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I am trying very hard to bring my posts towards some kind of point, with a way that someone could actually do something to start getting better. I have a real bias for intense contemplation over action and I realize it feeds my depression. I recently started a book about the Jesuits and another about existentialism and one thing I have taken from both books is trying to live a thoughtful, deliberate, reflective life, but doing so out in the actual world.

So, anyway, i'm trying to figure out what I have actually done that helped, especially if it is something someone else can try.

Example: brag to JB about your sweet wheels. I feel incredible every time.

That's an incredibly interesting point. I think I probably have a similar issue, focusing more on contemplation over action. That's certainly something I'll have to keep an eye out for to make sure it's not a problem.
Very interesting insight. Thank you.
 
A couple of friends have told me that they're quite worried about me, and that they noticed things in my letter to my Mom that was read at the funeral. I only know I put one thing in, about how I hope to see her again very soon, but other than that I didn't purposefully put anything depressive or suicidally infused in.

One said it was written weirdly, but everyone else told me they loved it.

One broke down and cried the other night.

I don't know what to do. I don't think I'm strong enough to live without her, my life is Hell and I hate everything. But I could never do it.
 
Is it normal, or I guess common would be a better word, to reach a point where you stop even wanting to receive help or fix things? I genuinely feel done with everything. I can't say I've ever really felt truly good at any point in my life but at least the "maybe it'll get better" thoughts were in place to keep me going. They're not there now though.
 
Is it normal, or I guess common would be a better word, to reach a point where you stop even wanting to receive help or fix things? I genuinely feel done with everything. I can't say I've ever really felt truly good at any point in my life but at least the "maybe it'll get better" thoughts were in place to keep me going. They're not there now though.

That's a pretty normal feeling, yeah. It's also a dangerous habit to fall into, because self-destructive behavior seems to get easier the more you do it. Speaking purely from experience on this one though, it probably differs from person to person.
 
A couple of friends have told me that they're quite worried about me, and that they noticed things in my letter to my Mom that was read at the funeral. I only know I put one thing in, about how I hope to see her again very soon, but other than that I didn't purposefully put anything depressive or suicidally infused in.

One said it was written weirdly, but everyone else told me they loved it.

One broke down and cried the other night.

I don't know what to do. I don't think I'm strong enough to live without her, my life is Hell and I hate everything. But I could never do it.

I wish there was some significant way I could comfort you throughout this awful situation, but the best I got is replying to your post.
With that said, from your posts, it seems like you're grieving in the best way possible. Not trying to avoid thinking about it but instead processing it, and seeking the help of friends as much as possible as well as grieving with friends.
I'm not trying to say that everything will be the same once you're through the bulk of the grieving process, but it does seem like you're setting yourself up for future success by grieving properly and healthily right now. So I guess what I'm saying is try not to give up hope that things will never be better again. As impossible as it seems, I'm certain you'll be able to achieve a sense of normality and contentment in this new world you find yourself in.

Also, apologies if I'm way off base here. To be completely honest, I'm fortunate enough to have never lost anyone very close to me, so I can't say I can fully relate, and because of that, I certainly don't know exactly what you're going through beyond what you express in your posts. Hopefully even a tiny bit of that advice helps in some small way though even if it doesn't come from a place of experience.

At this point my post is just kind of rambling, but I just want to repeat how sorry I am for your loss. Stay strong and stay close to your friends and you'll get through this, Chewie.

Is it normal, or I guess common would be a better word, to reach a point where you stop even wanting to receive help or fix things? I genuinely feel done with everything. I can't say I've ever really felt truly good at any point in my life but at least the "maybe it'll get better" thoughts were in place to keep me going. They're not there now though.

I definitely am familiar with that feeling. You're certainly not the only one. That doesn't mean it's not an awful feeling to have though, so you have my sympathies.
Also, totally love your avatar. Preacher is pretty much my all-time favorite.
 
I don't know why I'm posting this, maybe just needing some encouragement to not give up. Here's a bit of history, sorry for the length.

I'm 38. At 20 I was hit with Aggressive Fibromatosis, which was basically a softball sized tumor in my chest growing into my left lung and pressing into my heart cavity. My nerves leading to my arm runs through it, as does my subclavian. I was Rx'd weekly Methotrexate and Vinblastine infusions to shrink it, which it did. I was on 180mg daily of oxy for pain. To make a very long story short, it was years of pure, unadulterated misery but I somehow pulled through. Had radiation to stop the growth, which it did for two years. Detoxed off oxy of my own volition. Had MRIs every 4 months to watch for growth, which it resumed not long after. Was then told I'd have to be on chronic weekly chemo for life to control it, so that's what I've been doing (on and off) until last year, when I stopped, my health be damned. I was sick and tired of being sick and tired, my body's ability to bounce back was lessening (had to give myself 3 injections per week in belly fat to help leukocytes replenish), and it was affecting me mentally as well in terms of ST memory loss. But the real reason I stopped is because of the social death it was incurring. I was sick 4 days out of the week, the rest exhausted as I recovered only to be hit again on Monday. There was no social life to speak of.

