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[wachie]

It's a well established fact that the Xbox One (Durango SoC) was based on the Bonaire GPU. With the upcoming Xbox One S (Edmonton SoC), Microsoft is using the Polaris 11 GPU aka Baffin. Everything fits if you look at the full leaked specs from VC today. http://videocardz.com/62672/amd-radeon-rx-470-and-radeon-rx-460-official-specs-and-performance

COMPUTE UNITS
R7 260X - 14
RX 460 - 14

ROPS
R7 260X - 16
RX 460 - 16

TEXTURE UNITS
R7 260X - 56
RX 460 - 48

MEMORY INTERFACE
R7 260X - 128b
RX 460 - 128b

DISPLAY PORT
R7 260X - 1.2
RX 460 - 1.4 (HDR)

PEAK PERFORMANCE
R7 260X - 1.97 TFlops
RX 460 - 2.2 TFlops (because its clocked higher)

POWER CONSUMPTION
R7 260X - 115W
RX 460 - less than 75W

RELEASE DATE
R7 260X - October 2013 (Xbox One - November 2013)
RX 460 - July 2016 (Xbox One S - August 2016)

PRICE
R7 260X - 139USD
RX 460 - 99-109USD (expected)

Xbox One real-world power usage at 120W, not a huge jump from 260X accounting for lower clocks of the Durango GPU and rest of the Jaguar cores + subsystem. If the same translates for Xbox One S, we could be looking at ~80W or around 40% less consumption than the OG PS4.

The above is based on the assumption that the Baffin GPU is indeed 14 CU and not 16. If Baffin is 16CU, it doesnt make sense for AMD to not launch the full GPU with the 460. The texture unit partitioning is also weird, may be the Xbox One GPU will be clocked slightly (negligible) higher? Thoughts?

 

[etta]

Hmmmmm, can't wait for impressions to see how quiet the S runs. Hopefully it's as quiet as the already-silent fat Xbox One.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I guess anything is possible but actually I've been thinking that given neither Microsoft nor AMD have bragged about a new chip design or it being 14nm is damn odd. So odd for me that maybe it is 'just' a super refined 28nm current APU?

 

[bombshell]

nvm

 

[uncleniccius]

nvm

..what?! I assume this was meant to be a new thread?

 

[bombshell]

..what?! I assume this was meant to be a new thread?

yes lol

 

[etta]

I guess anything is possible but actually I've been thinking that given neither Microsoft nor AMD have bragged about a new chip design or it being 14nm is damn odd. So odd for me that maybe it is 'just' a super refined 28nm current APU?

I highly doubt it's 28nm. Smaller size, power supply moved internally, something's gotta give. Unless they went liquid cooling, it has to be 14/16nm.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I highly doubt it's 28nm. Smaller size, power supply moved internally, something's gotta give. Unless they went liquid cooling, it has to be 14/16nm.

Maybe but PS4 ticks all the boxes you point out here at 28nm whilst being 50% more powerful to boot.

In a week don't the press get their hands on real units? Hopefully iFixit get their hands on one.

 

[SmartWaffles]

It also fits AMD's claim that they won three SoC contracts this year. We know two of them are PS4 Neo and Xbox Scorpio, and since NX is out of that three, using a new GPU in Xbox One S's silicon fits the third win. It doesn't make sense to call Xbox One S new SoC if it is simply moving the OG Xbox One silicon to FinFET.

 

[etta]

Maybe but PS4 ticks all the boxes you point out here at 28nm whilst being 50% more powerful to boot.

In a week don't the press get their hands on real units? Hopefully iFixit get their hands on one.

PS4 is also a jet engine that gets very hot to touch.

