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Metal Gear Solid HD Collection |OT| The Naked, the Solid and the Lightning
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Callo Merlose
Banned
I'm still not over the grip meter problem in the Ico/Shadow HD remakes, but this omission isn't a game-breaker. The slowdown during the rain/explosions is. Even more reason for me to never let go of the originals.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
I probably won't pick up this game now. If this port is indeed missing those rain effects and the lice (never mind the missing Guy Savage content, Duel mode, Snake VS Monkey, Secret Theatre and Snakeboarding) I'll stick with my original copies.
Shame, I was really looking forward to it too. Here's hoping that we eventually get properly emulated PS2 versions running in HD on the PS4, until then, I'll carry on playing in SD.
Thanks for nothing Konami/Bluepoint!
Shame, I was really looking forward to it too. Here's hoping that we eventually get properly emulated PS2 versions running in HD on the PS4, until then, I'll carry on playing in SD.
Thanks for nothing Konami/Bluepoint!
SentientStone
Member
Are people really that angry about having the potential of a couple of missing effects? I have a hard time understanding how someone would prefer the originals... unless they are stuck with SDTVs.
I think these ports are amazing and they look very very good to me.
I also had no trouble with the grip meter in SOTC, felt about the same to me honestly. Definitely was not a gamebreaker or anything. I think people are just being to nitpicky about the minuscule things. I played through the rainy section of MGS2 the other day and it looked great, though if the lice effect is missing in the Fortune scene when I get there, that will be a disappointment for me as that is pretty major in my opinion. I would still prefer to play it with such an effect missing than having to play the SD version on my SDTV though. ;P
I think these ports are amazing and they look very very good to me.
I also had no trouble with the grip meter in SOTC, felt about the same to me honestly. Definitely was not a gamebreaker or anything. I think people are just being to nitpicky about the minuscule things. I played through the rainy section of MGS2 the other day and it looked great, though if the lice effect is missing in the Fortune scene when I get there, that will be a disappointment for me as that is pretty major in my opinion. I would still prefer to play it with such an effect missing than having to play the SD version on my SDTV though. ;P
Callo Merlose
Banned
If you're oblivious to the grip meter problem in Shadow of the Colossus, then I can't reason with you. 
With these HD remakes, they should really be masterpiece editions that omit nothing and solely improve visual quality. I'd love to agree with you, but I don't want to make some kind of compromise when playing these games that I love and adore so much. I wouldn't have minded waiting another full year for them to get everything perfect. Kojima's minutia and attention to detail in these games are what made them so phenomenal when they were first released. I don't fault Bluepoint, I fault Konami.
With these HD remakes, they should really be masterpiece editions that omit nothing and solely improve visual quality. I'd love to agree with you, but I don't want to make some kind of compromise when playing these games that I love and adore so much. I wouldn't have minded waiting another full year for them to get everything perfect. Kojima's minutia and attention to detail in these games are what made them so phenomenal when they were first released. I don't fault Bluepoint, I fault Konami.
SentientStone
Member
Is the grip problem primarily in the hard difficulty mode or was it prevalent in the normal mode too? I breezed through normal mode without much difficulty (save for the last boss perhaps), and that was the only reason why I am saying it didn't feel much different to me. I haven't played the original in a while so I did not do a direct comparison obviously, but it just did not hinder my ability to defeat the colossus at all.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Verboten said:If you're oblivious to the grip meter problem in Shadow of the Colossus, then I can't reason with you.
This is why I don't really like these HD remasters. Since they're ports rather than emulations, there's always going to be something in each game that is just off. I want the original game rendered in HD, not an imitation.
I want to see PS2 games get the Virtual Console treatment (perfect emulation of the original ROM/ISO, but rendered in HD ALA N64 VC games being rendered in 4x the resolution)
What they're doing with the Silent Hill HD Collection is nothing short of a complete bastardisation.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Tizoc said:
European Extreme (Game Over if seen) and I bet the real reason why the Guy Savage content was removed was because it ran on a completely different game engine (which would take a lot of time to port over for this collection, so it was probably dropped for time and budget reasons. Same goes for Snakeboarding - which was based on Evolution Skateboarding's engine)
Callo Merlose
Banned
Are you sure about this? I thought European Extreme was introduced with the PAL MGS2. I haven't ever heard about any differences between the PAL/NTSC versions of MGS.Nuclear Muffin said:
Also, another great thing that was omitted (that fucking music <3):
Snake skateboarding the the Big Shell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzh7vEaazBM
Tizoc
Member
I did not know about Snakeboarding...AND THEY REMOVED IT FROM THE COLLECTION?!?!?!?!
