Mental Health |OT| Depression & Co.

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I've rewritten this post 5 times now, trying to make it more concise and more helpful than my usual rambling.

I write a lot of posts that I end up deleting instead of posting. There are a lot of reasons for that. With my last few, sharing about being in a better place, I debated even more than usual whether or not to say anything. As the guy whose name is on the OP, I wanted to have some kind of hopeful message about getting better, but I honestly do worry about people resenting me for having things go well. I love my friends so much for the way we celebrate each others recovery. I love that sense that we are all in it together and what we want, more than anything, is to see each other healthy and happy. It sucks to think anyone would see me out having a nice dinner with my wife, smiling, and hate me for it. So much went into getting to where I am now, and so much goes into trying to just be okay, every second of every day.

You already mentioned how destructive bitterness and anger towards other peoples lives can be, Hermii. It drives people away and makes you avoid them in turn. It really is an awful cycle. When that bitterness starts to really set in, I think the need for professional help is especially pressing.

I don't think I ever got particularly bitter, despite always knowing people who had things I desperately wanted and either could not do/get or ended up losing because of depression. What helped me was that, in being open about my struggles, I found that people were often open with me in turn. I very quickly learned that everyone I knew was struggling with things I did not know about. Often, the things they struggled with were the last things I would ever guess. I'm sure there are people leading effortlessly cheerful, fulfilling lives, but I certainly don't know them.

There is this weird thing where my ideas of who I am are so deeply ingrained, I am completely shocked to find people see me completely the opposite way. I have terrible eyesight. Like, appallingly bad. But I've worn contacts since the end of high school, so almost no one I know knows this about me. I've become way more extroverted in the past 5 years or so, and I am still weirded out that my friends from this community do not believe me when I talk about how painfully shy I have always been.

The absolute weirdest thing happened in the last year or so. My coworkers all see me as this super upbeat, cheerful guy. People do not know that I lived with basically untreatable depression for over a decade, and it's basically only come under any kind of control very, very recently. If I tell people this, they don't really seem to believe me. I have learned to be more upbeat specifically as a defense against my depression. I can understand how you cannot see that unless you know me very well, and have for a long time.

So I guess I'd say that 1) people's situations are generally not quite what they seem (especially on a place like facebook where we are all more inclined to play up the best parts of our lives) and I really think most people are struggling with things you don't know about. 2) we all want to be cheered on in our victories over mental illness, large and small. The better I get at seeing the good in other people and celebrating their successes, the kinder I learn to be to myself. 3) I know how completely unrealistic something like having a job you like can be when you are very depressed. But things can turn around in really unexpected ways. I've worked so hard at my recovery, but the things that really helped me get in a position to be able to apply for this job, and then that helped me get it, were these smaller things that I did not think were very important at the time. All these tiny little things added up to something way bigger. 4) the absolute biggest thing for me was finding a mental health community that, much as we hated and/or hate ourselves, always wants each other to get better. I love the people in here who are really cheering people on, but it's something we could do better at. 5) for almost everybody, happiness means being around people. We need friends and partners and role models and on and on. We need people. When you find that the happiness of others really pisses you off, that is massively unhealthy and unsustainable. You've got to get out of that mindset - therapy, meds, talking to the people you actually can stand right now, reading - whatever it takes, you cannot get stuck in that mental place.

Hi Bagels! Thanks for this reply!!

Its not a constant thing and I dont feel like that all the time. I been a lot better the last few days than I was when i wrote that post. Even when I feel like that I know its me who has problems and not everyone else. Its like the bitterness and anger works like a protective barrier from all the grief, shame, sorrow and more complex, painful emotions that lies underneath.

I been doing a lot of yoga lately, my favourite yoga instructor at my gym came back from India a while ago. She is really a special kind of human being, it may be what buddhists call enlightenment its hard to explain what it is. Reminds me a little of Dalai Lama. Kind of the opposite of depression. It helps to see her regularly.

And you are right I need to find a way to meet more people and be around more people regularly. Maybe a mental health community like you said is a good idea if I can find one.

I wish you and your family a great week!
 
I've been having some problems lately with things. I've had problems in the past I couldn't handle. Lately the problems I've been having has impacted my school studies so I've decided to see professionals. So wish me luck on the road to dealing with medical professionals.
 
You're doing this to yourself though. You make it seem like there is some mystical force putting you down, but it's you. You can't honestly believe that this constant negative tone of yours hasn't had an effect. I know I sound harsh, but it's only because I'm also pretty hard on myself and I'm aware of how it's held me back from the very things I used to complain about not being able to achieve.

if i am doing this to myself then i really am my worse enemy. feeling completely drained and down from yesterday. today i cannot even leave my room. if its an outside source or internally the case remains to stop this i need to die from this world. i know everything in life and this world hates me so its best for me to get out of the way.
 
A day at a time.

Thanks for relating. I did not read this whole thread, but did you post your situation, or would direct me to it? Or like to share? Often I forget there are others in the same (or similar) boat. I know there are, it's just hard to see in day to day life. Most of my friends abandoned me at diagnosis. A few stayed...that is to say, didn't refuse contact or try to avoid me. I also suffer from fear of abandonment, so I tend to push people away before they can get too close as a defense mechanism, that is if my anger doesn't drive them away first.

Just relating is good enough, and I thank you for doing so. I'm trying to work on my attitude but it's not improving unfortunately. My hate at the world is nothing more than a projection of hate at myself. It's anger, and it turns into a vicious cycle. I hate the world, I see it reciprocate in kind, and this in turn feeds into my hate. I've tried to go to anger therapy sessions recommended by my therapist, and these programs don't even scratch the surface. Not to belittle others' issues, but I'm sitting there and people are talking about not being able to deal when someone drives too slow or that cuts them off. My anger's not just day to day aggravations, it's murderous to my core, and I'm lost as to where to even begin to approach or penetrate it. I suppose forgiveness will have to be it. I never realized how much strength it really takes to forgive, and I don't think I'll be able to. I'm not the bigger man, at least not presently.

Anyway, thanks again, and take care.

I tend to burn through friends pretty quickly. If it's an impossible situation for me to deal with, the people I befriend have to deal with it in some ways too (especially on the mental end) and it can be too much for them. The people I'm closest to have stuck around (often persistently) but I feel very guilty of that because I'm just getting worse and worse and have increasingly little to offer except being a burden.

Yeah, that anger I can understand. I don't deal with it often just because I'm so rarely around other people (I spend 99.5% of my time by myself), mostly by choice. I'm usually in too much pain to socialize. I do know that I feel rage when people are bitching about their colds or something else that really isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things. They have no fucking idea.

As for me, I've written it up before but I have no way of knowing where that post is so I'll just work on it throughout the day (as my pain allows). Plus, it'll allow me to get into much more detail.

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Aside from some fatigue, concentration difficulties (diagnosed as ADD) and transient irritable bowel, my health was mostly stable growing up (although I later learned these were actually early symptoms of what would become my illness once it triggered). I did my thing and started college as a composer (later switching to piano as I had been playing since I was 5 and loved it). This was the happiest period of my life, without any doubt. In the beginning of my fourth year there (late 2002), I started to notice shoulder pain but mostly ignored it because I just assumed I was sore due to the stress I was under (preparing for my senior recital). In early 2013, I started to experience arm and finger pain, which was terrifying because I needed both of those for my major. I was also getting back and leg pain. None of this was severe (yet) but it was becoming a serious concern. The day of my senior recital, the finger pain was so bad that I was worried I wouldn't be able to perform but I took a warm bath, hoped for the best and I'm guessing adrenaline got me through it because it was the happiest night of my life. I don't think anything will ever top it.

Over that summer (I still had one semester left in late 2003 because I took less credits my fourth year and needed to make those up), my symptoms continued to worsen. Random headaches, fatigue, pain all over the body. I got through that final semester just barely (GPA dropped from an average 3.9 to a 2.5) because I couldn't type any longer and had to use speech recognition software to write out papers (when I was capable of doing this at all). Those four months are mostly a blur now. I only made it through because my mom insisted that I graduate, that if I didn't now, I never would. She was right. I remember crying in the car of who was at that time my best friend. I remember having such a bad headache in Advanced Analysis that I couldn't concentrate on what my teacher was saying. I remember the brace that was around my left arm at all times. I remember the chair of the department walking up to me and asking what I was going to do next and I told her I didn't know, lifting my braced arm up. She was like, "Okay" and then walked away. Five months before, she had offered me a job as lead pianist for the singers there. I was unable to take piano lessons or fulfill the requirements for my sole performance class and the only way I got through them was because my teachers took pity on me. Every other class I had was non-music because that's all the credits I had left and I hated all of them.

