Well, we're in complete agreement about this. I was actually referring to March with respect to Lego City and the other games - but those schedules don't match up for Japan.
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Media Create Sales: Week 8, 2013 (Feb 18 - Feb 24)
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Well, we're in complete agreement about this. I was actually referring to March with respect to Lego City and the other games - but those schedules don't match up for Japan.
NeonZ
Member
Even if everything had followed their initial schedule, their only titles for this part of the year would have been Pikmin and WiiFit U. I don't think the state of the Wii U would have changed much with those two by themselves. In fact, it doesn't surprise me that Nintendo seems to be in no rush to get them out.
See, Nintendo had games they planned to release during these first few months. They just all got delayed.
I like the GamePad a lot, and I can think of a lot of uses that simply haven't been explored yet. I would've liked for it to have triggers (or at least the Pro Controller should've), but it's a good controller.But how long without a Wii release would they have gone? I don't think their shareholders would've liked an extra year of relying on just Wii/3DS/DS.
100% yes
Well, considering Road showed me the light in the last thread, saying to me "Please, wait for the brand new thread for doing that =P" too, it's that time again.
Comgnet comparisons! As of February, 27th
[PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 6 - 305+23(collector)=328pt
[PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 7 - 179pt
[PSP] Shining Blade - 457pt
[PSP] Shining Arc - 173pt
[NDS] Dragon Ball Origins - 64pt
[NDS] Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Sayans - 47pt
[PS3] Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 2 - 70pt
[PS3] Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Tenkaichi - 51pt
[3DS] Toriko Gourmet Monsters! - 89pt
[3DS] Magi: The Labyrinth of Beginning - 86pt
[3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission - 149pt
[PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 - 518pt
[PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 Infinity - 549pt
[PSP] Phantasy Star Online 2 - 105pt
[3DS] Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance - 152pt
[PS3] Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix - 96pt
[PS3] One Piece: Pirate Warriors - 252+37(collector)=289pt
[PS3] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 2 - 96pt
[NDS] Super Robot Wars W - 104pt
[NDS] Super Robot Wars K - 11pt
[NDS] Super Robot Wars L - 125pt
[3DS] SD Gundam G Generation 3D - less than 36pt
[3DS] Super Robot Wars UX - 79pt
It is to note that, actually, the SRT with the biggest amount of preorders at 15 days from release (SRT L) is the one with the worst debut on DS, while the one with the worst amount of preorders at this point (SRT W) is the one that debuted better on the platform.
[3DS] Senran Kagura Burst - 45pt
[PSV] Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus - 50+50=100pt
[NDS] Professor Layton and the Spectre's Call - 255pt
[3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracles - 189pt
[3DS] Professor Layton v.s. Ace Attorney - 72pt
[3DS] Professor Layton and the Aztalian Civilitation - 76pt
Comgnet comparisons! As of February, 27th
[PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 6 - 305+23(collector)=328pt
[PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 7 - 179pt
[PSP] Shining Blade - 457pt
[PSP] Shining Arc - 173pt
[NDS] Dragon Ball Origins - 64pt
[NDS] Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Sayans - 47pt
[PS3] Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 2 - 70pt
[PS3] Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Tenkaichi - 51pt
[3DS] Toriko Gourmet Monsters! - 89pt
[3DS] Magi: The Labyrinth of Beginning - 86pt
[3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission - 149pt
[PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 - 518pt
[PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 Infinity - 549pt
[PSP] Phantasy Star Online 2 - 105pt
[3DS] Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance - 152pt
[PS3] Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix - 96pt
[PS3] One Piece: Pirate Warriors - 252+37(collector)=289pt
[PS3] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 2 - 96pt
[NDS] Super Robot Wars W - 104pt
[NDS] Super Robot Wars K - 11pt
[NDS] Super Robot Wars L - 125pt
[3DS] SD Gundam G Generation 3D - less than 36pt
[3DS] Super Robot Wars UX - 79pt
It is to note that, actually, the SRT with the biggest amount of preorders at 15 days from release (SRT L) is the one with the worst debut on DS, while the one with the worst amount of preorders at this point (SRT W) is the one that debuted better on the platform.
