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When the digital sales start hitting impressive enough numbers to really make a difference, we wont need to speculate, trust me. Sony and the developer/publishers will make it known.

I think it depends on what "impressive" is. From what i know, we very rarely get DD sales numbers across the board (not just regarding PS Store). But i'm sure that many games still sell great on DD (this is not an arguement about PS Vita DD sales).

 

[Datschge]

I think based on the info we have I think it:s far more ridiculous to assume that [they aren`t even a statistical blip]

Without reliable numbers it just can't be part of the usual sales age discussion so it's factually non-existing to said discussion. You can start an own thread about it though.

Edit: caught you editing your post.

 

[Spiegel]

A "real" XV is a game that's designed from the ground up to be a mainline Final Fantasy, with consideration of the features and depth expected in such an entry, the amount of visual pizazz expected, and sufficient hewing to the genre conventions of the series to play to expectations. (Arguably the entire problem with XIII is that people don't feel like it met all of these conditions.)

Versus obviously doesn't meet the first and its gameplay is very straightforwardly not what the gameplay of "Final Fantasy" as a series is -- it's not even the same genre of game.

(But also, on top of that, a "real XV" would be a game created and announced after the whole FNCF, with full knowledge of where SE started going wrong by their fans, rather than a repackaged effort conceptualized right in the heart of that whole disaster.)

Versus was announced like this

The concept and thinking behind Versus would not be possible in a standard numbered Final Fantasy title, Nomura responded. However, Kitase jumped in, assuring that Versus is not just a side-story, as it has some of what makes a numbered FF game what it is. However, he added, "With Versus, we are trying out a type of adventure that we couldn't do in the numbered series."

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/710/710761p2.html

Maybe that's what they need right now. We have seen so little about Versus that I don't think renaming it to FFXV would be a bad option. They could've even changed the battle system to make it closer to "mainline" battle systems

And talking about FFXIII-2, perhaps S-E shouldn't have released two full-priced (7700-7900Y), not mainline but bigger scale than typical spinoff FF games less than two months apart.

 

[charlequin]

Maybe that's what they need right now. We have seen so little about Versus that I don't think renaming it to FFXV would be a bad option. They could've even changed the battle system to make it closer to "mainline" battle systems

Well, putting aside my expectation that Versus will come out as half-baked as the last three numbered FFs... that quote also specifically says "this is game we couldn't do as a numbered entry." If those differences are good, I don't think it'd help their cause to shoehorn traditional mechanics in their place. (And if they're not good, the game itself probably shouldn't be made any more prominent in the first place.)

I'm actually pro-renaming the game, but it'd be much more sensible to follow the Agito -> Type-0 route there. Call it Final Fantasy REQUIEM or something, don't rework it to be more traditional, sell it as a standalone game, and then find out how people respond to it disconnected from both the expectations of the mainline series and the millstone that is the XIII branding.

 

[Boney]

And to expand on my point here -- has any other videogame series ever announced a spinoff game and then retroactively upgraded it to "main series"/numbered status with a pre-release rename/rebrand? I couldn't think of a single example.

Wasn't Final Fantasy IX like this? Perhaps it wasn't announced to the public as a spinoff though.

 

[gkryhewy]

You're way off base here.

I am sorry to disappoint you. My read is that they achieved decent (mediocre) sales, half those of their most substitutable competitor, and it took an aggressive BF bundle. This may have been a surprise on the upside relative to disastrous expectations, but it's nothing to remember fondly. It's also somewhat likely that PS3 will be the only console to experience M-O-M declines for December, since they've stubbornly avoided any meaningful discounting this month, and have not restocked the BF bundle. Anyway, that's a topic for next month's NPD thread rather than this month's MC thread.

 

[faridmon]

I've been in Europe where FFXIII sold 2 ml copies, and I've noticed in NA it selling other 2 ml copied (shipped or not, we're close to that). I've seen also a spin off like Dissidia on a dead console managing to do great sales in both territories, and it was called Final Fantasy. I've seen also mediocre games like DAII surviving. The point is: we (westerns) buy everything, thus how can a Final Fantasy flop so hard here too?

