early success of the Wii, Wii Sports being the medium to communicate that makes you right.
AceBandage
Banned
Until MH, the PSP was basically dead in the water.
Monster Hunter revitalized the PSP in a way that is pretty much never seen, which lead to other games being announced for it to help continue that success.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
I still think the smart decission was to release a next Monster Hunter on the PSP - that may well still happen in the new year, then of course supporting 3DS and PSP makes perfect sense. Again - this may well be the road to splitting the franchise as MHTri/3 - 3rdP and MH4/MH4th
300k first day sales, 140k second week, 40k third week, 20k for a few weeks, then bomba bucket to 800k. I should be sitting on my throne of winnage around Feb i think. Probably just around the time of the MH4th Announcement for PSP (HD for PS3/PSV).
You can start queuing for ringkissing late jan!
I can then apologise in Dec 2012 when it limps towards the back nine of 990k
the only thing announcing 3rdG for PSP/PSV -HD would be to further harm those people buying 3DS for 3G. In the end Capcom doesn't owe anyone anything - if you buy 3g and a 3DS then *capcomshrug*. As i say , Old Capcom would usually scupper their exclusives themselves - at least this time they're keeping quiet (if it exists of course). 3rdG would be of note for existing PSP players as long as they can switch over progress. Again, the thought of having to sink XXX hours back into MH would be lightened if i can switch over with my armour, weapons, cats etc where they are right now.
Restarting for MH4 is completely fine - hence why -personally- i'm more interested in restarting with MH4 rather than MH3G.
This is also such a ridiculous idea.
So let me get this straight - there's a new game in a mega-popular franchise that's coming out on a newer piece of hardware that up to 4 million people, most likely more, haven't played at all, with no other hint or sign of a port or title within that franchise in sight on any other platform, and you think little to none of those millions of fans are going to be interested enough to buy it?
The main reasons the original MHTri didn't "drive people to the wii" was because 1. people preferred it on handhelds and 2. there were portable installments of MH clearly in the pipeline. You can't point to MHTri and pretend it's going to be the exact same scenario all over again. While I do think a vita version is coming eventually, there's nothing, at all, to suggest it's in the works right now other than wild speculation. There are millions of diehard MH fans in japan. They're not going to twiddle their thumbs "just cuz" for absolutely no conceivable reason. Most of those MH players haven't ever touched any of Tri. I'm not saying Tri3g is going to rake in 5+ million, but I do think you're severely underestimating its sales potential.
thehypocrite
Member
Sure all of them are successful franchises, however none of them provided success to a console individually.
This time it´s quite a bit more of an uphill battle since 3DS is basically getting franchises strongly associated with "Playstation" from the get-go on top of their own offering, while "Vita" has to take the backseat atleast for quite some time for the franchises in question. The only exception right now is Final Fantasy, it will be interesting to see what SQEX plans to do with it in future.
Infinite Justice
Member
I still think the smart decission was to release a next Monster Hunter on the PSP - that may well still happen in the new year, then of course supporting 3DS and PSP makes perfect sense. Again - this may well be the road to splitting the franchise as MHTri/3 - 3rdP and MH4/MH4th
300k first day sales, 140k second week, 40k third week, 20k for a few weeks, then bomba bucket to 800k. I should be sitting on my throne of winnage around Feb i think. Probably just around the time of the MH4th Announcement for PSP (HD for PS3/PSV).
You can start queuing for ringkissing late jan!
I can then apologise in Dec 2012 when it limps towards the back nine of 990k
the only thing announcing 3rdG for PSP/PSV -HD would be to further harm those people buying 3DS for 3G. In the end Capcom doesn't owe anyone anything - if you buy 3g and a 3DS then *capcomshrug*. As i say , Old Capcom would usually scupper their exclusives themselves - at least this time they're keeping quiet (if it exists of course). 3rdG would be of note for existing PSP players as long as they can switch over progress. Again, the thought of having to sink XXX hours back into MH would be lightened if i can switch over with my armour, weapons, cats etc where they are right now.
Restarting for MH4 is completely fine - hence why -personally- i'm more interested in restarting with MH4 rather than MH3G.
I'm actually laughing out loud in real life right now. Continue
But Vita and PSP has a similar colour as well so...
madmaxx350
Member
I'd say exclusive GTA propelled PS2 to new heights and I believe if 360 hadn't had that early lead and Sony wasn't completely demented with that $600 price tag that an exclusive GTA would have propelled PS3 up to the top(not counting WII which probably would still be #1) of the 360 in america.
they already announced FFX on Vita, i can see a Type-1 coming out in the future for it.
thehypocrite
Member
Hey I just said "potential and potentially" in regards to the chances of the PSVita to properly compete with the 3DS.
Is going to be difficult, but it can happen. if the PSVita is able to compete with 3DS, all gamers will benefit from the competition for our money.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
i'm perfectly clear about this - i'd prefer either MH4 at this point (3DS or PSP/PSV) but for MH3(rd)G , yes, i would have prefered it stayed on PSP so i could upgrade and continue the XXX hours i've put into 3rd already and see the new subspecies and monsters.
I don't think there's anything particularly fanboyish about that. Although this is the second time in a week it's been hinted i'm a Sony fanboy so that's nice!
i never said i thought none would buy it, but i don't believe we'll see the "flocking" people are expecting. How many hours do you suggest it takes to be done with Monster Hunter? And how much overlap is there with the 3G -coupled- with an effective reset of your game clock? Again - for MH4 - i see it. Totally. And i agree. But for Mh3G i -don't- see it.