 

[onQ123]

onQ the great


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=201637612&postcount=615

Here is my final prediction: (it's really just an educated guess/deduction from all stuff I've found and heard/read from officials, no insider info or whatever)

Xbox One Slim. Will indeed have a slight spec bump but MS will not really talk about it. GPU/CPU will be another more energy efficient smaller architecture but just as powerful as the PS4 vanilla one, maybe less. This will help BC and OS performance. Older games will simply get resources assigned to run the same as before via the hypervisor. Newer games surely benefit from the slight boost. Remember the 360 also got a better GPU (or CPU? don't remember) mid-gen but MS bottlenecked it to ensure compatibility. The same will happen here sans the artificial bottleneck.

Additionally MS will announce an indeed better machine for next year based on the same base components/architecture as the Slim.

Basically what ProElite wrote here and in his thread.

All will happen on a dedicated event before E3.

Like what I was saying before

I'm not sure if it's going to be a much higher spec'ed console at the moment from them I think they will match the PS4 specs with a small STB like FireTV & have other Windows 10 devices & rely on the PC for the high end UWP games & maybe release a higher end STB in a year or so.

Ellesmere is Polaris 10 & Baffin is Polaris 11 now guess who would be the 2 major OEMs?

Sony & Microsoft

http://wccftech.com/amd-16nm-ellesmere-baffin-arctic-islands-taped-out-2016-production/



Polaris 11 has more GPUs (why does that matter?) because MS is making Windows 10 devices that are basically Xbox One SoCs that will go into Laptops , STBs , TVs & other Windows 10 devices like HoloLens.

It's the PS4 GPU at 14nm & now able to fit 36CUs where 18CUs at 28nm used to fit.


I say that Polaris 10 is made from PS4 going 14nm & Polaris 11 is from Xbox One going 14nm & Vega will be the monsters

 

[Jessie.Bristol]

Ah ha! I called it back at E3 when Rod Fergusson was talking about Gears 4 taking advantage of the Xbox One S's improved hardware capability.

So is Xbox One S using the RX 460?

 

[NateDrake]

It also fits AMD's claim that they won three SoC contracts this year. We know two of them are PS4 Neo and Xbox Scorpio, and since NX is out of that three, using a new GPU in Xbox One S's silicon fits the third win. It doesn't make sense to call Xbox One S new SoC if it is simply moving the OG Xbox One silicon to FinFET.

If true, this will put the nail in the coffin of those saying NX has an AMD GPU based on the AMD three SoC contracts. Neo, Scorpio, and now S.

 

[etta]

onQ the great


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=201637612&postcount=615






Like what I was saying before

Shit I doubt they will use the 2.2 TF for new games but I can definitely see them using it for Backward Compatibility and maybe OS and apps. Fuck now I'm excited to see BC improvements.

 

[DeepEnigma]

PS4 is also a jet engine that gets very hot to touch.

Mine doesn't, lol.

Especially the 'very hot to touch' part.

onQ the great


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=201637612&postcount=615


Like what I was saying before

As much shit as people seem to throw your way, especially recently, you sure hit the dartboard often with these, many months in advance.

 

[SmartWaffles]

If true, this will put the nail in the coffin of those saying NX has an AMD GPU based on the AMD three SoC contracts. Neo, Scorpio, and now S.

NX is Tegra, zero chance of them using AMD GPU now.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

the face off threads for Gears4 are going to be murder. Xbox One vs Xbox One S vs PC

or will they? ....

 

[Conduit]

Wait, what? Xbone S is now outperforming PS4?

 

[NateDrake]

NX is Tegra, zero chance of them using AMD GPU now.

Go on Twitter and follow MetalDave. He still believes a dedicated NX home console will use AMD/X86 because of the SoC wins.

 

[Asd202]

Wait, what? Xbone S is now outperforming PS4?

I don't think so.

 

[SmartWaffles]

Wait, what? Xbone S is now outperforming PS4?

No, even if Baffin is in Xbox One S it will be significantly lower clocked than its desktop counterpart.

 

[LelouchZero]

There's so much confusion about the Xbox One S, why don't Microsoft just come clean about it's hardware capabilities?

Hopefully they'll confirm the specs soon.