During this time, I went from doctor to doctor and no one could figure out what was wrong with me. I tried a lot of various drugs, none really touching the pain and some with really bad side effects. As far as painkillers goes, I wasn't given anything stronger than naproxen. It didn't help. I would drive out to my home town (thirty miles away) every week to get a massage from a really lovely woman out there. It helped to a certain extent but she eventually moved away. In retrospect, I think she knew what was wrong with me (the nodules and bumps of my illness are fairly obvious to someone used to what healthy muscles feel like) but just didn't have the heart to say anything.

The next three years were very unpleasant as I continued to slowly deteriorate. I didn't really do much. The depression and grief got really, really bad. I missed my friends from college (who all moved on after graduation), I missed my work, I missed school, I missed my health and I've never handled life without a schedule very well (I'm autistic) so having nothing to do each day just wreaked havoc on my mental health. I have a vivid memory of being in my old apartment, completely manic, just throwing shit around. My mom was there and looked terrified. She called the police on me at one point, who had their hands on their holsters the entire time because they walked in while I was cutting a grapefruit. I refused to speak to her in the hospital, I was so angry. I had lost all hope and I still had no idea what was wrong with me.

My arm and finger pain went away in 2004 and for the most part has remained that way, which allowed me to continue playing the piano on occasion. The other symptoms made it difficult to do this for longer periods of time. I did do a couple of shorter recitals for friends and in 2006, started working an hour or two a week as a favor to a friend of mine, who needed a pianist for voice lessons she was taking. I got to know the teachers of the studio very well and considered them my mentors. I think I was mostly able to get away with this work because I was only needed for the last thirty minutes of each hour block and spent the first half sprawled out on their couch. I didn't get paid much ($15, later upped to $25 an hour) and the drive to and from was often as long as I was working but it got me out of the house and at least engaged in music again so I didn't mind.

Around this time, I finally got a diagnosis, of fibromyalgia. Unfortunately, this didn't help me much because there's no cure and the only treatments are symptom management, which I had already tried back in 2003 with the array of drugs. I was also starting to realize what a controversial diagnosis this is, as I had friends tell me they didn't believe it was a real illness and that it was all in my head. Ten years ago, doctors sometimes believed this too, although this has been changing with more research coming in. Invisible illnesses can be very devastating in this way, as you LOOK fine but inside, you feel like you're dying. The only way I could convey to people I was having a bad day was to tell them and I dreaded the judgement and hated whining so I mostly kept my mouth shut and tried to power through as best as possible.

In late 2006, I stumbled across an experimental treatment that claimed to reverse the disease. Like everyone with a chronic illness, I've come across sham cures and even had friends and family members tell me about some new treatment that had "saved" someone, only to be inevitably disappointed so I stopped bothering. Doing my research on it, I discovered a few things. One, it failed its double blind test (due to errors made) so it's controversial but there was also pretty clear evidence that it has helped people, from Amazon reviews (on the book) to a Usenet group dedicated to the treatment, with people posting for help, provided by the doctor's nurse and some other volunteers, who are now much more functional due to the drug. In fact, aside from my mom and my oldest friend, Bob, I haven't told *anyone* about this chapter of my illness, mostly because I feared sneers and judgement. Now I just don't give a fuck anymore.

I bought the book, read it and was fascinated because the opening chapter basically described me to a tee, the way the illness manifests itself. It was actually eerie to read. It also quashed one of my last suspicions, that it was a moneymaker for the doctor who created it. The drug is a generic now (guaifenesin) and the book was specifically written to get this information out to people who were unable to come see him. He has treated thousands of patients and thus, had a startling amount of information on the illness, far more than any other doctor I worked with had.

I flew out to him in December of 2006 because while I could have done this myself, I wanted to meet the man (in his late 80s now and still in practice) and get mapped, a process where someone runs fingers down your body and marks on a piece of paper the parts of muscles, tendons and ligaments that have swollen and bumpy sections. This makes it much easier to observe physical signs of progress. My first map showed 66, an incredibly high amount for someone my age. He looked at me and told me that I was "a very sick man." It was really the first time that any doctor acknowledged that for me and I cried openly. My mom was there and also cried. Within one months on the proper dosage, you have an idea of whether it's working because your thighs completely clear but due to monetary concerns, I was only able to return three months later. When he told me my body map was down to 42 swollen sections, I wept like a baby. Finally, there was some hope.

Over the course of the next three years, I steadily improved. I didn't really start to notice a difference until late 2007, although my maps were continually improving. In total, I returned to LA to see this doctor 16 times. Expensive but worth it. In early 2008, I did my first major gig in years (pianist in a musical). By mid-2008, I was working at my old college part time. I also increased the hours I was working at the voice teacher's studio. In 2009, I opened myself up fully to business and started taking on a bunch of freelance gigs, often working for people and singers I didn't like but they paid me well. I was charging $40 an hour by this time and people were gladly paying it for my services. In 2010, I took a bunch of trips, including twice to New York City, which I adored. I have a good memory of being in Eastern Washington during my 30th birthday, visiting members of who are basically my second family. They made me a cake. It was so delicious that it took a little of the exhaustion out of the drive I had to make to get there (five hours).

In late 2010, my latest map showed that some nodules had reformed in my back and shoulders. I hadn't noticed any change in symptoms so I was shocked and worried. He rose my dose, I returned in early 2011, they had vanished again and I breathed a sigh of relief. Sometimes this happens, he told me. The cytochrome system can be vicious. I continued with my life.

In July of 2011, while back in Eastern Washington, I got hit by a wave of pain. It was the worst I had felt since 2007. I struggled through the next couple of months, experiencing periods of feeling ill alternating with periods where I feel fine (common in the early stages of the illness). I did a big production in August but I remember being very ill-tempered during it. I was able to return to Los Angeles in October and my map showed that a few areas were better and a few others were worse. The doctor rose my dose further.

I continued to deteriorate. Pain was increasing, fatigue was worsening. The good days were lessening, the flares were getting longer. I continued to see the doc throughout 2012 and while I wasn't getting significantly worse (according to the maps), I wasn't improving either and my symptoms made that very clear. I held out for as long as I could, my work schedule getting increasingly cut down until I finally retired for good in June of 2012. The back and shoulder pain made it impossible to sit at the piano long enough to do my job. It was devastating. I can't even describe what that felt like. One of the worst parts was how my colleagues all abandoned me once I was no longer of use to them as a musician. I had to do some judicious pruning on Facebook because they continued doing their work and I couldn't stand reading about them doing what I desperately wanted to do. My eventual plan was to cut back on freelance stuff (because all the driving was taking up a lot of time and the wear and tear on my shitty '93 Ford Escort was significant) and find a full-time job at a school or college. This never happened because I didn't feel ready yet. Retiring the first time in 2003 was hard enough but having gotten it all back and then having to retire again? It was my dream career, the love of my life. The grief started then and has only worsened with time as I've lost more and more.

I continued to return to the doc every several months until the last time, in March of 2014. The maps showed I was either standing still or I was worsening a bit. We experimented with dosages. He even had me try a different brand. I was losing hope again. Things were getting really bad. By mid-2013, I was alternating very severe flares with periods that were still painful but at least tolerable. Since then, I've noted each new symptom as it has started and then never goes away. July 2013, foot pain. November 2013, scalp achiness and tingling. Hip pain increasing as well. August 2014, debilitating fatigue, where I can barely lift my head. Thigh pain and shoulder pain has also gotten much worse by this time. January 2015, increased sensitivity of extremities, where just lightly touching my skin hurts. Also increased eye soreness, periods where they're both red, blurriness of vision. I got this looked at and the eye doctor said nothing was wrong. March 2015, numbness in my big toes and occasionally, fingers. April 2015: Transient ear pain (may be connected to TMJ, which is also bad). September 2015: Ears extremely sensitive to certain pitches. I had to change my text message notification because it caused me pain. This started out occasional and is now every day. Eyes also sensitive to light, which forces me to put on sunglasses whenever I'm outside. Random itching all over the body. Throbbing in skin, often on the face. February 2016: Scalp pain has been gradually increasing for the last few years but it becomes extremely severe starting in February. The pain can be so bad that I'm crying. I'm guessing that it's referred pain from the back of my neck, which has also been getting worse, to the point where it can be difficult to move it. Just last week, I've noticed that I no longer can stay asleep longer than eight hours (and even then, I wake up multiple times). Before, I liked to sleep twelve so that I'm awake as little as possible. Also new, when I wake up, my hands are frequently numb and tingling.

