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Media Create Sales: Week 48, 2011 (Nov 28 - Dec 04)
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lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Fixed. Maybe.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
I know, it seems too much even for him. I like the kid, I think he's funny. I also think he's probably doing these shenanigans on purpose now, nobody who spends this much time on a gaming forum talking sales and following game news with such dedication can honestly say out loud, or even begin to think, something that stupid. Not crazy, just fucking stupid. He probably enjoys the fallout.
ONE LEFT!
crimsonheadGCN
Banned
Yes, that is from the banned site by ioi.
electroplankton
Banned
Your sarcasm detector needs to be fixed ASAP.
What a disgraceful way to end one of Japan's longest-running series. SMH.
Hudson Soft's saga is one of the saddest in gaming.
Mr. Pointy
Member
I think Tomodachi Collection 3DS has the potential to do a lot better than the DS version because of Mii creation being on the system and the extra online and AR features.
This and Animal Crossing should really benefit from Street Pass.
How many more of these classic series have to die... and die a disgraceful way too. Sad day...
At over twice the retail price, no less.
AceBandage
Banned
Ouch.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Japanese auction of choice is Yahoo, Ebay not so much
http://ord.yahoo.co.jp/o/auction/SI...e5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e117467254
here you go, white Limited Edition 3DS with 3 mins to go - 22,000 yen at the moment.
AAAnnnd now finished: final price of 22,500 yen.
Infact -
http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=3G&auccat=0&tab_ex=commerce&ei=euc-jp
there's a load of auctions going on - and the Limiteds are hitting 22,500 yen. Lot of copies of the game on there as well.
So... erm...
http://ord.yahoo.co.jp/o/auction/SI...e5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e117467254
here you go, white Limited Edition 3DS with 3 mins to go - 22,000 yen at the moment.
AAAnnnd now finished: final price of 22,500 yen.
Infact -
http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=3G&auccat=0&tab_ex=commerce&ei=euc-jp
there's a load of auctions going on - and the Limiteds are hitting 22,500 yen. Lot of copies of the game on there as well.
So... erm...
22500yen is cheap. Good to be in Japan.
You played them? Tempest I knew had bad reception and it also wasn't a mothership title. Innocence I thought looked pretty good when I saw it on the Nintendo Channel, didn't knew it was considered mediocre. It's getting a PS3 remake now too. Hearts was more 2d like, each of them was by a different team and they still all sold about the same. I'm still not buying into the salted ground explanation.
I was arguing price of medium and new IP myself, emphasizing it even, so no need to repeat it. Still Arc the Lad was using similar sprite aesthetics and succeeded as a new IP, so price should be more important than the skits and anime sequences.
Yet GC Symphonia remains the most successful Tales game outside of stationary Sony console Tales. What really salted any non-Sony Tales release is the fact that all major polygonal mothership releases got definite versions on some Playstation. Symphonia PS2 beat the GC sales and combined the game sold close to Destiny. Vesperia, Graces and now Innocence all went to PS3. This tells Sony fans that there's really no need to switch platforms. The ones who do (to GC, 360, DS and Wii, if only temporarily) decrease in numbers.
You attack a lot of points I never argued. The ones you cite as real reasons I did argue though. Maybe you're addressing your arguments to the wrong person. The fact remains that Playstation and Tales success go hand in hand and that Sony fans who wait out the other platform releases get their superior versions in the end.
I can see Tales succeeding on another platform than a Sony one. If Sony were to be completely crushed that is. As long as Playstation will sell any other system will have trouble winning over the Tales crowd.
Okay, DQ remakes did also sell well, as they do everywhere. FF did worse than on late SNES even, more in line with NES and early SNES sales. Sure they're remakes (a first for the series too, not much in way of decent comparison) and Crystal Chronicle games but the fact remains they sold less and less with each release. Atlus games sold less than on PS1/2, more like on SNES. Tales sold much less, N1 sold less, new IPs sold less than on PS1, anything sold less than on PS1/2.
Yeah, Square was the only one to contribute to the around million selling RPG IPs on SNES which I was referring to. This changed on CD consoles.
Suikoden did worse than I thought. But anyway, Tales and Star Ocean are the main games I was referring to. Atlus also increased on PS1 and 2. Decreased again on DS.
For early sales numbers from before PS1 I can recommend Japanese Wikipedia btw.
charlequin
Banned
You can ask around. Tempest was a complete abortion, the whole game was about 7 hours long with awful gameplay. Innocence was at least a full game but the general response has been pretty negative overall (and it was outsourced.) Hearts was widely received positively and got good reviews; it has noticeably higher production values and was actually developed by members of Tales Studio.