 

[ekim]

Shit I doubt they will use the 2.2 TF for new games but I can definitely see them using it for Backward Compatibility and maybe OS and apps. Fuck now I'm excited to see BC improvements.

The OG X11 chip is also not running to its full capability due to lower clocks. So maybe we are looking at 1.6-1.8 TFlops within the One-S

 

[BRocknRolla]

Wait, what? Xbone S is now outperforming PS4?

Yeah, I do not buy this.

If it was going to offer that big a jump in performance, they'd have said something to that effect. The only reason they wouldn't would be to enforce parity between the original and the slim, which is pretty damn awful if true.

Edit: Unless they've got it clocked way down to keep energy draw and heat to a minimum, which I guess is logical. Would make sense then that there wouldn't be any real improvements.

Go on Twitter and follow MetalDave. He still believes a dedicated NX home console will use AMD/X86 because of the SoC wins.

And who is MetalDave? Eurogamer seems to have someone who is actually leaking information. Unless he's saying that the leak is fake.

 

[onQ123]

Wait, what? Xbone S is now outperforming PS4?

No it's still clocked lower & have CU turned off.

 

[Conduit]

the face off threads for Gears4 are going to be murder. Xbox One vs Xbox One S vs PC

or will they?

Xbox One S won't give games a performance boost, Microsoft insists

 

[DeepEnigma]

Wait, what? Xbone S is now outperforming PS4?

Was the OG Xbox One running the peak 1.97 TFlops?

That should tell you what you need to know.

No it's still clocked lower & have CU turned off.

Assumed this.

 

[onQ123]

Mine doesn't, lol.

Especially the 'very hot to touch' part.



As much shit as people seem to throw your way, especially recently, you sure hit the dartboard often with these, many months in advance.

And that's why they never get to me when they are running their mouth lol

 

[Conduit]

The OG X11 chip is also not running to its full capability due to lower clocks. So maybe we are looking at 1.6-1.8 TFlops within the One-S

Is this a joke here, i mean MrX level joke? Or you are MrX, ekim?

 

[statham]

They said the extra power is for HDR, but I hope they allow other devs to use it for non-HDR games. I will preorder the 'S' if they do.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And that's why they never get to me when they are running their mouth lol

I give you a ton of credit for that. You sure are a cool and collected character when the wolf pack is piling on.

 

[NateDrake]

Yeah, I do not buy this.

If it was going to offer that big a jump in performance, they'd have said something to that effect. The only reason they wouldn't would be to enforce parity between the original and the slim, which is pretty damn awful if true.

Edit: Unless they've got it clocked way down to keep energy draw and heat to a minimum, which I guess is logical. Would make sense then that there wouldn't be any real improvements.



And who is MetalDave? Eurogamer seems to have someone who is actually leaking information. Unless he's saying that the leak is fake.

Better known as Trev on GAF. He claims a dedicated NX console is still out there and will have Polaris GPU and be X86 based on the SoC wins of AMD totaling 3: Neo and Scorpio being the 2 confirmed at this point.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Xbox One S won't give games a performance boost, Microsoft insists

I really do believe it wont give a performance boost, but im interested to see if DF will find something different other than HDR.

I'm excited either way

 

[KageMaru]

Shit I doubt they will use the 2.2 TF for new games but I can definitely see them using it for Backward Compatibility and maybe OS and apps. Fuck now I'm excited to see BC improvements.

I don't see any meaningful performance improvement for the S console. That would be a slap in the face to the existing owners.

 

[Conduit]

I don't see any meaningful performance improvement for the S console. That would be a slap in the face to the existing owners.

Probably there are some members here who still believe in Xbone's secret sauce 3 years after launch. Naaaaah.... won't happen! It's hilarious to read those things again.

 

[onQ123]

They said the extra power is for HDR, but I hope they allow other devs to use it for non-HDR games. I will preorder the 'S' if they do.

HDR isn't using extra compute power HDR is happening because it's part of the display output specs.