In late 2013, I added a primary care doctor to my treatment, because I wanted to experiment with more "conventional" treatments for fibro. Just like ten years ago, these all failed or just made me feel worse. For a while, the strongest painkiller I was given was tramadol (ineffective) and I got an occasional supply of Vicodin, thirty pills every six months. I'd fight for this more but Vicodin isn't much more effective. If I'm lucky, it'll drop my pain from a 9 down to an 8 but still doesn't make me particularly functional. Running out of options, she had me try medical marijuana, which just made me feel loopy and anxious. It had little impact on my pain, although it does make me care less about it. I could go further on the painkiller scale, try methadone, oxy, that type of stuff but I question my ability to get them, given how restrictive narcotics have gotten lately. The side effects are worse, I doubt it'll affect my pain enough to make a big difference and I don't want to be dependent on those drugs, with dosages having to be gradually increased as my symptoms continue to worsen. I'm currently on an antidepressant (Wellbutrin), take two trazodone for sleep and the occasional Vicodin (or two).

The effects on my mental health in the last five years have been devastating. I had to give up everything that made life living for, one thing at a time. The chance to fall in love, career, the ability to travel and see the world, a whole bunch of friendships. My best friend at the time dumped me without explanation in late 2013, something which I've never recovered from. Other less closer friends have drifted away as I've been unable to hang out with them in person. Online friends are easier to maintain but I'm finding myself with much less energy to do so. The loneliness is frequently crippling as textual communication methods aren't as fulfilling as seeing someone in front of you.

I am now completely debilitated. Up until 2015, I was at least able to devour entertainment but starting in 2016, I'm barely able to game and my television watching has dropped dramatically because I can't really concentrate on what's happening. I've mostly mentioned the pain aspects of the illness but it also has a severe effect on the brain, especially cognitive abilities. My short-term memory is completely shot, I frequently space out in the middle of a conversation, I go through periods where I can't focus on reading (I've given up on longer books) and so on. It is exceedingly unlikely that I'll survive past 2016. Hell, I'm not even sure if I'll survive the next few months. I'm in so much pain that I go extended periods without food because I can't even go to the grocery store. With this rate of progression, I'd have to move out and back in with my mom, which will make a very bad situation even worse. She and I don't really bounce well off each other and seeing her desperation every day to what I'm going through would destroy both of us.

It's a circle without end. Or at least only one possible end. I deeply regret the effect my death will have on my mom. She'll be crushed, even if I think she'll understand. Her only other child is schizophrenic and lives by herself in an assisted living facility. Our family history is one tragedy after another. Mom has her own chronic pain issues (and also fibromyalgia, although not nearly as severe as mine. I likely inherited it from her). I also have a lot of friends, a lot of people who love me. I'm very aware that I'll leave a great deal of pain in my wake. It kills me that I won't be there for their big life moments but the way this is heading, I wouldn't be able to be there anyway. Kinda hard to show up to a wedding when you can't get out of bed.

I just want people to remember me as I was, so many years ago. Not this shell of a person that I am now. Thanks for reading, if you managed to make it all the way through my life story.
 
Thank you for sharing your story, jb. I don't even want to think of what that may have cost you in terms of pain or mental effort to stay focused long enough to finish telling it, but I appreciate the effort.
 
For those of you with depression, what's your decision process for talking about it with others, or not talking about it? I feel like mentioning it to casual aqcuaintenses would unduly burden them, even closer people for that matter (though they have a tendency to figure it out eventually anyway). At the same time, I wonder if it would be cathartic.
 
@jb1234


Thank you for taking the time and effort to share, and yes, I read all of it. I don't know what to say to that much myself except that I'm incredibly sorry and sad that you've had to deal with so much for so long. I'm a little familiar with Fibro, but had no idea it could get as bad as what you're dealing with.

Just a question: are you completely against the prospect of Oxycontin or a high-dose narcotic? Possibly a morphine drip? I read that they are generally not RxD for fibro, but your case sounds very extreme. Oxy's very potent and time-released so the relief lasts for 8 hours or so, whereas Vicodin generally only lasts for a few hours at most. It helped with my tumor pain (which was caused by it surrounding the main nerve branch to the left arm). If you're in such debilitating pain as to be barely able to function and don't believe you can live much longer due to it, I don't see any harm in giving it a try as a last resort. It may grant you the ability to live somewhat of a "normal" existence, and trust me....it helps with sleep if you want to sleep more than 8 hours. I once slept for literally a week straight, Monday through Friday night, only waking up every 8 hours to take my next dose and deal with the bodily necessities.

About sham cures, thank you. It is very, very easy for the healthy to come up to you and suggest their miracle cures. "Just a drop of it on the skin every 12 hours!" "Just eat only carrots!". "Use this cream!". I can't tell you how many snakeoil salesmen I've had during my illness, and to make it worse, they always seem to pass judgement when it (predictably) fails to work or if you don't take their infinite wisdom immediately to heart. These people are usually always the healthy, and they always know what's best. It's insulting, as they appear to think that just by virtue of being healthy, they believe they've done something right, and people like you and I, have not. There's a degree of insinuation, patronizing, and condescension at play, and worse, it's always subtly and passively suggested. Never explicit. When the truth is, sometimes it's just rotten fucking luck. On my end, having had chemo for so many years, more than a few during that time essentially claimed me a fool for falling into the trap of pharmaceutical companies paying doctors under the table to pump poison into my veins to their profit. A big conspiracy theory. To say nothing of the fact that, hey, it actually saved my life (it shrunk my tumor to the size of a large egg). If these people mean well.....then they best keep their damn mouths shut. Perhaps one day it will be their lives on the line and they will have to put their money where their mouth is. Let's see them stick to their principles when it's their life at stake.

For what it's worth, I wish I could be there for you better than on just a forum throwing out platitudes. My heart goes out to you, there's nothing that makes people deserve such chronic torment as you've endured. But again, try looking into stronger opiates if you can. I realize that's shitty, blanket advice, but I can testify as being on a significant dose for many years (and someone familiar with the constant drain, fatigue, and misery chronic pain brings) that they have their uses. I don't know about the other pain meds you mentioned, but don't underestimate Oxycontin. It is exceptionally powerful. I understand your reservations but if you honestly don't think you're going to make it much longer, what've you to lose? It sounds like you have a lot to offer, you still seem to hold out hope, and enjoy life when your health affords it. Heavy opiates may not fix things, but they could (hopefully) help bring some semblance of function back into your life.

Try to keep holding on, please. You sound like a really great guy and I wish we could laugh at the absurdity of it all over a few beers. Sometimes all we can do is laugh, as there's no ryhme or reason. :) Feel free to PM me anytime if you need to vent.
 
For those of you with depression, what's your decision process for talking about it with others, or not talking about it? I feel like mentioning it to casual aqcuaintenses would unduly burden them, even closer people for that matter (though they have a tendency to figure it out eventually anyway). At the same time, I wonder if it would be cathartic.

I dont talk about it with others. Mainly because the issue causing my depression would completely destroy my personal and professional life if revealed.
 
Doctor won't write note about suffering Paxil withdrawal, saying there's no scientific basis, at least for what I suffered at work (increased agitation where I lost my temper.) Is this normal? I already was losing it and called a suicide line because I felt like I was backed into a corner in life with no one that can help me, but I'm wondering if it's normal for doctors to refuse to write notes about suffering SSRI withdrawals or if I'm just being a whiny brat unwilling to face the consequences for what he did (which was slam a hand down and shouting.)
 
Hi.
I was banned last year.
I forget why, but I think it was 'coz I kept making dramaqueen threads.