Point being, this ordeal ripped me out of life for a long time and time flew by. Now, I'm incredibly depressed. I'm finding that as I come out of the other end of the tunnel, I have absolutely nothing to show for it. I'm suddenly looking at a middle aged man in the mirror with very poor health with the prospect of a horrific death hanging over my head, no career, no education past high school, sporadic, menial work experience, never been in love or even intimate with a women since 20, and I live with my parents. The stereotypical "living in your parent's basement" loser. The entire upper left quadrant of my body is disabled and I have chronic pain for which I take Vicodin to help control. I drink about 4 ounces of vodka daily to self medicate and deal with feelings of inadequacy, low self-esteem and respect, the ramifications of my diagnosis, and to give me some liquid courage for severe social anxiety on the days I do go out. I'm also diagnosed Bipolar II so have mood swings which make it incredibly difficult to finish things or have any type of stability or motivation. After many years of miserable chemo, I can deal with my tumor and physical anguish. It is awful, but it's very true that it's controllable. To detach. Mental anguish is much more debilitating and mad respect to those in this thread dealing with it. Kudos guys. Anyway, not only this on my plate, I have the judgement of my three douchebag siblings on me. I come from an upper middle class family who is pretty accomplished. Brother's an Ivy league graduate who's a self-made millionaire. Father's an optical physicist who used to be a lead scientist at Lockheed. All my other siblings are successes and independent with their own families and well known and liked in their communities. Yet they judge me for being on disability, for staying at home "playing videogames all day". I can't describe their degree of ignorance, nor of my contempt towards them, and I don't wish to know them. When my parent pass, I will cease contact. They were not there when I was diagnosed......there is no love lost between any of us.

Right now I'm in college looking to pursue an English degree, to what end I don't know. Apathy fills me, which is something I had to embrace when told I may be dead in months when I was 20. There was a necessary surrender that was terrifying, but it's remained and I can't rid myself of it. I think my depression also has something to do with this. I try to engage in school and hold enthusiasm, but I can't identify with people. I'm stunted in growth mentally at 20, but no one that age wants to hang with someone twice their age....can't blame them. My actual peers? How can I relate? Mortgages? Kids? Jobs? Marriage and love? I know nothing of these things. I feel alone. Not only this, I have anger issues I can't articulate they are so immense. I'm really trying to move on with my life, but I still feel robbed of the opportunity to have made my own life at a time that was crucial to building a foundation for it. It was extraordinarily difficult to watch all my friends and peers proceed with their lives during my 20s/30s as I struggled simply to keep my head above water. To see them start families, get job promotions, buy cars, houses, pursue hobbies. Now they believe they have the right to judge me a failure?! This anger's not leaving (on the contrary actually), and I don't know how to deal with it. I'm a miserable guy to be around. I'm an angry, resentful, bitter person. I hate god. I want to hate, I feel justified in hate. This is not only directed outwards, but also inwards as well. I hate who I am, yet don't know how to change. I don't blame people for not wanting to be around me. Even on forums I can sense this. Unlike many here, I have nothing to call my own, no skill, no experience, no realm of knowledge or expertise except the ignorance common sense affords and surviving a very serious chronic illness, a subject that makes many uneasy. This knowledge is absolutely useless to providing a life worth living. There's nothing to feel like I should be respected for that society deems worthwhile. This only feeds into my self-loathing more.

Therapy's not helping. I'm honestly struggling to find a reason to live, and most of my waking life is spent in consideration of ending it. I've been contemplating suicide for many years now, and the scary thing is just how much it makes sense if looked at by any objective metric. Despite my mental illness, I believe my thinking on this to be crystal clear. I've poured my being into getting a sliver of health back, yet to what end? Why the hell did I even bother? I play video games and jack off (my only pleasures in life, aside opiates) through tears. Simple distractions and pressure releases. The only reason I haven't gone through is I will never put my mother through such pain as long as I can help it, even though she once told me in tears she'd understand if I committed suicide (this was during a period of seeing me in immense suffering from symptoms and chemo). Once she's gone though? I can't say...

But ultimately, the worst thing is the loss of hope. It's not that I'm in intolerable pain currently in any tangible sense, but that the absence of hope is approaching. It is the biggest agony there is in life to live with a fading light within the heart. When that is finally extinguised.....so am I.

As someone in virtually the same situation, I cried while reading this. No joke. Due to debilitating chronic illness, my life also pretty much ended in my early 20s (I'm 35 now). And people don't really understand how crushing it is to see your friends continue on with their lives while you're just struggling to survive. Or they judge you, which is even worse. Sometimes they even outgrow you, which can be the most devastating at all. I've had more than one friend bail on me the instant they got an SO or worse, married. It's left me with an intense fear of abandonment.

But what really decimates you is the loss of hope, how you dread waking up in the morning, killing time with the exact same unfulfilling things, not wanting to live, too scared to die (for now). Deeply envious of the people who are able to live without constant physical pain. Suicide is never far away. I wish I had some comforting answer for you, something that'll make it all better but I don't.

But for as long as you're still around, I do urge you to work on your attitude as much as possible. It's very easy to fall into a bitter, angry void, as you mentioned and people just don't want to be around you. But we need people. Without them, the life you and I lead is even more meaningless. I've been doing my best to transfer my strong negative emotions into helping the people I love as much as I can. It isn't capable of giving my life meaning (despite what people may argue) but it helps dull the loneliness and makes me feel like I'm doing something worthwhile. I still have extended periods where I just can't deal and I want people to fuck off (like the last several days) but my friends have gotten good at knowing when I need to be left alone.

Take care of yourself, man. As best as possible.

That was such an absolute pleasure to listen to, jb. Seriously so incredible of you to do that for me. I felt so much comfort from you playing that song for me through the computer screen. Just thank you so much. What a gorgeous piece and you played it flawlessly (from what I could tell).