Btw, as a super fanboy I'm actually concerned lol. Especially because I love the new Final Fantasy (XII, XIII and so on) and the direction they're taking with the series. God, it'll be so bad if it really bombs T.T

Every Japanese Square Enix games (FF games or not) that was released this year and the second half of last year bombed real hard. Dissidia 012 and FF IV bombed so hard to a degree that SE is considering not to bring Type-0 to EU and NA.

I can see FF XIII-2 bombing real hard.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

OK i will ask this again. Is there any way for us to know how much accessories sold?

 

[Regulus Tera]

The problem here is inherent in the fact that doing that is a statement that Square-Enix can't even produce a real Final Fantasy XV.

What is a real FFXV though? XIII already had very little in common gameplay wise to the most popular entries in the franchise.

A "real" XV is a game that's designed from the ground up to be a mainline Final Fantasy, with consideration of the features and depth expected in such an entry, the amount of visual pizazz expected, and sufficient hewing to the genre conventions of the series to play to expectations. (Arguably the entire problem with XIII is that people don't feel like it met all of these conditions.)

Versus obviously doesn't meet the first and its gameplay is very straightforwardly not what the gameplay of "Final Fantasy" as a series is -- it's not even the same genre of game.

(But also, on top of that, a "real XV" would be a game created and announced after the whole FNCF, with full knowledge of where SE started going wrong by their fans, rather than a repackaged effort conceptualized right in the heart of that whole disaster.)

Okay I can buy that.

62% of shipment? Ouch...

It sounds like Used Copy Christmas is gonna be early this year!

 

[Stumpokapow]

Wasn't Final Fantasy IX like this? Perhaps it wasn't announced to the public as a spinoff though.

9 and 10 were announced simultaneously (10 at the time had the PlayOnline crap all up in its grill) and IIRC the tone of the announcement was something like Final Fantasy IX is the summation of the classic Final Fantasy series, while Final Fantasy X is the FUTURE OF FINAL FANTASY!!!

 

[braves01]

edit: whoops, saw retroactively. and i was so excited to think of one too

 

[freddy]

OK i will ask this again. Is there any way for us to know how much accessories sold?

Depending which accessory your best bet is searching Google for PR releases but that may be hard if you have a language barrier.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Depending which accessory your best bet is searching Google for PR releases but that may be hard if you have a language barrier.

Ok, thanks.

 

[freddy]

Yea I just read your question. Best bet is that Sony will release a PR down the road including the number.

 

[Nirolak]

And to expand on my point here -- has any other videogame series ever announced a spinoff game and then retroactively upgraded it to "main series"/numbered status with a pre-release rename/rebrand? I couldn't think of a single example.

The closest thing that comes to mind immediately is Assassin's Creed 3DS being turned into Assassin's Creed: Revelations.

I'll think on this a bit more though, since I think it's an interesting general question.

 

[heringer]

I don't think so, I can see we will never get the sale data for DD services from trackers in any future.

Oh, I meant that the scenario he's afraid of is coming.

 

[thestopsign]

I feel like if DD sales become the majority, we might start getting statistics from them on a more regular basis. That could just be wishful thinking though.

 

[Chris1964]

Famitsu Sales: Week 50, 2011 (Dec 05 - Dec 11)