My health has continued to get worse, though I finally found a pill that let's me sleep.
I was hospitalized three or four times in the last year, one time for when I was homeless, but only for a few days as my very kind boss took me in until I found a place.
I let him down as I had difficulty with coworkers and commute so I moved to another job at a very difficult fine-tuning restaurant where I had a lot of trouble meeting people, though I met a few kind folks.
I lasted for about three months, and then I stayed in my apt. wandering, listening to my favorite songs, eating milk and Oj, candy as I have a very difficult time deciding what to eat from a mix of eating disorder, depression, and OCD, I think.
Still, I resent eating this food, a lot of things I can figure out a solution to I continue with as they are, then get mad, and when I get mad, I think less about dying, as if anger keeps people alive, or if I'm extremely frustrated, or if I can't concentrate, I'll cut myself and be able to continue with work, life. The pill I take has alleviated some of these urges, or the feelings that prompt them, and sometimes I feel nothing, and so tired, clinging to the pole on the bus, my headphones loud enough to be painful, and I'm struggling not to fall off and sleep, with no feeling at all, and it feels sort of cool, but the feeling so quickly leaves, and I'm alone again.
I've tried to make friends and it doesn't work, I guess I'm sort of misplaced, I was great at school but always falling asleep, now I cook, and I forgot how to think over the ten or so years of cooking and dishes, I've forgotten how to speak, and it's hard for me to shout, I'm not really fit but I have no choice, I wish I could lock up this Youth.-I'm 26- as it's the only irrational hope I can have. I sit in cafes before work, trying to read and write, but I have trouble caring at all, ko one cares what I know, no one cares about me, and I think this is some narcissism, and I have no idea What ever want,maybe just autonomy, maybe not to be seen and to be alone.
I think seeing people makes me feel like I did as a kid, where I can talk to someone like a teacher and they'll be amazed by what I know, or a woman will hug me for no reason, not looking at me, judging me, as I judge her, and I'm so disgusted and ashamed of myself, I want love but I could never possess, I think I may be asexual and only like the romance, getting close., I realize I need to be taken care of and I can't, as a man, as me, expect that from anyone.
My mood swings are getting so bad, and I'm always more and more tired, I want to live for my little brother, my dog,and my parents, they're all I have, but I can't keep doing what is asked of me to survive, to see the world, to be able to dream of a future, and people say I have a choice, but I go to the toughest job like someone goes to the toughest college, I've never had a choice, I'm getting too tired to stand-up straight and just continue, I'm only getting older.
I hate to end on an embarassing note, But I'm all embarrassment actually, I went to carve fucked in my arm, after I started to realize I was hearing people say bad things about me when they weren't, as I have such a negative opinion of myself and my hearing is going I interpreted misheard things, and all my confusion, my lack of sleep, the missing of my life, I walked to a college where I would cry and sing along a path at night, and ended up only writing fuck, which I think is okay, and I got 31stitches for it.
I'm not going to post much, I have been struggling, I can't think of anything nice to say ever, or I can say superficial comments and hate myself for them, and I recently read a struggle in Yale or Harvard where they asked people to write after thinking about their own death, and the people did, and then they were asked to write again, from a position of power, something changed, and they feared death less, and if they wrote about their memories, they also feared death less, and I think that is interesting considering I'm trapped in my memories and feel completely powerless.
Also, I live in provided housing now for work, and my roomate was getting drunk and harassing me, grabbing my dick, feeling on my butt, and climbing on my back, Until I got really scared when he hit me, then I hit him back, and he seemed to like it.
The next day I felt absolute disgust in his presence and I cried, I wanted to leave but I can't.
Now he's valued down as I talked to the boss, but I don't know, I'm so tired, I wish I could just be done, there's nothing I want to do or see, and the one girl I liked can only pretend to care about me, but I'm completely unsure if I Can love anyway.
Thanks for listening, i don't edit due to low self-confidence, sorry.
 
@jb1234


Thank you for taking the time and effort to share, and yes, I read all of it. I don't know what to say to that much myself except that I'm incredibly sorry and sad that you've had to deal with so much for so long. I'm a little familiar with Fibro, but had no idea it could get as bad as what you're dealing with.

It can get very, very, very bad. There's a few high profile cases, like several women who sought out Kevorkian in the mid-90s (and got euthanized). Also, this case: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...icide-of-wife-to-prove-it-was-not-murder.html

It's not generally labeled as progressive in the medical community but what they mean is that it doesn't noticeably affect your vital organs. I haven't talked to a single person yet who hasn't found themselves getting worse with time, piling on more symptoms. It's just a difference of how severe it is to begin with, which seems to be genetically based.

Just a question: are you completely against the prospect of Oxycontin or a high-dose narcotic?

I'm not. It's just hard to get those stronger drugs for fibro. Without any lab tests that confirm an illness, it's very easy for people to believe that you're just a drug seeker. I got labeled that once when I went to the ER due to pain. That was a great night. Lowering the pain to a manageable level would make a difference, for sure although it's not close to my only symptom. The fatigue can be just as bad (doctors are starting to come around to the idea that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia are either the same illness or very closely related. One of my aunts has CFS and later also got diagnosed with fibro once the pain started to increase).

But I'd rather live than die and I agree with you that I should try them before I take more drastic measures. It may at least buy some time. Did you notice any side effects on the stronger opiates? Loopiness or more fatigue?

Try to keep holding on, please. You sound like a really great guy and I wish we could laugh at the absurdity of it all over a few beers. Sometimes all we can do is laugh, as there's no ryhme or reason. :) Feel free to PM me anytime if you need to vent.

I'll drink a beer in your honor. Thanks for reading, dude. I'm hoping that your situation improves too.
 
Aside from some fatigue, concentration difficulties... *snip*

Wow JB. Thanks for sharing. I can't even imagine the physical pain, let alone the loss of friendships that you've gone through...

One very specific thing in there I can definitely relate to is having a good friend abandon you seemingly out of nowhere. I think my second year of high school that same thing happened to me and I really think it shapes my relationships to this day. I'm always so scared that I've said one wrong thing to someone that will cause them to stop talking to me forever and that kind of thing. It's a horrible thing to experience...
 
Doctor won't write note about suffering Paxil withdrawal, saying there's no scientific basis, at least for what I suffered at work (increased agitation where I lost my temper.) Is this normal? I already was losing it and called a suicide line because I felt like I was backed into a corner in life with no one that can help me, but I'm wondering if it's normal for doctors to refuse to write notes about suffering SSRI withdrawals or if I'm just being a whiny brat unwilling to face the consequences for what he did (which was slam a hand down and shouting.)

I can't speak for the withdrawal itself, since I never had any while I was on Paxil, but I remember my doctor warning me that it was pretty strong stuff, and they were really nervous about giving it too me (I was 16 at the time). I had a bad time with it and two weeks in, I said some stuff to a friend that got me arrested and kicked out of school.

What I'm getting at is that because it's strong, I wouldn't be surprised if it had some serious withdrawal effects attached. Your doctor sounds like an asshole in refusing to note these symptoms, or they simply don't care (more likely).
 
Apparently I also have ADD alongside my depressive disorder. I'm only finding this out now as an adult because I was never tested for it back when I was in school. I was never focused enough to dedicate any amount of time to active study outside of school, but I just had an easy enough time remembering what I heard in class that I got decent grades anyway. When it came to any activity that required a continuous effort, like practicing piano, or trying to compose music, or what have you, I kind of just lost interest after such a short time that I'd never really get anywhere. Even with drawing, I'd manage to put in a significant amount of total time in a day, but that seemed to come as the result of a collection of many 5-10 minute periods of drawing, broken up by distractions and breaks and just not feeling like continuing. It wasn't until my psych and I were speaking about it that I'd really considered the possibility, since myself and the people around me kind of always just assumed that I'm a lazy person. This whole experience has just furthered my perception that the amount of actual control we have over our own brains is at best limited and at worst FREE WILL IS A COMPLETE ILLUSION WADDDAAAA FUCCCKCKCCK.

Really though, I was prescribed Adderall, and this shit is magic. I mean, I don't feel hyper or any changes in mood, but I can actually focus on and dedicate myself to one activity on a level that feels completely new to me. It's really crazy to think of how much I could have done if I'd been put on this earlier, or how much this might have changed the course of my life.

The only thing that I kind of lament is how they don't last more than a couple of hours, which essentially means that unless I want to take multiple doses in a day, I have to choose between focusing at work and focusing on things that actually have some relevance or meaning to myself. I don't want to take it more than prescribed, so I dunno. I've been thinking about using modafinil or such substances for getting up in the morning and getting through work, and using adderall for my personal pursuits, but eh.
 
Wow JB. Thanks for sharing. I can't even imagine the physical pain, let alone the loss of friendships that you've gone through...

One very specific thing in there I can definitely relate to is having a good friend abandon you seemingly out of nowhere. I think my second year of high school that same thing happened to me and I really think it shapes my relationships to this day. I'm always so scared that I've said one wrong thing to someone that will cause them to stop talking to me forever and that kind of thing. It's a horrible thing to experience...

It's horrible. You never forget it. I eventually ended up having to block him on Facebook because he kept leaving comments in other friends' status updates. He had removed me as a FB friend a couple years before that. It just hurt me so bad that I wanted nothing to do with him. I even removed the dedication (to him) from one of the pieces I had written.

Really though, I was prescribed Adderall, and this shit is magic. I mean, I don't feel hyper or any changes in mood, but I can actually focus on and dedicate myself to one activity on a level that feels completely new to me. It's really crazy to think of how much I could have done if I'd been put on this earlier, or how much this might have changed the course of my life.