Also, that ending is such a playful tease, it was almost comedic. I love how it builds up to that perfect ending and then unresolves it... then does it again and you think "Okay, now THIS is the ending" and then it unresolves it again.
Hopefully you know what I mean or else I probably sound like a crazy person.

Hahaha! Yeah, I get it. ;) I'm very glad you liked it.

My used Toyota Corolla is amazing. That is the one thing people should legitimately be jealous of.

I wouldn't mind a Corolla, I'd admit.

(Not one word from you, Fishy.)
 
That's a pretty normal feeling, yeah. It's also a dangerous habit to fall into, because self-destructive behavior seems to get easier the more you do it. Speaking purely from experience on this one though, it probably differs from person to person.

Based on what I'm feeling right now, I can definitely see how it could lead to poor judgement in regards to looking after myself.

I definitely am familiar with that feeling. You're certainly not the only one. That doesn't mean it's not an awful feeling to have though, so you have my sympathies.
Also, totally love your avatar. Preacher is pretty much my all-time favorite.

Thanks.

I just phoned the Samaritans, really needed to talk to someone. It was nice to verbalise some of the feelings I've been carrying, I even cried a little bit. It's not something that provided any solutions, nor did I expect it to, but the woman on the other end was nice.
 
Thanks.

I just phoned the Samaritans, really needed to talk to someone. It was nice to verbalise some of the feelings I've been carrying, I even cried a little bit. It's not something that provided any solutions, nor did I expect it to, but the woman on the other end was nice.

I'm really glad to hear that. Sometimes you just need to spill your guts out to someone. I definitely know what you mean. I hope you get to have more opportunities to talk about your feelings to others.
 
Those hotlines sound nice but I don't think it would really work for people with social anxiety who are terrified of phones and talking to strangers
 
Used to read here every day for a long time. Suffered from social anxiety and depression for years.

Please don't give up, things can change, you have no idea. Good luck everyone.
 
Used to read here every day for a long time. Suffered from social anxiety and depression for years.

Please don't give up, things can change, you have no idea. Good luck everyone.

What was it that turned things around for you?
 
I've realized some stuff about myself lately.

First, and most obvious, is that I'm not happy. I'm miserable.

Second, is that I cannot envision a future in which I am happy. Like I can't even imagine what that future would even look like.

Third, and saddest of all, is that I honestly can't remember ever truly being happy before in my life. Every moment of "happiness" I can remember has involved some sort of entertainment media - video games, TV shows, movies - and that's not really happiness, you know? That's just temporary enjoyment.

Putting these together, I've realized: I do not even know what happiness is.

I don't know what to do about this. All I want out of life is to be happy, but that seems unobtainable since I don't even know what it is in the first place.
 
So long as I keep my job, I'm still alright. Just really done trusting a particular person to not be a horrible self-destructing ....

Keep that job, focus on what I am doing.

Staying away from meetups from now on. I can't deal with the increase of fascism/racism in young adults here. Thanks Trump.
 
I'm feeling better today, but I was completely demoralized when I finally saw a therapist yesterday only to be asked if I wanted to see my prior one (who said I needed to check in with the building next door these therapists were at for... insurance reasons?) and it went no where due to confusion on my end and I'll just see my old guy in over a week.

It was frustrating and immensely depressing. I come over here for continued therapy, saw a medicine guy who took me off Paxil poorly, left me suffering withdrawal and needing to call in sick for work and the one longer day I try to go through (RIGHT before seeing about new medication) I lose my temper and get suspended, and I'm not even sure this guy will write a note since he had emphasized this was something I agreed to (not with me fully understanding what would happen to me and even after I was saying I had been doing better on Paxil!) and when switched to Prozac said to use my medicine bottle as a doctors note. Combine that with what I said above, and it feels like I ran in circles only to get fucked over pointlessly!
 
People don't even believe I'm English. I went to a meetup and was told that the job I have was shit. My girlfriend is on Tinder because she can't do stuff with me. I really just... It's not even giving up anymore. There is nothing to live for.

I feel out of place everywhere. I don't have a home. I don't have a place where I grew up. I have a family that doesn't want me around...

And my worse nightmares are my memories. When a girl I liked was so embarrassed that I gave her a valentines day card, she got every school in the school to follow her and rip up the card in front of me.

I did everything I could to stay in the relationship I am in because it's really the only thing that gave me confidence. I'm never going to stop being out of place.

I don't have a reason to live.

I had so much pride in the job I got, but the meetup made me depressed and I had so much anxiety in the morning. It's my first week and I took a day off. What am I supposed to do? How can I stop feeling depressed so I can at least go on.

Society shouldn't make suicide too difficult. It shouldn't be so hard to do it without being an inconvenience to people. The quickest and most painless way is at a train station but it will affect other people watching. I can't go someone where I'll be found, or missing. I just want to opt out of this unfair and bullshit life.
she was just an asshole,any decent person would not have done something like that, that was not your fault.

life is very rough, try to find peace of mind in something that is not outside of you (like a girlfriend, job, money, etc.) because in the end thats not what define us, or give us our value. there is so much you can do, new, good experiences, meeting new people, learning a new hobby or music instrument or even reading a book, small things like that can help you getting to walk.

And what makes you anxious? the people? or is the job too stressing? calming down, breathing and talking with your coworkers even a ittle can help removing some of the weight that comes with starting a new job.

A couple of friends have told me that they're quite worried about me, and that they noticed things in my letter to my Mom that was read at the funeral. I only know I put one thing in, about how I hope to see her again very soon, but other than that I didn't purposefully put anything depressive or suicidally infused in.