01./00. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3G # <ACT> (Capcom) {2011.12.10} (¥5.800) - 471.055 / NEW
02./01. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800) - 182.566 / 634.498 (-60%)
03./03. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.800) - 101.223 / 713.280 (+46%)
04./00. [PS3] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim <RPG> (Bethesda Softworks) {2011.12.08} (¥7.980) - 70.508 / NEW
05./02. [PS3] Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Vs. <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.12.01} (¥8.380) - 50.197 / 395.250 (-85%)
06./00. [PS3] Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Tenkaichi <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.12.08} (¥7.330) - 44.507 / NEW
07./12. [WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.10.27} (¥5.800) - 36.609 / 301.632 (+114%)
08./00. [NDS] Magician's Quest: Oshare na Mahou Tsukai <ETC> (Konami) {2011.12.10} (¥4.980) - 35.522 / NEW
09./00. [PSP] Toaru Kagaku no Chou Denjihou # <ADV> (ASCII Media Works) {2011.12.08} (¥6.279) - 32.047 / NEW
10./17. [WII] Just Dance Wii <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.10.13} (¥5.800) - 29.369 / 269.895 (+100%)
11./14. [WII] Wii Party <ETC> (Nintendo) {2010.07.08} (¥4.800) - 29.281 / 2.012.067 (+85%)
12./00. [360] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim <RPG> (Bethesda Softworks) {2011.12.08} (¥7.980) - 28.328 / NEW
13./00. [NDS] Metal Max 2: Reloaded # <RPG> (Enterbrain) {2011.12.08} (¥6.090) - 27.115 / NEW
14./22. [WII] PokePark 2: Beyond the World <ADV> (Pokemon Co.) {2011.11.12} (¥5.800) - 25.885 / 99.085 (+121%)
15./15. [WII] Wii Sports Resort <SPT> (Nintendo) {2009.06.25} (¥4.800) - 24.647 / 2.652.029 (+57%)
16./00. [WII] Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games <SPT> (Nintendo) {2011.12.08} (¥5.800) - 24.330 / NEW
17./06. [WII] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2011.11.23} (¥6.800) - 17.012 / 245.273 (-49%)
18./05. [WII] Itadaki Street Wii <TBL> (Square Enix) {2011.12.01} (¥6.090) - 16.617 / 52.428 (-54%)
19./21. [WII] Taiko Drum Master Wii: Definitive Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.11.23} (¥5.040) - 16.027 / 54.192 (+25%)
20./13. [NDS] One Piece: Gigant Battle 2 - New World # <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.11.17} (¥5.230) - 15.755 / 167.394 (-6%)
21./26. [WII] Mario Kart Wii <RCE> (Nintendo) {2008.04.10} (¥5.800) - 15.490 / 3.313.669 (+95%)
22./00. [PSP] Hanayaka Kana, Ware ga Ichizoku: Kinema Mosaic # <ADV> (Idea Factory) {2011.12.08} (¥6.090) - 13.899 / NEW
23./16. [PSP] Little Battlers eXperience: Boost <RPG> (Level 5) {2011.11.23} (¥4.980) - 13.396 / 88.321 (-13%)
24./30. [WII] Rhythm Heaven: Fever <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.07.21} (¥5.800) - 11.544 / 575.668 (+83%)
25./27. [WII] Go Vacation <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.10.20} (¥5.800) - 11.401 / 120.732 (+58%)
26./29. [3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: French Bulldog / Shiba / Toy Poodle & New Friends <ETC> (Nintendo) {2011.02.26} (¥4.800) - 10.930 / 389.028 (+64%)
27./10. [PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 # <RPG> (Sega) {2011.11.23} (¥6.279) - 10.659 / 143.958 (-46%)
28./07. [WII] Kamen Rider: Climax Heroes Fourze <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.12.01} (¥6.280) - 10.100 / 31.836 (-54%)
29./08. [NDS] Power Pro Kun Pocket 14 <SLG> (Konami) {2011.12.01} (¥5.250) - 8.746 / 30.435 (-60%)
30./00. [PS3] Need for Speed: The Run <RCE> (Electronic Arts) {2011.12.08} (¥7.665) - 8.694 / NEW

Top 30

WII - 13
3DS - 4
NDS - 4
PS3 - 4
PSP - 4
360 - 1

SOFTWARE

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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |
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|  3DS  |      43,9% |      34,9% |       0,0% |
|  WII  |      17,3% |      14,1% |      25,0% |
|  PS3  |      16,1% |      33,1% |       9,3% |
|  NDS  |       9,9% |       6,3% |      30,6% |
|  PSP  |       9,9% |       9,6% |      32,5% |
|  360  |       2,8% |       1,8% |       2,2% |
|  OTH  |       0,1% |       0,2% |       0,1% |
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HARDWARE