The only thing that I kind of lament is how they don't last more than a couple of hours, which essentially means that unless I want to take multiple doses in a day,

Can you get one of the longer acting stimulants, like Vyvanse? That's what I use. It costs a fortune ($350 for thirty pills) so I ended up having to use their program where they give it to you for free if you financially qualify.
 
if i am doing this to myself then i really am my worse enemy. feeling completely drained and down from yesterday. today i cannot even leave my room. if its an outside source or internally the case remains to stop this i need to die from this world. i know everything in life and this world hates me so its best for me to get out of the way.

You definitely are your own worst enemy as I am to myself. You don't have to be though. Look up radical acceptance as a technique and practice it.
 
When you're walking, do you ever see a car or a crack, some glass, sharp, things that can kill you, or just trip, and wonder if you're dead as you continue walking, wondering if your body hasn't processed the information yet, if it's in shock, or if this is death, if it's nothing but the same as life. I don't think I feel anything but fear, anxiety, and pain.
I have to be strong, and I am, but it's always embarrassing,untrue.
The weird things you do to get by, and nobody cares, you don't get a history, no one wants to listen or care as everyone's too busy, and you can only dream of seeing care in someones eyes, to speak and see another listening is such an incredible feeling, and for all the crazy you can feel inside you look normal or like you to those outside.
I really have lost sight of who I look like, sometimes I'll stare in the mirror to remember, and I'll hate myself one day, a stranger with facial hair, and I'll shave and feel like a kid again, like someone could say hello and offer to take care of me, like a lost child.
I go to work and I can do it, and I do it, it gets harder, and I miss every day of my youth, and for what?
I only wanted love like everyone else, all I can get is money, and I try to buy clothes, I try to look nice and have hope.

I feel like Linton from Wuthering Heights.

Sorry for speaking like this, I can write something normal if I feel like someone's there.
 
Hi GAF. Wow reading this thread and some people are going through a lot of serious stuff. I'm probably not going to read much because it bums me out. I'm reasonably empathetic by nature so I have to set strong boundaries with how much I can take on board. I guess I'm mainly here because I needed someone to talk to and the Ether that is GAF is probably the closest thing I have right now.

So I guess you could say that I'm in a Rut. I'm 26 but I'll be 27 soon (5 months or so ) and I have nothing to show for it. This isn't a where did I go wrong segment. I know all that. I'm practically reliving it daily. All I know is right now I'm in practical terms alone. I'm living with my younger sister. She's in high school as a Guardian/Glorified baby sitter. It's an arrangement that has been going on for around 2 years now. However this year I just can't handle it.

I moved interstate ( about 700 miles) away from the. House I grew up in 2 years ago. My whole family needed a change. My parents have been involved in an unhealthy emotionally abusive relationship for a long time, and I usually copped the worst of it. It's lead to a lifetime of insecurity and self loathing only made worse by an inability to trust people or make emotional connections, and this was only getting worse. So based on their desire to move. I came up with a plan that would make everyone happy and healthy. I was going to live with my sister somewhere new, my folks were going to sort their shit out/ organise a larger move. Then in 3 months I would move back home to return to College.

To put it mildly that didn't happen. Dad moved back in with mom. They argued, nothing got cleaned or sorted and that process has dragged out for the last 2 years. For me personally the process started to drag last year. So much to the point that I just needed a break. You see my family are quite religious. I'm less so. Which means I'm constantly lying to them to keep up a facade of the person I need to be to make everything work. I've been mostly unemployed during this time ( Not by Choice but no one is hiring a 26 year old without a degree and a blank work history) things were tough but mostly going well. Until around June last year. Then my sister stayed with my mom for a few weeks over the school holidays, and I don't know the specific details but something that was emotionally so devastating happened that it broke my sisters personality. We. Used to hang out a lot, and had many common interests. Video games, action movies, some sports. But now those basically don't exist. The worst part is I can't help her. I was the person who encouraged her to grow and try new things. I accepted her as she grew into an independent person, yet that all got undone and now I'm the bad guy whenever I'm myself around my folks. I feel so guilty, that it's having a negative effect on how we interact now. Which is a lot since she's shy and I am her primary guardian.

Now I'm unemployed, swamped by a mountain of debt, I'm probably going to get kicked out of college for being unable to study online in this totally fucked up environment. If I haven't been already. ( I didn't sign up for classes this semester, I'm not sure if I even could) Unfortunately they still want your money even when they don't want you. I thought about joining the military, I started the process, then I got good scores on the aptitude test and got told I was wasting my time applying for a meanial job. That's right unemployed for a long time. I finally get a job interview and I get told that they don't want me because I'm overqualified. Not that it matters. There was a mental health section on the questionare which I wasn't completely truthful about. So I can't apply for a job there without committing a federal crime.

So now I'm stuck in a fucked up situation where I'm to broke to be independent and have to appease people who have treated me like shit, so they don't hurt someone else more then they already have. I don't have any friends and haven't for a long time.

How can I move forward. What should I do?
 
I can't speak for the withdrawal itself, since I never had any while I was on Paxil, but I remember my doctor warning me that it was pretty strong stuff, and they were really nervous about giving it too me (I was 16 at the time). I had a bad time with it and two weeks in, I said some stuff to a friend that got me arrested and kicked out of school.

What I'm getting at is that because it's strong, I wouldn't be surprised if it had some serious withdrawal effects attached. Your doctor sounds like an asshole in refusing to note these symptoms, or they simply don't care (more likely).
Thanks. I should probably ask for more specifics when I work up the nerve and perhaps see what my primary says, but if he's not being very specific there he's being kind of nuts and I'm planning to switch one way or the other. Frustrating to be put on/lead into this roller coaster then effectively get "ah well" in response.
 
You definitely are your own worst enemy as I am to myself. You don't have to be though. Look up radical acceptance as a technique and practice it.

I'm not going to accept the person I am since I hate the person I am as does the rest of life. I've tried to change failed. Therapy failed. Group therapy failed. Been rejected by so many guys I've always failed. I want to focus on getting through this vacation and then take a week to put my affairs in order with my life insurance and on the Thursday just kill myself and save myself
 
For those of you with depression, what's your decision process for talking about it with others, or not talking about it? I feel like mentioning it to casual aqcuaintenses would unduly burden them, even closer people for that matter (though they have a tendency to figure it out eventually anyway). At the same time, I wonder if it would be cathartic.

I tried talking with some people but I realized that people are busy enough dealing with their own issues and daily life. It seemed that only people who were willing to listen were asking to be paid and I couldn't afford that.

Instead, I did searches of my own. I went to college and studied psychology, but I wasn't sure I'd find it there. Then I searched the Internet. I eventually found some actually good stuff that managed to break my old mind patterns and there's been a paradigm shift.

As a result, if I could describe it, depression is now just some residue of the past. There are some feelings, behaviors and habits/tendencies that linger, but its power is greatly diminished and it is on its way out. It is in a greatly weakened state, struggles to find sustenance, and usually cannot re-fuel itself.

Edit: This doesn't mean don't ask for help.

If you DO decide to ask for help...

Don't take it personally, be too bothered, or discouraged, if the person you ask you sense is not able or chooses not to help. There could be any number of reasons why, but whatever it is you can respect their space.

If you ask enough, you will eventually find people who are well-equipped, willing, and actually have sage advice.
 
For those of you with depression, what's your decision process for talking about it with others, or not talking about it? I feel like mentioning it to casual aqcuaintenses would unduly burden them, even closer people for that matter (though they have a tendency to figure it out eventually anyway). At the same time, I wonder if it would be cathartic.

I try to be as open about it as I can, within limits. It has helped me connect with other people with similar issues, and I always hope it helps people understand me a bit more.

I don't think burdening people is the big issue. The times I have felt like it went poorly all involved the other person not really "believing in depression" as a legitimate disease. "Anti-depressants are so over-prescribed and worthless. Just exercise and it will all go away! Think happier thoughts! Etc." Blech.

I'm a little more tight-lipped about it at work and stuff, which puts me in a bit of a bind. I take an MAOI, so there are lots of common foods I cannot eat. I have to turn them down, but I don't want to be rude, so I just say I am allergic to something found in aged cheese or meat. That would be fine, but I work with people who can easily suss out that I take an MAOI from that. It has not happened at this job yet (it's only week 2, and no one has tried to force cheddar on me), but I guess I'm thinking that when it does, I'm fine with people knowing I take an antidepressant and even knowing how serious my form of depression is (adding, of course, that the medication has helped fix me back up). I'll feel it out, person to person, how much I want to say.