 

[Xyphie]

Looking forward to RX470 as it is looking to be the best Polaris-family GPU. Give me that 85-90% performance of RX480 at 75% of the cost.

 

[Mula]

MS would scream It from the rooftop. There is not more power for Games.

 

[etta]

The OG X11 chip is also not running to its full capability due to lower clocks. So maybe we are looking at 1.6-1.8 TFlops within the One-S

Yea it will definitely be downclocked, but it's very exciting and intriguing to see if they leave room for extra performance to be used for OS and BC.

 

[jroc74]

As much shit as people seem to throw your way, especially recently, you sure hit the dartboard often with these, many months in advance.

Nostradamus.

I rarely comment in threads him or jeff rigby are in but they sure are interesting to read...lol.

onQ, I need you to apply these skills to the PowerBall and MegaMillions.

Thanks.

 

[Proelite]

I don't think the Xbox One S is off 28nm.

It might be using a GCN1.2 variant and Puma to get better TDP.

The 16 memory chips are what caused the Xb1 mono to be so big. Maybe they made moved the memory chips of the main mobo.

 

[wachie]

I give you a ton of credit for that. You sure are a cool and collected character when the wolf pack is piling on.

He's way off base on things like Neo is really a 8TF half precision console.

 

[GhostTrick]

Mine doesn't, lol.

Especially the 'very hot to touch' part.



As much shit as people seem to throw your way, especially recently, you sure hit the dartboard often with these, many months in advance.

If hitting the dartboard is another way to say "kinda off" then sure

The very notion that AMD made Polaris 10 and 11 because of PS4 Neo and XB1S is weird.

 

[ekim]

Is this a joke here, i mean MrX level joke? Or you are MrX, ekim?

200MFlops is a minimal increase. Why so offensive?

 

[Conduit]

MS would scream It from the rooftop. There is not more power for Games.

Yep! But nevertheless, it would be fun to read "optimistic" posts here.

200MFlops is a minimal increase. Why so offensive?

No, i'm not. Btw. you mentioned +400 GFLOPS upgrade in previous post.

 

[Inuhanyou]

You guys are getting out of hand....XB1S is most likely just a external casing and rearranged internals revision of the original XB1, which was already overly conservative at launch with the addition of HDMI 2.0 outputs

Making a thread on this kind of thing is nonsense, especially with a title like that when you are just speculating what is in the box without any official announcements on an actual die change.

 

[Max_Po]

Maybe but PS4 ticks all the boxes you point out here at 28nm whilst being 50% more powerful to boot.

In a week don't the press get their hands on real units? Hopefully iFixit get their hands on one.

not to mention 3 years ago!

 

[Duxxy3]

So basically more modern gpu, with more potential power, but it's throttled to perform like an xbox one.

Makes me wonder if AMD is doing something with vanilla PS4 after the NEO comes out.

 

[Proelite]

You guys are getting out of hand....XB1S is most likely just a external casing revision of the original XB1, which was already overly conservative at launch.

Why are you making a thread on this nonsense?

Yep they can also use a Puma and GCN1.2 to get less TDP and heat on 28nm.

 

[DeepEnigma]

He's way off base on things like Neo is really a 8TF half precision console.

I do not ever see him calling it 'just that', but theoretically, the chipsets are capable of double the Flops in half precision modes/instances. That is not a non-fact with what is known with the tech in them.

If hitting the dartboard is another way to say "kinda off" then sure

The very notion that AMD made Polaris 10 and 11 because of PS4 Neo and XB1S is weird.

He is more on point than 90% of the half baked theories I have been reading on here. (He does not have to be 100%, and can inject personal opinion, like we all do, but he has been calling the tech months before most, and even then getting shit for it.)

And I think one hand washes the other when it comes to Polaris 10/1. They made them every bit as much for the console partnerships as they are doing for their PC ventures. I would make a wager, that how we are seeing this go down, is every bit aided by the contracts they are getting with both MSFT/Sony.