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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  3DS  |    378.114 |    216.350 |            |  3.237.272 |            |   3.237.272 |
|  WII  |     48.275 |     28.164 |     76.885 |    782.729 |  1.485.815 |  12.013.021 |
| PSP # |     47.238 |     31.560 |    141.820 |  1.795.015 |  2.571.570 |  18.071.946 |
|  PS3  |     43.518 |     40.051 |     41.790 |  1.333.300 |  1.450.906 |   7.283.187 |
|  360  |      3.317 |      1.239 |      3.853 |    107.640 |    198.760 |   1.514.303 |
| NDS # |      2.430 |      1.845 |    106.633 |    702.692 |  2.600.114 |  32.826.990 |
|  PS2  |        926 |        778 |      1.676 |     56.315 |     88.403 |  21.952.226 |
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|  ALL  |    523.818 |    319.987 |    372.657 |  8.014.963 |  8.395.568 |  96.898.945 |
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|  DSi  |      2.430 |      1.845 |    104.636 |    676.794 |  2.385.378 |   8.237.667 |
|  PSP  |     47.238 |     31.560 |    140.606 |  1.774.892 |  2.510.147 |  17.911.371 |
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Famitsu Sales: Nov 2011 (Oct 31 - Nov 27)

01./00. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.800) - 542.842 / NEW
02./00. [PSP] Hatsune Miku: Project Diva Extend <ACT> (Sega) {2011.11.10} (¥5.299) - 234.627 / NEW
03./00. [PS3] Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2011.11.17} (¥7.980) - 227.219 / NEW
04./00. [WII] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2011.11.23} (¥6.800) - 194.894 / NEW
05./01. [PSP] Final Fantasy Type-0 <RPG> (Square Enix) {2011.10.27} (¥7.770) - 172.756 / 676.144 (-66%)
06./00. [PS3] Battlefield 3 <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2011.11.02} (¥7.665) - 157.484 / NEW
07./00. [PS3] Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception # <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2011.11.02} (¥5.980) - 153.363 / NEW
08./00. [PS3] Sengoku Basara 3: Utage <ACT> (Capcom) {2011.11.10} (¥5.800) - 138.610 / NEW
09./00. [NDS] One Piece: Gigant Battle 2 - New World # <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.11.17} (¥5.230) - 134.943 / NEW
10./00. [PSP] Ore no Shikabane wo Koete Yuke # <RPG> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2011.11.10} (¥4.980) - 114.548 / NEW
11./00. [PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 # <RPG> (Sega) {2011.11.23} (¥6.279) - 113.568 / NEW
12./07. [WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.10.27} (¥5.800) - 103.810 / 247.931 (-28%)
13./00. [PS3] Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch # <RPG> (Level 5) {2011.11.17} (¥8.800) - 89.446 / NEW
14./00. [3DS] Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime 3 <ACT> (Square Enix) {2011.11.02} (¥6.090) - 71.416 / NEW
15./00. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2012 <SPT> (Konami) {2011.11.03} (¥4.980) - 70.673 / NEW
16./00. [PS3] Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker HD Edition # <ADV> (Konami) {2011.11.10} (¥4.980) - 62.980 / NEW
17./00. [WII] PokePark 2: Beyond the World <ADV> (Pokemon Co.) {2011.11.12} (¥5.800) - 61.499 / NEW
18./05. [WII] Just Dance Wii <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.10.13} (¥5.800) - 59.892 / 225.878 (-64%)
19./00. [PSP] Little Battlers eXperience: Boost <RPG> (Level 5) {2011.11.23} (¥4.980) - 59.448 / NEW
20./00. [PS3] Metal Gear Solid HD Edition # <ADV> (Konami) {2011.11.23} (¥5.480) - 58.864 / NEW
00./00. [NDS] Kirby Mass Attack <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.08.04} (¥3.800) - 17.519 / 262.916 (-47%)
00./00. [NDS] Tamagotchi Collection <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.11.10} (¥5.040) - 12.822 / NEW
00./00. [NDS] Pokemon Black / White <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2010.09.18} (¥4.800) - 12.467 / 5.341.395 (-37%)
00./00. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. <ACT> (Nintendo) {2006.05.25} (¥4.800) - 12.320 / 6.220.442 (-8%)
00./00. [NDS] Ore-Sama Kingdom: Koi no Manga mo Debut o Mokushise! Doki Doki Love Lesson <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.11.23} (¥5.040) - 10.382 / NEW
00./00. [NDS] Mario Kart DS <RCE> (Nintendo) {2005.12.08} (¥4.800) - 9.267 / 3.847.161 (-14%)
00./00. [NDS] Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger: Atsumete Henshin! 35 Sentai! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.11.17} (¥5.040) - 8.706 / NEW
00./00. [NDS] MapleStory DS <RPG> (Nexon) {2011.11.17} (¥3.990) - 8.508 / NEW
00./00. [NDS] Battle & Get! Pokemon Typing DS <ACT> (Pokemon Co.) {2011.04.21} (¥5.800) - 5.925 / 178.484 (-17%)