I can't think of a time I have had something to gain by hiding my depression, or brushing it off. Generally, being open and honest has been helpful, but that has not always been the case. The worst that usually happens is an awkward moment, but I have had a few friendships damaged by people who kept telling me how bogus my medication is, or whatever. I don't need that shit.
 
I don't talk about it with anyone, but I'll let it slip in certain ways that I think are clever. In my industry no one has the capacity to care- you say you're tired and everyone else says me too- I wake up and work and I go to sleep the next day and repeat. On my days off I'm too exhausted to enjoy anything I'm capable of doing, and I'm so afraid of work- as I suspect others are too- that each day off has an overhanging sense of dread, and so each activity serves the sole purpose of distraction, of helping me forget what I have to do, and I think that's why so many in my industry turn to drugs and alcohol. I'll walk in the woods when I can, sing alone if I can, cry, write, listen to music, self-harm. Everything I do always feels like a waste of time, like I'm programeed to only do one thing with my life, like a machine.

A girl I met recently yelled at me, she has similar issues mentally and she tried to stress to me how no one cares about my issues, my problems, people have it so much worse, and I completely hate those type of apathetic arguments but the way she yelled at me, I felt like they were slightly true. Everything is not real, everything I feel, the people around me, I know they're there by the laws that govern me, but I don't touch, I don't hug, I don't talk to, and I've tried, I've gone to the hospital for help, and I learn each stay at the hospital that there is no help.

I've been waking up and saying forty years to retirement, and that is basically what life is to me today.

When you do to try to talk about what you feel, the words you use are never as profound as your feelings, and you seem like your straining impotently for understanding, so it look's like a failure on your part, but it's only that words are so limited in conveying feeling.

It's not really worth bothering, and therapists can help, for a while, but then you realize you're wasting time with another person who will leave.
 
I try to be as open about it as I can, within limits. It has helped me connect with other people with similar issues, and I always hope it helps people understand me a bit more.

I don't think burdening people is the big issue. The times I have felt like it went poorly all involved the other person not really "believing in depression" as a legitimate disease. "Anti-depressants are so over-prescribed and worthless. Just exercise and it will all go away! Think happier thoughts! Etc." Blech.

I'm a little more tight-lipped about it at work and stuff, which puts me in a bit of a bind. I take an MAOI, so there are lots of common foods I cannot eat. I have to turn them down, but I don't want to be rude, so I just say I am allergic to something found in aged cheese or meat. That would be fine, but I work with people who can easily suss out that I take an MAOI from that. It has not happened at this job yet (it's only week 2, and no one has tried to force cheddar on me), but I guess I'm thinking that when it does, I'm fine with people knowing I take an antidepressant and even knowing how serious my form of depression is (adding, of course, that the medication has helped fix me back up). I'll feel it out, person to person, how much I want to say.

I can't think of a time I have had something to gain by hiding my depression, or brushing it off. Generally, being open and honest has been helpful, but that has not always been the case. The worst that usually happens is an awkward moment, but I have had a few friendships damaged by people who kept telling me how bogus my medication is, or whatever. I don't need that shit.

I think the best way to not offend people is just say that you don't like certain foods. I don't drink alcohol yet when I go out it is always a non issue. Most people don't really care. Just say you are a fussy eater and don't like the foods you aren't allowed. Most people won't think anything of it.
 
I think the best way to not offend people is just say that you don't like certain foods. I don't drink alcohol yet when I go out it is always a non issue. Most people don't really care. Just say you are a fussy eater and don't like the foods you aren't allowed. Most people won't think anything of it.

I guess I could do that, but it would feel weird. Somehow I am more comfortable with people knowing my medical issue than being thought of as a picky eater. :P

It's actually kind of nice because it's a way I can just hint at things. If people figure out what it means when I say I can't eat aged foods, and they want to ask, they are more than welcome to. If they figure it out and don't feel like asking, that's fine, too. If they don't know what I mean, they can ask away.

I do think it's especially important for me to be open about things now because I am almost universally seen as being very upbeat and happy by new people I meet. During my worst years of depression, people always told me I was very easy-going, which is funny because I have some anxiety issues as well. Now, people are generally right that I'm upbeat and usually feel good around other people, bu they don't know everything that goes into that, or just how much energy it takes.

I think it's good for people to know that they cannot diagnose other people at a glance, or know what they are dealing with. By that same token, I don't always know what is going on with the people I meet. If I can say that I have extremely treatment-resistant depression, but this medication has changed my life, maybe it offers a little hope to someone I am talking to who suffers from similar issues. That may open a discussion between us, and I can go more into what helped me with therapy and meds and all that.

I guess it's just a small way to advocate for others with mental illness and to maybe help people I know understand things a little better if they have no experience of this stuff. I certainly would not universally recommend people approach their own illness like this. It's a far easier thing to do when you've gotten fairly far along in your recovery.

*edit* which is all to say that I have been thinking about how I will approach things at my new job (it's my 8th day tomorrow! I really like it!), and writing that first post helped me figure out how I want to handle it. :)
 
So uh, don't go nosing into dating threads, at all. It colors your perception that dating, like job hunting is a fast and hard numbers game and so many do's and dont's. I shouldn't even be in those threads, I am not even remotely qualified for a relationship yet and god forbid the stressors involved to even get dates.

Someone tell me I am full of shit and I am just reverse-projecting onto myself as a subconscious need for punishment.
 
Haven't visited this thread for a minute. Been able to occupy my time not working with other stuff (finally wrapped my head around Dark Souls), and my co-workers did actually notice a difference. While there's been some bummers, spending about three hours in a near blizzard (was told I'd be at fault if i didnt show, since so many other people called in) only to have my job close up shop ten minutes after I got there, a shitbag using his friends cancer as a platform to belittle me as a unsympathetic minimum wage fuck and get free Shit... I'd usually balance out by the next day.

But now my ex-roommate is messaging me saying he needs a copy of the lease we signed so he can lie and qualify for instate tuition cuz he's gonna move back. I've been dealing with being completely broke for months and the foreseeable future so I can get this, and he quit at his first real bump, went back home, and because I stuck it out he's gonna profit from my struggle when I don't even know if it's gonna work out for me.

I know it sounds immature and whiney, but it just feels kind of unfair.
 
Someone tell me I am full of shit and I am just reverse-projecting onto myself as a subconscious need for punishment.

You wouldn't happen to have seen any red pyramids around lately, have you?

I know it sounds immature and whiney, but it just feels kind of unfair.

The job closing up shop can't be helped. If they called you in, then they called you in, but it definitely sucks. Regarding the ex-roommate thing, that sounds completely ridiculous and if it was me, I would ignore them. If I'm understanding this correctly, they aren't your roommate anymore, correct? You don't owe them anything, so they can jog on.

Thanks. I should probably ask for more specifics when I work up the nerve and perhaps see what my primary says, but if he's not being very specific there he's being kind of nuts and I'm planning to switch one way or the other. Frustrating to be put on/lead into this roller coaster then effectively get "ah well" in response.

I wanted to follow-up because I remembered your post mentioned anger or violent outbursts. While I'm by no means a doctor, and like any kind of mental illness, medication will also effect each person differently, I had good results from Sertraline. Originally, I thought I was on it for depression, but it might have actually been an anti-anxiety medication, in any case, I noticed it greatly helped with me having violent outbursts.

One example of these common fits is that when my (now ex) girlfriend and I were cooking in the kitchen, I was working on dishes when I accidentally knocked a clean plate back into the dirty sink water. I got so mad that I verbally stormed out of the kitchen and kicked something (a door or a shelf I think). She was pretty scared about the whole ordeal, and I realized I needed to get that under control because I shouldn't be putting that anger on myself and those around me.

After starting on Sertraline for other problems I was having, I noticed that the anger issues almost completely subsided (probably thanks to becoming so mellowed out). It sounds like you're not on any medication at the moment, but if you're ever considering it, it might be worth asking a doctor about.
 
I'm not. It's just hard to get those stronger drugs for fibro. Without any lab tests that confirm an illness, it's very easy for people to believe that you're just a drug seeker. I got labeled that once when I went to the ER due to pain. That was a great night. Lowering the pain to a manageable level would make a difference, for sure although it's not close to my only symptom. The fatigue can be just as bad (doctors are starting to come around to the idea that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia are either the same illness or very closely related. One of my aunts has CFS and later also got diagnosed with fibro once the pain started to increase).