[3DS] Senran Kagura Burst - 45pt
[PSV] Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus - 50+50=100pt
[NDS] Professor Layton and the Spectre's Call - 255pt
[3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracles - 189pt
[3DS] Professor Layton v.s. Ace Attorney - 72pt
[3DS] Professor Layton and the Aztalian Civilitation - 76pt
I don't know, it seems to have a pretty low amount of preorders and Animal Crossing will continue around 80k. It has a chance, but I don't think it'll get there.
You are ignoring some important things. GameCube was a system that came to late to the party, I think about 1,5 years after PS2 that already had the benefit of DVD-playback something that was a big thing in the beginning of that console gen and games like Final Fantasy X already on the market before GCN debuted. Some years later Dragon Quest series followed with a DQ5 remake and DQ8. Sony actually had more and also successful 1st part/2nd party titles besides GT in Japan and 3rd party games like Ridge Racer, Tekken etc were still successful and important "Playstation" games. Now the picture is quite different, Playstation isn´t as important as back then anymore in Japan, a lot of games that helped to built the userbase back then are either less popular or moved to other systems (consoles and handhelds) and they won´t have the advantage of a headstart. The interesting thing is that around the supposed PS4 launch in late 2013 or early 2014 it will be the period Nintendo likely will release their heavy hitters. The question now is what will PS4s launch period lineup look like? Because I don´t think another round of Musou or Yakuza games will be enough and that it´s unlikely SQEX will release an exclusive FF game early.
Freezie KO
Banned
See, Nintendo had games they planned to release during these first few months. They just all got delayed.
Well, they said they delayed some games because of their robust launch line-up, but I'm not seeing it. I feel bad for Pikmin because the Wii U is going to kill that amazing series, but even that didn't make launch, and it's an up-port from Wii.
I have no idea what they're doing over there. As for the GamePad, Miiverse works great, but until Nintendo shows an actual gameplay concept that uses it and necessitates it, I remain doubtful.
udivision said:
You're right, of course. That would've only hurt the Wii brand even more. Nintendo really fucked themselves with the death of software on Wii. But in hindsight (which is never possible), we'd have to say that shareholders would've preferred any alternative to Nintendo's new console being a 5 year albatross around their neck.
Honey Bunny
Member
I really don't think so. People need to temper their expectations for this game's sales.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Can someone explain to me what kind of game Animal Crossing is? Is it like The sims but more charming, or what is it? I have never played it.
So it IS like the sims.
So it IS like the sims.
FreedomFighter
Member
It's life.
I would be surprised if DQX sells over 100K LT. DQX on Wii sold around 650K and I think 50K first week would be a good start.
I'm guessing no.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
A decade ago I heard Sims comparisons, but that's mostly because there's not a whole lot like either of them. What I'm saying applies to older ACs, so won't 100% apply to 3DS game: You create your character and move into a new town. You're given a dinky empty house, and find yourself in debt for it. From there, you can do various tasks to pay off and improve your house, make friends with the neighbors, redecorate your house or the town, collect insects/fish/fossils for the town museum. Participate in special events which might happen based on time of day, the season, day of the year. Very freeform.
