victreeb3l
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my fucking god,
im really hating those 3 armed freaks with the balls. they just never seem to stop coming >_<!
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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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Thaedolus
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So I beat it tonight...fucking awesome. Might not be as complete as MGS3 (the gameplay was very sparse) but still...
And good lawd at the graphics. It was like watching a CG movie...I couldn't believe my eyes half the time.
And can we pretty much assume we won't see the MGS theme ever again? I'm so sad it's gone...why did that guy have to dig up some old Russian's music and fuck up the MGS soundtrack for life?
And good lawd at the graphics. It was like watching a CG movie...I couldn't believe my eyes half the time.
And can we pretty much assume we won't see the MGS theme ever again? I'm so sad it's gone...why did that guy have to dig up some old Russian's music and fuck up the MGS soundtrack for life?
Stillmatic
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effingvic said:
Use your Chaff Grenades.
Crazymoogle
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effingvic said:
AFAIK,
with the exception of the endgame, the key to closing out the monster closets is just to kill everything that was there before the alarm went off. Kill every original, and when the caution timer ends, there shouldn't be anything left lurking around.
(edit: read your post wrong, its late, fixed)Ferrio said:
That CANNOT be it. If so, major plothole, lulz.
From what I understand Rat Team hacked into SOP using Big Boss's password (how did they know how to do this anyway) whereas Ocelot tired different things until he was successful in Act 3. Is this what maybe spared them?
From what I understand Rat Team hacked into SOP using Big Boss's password (how did they know how to do this anyway) whereas Ocelot tired different things until he was successful in Act 3. Is this what maybe spared them?
Diablos said:
Wait.. I know
The system was off for all those soldiers (they couldn't use any ID'ed guns). They freaked out in act 3... but eventually they overcame the flood of emotions. Ocelot's troops were still under the system, so it was destroyed they went through the initial shock
The system was off for all those soldiers (they couldn't use any ID'ed guns). They freaked out in act 3... but eventually they overcame the flood of emotions. Ocelot's troops were still under the system, so it was destroyed they went through the initial shock
Oh you were talking AFTER Act 3.Ferrio said:
Still, they, like ALL other soldiers -- friend or foe -- were a tool of the system in some way, but given different instructions. How was it so that when Ocelot took full control, Meryl and co. survived, while everyone else seemed to become permanent tools of the system, basically completely losing their minds in the process? Meryl had to cope with not feeling like a superhuman anymore, but she and her allies still had their sanity. Everyone else's brain turned to goo as they continued to take part in Ocelot's superarmy
Meryl has the SOP nanomachines, as she explains. Drebin said it as a joke, it's very obvious how he trails off and says "I mean... The Patriots".jjasper said:
(Act 4 related)
I'm currently doing that in Act 4evil solrac v3.0 said:
Loving it!And the people who asks what song comes up at the start of Act 4, man, the title and credits for the song are displayed prominently on the screen for like 15 seconds when it starts playing! Also,
you guys have never played MGS1 before? When I heard the song beginning,
Anyone else notice you can tilt the SixAxis up to peak out of a garbage container (or similar hiding spot) if you're hiding in it? I only found out by accident during the first part of Act 3, I was like "Whoa, WTF!"alr1ghtstart said:
Wow, totally mind blown! The little touches as well as hidden jokes are part of the reason I love this series so much.Omikaru said:
That's a flashback to Metal Gear Solid. The particular voice clip used comes from The Twin Snakes.BlueTsunami said:
I got it after I held a sniper up and then headshotted him in Act 2, so I thought the clip was related to my decision to kill him rather than knock him out or something. Would've been much better that way, actually.
Also, can you search an enemy for items if they're in a prone position, for example a sniper? I can't seem to do it. :/
I also have a question about the closing cutscene in Act 3: There are certain points in the game where you can't press up on the D-pad to zoom in during the cutscene and marvel on the detail. This is usually when we're looking from the point of view of, for example, a Gekko in Act 1 while scanning for Snake. But for some reason, you can't interact with that cutscene like that from the point when
the American forces begin to assemble around Liquid's speedboat
Does anyone know why this is the case. I started to suspect that they might have cheated and using pre-rendered footage, but made it look in-game, because there was so many parts during the act ending where, apart from using in-game assets, I just couldn't tell if it was pre-rendered or not.