The Wii comments were dredging up other peoples previous reasoning - that part was supposed to be rediculous
Again - i don't expect a MH Vita game - i expect a MH PSP game, with a possible "HD" or "Vita controls supported!" first. I expect Capcom to avoid spending on an upgrade at all possible costs!
madmaxx350
Member
i'm perfectly clear about this - i'd prefer either MH4 at this point (3DS or PSP/PSV) but for MH3(rd)G , yes, i would have prefered it stayed on PSP so i could upgrade and continue the XXX hours i've put into 3rd already and see the new subspecies and monsters.
I don't think there's anything particularly fanboyish about that.
i never said i thought none would buy it, but i don't believe we'll see the "flocking" people are expecting. How many hours do you suggest it takes to be done with Monster Hunter? And how much overlap is there with the 3G -coupled- with an effective reset of your game clock? Again - for MH4 - i see it. Totally. And i agree. But for Mh3G i -don't- see it.
The Wii comments were dredging up other peoples previous reasoning - that part was supposed to be rediculous
Again - i don't expect a MH Vita game - i expect a MH PSP game, with a possible "HD" or "Vita controls supported!" first. I expect Capcom to avoid spending on an upgrade at all possible costs!
I'd actually rather a P3rd for the west, I'll be happy with just that
thehypocrite
Member
But GTA was also released on XBOX and PC, they were just timed exclusives.
madmaxx350
Member
but that made a huge difference, how did those version do?
Jokes aren't funny when you have to explain them.
I guess dude from the other thread was right. DCCharlie's tag is "Always bet on white", regular 3DS games come in white cases. The only exception? Monster Hunter TriG, which comes in a black case.
Final Fantasy VII helped a ton the PSone and to establish Sony into the game market; even more considering that the previous 6+ games were exclusive to the other company (Nintendo). It also was used as "ammo" into the "well CD + movies vs carts fights" by fans and developers.
GTAIII propelled the sales of the PS2 (though mostly in the US and Europe) and it started the wave of similar "open world games".
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
and Dead Or Alive (JPN), Splinter Cell and a few others
OH and Mario 3D (Blue) and Mario Kart (Red)
My OCD outbursts on how this RUINS ARGGH the collection of 3DS games was somewhat shameful :/
Also - Cero C rated games warrants a black case?! For reals?!?! Good lord.
Send it a wreath. Send it two.
madmaxx350
Member
Jokes aren't funny when you have to explain them.
DCCharlie's tag is "Always bet on white", regular 3DS games come in white cases. The only exception? Monster Hunter TriG, which comes in a black case.
I don't know why, but i find this comment funny. Especially reading it with a somewhat loss-of-all-hope-takao-voice. Btw what is the reasoning behind P3rd not releasing in the west again?
Infinite Justice
Member
Jokes aren't funny when you have to explain them.
DCCharlie's tag is "Always bet on white", regular 3DS games come in white cases. The only exception? Monster Hunter TriG, which comes in a black case.
If your explaining it to me i already knew that and my response was basically that the PSP and Vita come in black as well so he should be against them also.
Oh well joke failure on my part.
and Dead Or Alive (JPN), Splinter Cell and a few others
OH and Mario 3D (Blue) and Mario Kart (Red)
My OCD outbursts on how this RUINS ARGGH the collection of 3DS games was somewhat shameful :/
Darn NOA, my Mario 3D Land, and Mario Kart boxes are white.
That´s the reason I called Final Fantasy an exception, because it is the only major franchise not announced for 3DS but Vita, atleast it already got a FFX multi-plat port announced but it has to share it with PS3 diminishing a bit of its pull. But seeing how SQEX is pushing the 3DS with some major support (KH3DS,DQM etc.) and already even has some FF-spinoffs in the pipeline it´s probably only a matter of time before a more "serious" FF title will be announced for Nintendos handheld, especially if they consider that FF3 for 3DS is still their most successful FF game on handhelds in Japan and 3DS is doing some big numbers at the moment.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
PSP: dead
PS3: Sony won't approve it
I actually think the serious effort FF games will remain on Vita. There were a tonne of good selling DS FF titles, but the most memorable ones were on PSP.
I think SE having 2 Vita games ready for launch (even if they aren't internal) is a decent sign of support given they were MIA for ages on PSP.
They're also outsourced, and one is essentially a PSP game.
I also think the performance of the Vita in Western markets is going to have a large bearing on where FF games go. I doubt anyone at SE wants the headaches of dealing with another PSP situation.
madmaxx350
Member
But PSN is still a viable source of income right ? I mean what' stopping them from releasing it on there. T__T ah, Crapcom.
This is true, but it's a sign of support none the less.
Father_Brain
Banned
Of support, yes. Of support comparable to what they gave PSP, not yet.
Should throw in Freedom Unite then...
Well, at this point in time for PSP they only had a vague "Final Fantasy VII Action RPG" announced, hah. That said, Crisis Core is a bigger game than anything they've announced for Vita thus far.
You would think... stupid policy nonetheless.
Father_Brain
Banned
As is KH3D. I suppose we'll see what they do or don't announce over the next year or so.
You know, i hope they DO this. Would love MHP2ndG HD.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Capcom USA implied they'd also have to add trophies and rework the networking (since it uses the newest version of ad-hoc party, which SCEA/SCEE don't support) to get product approval.
They also had Advent Children on UMD announced iirc.