One said it was written weirdly, but everyone else told me they loved it.

One broke down and cried the other night.

I don't know what to do. I don't think I'm strong enough to live without her, my life is Hell and I hate everything. But I could never do it.

cant say anything that might help you cope with what happened, its going to be a long, difficut process, but hopefully you can find peace and hapiness in your life again, your mom would have liked to see you happy, after all.
And its good to see your friends are worried about you , after that other comment i thought they were being distant or mean.
 
Well, ever since that one bout of homesickness I posted about yesterday morning, I've been just having an excellent time in New Hampshire. My roommate and I are already getting along like we've known each other for years, I love the town, I'm super excited for my new job...
I'm just feeling really good about this right now.
 
I've realized some stuff about myself lately.

First, and most obvious, is that I'm not happy. I'm miserable.

Second, is that I cannot envision a future in which I am happy. Like I can't even imagine what that future would even look like.

Third, and saddest of all, is that I honestly can't remember ever truly being happy before in my life. Every moment of "happiness" I can remember has involved some sort of entertainment media - video games, TV shows, movies - and that's not really happiness, you know? That's just temporary enjoyment.

Putting these together, I've realized: I do not even know what happiness is.

I don't know what to do about this. All I want out of life is to be happy, but that seems unobtainable since I don't even know what it is in the first place.
thats horrible KevinCow, im sorry things appear to be that bad for you, nobody can be truly happy, what is "happiness" to you? companionship, romantic relationship, professional success, maybe someone in your ife was very toxic and that is causing this?
i know is difficult to encision the future, because that cant be, every future i can think of, good or bad , are mostly false images created with the mind and are far from the truth. we can only search and find hapiness right now,
 
Tonight's the night, chaps. It's been a fun couple of years lurking.

I would say see you on the other side but I hope that's it! Peace out x
 
Tonight's the night, chaps. It's been a fun couple of years lurking.

I would say see you on the other side but I hope that's it! Peace out x

Apparently you're from the UK (or perhaps Japan now, you seem to travel quite a bit), so there's nothing I can do as a Canadian to directly help you, but if there's any gaffer's reading this who know you a bit better and are closer, maybe they can swing by.
 
As someone in virtually the same situation, I cried while reading this. No joke. Due to debilitating chronic illness, my life also pretty much ended in my early 20s (I'm 35 now). And people don't really understand how crushing it is to see your friends continue on with their lives while you're just struggling to survive. Or they judge you, which is even worse. Sometimes they even outgrow you, which can be the most devastating at all. I've had more than one friend bail on me the instant they got an SO or worse, married. It's left me with an intense fear of abandonment.

But what really decimates you is the loss of hope, how you dread waking up in the morning, killing time with the exact same unfulfilling things, not wanting to live, too scared to die (for now). Deeply envious of the people who are able to live without constant physical pain. Suicide is never far away. I wish I had some comforting answer for you, something that'll make it all better but I don't.

But for as long as you're still around, I do urge you to work on your attitude as much as possible. It's very easy to fall into a bitter, angry void, as you mentioned and people just don't want to be around you. But we need people. Without them, the life you and I lead is even more meaningless. I've been doing my best to transfer my strong negative emotions into helping the people I love as much as I can. It isn't capable of giving my life meaning (despite what people may argue) but it helps dull the loneliness and makes me feel like I'm doing something worthwhile. I still have extended periods where I just can't deal and I want people to fuck off (like the last several days) but my friends have gotten good at knowing when I need to be left alone.

Take care of yourself, man. As best as possible.
A day at a time.

Thanks for relating. I did not read this whole thread, but did you post your situation, or would direct me to it? Or like to share? Often I forget there are others in the same (or similar) boat. I know there are, it's just hard to see in day to day life. Most of my friends abandoned me at diagnosis. A few stayed...that is to say, didn't refuse contact or try to avoid me. I also suffer from fear of abandonment, so I tend to push people away before they can get too close as a defense mechanism, that is if my anger doesn't drive them away first.

Just relating is good enough, and I thank you for doing so. I'm trying to work on my attitude but it's not improving unfortunately. My hate at the world is nothing more than a projection of hate at myself. It's anger, and it turns into a vicious cycle. I hate the world, I see it reciprocate in kind, and this in turn feeds into my hate. I've tried to go to anger therapy sessions recommended by my therapist, and these programs don't even scratch the surface. Not to belittle others' issues, but I'm sitting there and people are talking about not being able to deal when someone drives too slow or that cuts them off. My anger's not just day to day aggravations, it's murderous to my core, and I'm lost as to where to even begin to approach or penetrate it. I suppose forgiveness will have to be it. I never realized how much strength it really takes to forgive, and I don't think I'll be able to. I'm not the bigger man, at least not presently.

Anyway, thanks again, and take care.
 
2-3 days ago some guy jumped in front of a train here at my stop at minami-koshigya. got me thinking that i would not want to subject people to my own suicide like that. part of me wants to backpack to the suicide forest and stay there. maybe i should die here in japan, rather than be what i am in this world.
 
2-3 days ago some guy jumped in front of a train here at my stop at minami-koshigya. got me thinking that i would not want to subject people to my own suicide like that. part of me wants to backpack to the suicide forest and stay there. maybe i should die here in japan, rather than be what i am in this world.

When I found out today how Robin Williams died, it made me happy to know he didn't suffer. I think my depression really started when I heard about his death. Back then, I was doing everything I can to make her happy. I used to dream everyday of the time I could not worry and have something. But it was what he said at some point, that the worst part is when you're around people that make you feel alone.