Especially the scene when
Sasaki is trying to revive Meryl and they're all wet,
krackerjack
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Ferrio said:
are you sure? i didnt think kojima ever used pre-rendered cut scenes in any of his games...i thought he outright hated them? i think it may look that good since there is no AI and what not going on and just having all of the ps3's resources devoted to graphics....but hey i could be wrong
I see that explains it then. They shouldn't have disabled the zooming using d-pad for almost the end of act cutscene, should've been just for that particular bit, because I enjoy zooming around and marvelling at the details and thingsFerrio said:
It's pretty jarring when you can do it in every other cutscene, then you have a giant
30min? 45min?
victreeb3l
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Okay, I'm at the
post vamp injection part. its messed up how they have raiden fighting next to me CAUSE I WANNA SEE EM FIGHT >_< i keep getting blown up and dying. how the hell do i do this...
hirokazu said:
I have a feeling there are quite a few people who are playing MGS4 (critics, people in this thread etc) who have not played an MGS or a lot of it before MGS4. I don't want to tell people what to do, but I personally don't see how anyone can love this game like the rest of us do. Sounds mean I know, but there are so many emotional scenes, inside jokes, and story points from the previous games that makes skipping them (especially 2,3) a little unwise. It's like watching LOTR:Return of the King without seeing the previous 2. You can understand the specticle, the cool looking CGI, and what is happening, but you don't have context or an invested interest. Just don't see the point personally.
I see different people in the industry (on 1up Yours for example) that I think just don't get it. They don't have the history that is the series, so when people like Shane come in and rave about the game they don't understand why. They are like "These aiming controls aren't as good as CODIV, these cutscenes could be shorter, this could be this could be this etc."
Now of course there are people who can play MGS4 and love it without playing the previous ones (I have a friend who just did). It's possible, but in my eyes it just seems better to play the previous games to ensure that you get the best experience possible (or watch every cutscene I guess).
I wish they could release something like the cutscene viewer in Document of MGS2 where you could move the camera in 3D space, and then they'd have that cutscene in realtime, just to prove us wrong. At the moment, I'm almost convinced that particular bit is pre-rendered, but I just don't know for sure.krackerjack said:
Have you guys seen this Battlefield: Bad Company promo? And yes, this is related to MGS4.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/35146.html
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/35146.html
hirokazu said:
Yeah the second it popped up I pressed up on the d-pad (habit) and I figured it wasn't real time.
Just too much stuff going on on screen for it to be real time. The models might have been the actual real time game models during most of it but the amount of characters on screen and explosions was probably too much, and Kojima really wanted that scene.
I thought MGS4 didn't have anything prerendered, wtf
Ferrio said:
Ok ok ok - I think this is what happened, correct me if I am wrong:
-Ocelot grows tired of traditional SOP PMC's, pwns their asses starting at the end of Act 1, uses his exploiting of the system (about, what, half of the Patriots' AI) to overtake them.
-Continues this fine trend until the end of Act 3 when he completely pulls the plug and soldiers he controlled revert back to normal, ["normal" really being normal, and not Ocelot's hax0red SOP system OR the traditional SOP system] despite having to cope with being simply human again.
-Relies on a group of half-robot crazy womens (or did he?)
-Ocelot grows tired of traditional SOP PMC's, pwns their asses starting at the end of Act 1, uses his exploiting of the system (about, what, half of the Patriots' AI) to overtake them.
-Continues this fine trend until the end of Act 3 when he completely pulls the plug and soldiers he controlled revert back to normal, ["normal" really being normal, and not Ocelot's hax0red SOP system OR the traditional SOP system] despite having to cope with being simply human again.
-Relies on a group of half-robot crazy womens (or did he?)
firehawk12
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g35twinturbo said:
Naw, it's just a cute little reference. Sort of like when they did a Kayne and Lynch commercial and one of the characters said he was going to play GTA4.
It's nothing like that Saints Row 2 teaser.
Diablos said:
Ya something like that.
Except he wasn't really tired of the PMCs, they were just affected by his "tests". I could be wrong, but I don't think they were really suppose to be tests. But more of a way to get things rolling, so the patriots would take the appropriate steps to try and stop him
Except he wasn't really tired of the PMCs, they were just affected by his "tests". I could be wrong, but I don't think they were really suppose to be tests. But more of a way to get things rolling, so the patriots would take the appropriate steps to try and stop him
gray_fox224
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I'll admit it. I cried several times during the game...
victreeb3l
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LOLOL I just had to lmao at the
post mech fight in act 4, where ocelot is running away going "lolol cant catch me noob" and snake is limping after him :lol ah man, that was ONE HELL OF A FREAKIN FIGHT. i just wish it lasted longer man, this makes me yearn for more metal gear vs metal gear fights (((
man, this makes me yearn for more metal gear vs metal gear fights (((brandonh83
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effingvic said:LOLOL I just had to lmao at thepost mech fight in act 4, where ocelot is running away going "lolol cant catch me noob" and snake is limping after him :lol ah man, that was ONE HELL OF A FREAKIN FIGHT. i just wish it lasted longer
I fucking shit my pants laughing my ass off at that :lol
GalacticAE
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dominuece said:
Just as a doll on one of the bosses.