Top 20

PS3 - 7
PSP - 6
WII - 4
3DS - 2
NDS - 1

HARDWARE

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|System | This Month | Last Month | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
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|  3DS  |    416.538 |    304.469 |            |  2.642.808 |            |   2.642.808 |
|  PS3  |    118.643 |    132.602 |    123.748 |  1.249.731 |  1.371.365 |   7.199.618 |
| PSP # |    117.456 |    131.804 |    236.775 |  1.716.217 |  2.101.845 |  17.993.148 |
|  WII  |     50.942 |     58.888 |    109.660 |    706.290 |  1.355.677 |  11.936.582 |
| NDS # |      6.297 |     10.724 |    147.016 |    698.417 |  2.420.180 |  32.822.715 |
|  360  |      5.807 |      8.098 |     14.337 |    103.084 |    191.092 |   1.509.747 |
|  PS2  |      2.701 |      3.827 |      5.192 |     54.611 |     85.113 |  21.950.522 |
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|  ALL  |    718.384 |    650.412 |    636.728 |  7.171.158 |  7.525.272 |  96.055.140 |
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|  DSi  |      7.278 |     10.724 |    138.674 |    672.519 |  2.208.892 |   8.233.392 |
|  PSP  |    117.456 |    131.804 |    231.773 |  1.696.094 |  2.042.902 |  17.832.573 |
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Black White outsold Ruby Sapphire last month (5.337.045)

 

[jump_button]

oh wow Vita couldn't over 3DS on its launch week? and I know ff would sell bad but not in japan

 

[Mpl90]

Cannot wait for your stores impressions report, Chris.

P.S.

31./22. [PSP] Little Battlers eXperience: Boost <RPG> (Level 5) {2011.11.23} (¥4.980)
32./18. [WII] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2011.11.23} (¥6.800)

...Again? Just like this summer?

 

[luca1980]

Also FFXIII-2

It seems to me a ton of hardcore gamers were burned seeing the 13 go down in price by 5000 yen in two months, lots of *I want to buy it and play it* but will wait for the bargain bin

Finally!!! Where is wada's head rolling for allowing such a bomba and a failure for ff?????

Maybe ffxv'll come faster and i'll be able to see a proper itou ff

 

[Mpl90]

Sony Computer Entertainment Japan CEO Hiroshi Kawano spoke briefly about PlayStation Vita sales during a press conference for Gung Ho Entertainment's Ragnarok Odyssey yesterday (see Famitsu.com's report here).

Kawano described the system's first week sales of 321,407 units as "a figure in accordance with expectations." However, he added, "Games and peripherals are selling extremely well. Sales of the download versions of titles are exceeding expectations."

Media Create yesterday reported that Sony and its third parties had sold around 300,000 units of software over the first two days of the system's launch. This equalled a 0.92 attach rate (0.92 games per system sold) which is lower than the launch attach rates for 3DS and PSP. However, Media Create's sales figures do not take download sales into account.

http://andriasang.com/comzh4/kawano_on_vita_sales/

 

[FINALFANTASYDOG]

Without reliable numbers it just can't be part of the usual sales age discussion so it's factually non-existing to said discussion. You can start an own thread about it though.