That describes my whole life.

I've always, for almost every second, thought about what I can do for others. And I only got told I should think about myself. It was always the worst advice. Thinking about myself, brought up all the pain and unfairness. What really did it for me was being kicked out of school for lack of fees. I was never told why, or what was going on. As a kid I just believed what my Mom said but 100% of what she said was lies.

I understand... that me being sad and in pain makes her sad. That's why I don't want to live anymore. Because the one thing I want, to make her happy, I get close to it so many times but then my depression kicks in and ruins everything.

I wish it didn't make people happy to do such horrible things to people. Why does making someone else's life worse make anyone happy?
 
Sometimes i wish i would die in my sleep. I never asked to be born or to look this way and yet all my parents genes come together to form the monster i look like now. So i spent the day with my friends and their kid and dogs at some park in Kawagoe and around us are other families doing the same. makes me wish i had a wife and kids however im gay so thats out of the picture and being the complete opposite of attractiveness in the gay community i am guaranteed to be along. My friend constantly asked me if i was happy today and of course i said yes, i dont want to ruin anyone's day. i dont want to suicide in front of his family or anyone. so now i am here in my little room watching gay dramas on youtube and checking gay apps on my phone. no one ever replies to my messages of course. checked out my insurance plan and since ive had it more than 2 years when i do commit suicide at least it would pay out to my family.
 
To be honest... It's this world that scares me. This expectation that I'm okay because of how good I got at faking a smile.

I don't think the pain from death is a worry anymore. I only worry about after death. But really... I can't imagine anything worse than this.
 
Tonight's the night, chaps. It's been a fun couple of years lurking.

I would say see you on the other side but I hope that's it! Peace out x
If you're in Japan, PM me where and I will drive there and hook up some retro consoles and chill till you change your mind.

I'm entirely serious,doesn't even matter if we are on opposite ends of the country.
 
So just going to share this here in case it helps someone, even if just a little bit.

I'm in my mid 30s now, but back in highschool (14 years old ish) I encountered a situation where I actively avoided a certain part of the school, going near that particular part resulted in feeling on edge, over time as I continued to avoid it, when I had no choice but to go there because of a class or another route being locked, the stress i would be in kept getting worse and worse, likewise the area in which the sense of dread and panic swept over me continued to grow.
The school I attended had two separate buildings, one for the first 3 years and another for the last 2 years, close to the end of the first 3 years the area that would trigger panic had grown to be pretty much the entire school outside of my home room, my grades suffered terribly and nobody would take me seriously, not my family doctor, not my family, not my friends.
Switching to the different building helped but by the time I had finished highschool most of the second building had become a danger zone too.

After finishing highschool i spent a year basically doing nothing of value, hit a local parks basketball court every other morning with one of the few friends i still had.
I didn't know it at the time but that first little area in my first school would go on to be a massive problem throughout my life.

I can't explain why but after that year of doing nothing of value, just wasting time ever day, I felt somewhat normal, normal enough in fact to spend 6 months living in Toronto, a completely different country, where I got into a relationship which lasted 5 years.
After those 6 months were up I went back home, with my new girlfriend, and more or less wasted my life for the remainder of our relationship, which ended in me dumping her in the midst of stress related to my father passing away.
I spent another few years wasting my life with the bubble around me getting smaller and smaller each day until I got to a point where i could barely leave my room without feeling insanely uncomfortable, and leaving the house was an impossibility, the stupid thing is the sensations i felt were physically debilitating, heart palpitations, headaches, fuzzy vision, complete loss of the ability to process calmly the world around me.

Eventually it broke the barrier of my bedroom walls in the form of being conscious of basic bodily functions such as swallowing food or liquid, i'd run to the bathroom and drink tap water randomly just to prove to myself that i could still swallow water, then id be so worked up about doing it that my heart would be pounding as i go to drink, or i'd cup the water poorly and it'd be too shallow and i'd miss-swallow and recoil from the basin, shaking with fear, i couldnt even eat normal foods because i'd focus on it and i'd struggle to get anything thicker than rice pudding down, i went from a massive 220lb (stuck in bedroom all day every day, gets you fat, in highschool i was slim!) all the way down to 170lb just from inability to swallow, while not such much a problem anymore, even to this very day i will occasionally struggle to swallow liquid or food, and have to pull myself to one side and get myself to chill out, i'll bring a bottle to my lips to drink and feel my heartbeat start pounding, then just hold it there, ready to start drinking and wait for my heart to stop fucking around and chill out so i can drink normally.

Then one day I bought a round trip ticket to Japan after watching a documentary on the suicide forest, using money I had earned from doing some crappy web design jobs.
The flight there I was clutching the seat in front of me the entire time fighting off the panic attacks and insanely powerful effects of my condition, after about 6 hours fighting it I passed out in exhaustion and didn't wake up until most of the passengers had already left and one of the stewardesses poked me to wake me up, i felt like utter shit, but after 12+ years of it, feeling like shit was so familiar I had lost sight of how it ever felt to be normal.
At immigration I damn nearly got denied entry because of my inability to not fidget, raising red flags with my profuse sweating and nail biting, I only scraped past by saying I felt sick because i'm not good at flying.
I then went and spent 2 hours sat in a toilet cubicle biting my arm with my eyes tightly shut and headphones on to drown out the realization of where I was.
I don't remember much between being sat in that toilet cubicle and arriving at the car park of the forest beyond vomiting in the coach toilet so badly that my dry heaving caused the driver to pull over and offer to call an ambulance.