Regardless, the quality of Innocence is up for a good amount of debate but Tempest really isn't. It is probably one of the worst products that's ever been put out ostensibly as a main entry in a high-budget, high-profile franchise.
Based on... what? Do you believe it isn't generally true that games perform worse as a result of how their predecessors were received? (In that case, your presumptions are just wrong.) Or do you believe that Tales is unusually resilient against this effect, even though Tempest is an almost unprecedentedly bad "effort"? (In that case, I think you need to spell out your argument a little better than just "I don't buy it.")
This is an awful comparison. It's on a different platform, at a completely different time in that platform's life (i.e. at the start of a generation, when new IP has always been the most successful); it was a first-party title on a new system that was aggressively seeking to win marketshare (with the attendant marketing benefits that implies); it included technological advances (like orchestral music and video sequences) that were still huge selling points at the time of its release.
Like, seriously, this comparison is so bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
Your intense unwillingness to compare apples to apples here is irksome. The DS is quite straightforwardly the best performer for RPGs in Japan (12 RPGs above 1m LTD, another 8 above 500,000) amongst its class (DS/PSP/PS3/360/Wii). Its software successes are unambiguous and your comparison poins on individual franchises are selectively chosen to prove your point -- saying DQ "does well everywhere" (even though it performed far better on DS overall than it did on PS2) then turning around and citing minor 50k wobbles in minor franchise performance as proof positive of Playstation superiority.
twentytwo22
Member
MH3G was sold out at Tsutaya in Namba with a sign saying they didn't know when they were getting more. Every other store had stock of the regular edition of the game.
Currently pulling a 3.5/5 on Amazon, in line with Tri. 3rd Portable holds a 4.0, 2nd G a 4.0, and 2nd a 4.5.
Currently pulling a 3.5/5 on Amazon, in line with Tri. 3rd Portable holds a 4.0, 2nd G a 4.0, and 2nd a 4.5.
Just curious, can you list the non-Nintendo, non-remake ones? DS gets called the new PS2 a lot but I feel like it really dropped the ball when it came to successful new RPGs this generation, but maybe I'm overestimating the number of remakes and Pokemon games. Just kinda feels like a super remake and port-heavy generation, with the PSP being the number 1 offender (maybe of all time?)
the DS was THE rpg system just based on Etrian Odyssey, from atlus, all-new for the system with 2 sequels. Phenomenal series.
SE produced a lot of RPGs with mixed results but support was WAY bigger than for any of the current big consoles.
We're talking about sales here.
Ones above 250k that are non-Nintendo non-remake though I probably missed some
Edit::
I thought Inazuma Eleven was on decline in Japan, or was it just Layton?
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Was in stock in local tsutaya last night still - but i suspect the reason is that it's because of the price (Tsutaya being notoriously poor with discounts) - might be because it's a smaller chain (pretty much f
Went to Aki at lunch - again, still stock available. Some places that had no stock yesterday have some today (Medialand) - perhaps time limit on preorders or a small stock find or something?
DQIX, 2 DQM, 2 Inazuma, MM Star Force, Ni No Kuni, KH179D, FFXII:RW are >500k
If you don't count The Ogre, Inazuma Eleven is in decline.
I'm not familiar with the series. Is Ogre a dual release like Fire/Blizzard, or was it an expansion for the original game I.E. DQMJ 2: professional?
Expansion.
Edit: Though looking at it, you didn't list The Ogre... I doubt 1 version of Inazuma 3 sold 900k...
Awesome thanks. 9 seems super low for an entire generation, definitely not even close to past ones. I mean, even the PS3 is gonna have more than 9 by the end, right? Especially if you count Yakuza. Just seems weird.
mugurumakensei
Member
yakuza isnt an rpg.
I see it now, haha. There was no backslash between Spark and Bomber.
2009-10-01- Fire/Blizzard (When the series really boomed)
2010-07-01 -- Bomber/Spark >> 9 Months after previous
2010-12-16 -- Ogre >> 5 months after previous
I easily see it being the release of the expansion that killed Bomber/Spark rather than decline in the series.
Ogre is on there, it was just misspelled in garaph.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
If you count the Uncharteds there's three more as well!
Whatever bro, RANDOM BATTLES and EXPERIENCE and PRE-RENDERED BACKGROUNDS, gotta love it.
Anyways I went to garaph for the first time and it was pretty useful, seems like there's way less 500K+ on PS2 than I assumed, kinda making me wonder about PSX too now.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
And here we go! What a beast! Sold out everywhere in less than 2 days! That's a real system seller if I ever did see one!
How does it compare with the DS' Mario Kart DS bump?
Very front-loaded. Clearly it won't sell much more than 300K units in the coming weeks.
As for 3DS hardware sales ...
*It prints 3D money*