Bruno MB
Member
Dragon Quest (main titles) remakes:
3rd week
[PS2] Dragon Quest V (Square Enix) {2004.03.25} - 96.985 / 1.394.252 (-61%)
[NDS] Dragon Quest IV (Square Enix) {2007.11.22} - 42.498 / 776.136 (-68%)
[NDS] Dragon Quest V (Square Enix) {2008.07.17} - 104.910 / 969.413 (-43%)
[NDS] Dragon Quest VI (Square Enix) {2010.01.28} - 86.780 / 1.178.740 (-52%)
[3DS] Dragon Quest VII: Fighters of Eden (Square Enix) {2013.02.07} - 80.478 / 1.088.077 (-53%)
LTD
[SFC] Dragon Quest I & II (Enix) {1993.12.18} - ? / 1.200.000
[SFC] Dragon Quest III Soshite Densetsu e… (Enix) {1996.12.02} - 409.082 / 1.010.989
[GBC] Dragon Quest I & II (Enix) {1999.09.20} - 269.937 / 763.760
[GBC] Dragon Quest III (Enix) {2000.12.04} - 154.143 / 637.749
[PSX] Dragon Quest IV Michibikareshi Monotachi (Enix) {2001.11.19} - 620.802 / 1.173.671
[PS2] Dragon Quest V (Square Enix) {2004.03.25} - 1.048.925 / 1.611.974
[NDS] Dragon Quest IV (Square Enix) {2007.11.22} - 601.737 / 1.214.610
[NDS] Dragon Quest V (Square Enix) {2008.07.17} - 679.442 / 1.190.404
[NDS] Dragon Quest VI (Square Enix) {2010.01.28} - 909.981 / 1.297.344
[3DS] Dragon Quest VII: Fighters of Eden (Square Enix) {2013.02.07} - 836.654 / 1.088.077
If he's going out, anyways, do the $100 price drop, take the heat, leave the Wii U in a better position than the FY started. Sort of like a lame duck president taking unpopular, but necessary, actions, since he's not up for reelection, anyways.
Edit:
Even if he does step down as CEO, I hope they make a position for him to still be an advisor and "face" of the company in some fashion. Love his frankness and enjoy his self-deprecating humor in the Nintendo Directs, too.
airmangataosenai
Member
Yeah, up front sales probably won't be anything spectacular, most likely somewhere between 50-100k FW (Closer to 100k though IMO, similar to the first Monster Hunter Portable). How it does in weeks 2 and 3 will tell the real story of it's prospects.
Magicpaint
Member
P4G and Hatsune Miku both managed 100k+ FW sales...so if SS can't manage to top that on the back of a price drop then wow...bomba.
I'm guessing DQVII will end up somewhere around IV/V/VI DS LTDs, I was hoping for more since it's a far bigger effort than those :\
I'm guessing DQVII will end up somewhere around IV/V/VI DS LTDs, I was hoping for more since it's a far bigger effort than those :\
realalbedo
Banned
i wonder if Vita version of One Piece will move some hardware
Wow good numbers for MGR despite it basically being a spin off, it kinda goes to show the power that the Metal Gear brand still has, especially in Japan too.
Very poor numbers for both the Vita and Wii U though, damn. I think the absence of a steady flow of good games for both of those consoles is why they are both selling so bad right now.
Vita may have a bump this week with it's price drop though but will go back to it's 10K-ish afterwards for a while.
Speaking of which, price is obviously a factor too why they are both doing so bad. Among other smaller things.
Very poor numbers for both the Vita and Wii U though, damn. I think the absence of a steady flow of good games for both of those consoles is why they are both selling so bad right now.
Vita may have a bump this week with it's price drop though but will go back to it's 10K-ish afterwards for a while.
Speaking of which, price is obviously a factor too why they are both doing so bad. Among other smaller things.
airmangataosenai
Member
Those games have established fanbases, sequels are an entirely different beast from new franchises. 100k for a game like this first week would definitely be on the high-end of expectations.
Yeah, but the worry is then devs don't want to make games for it, and therefore sales continue to slump and it's hard to get out of that. Nintendo are lucky to have very strong first party games but by the time that comes, third parties might have essentially given up. I don't think a first party machine only is sustainable nor particularly healthy.
Yep, I completely agree with you.
Some people underestimate the power of third party support, but if you look at what are regarded the greatest/best systems or consoles of all time they all for the most part had at least relatively stable and good third party support throughout their lifespan.
DragonSworne
Banned
Iwata can stay president of NoJ but a non Japanese CEO needs to be appointed overseeing all of the different regions.
Magicpaint
Member
Good point, but it does feel like SS is positioned as a big momentum driver for the Vita and relative to that, I think Sony would be hoping for more than a 100k start. Though I guess it's whether it has sustainable legs or not that is the more important factor here. MHP started very slowly on the PSP iirc.