I don't really want to go into what happened after that beyond saying that when you see sense and decide suicide isn't the answer, try not to be in the middle of a forest as the sun is setting, I managed to find a road the next afternoon and walk back to where the coach parking was, after my entire left foot had become a nike-air-blister.

I took a few random trains and ended up in a town called Isehara, tried finding a hotel and was told I should take a few more stops to Atsugi as it had more hotels, I even fucked that up and got off at a stop called Hon-Atsugi (not the same one), but found a hotel there anyway, spent all day inside under the covers, pillows over my face, and all night, from around 1am to people started to appear on streets at 5am just sat on the sidewalk trying to figure our what the answer was if suicide wasnt.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't just see the light and say "well no, ive decided not to take my life", a failed attempt and a shitload of pain however made me too scared to try again.

by about the 4th or 5th night, I noticed the same faces going by at the same sort of times, by the second week the feeling of panic was starting to subside and the situation felt so surreal I would just tell myself I was dreaming and the mere suggestion would push the panics aside.

One night a Japanese girl sat next to me to relax a bit, noticed I was alone and asked If i spoke English, I said yeah and we talked a little about nothing too important, and for the next few nights she would stop by and talk for a bit before going on her way, then one night she sat down and had clearly been crying, makeup down her face and such, turns out her boyfriend had been an asshole to her and they had split up, so we just sort of sat there and chilled until the streets were starting to get busy, we ended up in a Yaoiken having breakfast, the first time i had eaten something that wasnt out of the hotel vending machines.

Several years on and I still live here, with her, in a house, with a mortgage, my own car, awesome internet, all the luxuries I could ask for and a panic disorder that while not gone completely, is far enough in the back of my mind that It doesnt pose much of a problem.

I'm on antidepressants because last weekend I was in kumamoto helping local police rescue the trapped, many of the people I found were already dead, so it's played hell with my dreams and messed up my sleeping pattern.

I'm sharing this with you guys because I was once in a place where I felt death was the easy option, that anything (even death) would be better than living one more day, I even went to the trouble of concocting an extensive lie to family and friends that I was going to Australia for work and wouldn't be back for several years, then went to Japan with the hopes that i'd be able to end it in a way that nobody would feel shitty if they found me, and family would just assume I had settled into a new life and lost touch, my death would (i thought) have hurt nobody but myself.

I was in that position and yet I managed to end up here, and that's what i feel is important to share, no matter how shitty your life feels, no matter how much you feel like death is the answer to your problems, you will never know if you take that option, had i picked a stronger branch I'd likely have ended up in part of VICE's documentary, or at least my skeleton would have.
I'm still not happy in life, I doubt I will ever be, but that doesn't mean life isn't worth living, if you're ever at that point where suicide is the most appealing option, all I can say is, things can change, even if you're unable to imagine a way of how, things CAN change, so long as you don't take the suicide option.

So if someone currently living in Japan (or elsewhere) is at a point where they feel that's their only option, PM me and let me talk to you, even if you're only going to delay it a few extra days, talk to me.
If I can help a single one of you in improving your lives, even just a little bit, then I will, if in Japan I'll be more than happy to meet up and shoot the crap with you and talk it out, maybe it'll help, maybe it won't, but there's really no harm in trying right?

Sorry for the stupidly long post.
 
What a beautiful and very human story. Thank you for sharing it with us, Futaba.

Working on that rescue is a truly heroic action, although you may be having a rough time because of it. Imagine how much it means to the families to know for sure.
 
Wow, Futaba... Simply incredible in so many ways. Thank you for sharing.

On a more personal note, having a really, really emotional day today... Felt on the edge of tears all day. Hoping that tomorrow is much better since it's my first day at my new job and I really don't want to be a wreck on the first day of my new job.
 
Feeling very upset over a recent break up this evening. It's really a horrible feeling when you desperately need a hug from a friend and there is no one that can be there for you.

All my local friends have moved away now the shitty-ass town where I grew up. Thank god I'm not gonna be stuck here much longer.
 
i had no say in being born or looking the way i do, least i have some say in how i should die. when i die i dont want an afterlife i dont want to see any of my dead relatives. everyone and anything that has had a hand of me being here is my enemy. i should go to the suicide forest on tuesday. everything is so bland now. i should be taking photos but i hate photos of myself and i dont even have the urge or will. im going to go back home to a shitty life in a week, still alone as always. a monster who will always be alone. i hope every trace of me is gone, im like cancer on life, i shouldnt be here.
 
I'm still not happy in life, I doubt I will ever be, but that doesn't mean life isn't worth living, if you're ever at that point where suicide is the most appealing option, all I can say is, things can change, even if you're unable to imagine a way of how, things CAN change, so long as you don't take the suicide option.

So if someone currently living in Japan (or elsewhere) is at a point where they feel that's their only option, PM me and let me talk to you, even if you're only going to delay it a few extra days, talk to me.
If I can help a single one of you in improving your lives, even just a little bit, then I will, if in Japan I'll be more than happy to meet up and shoot the crap with you and talk it out, maybe it'll help, maybe it won't, but there's really no harm in trying right?

Sorry for the stupidly long post.

Can I ask why you're still not happy even though you've gained so much? I am not trying to prod or patronize, but trying to find insight on this. I am (admittedly) projecting somewhat because I fear even if I gained so much in life in relationships, careers, etc, I still wouldn't be happy or content. Thanks for sharing your insight though.
 