But I'd rather live than die and I agree with you that I should try them before I take more drastic measures. It may at least buy some time. Did you notice any side effects on the stronger opiates? Loopiness or more fatigue?

It took a few weeks for my body to fully adjust to Oxy. I was on 180mg a day (60 every 8 hours) which I was told is a pretty hefty dose. Once that time passed though I didn't feel any adverse side effects unless I missed a dose, then I'd suffer withdrawal symptoms within 5 or so hours. Led to some really pleasant times due to nothing more than absent-mindedness. Unfortunately, as it is so powerful and effective, it puts its claws deep into you. I was on it for about 5-6 years then detoxed which was an exhilarating experience, but also a very painful one and one I'd never wish to repeat.

Strange to say, but I only realized what the side effects were after I got off of it. A lot of people tend to believe narcotics only deal with pain, but they're nerve suppressants. No discrimination as to what gets suppressed. When I detoxed, it was a ride to put it mildly. For the first few weeks it was mostly physical things: my sense of smell improved, food tasted better, my hearing seemed to be more acute, my eyes were very sensitive to light, and touch seemed to become highly attuned. All of this was a trip, but then not soon after all the emotional baggage that had been building up inside for years and was held back suddenly came pouring out. Sadness, happiness, anger, fear.....every emotion possible, all at once. Slowly at first, it soon became a torrential flood of grieving and rapid growth that lasted every day over a period of about two months. I could not handle it and began self-mutilating as an outlet. This was when I was involuntarily committed as I was literally sobbing and crying everyday, all day, for months. It was a period of purging and cleansing. I guess why I'm telling you this is that while these drugs do help greatly with pain, the consequence is the overall impact they will have on every part of you. I wasn't too fatigued because of this as a lot of the time I was in a semi-zombie state anyway. Which is why I hesitate to recommend this course of action, but again, if you're in such pain as to want to end your life, they're the lesser of two terrible options and maybe is something you should have a talk with your doctor about.

I can understand the trouble you may have in getting them though. Very heavy regulated, even more so as of late. Even with my Vidcodin I get routinely piss tested so as to make sure it's in my blood (not selling them) and that I'm obeying the terms of my pain contract (no drugs). I can relate about the stigma also. I still get it, as I sometimes go to the hospital to get Duladid injections in the rear when my pain gets so bad that my Vicodin can't touch it. I won't lie and say I don't enjoy these (aside from killing pain, these are pure nirvana), but there's always questionable looks by the nurses. Docs all know me quite well though, and any new one I just have to take off my shirt and they literally throw prescriptions at me from my scars ans swelling. Unfortunately it sounds like it will be harder for you. It's terrible to have an awful disease that gives no visible indication to others it's there.
 
I feel like I'm on the verge of a mental breakdown.

I feeling really worn down. I have so much going on and I don't think I can handle it at all.

I work 40 hours a week. My job is really starting to beat me down. I work in an insist that is all about blaming everyone else. No one gives a shit if you do a good job. Only if you fuck up. My coworkers are generally pretty chill, but I can tell thru think I'm an idiot at best and "weird". My supervisors always say I'm doing great though which is hurts. How can I be a moron and doing a good job. The work is easy but repetative. But fast Pisces. I take about 200 calls a day. Often I can't hang up without another call coming in

Every day just from work im exhausted. But then I have other responsibilities. I am taking a certification class that is three hours a week, plus we have a capstone project that is a group assignment. The project is a 100+ page report on designing a supply chain for a nation wide retailer. We get minimal guidance on this. I have two days a week that I can really focus on those assignments and I'll be honest, I don't really want to at those times. I just want to lie down and not do anything now a days.

Then I've been also preping for grad school. It's for a masters in supply chain management. I have the gre next week. I'm terrified. Both of falling and succeeding. If I fail, I have no future since I don't see my self being able to advance my career without a masters.

If I do get in, I am going to have two years of hard work I dont think I can do. If I'm having a hard time with a cert course where I can barely do the work, what makes me think I can do a masters program? Plus is be doubling down on an industry I'm growing to hate. But I don't know what else id be doing.

I'm so tired all the time. I don't rrally ever want to go out. I just want to do nothing. I don't feel like I have any time at all. There is so much to do though.

And there isn't ant one I can talk to about this either. Everyone looks to me too be this person I'm not and it hurts.

I feel like I could lose everything I've been working towards at any minute, but at the same time I hate what I'm working towards
 
The job closing up shop can't be helped. If they called you in, then they called you in, but it definitely sucks. Regarding the ex-roommate thing, that sounds completely ridiculous and if it was me, I would ignore them. If I'm understanding this correctly, they aren't your roommate anymore, correct? You don't owe them anything, so they can jog on.
I understand closing, it was more the tone of my manager, who has a tendency to try to make me feel like a shit employee, despite every other manager has pretty much a positive view of me. Her laughing at me being covered in snow minutes after I almost slammed my head against a curb because of the wind and three feet come if vision. Definitely soured me.

As for my ex-roommate, I'll give him a copy since it won't really affect me. And it looks like he's not gonna try to convince me to stay at the place long enough for him to swing back in and have that sweet 350 a month we both started with. Which is a relief. So it's whatever on the actual situation. More about the mindset behind it from a dude who had me constantly stressed for months because of his poor decision making and hostile attitude that's tolerable in doses, but living with, ugh.

Happy I dont and won't have to deal with the dude on a daily basis.
 
Does anyone here have experience with treatment for OCD? Did anything help?

I really just want to give up, or to pack a small bag and just fuck off somewhere until I'm out of money.
 
Had my first day of my second job today and it went super well! I'm so excited about it in general. So far I really enjoy it, and if it goes as well as it seems like it will, I'll be making way more money than I've ever made before.

On top of that, just for fun I set up an interview for a store manager position at a L'Oreal Luxury Beauty Store. I highly doubt I'd take it (unless they offered me a ton of money) since I'm really pleased with my current situation, but hey, I could always use the interview practice. So that's pretty exciting too. Haha
 
Let us know how everything goes once you finish the move. Im betting when that day comes you will laugh and think to yourself, wtf was I worrying about?

Had my first day of my second job today and it went super well! I'm so excited about it in general. So far I really enjoy it, and if it goes as well as it seems like it will, I'll be making way more money than I've ever made before.

On top of that, just for fun I set up an interview for a store manager position at a L'Oreal Luxury Beauty Store. I highly doubt I'd take it (unless they offered me a ton of money) since I'm really pleased with my current situation, but hey, I could always use the interview practice. So that's pretty exciting too. Haha

You see? You sound happy. Thats good.
 
It took a few weeks for my body to fully adjust to Oxy. I was on 180mg a day (60 every 8 hours) which I was told is a pretty hefty dose. Once that time passed though I didn't feel any adverse side effects unless I missed a dose, then I'd suffer withdrawal symptoms within 5 or so hours. Led to some really pleasant times due to nothing more than absent-mindedness. Unfortunately, as it is so powerful and effective, it puts its claws deep into you. I was on it for about 5-6 years then detoxed which was an exhilarating experience, but also a very painful one and one I'd never wish to repeat.

Strange to say, but I only realized what the side effects were after I got off of it. A lot of people tend to believe narcotics only deal with pain, but they're nerve suppressants. No discrimination as to what gets suppressed. When I detoxed, it was a ride to put it mildly. For the first few weeks it was mostly physical things: my sense of smell improved, food tasted better, my hearing seemed to be more acute, my eyes were very sensitive to light, and touch seemed to become highly attuned. All of this was a trip, but then not soon after all the emotional baggage that had been building up inside for years and was held back suddenly came pouring out. Sadness, happiness, anger, fear.....every emotion possible, all at once. Slowly at first, it soon became a torrential flood of grieving and rapid growth that lasted every day over a period of about two months. I could not handle it and began self-mutilating as an outlet. This was when I was involuntarily committed as I was literally sobbing and crying everyday, all day, for months. It was a period of purging and cleansing. I guess why I'm telling you this is that while these drugs do help greatly with pain, the consequence is the overall impact they will have on every part of you. I wasn't too fatigued because of this as a lot of the time I was in a semi-zombie state anyway. Which is why I hesitate to recommend this course of action, but again, if you're in such pain as to want to end your life, they're the lesser of two terrible options and maybe is something you should have a talk with your doctor about.