Edit: caught you editing your post.

Something incredibly obvious I was missing; Media create themselves do this Fluffy discussion in this week`s analysis, they say that based on DD sales the tie ratio is probably similar to past launches.

This is the media create thread, if the media create weekly report is talking about dd sales, makes sense to discuss it here.

 

[Jinfash]

Well this is no fun. I'd like to see those numbers that beat their modest expectations.

 

[jman2050]

Something incredibly obvious I was missing; Media create themselves do this Fluffy discussion in this week`s analysis, they say that based on DD sales the tie ratio is probably similar to past launches.

This is the media create thread, if the media create weekly report is talking about dd sales, makes sense to discuss it here.

What's there to talk about? "Games are available online. Some undisclosed number of people are buying games from there."

What else?

 

[jcm]

I am sorry to disappoint you. My read is that they achieved decent (mediocre) sales, half those of their most substitutable competitor, and it took an aggressive BF bundle. This may have been a surprise on the upside relative to disastrous expectations, but it's nothing to remember fondly. It's also somewhat likely that PS3 will be the only console to experience M-O-M declines for December, since they've stubbornly avoided any meaningful discounting this month, and have not restocked the BF bundle. Anyway, that's a topic for next month's NPD thread rather than this month's MC thread.

You think the PS3 is going to sell < 900K in December NPD? That's absolutely crazy.

 

[Chris1964]

If an extreme hw scenario becomes reality next week we will laugh for years.

It looks Orochi 2 suffers from Musou saturation

 

[Mpl90]

If an extreme hw scenario becomes reality next week we will laugh for years.

It looks Orochi 2 suffers from Musou saturation

Nothing about SD Gundam? Or Inazuma?

What's this extreme hw scenario you are talking about?

 

[cw_sasuke]

If an extreme hw scenario becomes reality next week we will laugh for years.

It looks Orochi 2 suffers from Musou saturation

Which scenario ? 3DS outselling all other plattforms combined ?

 

[FoneBone]

The closest thing that comes to mind immediately is Assassin's Creed 3DS being turned into Assassin's Creed: Revelations.

Even that's more some story ideas being carried over, rather than Revelations actually being the same game per se.

 

[Mpl90]

Which scenario ? 3DS outselling all other plattforms combined ?

That has already happened last weeks...especially the one before this.
The only really extreme scenario would be...

...Outselling x2 all the other consoles.
If he's talking about this.

 

[jman2050]

The only extreme hw scenario I can think of is outselling DS's week 51

 

[Mpl90]

The only extreme hw scenario I can think of is outselling DS's week 51

No, there's something even more extreme, in that sense.
Outselling PS2's first week, 630k.

 

[Kenka]

Damn mpl, don't get my hopes high.

 

[Nirolak]

Even that's more some story ideas being carried over, rather than Revelations actually being the same game per se.

Hmm, how about Lords of Shadow -> Castlevania: Lords of Shadow?

 

[spwolf]

I am sorry to disappoint you. My read is that they achieved decent (mediocre) sales, half those of their most substitutable competitor, and it took an aggressive BF bundle. This may have been a surprise on the upside relative to disastrous expectations, but it's nothing to remember fondly. It's also somewhat likely that PS3 will be the only console to experience M-O-M declines for December, since they've stubbornly avoided any meaningful discounting this month, and have not restocked the BF bundle. Anyway, that's a topic for next month's NPD thread rather than this month's MC thread.

did sony kill your dog or something?

 

[Mpl90]

Damn mpl, don't get my hopes high.

We need Chris explaining what he meant with extreme scenario.

 

[Dalthien]

Famitsu had a feature on Nintendo's potential holiday performance

3DS Hardware Predictions
There are also 3 people making predictions for 3DS hardware sales in November-December. One guy from SMBC Nikko Securities thinks that 3DS can potentially sell 2.0-2.5 million in 2 months. Expects Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 7 and MH3G to perform strongly. Zelda SS and Just Dance Wii will be the Wii's big titles to pay attention to.