On again, off again poster here.. I thought I had left the thread behind for good, but after a bout of good luck has run out, life has decided to remind me not to get too comfortable.

CLIFF NOTES:
Laid off, took 9 years to find a FT job again, almost got divorced twice, lost our house, etc.

I posted back in January, detailing how I was going to lose the house if I couldn't find a FT job. I ended up doing so, but not in enough time to save the house. Thankfully, everyone in the family looked at it as an opportunity to make changes, improve our situation, etc.

Things that we couldn't afford for years, we could finally do. I made an appointment for the doctor for some things I've been ignoring for a while. Similarly, my wife had an outstanding issue that we've put off for years that we finally had a chance to fix.

Long story short, for years, she's been quoted $5000 or so for a dental implant. We could never afford it and bought a partial denture which keeps breaking, frustrating her, impeding her sleeping/breathing/etc. It's gotta so bad, she's looked into dental touristry and we found a place to do it for $1700 and we planned on using the taxes to make it finally happen.

She was in tears, she was so happy, as I was the only one that supported her on the idea. I showed her we could do it and that all the problems we had in the past were finally behind us.

Now, I find that the government has seized 9/10ths of our refund (presumably in relation to the foreclosure) and those plans are in disarray. She doesn't know yet and I'm dreading having to break her heart and tell her the bad news. I don't want her to think things haven't changed and that we're somehow cursed.

Luckily, she's at a sleep study tonight for her apnea and I didn't want to burden her with it.. so I'm stuck without anyone to tell this to. I'd considered her family but they might message/call her during her sleep study.

I'm just frustrated, slightly depressed (I say that because I've somehow become accustomed to stuff like this -- expecting that second shoe to drop whenever good luck happens) and hate feeling this dread at something I have to do.

I can do it, and will, but I hate disappointing her and getting her hopes up. I have a plan to make it happen still but it'll take a few months to do I think and she's at her limit I'm afraid.

Anyways, if anyone has had any experience with dental tourism, I'd appreciate a PM or advice.

Thanks for letting me get this out.
 
Despair and anxiety build up too much today

I decide to choke myself to the point I vomit. really painfull but slighly make me feel better.

To think i have to take extreme method is just......

At this point I distrust anyone at same time still hoping there is someone that i can really trusted to talk
 
Kind of had a rough weekend. OCD was very aggressive despite my best efforts to deal with it. My mind just would not shut off, and I found myself incapable of dealing with it properly despite my best efforts. As such, I was more than a little frustrated. I seem to have so little tolerance for my disorder nowadays. Even when it's not really that bad, at least compared to my past episodes, it really irritates me and affects my happiness and ability to function and focus. I'm still unsure as to what exactly made things so bad this weekend. It was most likely a combination of factors, some of which I can certainly address, and will endeavor to do so in the future.

I'm in the 'home stretch' so to speak with OCD. Through therapy and my own personal efforts, I have reached a point where i'm in the process of 'letting go', as in breaking away from my obsessions as much as realistically possible. It's incredibly difficult, but I know it's the only way i'll ever truly be 'free' from this disorder. It feels like i'm fighting against my own nature. I sometimes feel so trapped within the framework of this disorder; as though i'm incapable of 'seeing' things from a rational, outside perspective. Regardless, this is the hand I have been dealt. I have made it this far, and I will make it past this phase as well.

Best of luck to everyone, stay strong
 
Futaba,
I would read a whole novel of your experiences, thanks for sharing.

On related news, just like many here have expressed, while I haven't found complete bliss and happiness, I have found ways to be better. Meditation has been a life changer for me, it's pretty much excercise for depression. Learning to shut off the nasty thought faucet. Sometimes it slips, I bet it will slip here and there for the rest of my life, but I'm better this year than last. Stay strong brothers and sisters, I have loved you all through your stories.
 
On related news, just like many here have expressed, while I haven't found complete bliss and happiness, I have found ways to be better. Meditation has been a life changer for me, it's pretty much excercise for depression. Learning to shut off the nasty thought faucet. Sometimes it slips, I bet it will slip here and there for the rest of my life, but I'm better this year than last. Stay strong brothers and sisters, I have loved you all through your stories.

I'm also getting into meditation. I try to practice most mornings before work. I'm slowly becoming capable of meditating for longer periods of time. It's definitely a good way to start the day, and is contributing to my ability to 'shut off' when I need it the most.
 
Can I ask why you're still not happy even though you've gained so much? I am not trying to prod or patronize, but trying to find insight on this. I am (admittedly) projecting somewhat because I fear even if I gained so much in life in relationships, careers, etc, I still wouldn't be happy or content. Thanks for sharing your insight though.
I hurt a lot of people while I was ill, treated the girlfriends I was with fairly badly, she was an amazing person and put in so much time and effort to help me and I gave so little back in return.

At the same time, while my illness got pushed to the back of my mind, it's never really completely gone, I feel a twinge of panic now and then and the fear of returning to who I was floods over me like a tsunami, I am also struggling with self image due to weight (not massive, but not a weight I feel happy at either), I know I should feel thankfully to have gained so much, and I really do, but the reminders that I could lose it all at the drop of a hat make it hard to fully enjoy.

Most notably, I'd really like to have a child, but the fear of a relapse and being unable to be a reliable, caring parent and provide for my family scares me so much.

Despite all of that though, I'm still glad II didn't succeed all those years ago and that I ended up where I am today, while by no means perfect its enough to keep my mind off of the darker thoughts.