Choke on the Magic
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I'd have to say my most memorable experience in MGS4 was
when I was fighting Screaming Mantis and during the cut scene I switched to controller port 2 figuring that they'd have the classic mind read trick. Kojima is a genius. At the end of the cut scene I can't move and Mantis has me up in strings. Otacon codecs in to make fun of me for thinking that the port switch would work this time. Campbell codecs in later telling me to try it and I tell him it won't work. He's was like "oh...never mind." and awkwardly ends the conversation. This game was truly for the fans.
eso76
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the more i think of it, the more plot holes i found, and mostly because of that speech
I think everything worked perfectly in MGS3, there were no exaggerations, no forced drama, the plot was perfectly crafted from start to finish; i don't think the same can be said about mgs4.
Still, everything considered, it's probably Kojima's masterpiece, but i'd rate it lower than mgs3.
That, and despite being technically on a different level, Mgs3 characters are still more believable;
so, it's
MGS3 : perfection
MGS4 : very powerful but not as balanced, with less sense of measure (?) not as well crafted
MGS1: one of the most important games in videogames history...too little "game" though
MG2: SS : perfectly balanced, huge limitations due to hardware. Needs a remake BADLY, could be the best mgs game ever.
MG1: neat ideas, very simplistic execution though, but that was 20 years ago.
MGS2: nice stuff here and there, but often just cringeworthy.
ocelot gives on the top of outer haven. So he didn't actually want to control all AI's to "rule the world"; he just wanted to destroy it, to set the world free from it ? that part confused me; it makes a lot of stuff that has happened until then in mgs4 (and 1, and 2) meaningless or stretched much too far at the very least.
Also, why giving that explanation for Ocelot/Liquid stuff ? psychotherapy and nanomachines ? Did Kojima not realize he gave a reasonable explanation in MGS3 by revealing Ocelot is the Boss' and the Sorrow's son ? One would imagine he had inherited part of the sorrow's psychic powers to communicate with the dead.
There's a few things that sounded like afterthoughts, Big Boss' comeback for example, and a few too many stretches here and there, a few exaggerations to make things more dramatic (Naomi and Otacon) that were just cringeworthy.
Also, why giving that explanation for Ocelot/Liquid stuff ? psychotherapy and nanomachines ? Did Kojima not realize he gave a reasonable explanation in MGS3 by revealing Ocelot is the Boss' and the Sorrow's son ? One would imagine he had inherited part of the sorrow's psychic powers to communicate with the dead.
There's a few things that sounded like afterthoughts, Big Boss' comeback for example, and a few too many stretches here and there, a few exaggerations to make things more dramatic (Naomi and Otacon) that were just cringeworthy.
I think everything worked perfectly in MGS3, there were no exaggerations, no forced drama, the plot was perfectly crafted from start to finish; i don't think the same can be said about mgs4.
Still, everything considered, it's probably Kojima's masterpiece, but i'd rate it lower than mgs3.
That, and despite being technically on a different level, Mgs3 characters are still more believable;
so, it's
MGS3 : perfection
MGS4 : very powerful but not as balanced, with less sense of measure (?) not as well crafted
MGS1: one of the most important games in videogames history...too little "game" though
MG2: SS : perfectly balanced, huge limitations due to hardware. Needs a remake BADLY, could be the best mgs game ever.
MG1: neat ideas, very simplistic execution though, but that was 20 years ago.
MGS2: nice stuff here and there, but often just cringeworthy.
I know it has been posted a couple times already but for anybody that missed it check out the CQC guide from GameTrailers.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/35159.html
Next playthough i'm going to mess around with the CQC more. Hardly even did any the first time.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/35159.html
Next playthough i'm going to mess around with the CQC more. Hardly even did any the first time.
victreeb3l
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brandonh83 said:
"FOX..DIE!!!!! *dead* ....GOTCHA BITCH!
:lol that old fucker still got some humor left in him
eso76
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it needs to be stressed again how awesome MGS4 is for the fans though.
Otacon telling you to switch discs
But...no theater mode ??? that sucks.
Otacon telling you to switch discs
isn't mocking the x360, it happens at exactly the same point in shadow moses where you had to change discs in MGS1. And Psycho mantis not being able to read the memory card and make your controller move was genius, but i wonder what happens if you have a dual shock 3 ?
But...no theater mode ??? that sucks.
brandonh83
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It rumbles, eso.
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