I can understand the trouble you may have in getting them though. Very heavy regulated, even more so as of late. Even with my Vidcodin I get routinely piss tested so as to make sure it's in my blood (not selling them) and that I'm obeying the terms of my pain contract (no drugs). I can relate about the stigma also. I still get it, as I sometimes go to the hospital to get Duladid injections in the rear when my pain gets so bad that my Vicodin can't touch it. I won't lie and say I don't enjoy these (aside from killing pain, these are pure nirvana), but there's always questionable looks by the nurses. Docs all know me quite well though, and any new one I just have to take off my shirt and they literally throw prescriptions at me from my scars ans swelling. Unfortunately it sounds like it will be harder for you. It's terrible to have an awful disease that gives no visible indication to others it's there.

To be honest, I don't have a lot of hope. Fibromyalgia is notoriously resistant to all drugs, especially painkillers. There's just too many symptoms to try to control and if you manage to get on top of one, the others just intensify to compensate. And at this point, I've tried so many things that have failed that I hate getting my hopes up just to get them crushed again. Why did you end up detoxing?
 
Does anyone here have experience with treatment for OCD? Did anything help?

I really just want to give up, or to pack a small bag and just fuck off somewhere until I'm out of money.

I have a pretty severe form of OCD, which manifests itself primarily through intrusive thoughts. That said, OCD can vary considerably in severity and type.

Without knowing what sort of OCD you specifically deal with, i'm unable to offer very specific advice. That said, I can tell you that therapy has helped me considerably. Understanding the inner workings of the disorder has allowed me to identify its various elements, how they function, etc...In addition, I have learned a number of strategies to help deal with the disorder, such as diffusion and distancing techniques.

For some, medications can help alleviate OCD symptoms. I tried 3 different medications in varying doses, but never found one which worked for me. Therapy was better suited for my particular situation. I continue to struggle with it, but I have made enormous strides towards regaining control of my life. I went from suicidal, borderline non-functional, and severely depressed, to maintaining work, relationships, and pursuing a masters degree. OCD definitely can be mitigated and controlled. I won't sugarcoat things. It can be a very difficult, frustrating and lengthy process, but you CAN get better. You deserve to live a life where you are happy and in control. It can be done, and I hope you seek out help in the form which best suits you.

Stay strong.
 
I feel like I'm on the verge of a mental breakdown.

I feeling really worn down. I have so much going on and I don't think I can handle it at all.

I work 40 hours a week. My job is really starting to beat me down. I work in an insist that is all about blaming everyone else. No one gives a shit if you do a good job. Only if you fuck up. My coworkers are generally pretty chill, but I can tell thru think I'm an idiot at best and "weird". My supervisors always say I'm doing great though which is hurts. How can I be a moron and doing a good job. The work is easy but repetative. But fast Pisces. I take about 200 calls a day. Often I can't hang up without another call coming in

Every day just from work im exhausted. But then I have other responsibilities. I am taking a certification class that is three hours a week, plus we have a capstone project that is a group assignment. The project is a 100+ page report on designing a supply chain for a nation wide retailer. We get minimal guidance on this. I have two days a week that I can really focus on those assignments and I'll be honest, I don't really want to at those times. I just want to lie down and not do anything now a days.

Then I've been also preping for grad school. It's for a masters in supply chain management. I have the gre next week. I'm terrified. Both of falling and succeeding. If I fail, I have no future since I don't see my self being able to advance my career without a masters.

If I do get in, I am going to have two years of hard work I dont think I can do. If I'm having a hard time with a cert course where I can barely do the work, what makes me think I can do a masters program? Plus is be doubling down on an industry I'm growing to hate. But I don't know what else id be doing.

I'm so tired all the time. I don't rrally ever want to go out. I just want to do nothing. I don't feel like I have any time at all. There is so much to do though.

And there isn't ant one I can talk to about this either. Everyone looks to me too be this person I'm not and it hurts.

I feel like I could lose everything I've been working towards at any minute, but at the same time I hate what I'm working towards
Are you me? Except my coworker is an asshole, which makes things way worse... and I work 44 hours a week. Yeah, I know how you feel bud :(
 
Uhh, sorry this reference is lost on me, lol.

Ah, sorry, it was a bit of a gamble. CheesecakeRecipe already mentioned it, but there's a monster in a popular horror game known for having a red pyramid-shaped helmet. It was the manifestation of the protagonist's subconscious desire to be punished, and it follows him around throughout the game.

Your post was too perfect for me to not make the reference. Sorry for the derail!
 
I'm so abdurdly lonely. I can't stand living like this. I am so afraid of going to work tomorrow,and this is how it's always been for me.
I hate my roomate and I hate how hard I have to work for nothing but money and then maybe someday a relationship, a life, love, and right now, nothing, nothing, until my youth is run down in these cold factories.
 
Are you me? Except my coworker is an asshole, which makes things way worse... and I work 44 hours a week. Yeah, I know how you feel bud :(

How do you justify it all? For me, I feel like I'm doing what I'm doing because it's expected of me. I've long given up on my dream jobs and this is all I have left.
 
Haven't really slept much over the last three days, right now making four. I think I might have maybe 8 hours of sleep altogether.

Fucking insomnia man.

On top of that I've been really feeling numb and well, depressed because I always am.
My psych put me on cymbalta and trazodone for sleep. Eh, the trazodone doesn't do much, and I don't really know what to feel about the cymbalta.

I missed the writing challenge due date here, which sucks but last week I had several things to do that were all writing related and I just... did nothing.

My job situation sucks, trying to write a cover letter for jobs that aren't typical(beertending, a marijuana job) and none of the local dispensaries are hiring. Not to mention I am apparently fighting tons of other applicants, far more than I realized or was told about which is really depressing and frustrating. It makes me feel horrible about the circumstances behind how I got my industry badge, basically a company misled me into believing they were going to hire me and my parents chipped in a sum that, honestly was very costly for us($150) to get me badged. Well, they didn't hire me and because they are not a normal company I can't really do anything and I wouldn't really be able to do anything because I can't afford legal help if I could do anything.

My father lost his case and had take a plea deal, he couldn't fight being falsely accused of leaving a hit and run accident. I had to sit in the car with my mom after we found some great rolled tacos at a little mexican place that opened up and listen to my father breakdown into tears, question his life, and everything. He can't get into any accidents for the next six months, and if he does he loses his job and CDL and god knows what else. After six months they will wipe the charges, or something my dad wasn't really clear.

My mother managed to get my broken phone replaced through a free upgrade and the guy at verizon switched the sim cards around. It was really nice of her and my new phone is awesome, even though I liked my old one just fine before it broke. It's probably the only really good thing that has happened this week.

I also went into a comic book shop again, the same one that I went into and looked around, was disappointed slightly in, and promptly had a panic attack outside of, because it reminded me of all the time I spent with my exgirlfriend(who is dead), teaching her about comics and browsing comic book shops together. We spent so much time, and I spent so much time showing her the best ones, what to look for when collecting and all that, we went on buying sprees sometimes.

I remember one year I gave her a big box of comics, like comically large. All the memories came flooding back that first time, and it just overwhelmed me, I remember crying later that night.

That didn't happen this time though, which was nice and it felt like I was reclaiming a piece of my life back. I found some rare books that just ignited this passion, it was like I was buying comic books again, back before I met her. I found some mint almost complete set of John Constantine Hellblazer comic books penned by Ennis(the arc that covers issue #47-55), it had been the first time I'd ever seen old Hellblazer books in such good condition. I was so fucking depressed when I found out they were $6 dollars a piece(and I had like six or seven issues), which honestly I expected them to be a little more expensive, but I was hoping maybe they might have been priced cheap. I had that happen when I got my Watchmen #6. I was surprised to even see some Preacher books, which once I get a job I will definitely be getting those hellblazer and preacher books if they are still there.


The ship is sinking like the fucking titanic. I feel terrible and uneasy.
 
To be honest, I don't have a lot of hope. Fibromyalgia is notoriously resistant to all drugs, especially painkillers. There's just too many symptoms to try to control and if you manage to get on top of one, the others just intensify to compensate. And at this point, I've tried so many things that have failed that I hate getting my hopes up just to get them crushed again. Why did you end up detoxing?

I got tired of living that life and being dependent on them. Having to always worry whether I had pills. It was kind of a prison in a sense, and I didn't want to be a walking zombie forever. Just wanted to see if a lesser pain med would work, which luckily, Vicodin did.
 
You know... It's kind of cruel when you are on the phone with someone you want to be in a relationship with, and they start going on a tangent about some guy they like.

That's just... Hurtful...
 
You know... It's kind of cruel when you are on the phone with someone you want to be in a relationship with, and they start going on a tangent about some guy they like.

That's just... Hurtful...

Drop that shit, dude. Don't put yourself in that situation. The moment they pull that crap, immediately decide they aren't worth your time. You don't need to be their emotional toilet.
 
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