All I really want to say to people in a really bad way is, find someone who feels the same and try your best to help them, in doing so you'll find new reasons to continue your own life and maybe even find a way to be happy. Even if things aren't perfect, "better than they were" is a fine second prize.

There's always light at the end of the tunnel as long as you keep pushing forward, regardless of whether that be the full force of the blazing sun, or the gentle flicker of a single candle, anything that pushes the darkness away, even just a little, should be cherished and protected, and the smaller that light, the more it needs to be protected to keep on pushing the darkness away.
Even if you only find candles, so long as you respect and protect those candles, you'll eventually find peace in life.
 
I hurt a lot of people while I was ill, treated the girlfriends I was with fairly badly, she was an amazing person and put in so much time and effort to help me and I gave so little back in return.

At the same time, while my illness got pushed to the back of my mind, it's never really completely gone, I feel a twinge of panic now and then and the fear of returning to who I was floods over me like a tsunami, I am also struggling with self image due to weight (not massive, but not a weight I feel happy at either), I know I should feel thankfully to have gained so much, and I really do, but the reminders that I could lose it all at the drop of a hat make it hard to fully enjoy.

Most notably, I'd really like to have a child, but the fear of a relapse and being unable to be a reliable, caring parent and provide for my family scares me so much.

Despite all of that though, I'm still glad II didn't succeed all those years ago and that I ended up where I am today, while by no means perfect its enough to keep my mind off of the darker thoughts.

All I really want to say to people in a really bad way is, find someone who feels the same and try your best to help them, in doing so you'll find new reasons to continue your own life and maybe even find a way to be happy. Even if things aren't perfect, "better than they were" is a fine second prize.

There's always light at the end of the tunnel as long as you keep pushing forward, regardless of whether that be the full force of the blazing sun, or the gentle flicker of a single candle, anything that pushes the darkness away, even just a little, should be cherished and protected, and the smaller that light, the more it needs to be protected to keep on pushing the darkness away.
Even if you only find candles, so long as you respect and protect those candles, you'll eventually find peace in life.

I guess that makes sense and something that resonates. I mean, you have come a long way and I think fear of losing that is only natural. It really drives home the point of being in the now because we take everything for granted and it's a habit that needs to be broken (even if it rears it smugly fucking head from time to time).
 
I feel so depressed since two years. Everything was started with one girl. I was chubby, nerd guy who never had relationship and who was scared to talk with girls. One day that girl came up and talked with me and my world completely changed. Actually I was so happy before. I had my first times with her etc. But then I realized that she used me emotionally because she didn't had bf for years. After that I lost more than 20 kg's at all. I get over her but it is not ended.

Whenever I talk with new girl, I am being so anxious and obsessive. I can't focus on ANYTHING. I try to play game, watch movie but I keep looking my cell for messages while I try to play or watch. The whole of things are happening again because I am talking with that new girl for a week. I can't keep myself being anxious and obsessive.

Basic example here, she texted me that she is in police department for something(must be about nationality) and I asked her whats happened and she didn't replied for more than hours. I dont know if it looks like normal thing from outside but I am getting crazy inside of me. I am so obsessive and I can't help myself. I get addicted to persons and I care about them so easily. I am overthinking about them. That makes me feel so depressive. I mean it. I always thinking about my desperate future or dying. I don't want to suicide but I want to die. Friends are always telling that at least I am healthy or I have family that supporting me but that doesn't helps me.

I really don't know what to do. Human relationships are so frustrating.
 
Unfortunately not everyone gets a happy ending and I'm definitely one of those people. I think I will finally give up. As simple as my dream is I know it's impossible for me to achieve.
 
What's the dream?
What's the point. if anything I wish I could go back in time and tell myself no it doesn't get better and I would have killed myself and avoided this life so now I will have to commit to suicide. Maybe it's best. Some people win and people like me remain losers alone in life. I've failed in life I admit it. Whatever higher being or whatever is out there I give up. If any wish can be granted I'd like to die in my sleep rather than have to physically do it but if that's the trial I must pass to be free from being this monster than so be it.
 
What's the point. if anything I wish I could go back in time and tell myself no it doesn't get better and I would have killed myself and avoided this life so now I will have to commit to suicide. Maybe it's best. Some people win and people like me remain losers alone in life

You're doing this to yourself though. You make it seem like there is some mystical force putting you down, but it's you. You can't honestly believe that this constant negative tone of yours hasn't had an effect. I know I sound harsh, but it's only because I'm also pretty hard on myself and I'm aware of how it's held me back from the very things I used to complain about not being able to achieve.
 
Had an awesome first day at work!
All my coworkers are super cool.
The highlight of my day though was actually meeting the girl whose position I took who came in to visit (I guess she's really close with all the people who work there). Anyways, me and her hit it off instantly. She was super cool. She's engaged, but she wants to set me up with her sister. Haha
That especially made me feel pretty giddy. Both the hitting it off with someone instantly and having a super fun conversation and having her want to set me up with her sister. I still feel super smiley. Good day.
 
Had an awesome first day at work!
All my coworkers are super cool.
The highlight of my day though was actually meeting the girl whose position I took who came in to visit (I guess she's really close with all the people who work there). Anyways, me and her hit it off instantly. She was super cool. She's engaged, but she wants to set me up with her sister. Haha
That especially made me feel pretty giddy. Both the hitting it off with someone instantly and having a super fun conversation and having her want to set me up with her sister. I still feel super smiley. Good day.

Heck yeah! Go get 'em, Kipp!
 
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