Someone from Bic Camera in Yurakucho (Tokyo) has more realistic predictions of around 1 million and expects MH3G to do very well because of the big sales of the PSP games and the fact that Tri G preorders have exceeded MH3 Wii pre-orders by quite a margin. Inazuma Eleven Go is also expected to do well.

Finally, a professor from Ritsumeikan University thinks 3DS hardware will sell around 1 million. The first 4 months of the system saw sales of 1.3 million. For systems like PSP, first year November sales usually rise by 1.3-1.6 times, while December ranges from 3.5 to 5.76 times the normal amount. That leaves 200K in November and 800K in December for 3DS (a rough estimate). He also expects the 2 Mario games, MH3G and Inazuma Eleven Go to surpass 500K each.

Actual sales so far (Media Create): Oct 31 - Dec 18 (2 more weeks still to go)

3DS - 1,390,346

It looks like the professor and the Bic Camera guy will both be off by more than a million units. Pretty horrendously bad predictions.

The SMBC Nikko guy looks like he was right on though!

 

[GameplayWhore]

Cannot wait for your stores impressions report, Chris.

The only thing missing from The Revenge of Sales-Age, I think, is Vinnk's triumphant return. He teased a month or two back, but I haven't heard anything since. Did I miss any Village posts?

Spoiler

Also that Mario visual chart -- isn't 3D Land big enough now that we can start regularly seeing it?

 

[spwolf]

I feel like if DD sales become the majority, we might start getting statistics from them on a more regular basis. That could just be wishful thinking though.

that obviously wont happen for a long time... change takes time. i guess it was lucky for sony to try out PSPGo, or they could have made some really stupid decisions with Vita, based on all the smart analysts predicting how traditional physical media will die.

 

[Mariah Carey]

And to expand on my point here -- has any other videogame series ever announced a spinoff game and then retroactively upgraded it to "main series"/numbered status with a pre-release rename/rebrand? I couldn't think of a single example.

Resident Evil 3

 

[Mrbob]

I'm not suggesting DD is boosting Vita software sales, but I don't see why it is out of the norm to think DD might be taking up more focus. If I had a choice, I'd rather buy Vita games off of PSN than at retail. Of course it depends all upon pricing.

 

[cw_sasuke]

That has already happened last weeks...especially the one before this.
The only really extreme scenario would be...

...Outselling x2 all the other consoles.
If he's talking about this.

This was before the Vita release though. But lets just wait for Chris's response.

 

[stalker]

I searched for Gahiggidy, and i found this.

Craaaaaaaaaap :lol :lol :lol :lol

Google Gahiggidy on Google Images and you will find his true masterpiece.

 

[spwolf]

I'm not suggesting DD is boosting Vita software sales, but I don't see why it is out of the norm to think DD might be taking up more focus. If I had a choice, I'd rather buy Vita games off of PSN than at retail. Of course it depends all upon pricing.

sure.. it is probably not a lot more than 10% though, at least in Japan.

 

[Kenka]

Chris, you are leaving us hanging. Please tell us what are the impressions of the retailers, again.

 

[extralite]

The problem here is inherent in the fact that doing that is a statement that Square-Enix can't even produce a real Final Fantasy XV.

You understand that FFIX wasn't supposed to be a mainline FF at first either? They weren't even able to make a real FFIX! Although the decline started here...

 

[Perfo]

Every Japanese Square Enix games (FF games or not) that was released this year and the second half of last year bombed real hard. Dissidia 012 and FF IV bombed so hard to a degree that SE is considering not to bring Type-0 to EU and NA.

That's PSP fault and only PSP's one. To a degree that CAPCOM will not take Mh3rd here. In Japan though, both 012 and FF4 Compilation sold well considering the first is just an expansion and the second one the usual re-re-re-re-enhanced.

Type-0 is already confirmed for western release anyway. Probably not for PSP though, cause as I pointed out before you're doomed to fail if you produce on one. Guess what? Even if your not Final Fantasy!

 

[electroplankton]

No, there's something even more extreme, in that sense.
Outselling PS2's first week, 630k.

Vita > 3DS

 

[cw_sasuke]

Vita > 3DS

This isn't possible though ....