Shin Sangoku Musou 6/7
What fate? I think with the announced software-lineup and strongly hinted WiiU titles like Mario Kart Wiiu they´ll reach their profit forecast for the upcoming fiscal year quite easily.
shinra-bansho
Member
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test_account
XP-39C²
The one with 1 billion yen in profit?
People at that level don't get demoted and stick around. If he is removed as CEO he won't be at Nintendo at all. And the board is Japanese, the CEO is going to be Japanese I'd imagine.
Baconsammy
Banned
3DS suffering in the West. Wii U dead everywhere. Sales estimates for Wii U dropped from 5.5 million units to 4.0 million. And now the 4.0 million number appears impossible to hit given that Wii U isn't selling anywhere. If that's running a successful company, sign me up. Would be hard to do worse.
Resignation/forced retirement for running the Wii brand - Nintendo's strongest branding of all time - into the graveyard.
InsaneZero
Member
Not going to happen. There's nothing that's driving the Vita sales up like the price drop happening here in Japan.
Baki
Member
Because Nintendo couldn't save the GameCube with the sane type of software. You will probably only see hardware spikes. I think this is Chris' point.
leatherhat
Member
I'm surprised vita sales are this high since the price cut is next week. But I'm glad for it since I expected sub 5k this week. And those MGR sales- good god. And people think action games are dead.
ryūkotsusei
Member
Seppuku, duh.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Reggie.
Exactly. Sure when MK comes out, consoles will sell, and even when titles like Lego or Bayonetta come then Wii U units will too. However that's not necessarily enough to hit the snowball effect, which is required to make a console healthy.
If you're a train at the station and every now and then you chuff hard and move 100 metres down the track that's not going to get you to the same place as chuffing mildly but continuously.
hahaha, who are you?
Obviously the Wii U is tanking and Nintendo deserves poor sales right now, but do you honestly believe a bad launch = "ruining the brand"?
3DS right now is sold at a decent profit margin and already has a userbase that sustains good sales for their 1st party software. The release of Pokemon and Animal Crossing in US/Europe will lead to to more hardware sales and they´ll profit alot from these software sales. Especially thanks to Pkm that definately will sell hardware, they´ll also sell more of their evergreen titles. There recently announced 3DS games like M&L and DKC will also be a profitable source.
WiiU. Most of their titles have been delayed to the next fiscal year and that´s no coincidence. Among them those titles million-sellers like Mario Kart and 3D Mario have been heavily hinted. While the first half will be rather weak due to their delays, the second half of the year looks very promising and they´ll make a nice profit not only from their new releases but also NSMBWiiU, which right now isn´t selling up to its potential due to beeing the only systemseller right now, but will be an important holiday 2013 title again.
DR2K
Banned
No, but I think Wii U is going to fall harder while Vita has stabilized at 35-50k in the US market.
He might be talking about how Nintendo prematurely killed the Wii for no apparent reason.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Source?
MasterSheen
Member
I think some people are underestimating Vita sales potential got next week. I mean, 25k? Don't forget that tomorrow there's two games from popular series along with bundles and a new color, on top of the official price cut. The combination of these things will get Vita higher than what most think, me thinks. People also underestimated 3DS sales before the price drop hit, and with the way Vita is, it's completely understandable to have low predictions.
That said, I'm expecting 70k-80k sold next week.
That said, I'm expecting 70k-80k sold next week.
What a mystery...the lack of games that is.
So this company stops releasing games for Wii about three years into its life. Makes terrible launch games for 3DS.
Does the same on Wii U...and hasn't released another Wii U game yet.
Since the Wii U was announced E3 2011, what has this company been doing? Have they focused on 3DS instead? The results don't show that.
Maybe Iwata and others have lost interest in gaming...they should put their money into whore houses.
So this company stops releasing games for Wii about three years into its life. Makes terrible launch games for 3DS.
Does the same on Wii U...and hasn't released another Wii U game yet.
Since the Wii U was announced E3 2011, what has this company been doing? Have they focused on 3DS instead? The results don't show that.
Maybe Iwata and others have lost interest in gaming...they should put their money into whore houses.