CURSE YOU LICENSING/TIME CONSTRAINTS!!!!!
EDIT: Wait we own MGS2 Sub on PS2, now I feel like firing it up just to play that.
BTW MGS1 PAL runs 50 FPS/Hz right? Does this affect any part of the game?
CURSE YOU LICENSING/TIME CONSTRAINTS!!!!!
EDIT: Wait we own MGS2 Sub on PS2, now I feel like firing it up just to play that.
BTW MGS1 PAL runs 50 FPS/Hz right? Does this affect any part of the game?
GoncaloCCastro
Member
Today might be the day I get the collection, I'm going to post lots of bad quality, blurred pictures when I have it.
Philanthropist
Banned
Tizoc said:
I played it on PAL back in the day several times, and NTSC three years ago. No technical differences or problems that I remember.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Tizoc said:
No specific part is affected in particular, but of course you'll get a worse experience overall since it runs slower.
This song still gives me the chills. So awesome.
When that started playing in the MGS4 part I nearly broke down in nostalgia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6miaTf1gF4g
When that started playing in the MGS4 part I nearly broke down in nostalgia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6miaTf1gF4g
AgentOtaku
Member
aaaaaaaaaand got my LE today! (^___^)
Artbook was totally worth it IF you're a fan. At first I didn't dig that it was just sort of mostly promo art splashes, then I was delighted to see there is indeed actual character concept art, which is all I ask for when it comes to artbooks. Stuff is the epitome of cool!
Still wish it had MGS in there though =/
Any places to buy a good proper Metal Gear Solid artbook?
Artbook was totally worth it IF you're a fan. At first I didn't dig that it was just sort of mostly promo art splashes, then I was delighted to see there is indeed actual character concept art, which is all I ask for when it comes to artbooks. Stuff is the epitome of cool!
Still wish it had MGS in there though =/
Any places to buy a good proper Metal Gear Solid artbook?
RandomVince said:Just out of interest, the MGS3is confirmed as cut ... how about the Subsistence mode of Ape Escape where you had to capture the monkeys in the jungle? I assume that was cut too.nightmare
CUT from MGS3
Nightmare
Snake vs. Monkey
*Boss Survival Mode
*Secret Theater (funny alternate cutscenes)
*Metal Gear Online (MGS3 version)
*Existence Disc (cut scenes from the game made into a movie)
*from Subsistance version
I hope you'll enjoy it; I always found it to be far superior to the English dub.rvy said:
Too bad the collection doesn't include both tracks, actually, but I have no idea how much room there's left on the Blu-ray (I imagine the Xbox 360 version is a lost cause in that area anyway)...
CosmicGroinPull
Member
Playing through Peace Walker now. It controls really well with MGS4's settings, is fluid and looks great (for its PSP origins), but this is definitely not a 'full fledged MGS game'. Having to constantly resupply during boss fights is also a major annoyance. Also, too much MGS3 milking. Well, I'm only half-way through, so I might change my mind.
Btw, what I wouldn't give to see Cecile's cutscene fully rendered....drool
Btw, what I wouldn't give to see Cecile's cutscene fully rendered....drool
I can understand the omission of Guy Savage (different engine), but why Boss Survival and Snake vs Monkey? That pisses me off more than anything.Cartman86 said:
I see that Secret Theater is missing, but is the regular theater mode at least available after beating the game? I will be crushed if that was removed.
Also, what was changed by patch 1.01? I'm still holding off on it for fear that it may have caused some of the visual discrepancies that those rain/lice pics show.
Cartman86 said:
We were never going to get MGO.
and I cry because it's the best version of that game and I loved it
Also, Snake vs Monkey is probably gone because the collection is multiplatform. Ape Escape is a Sony owned franchise, so they probably thought it'd be easier to just rip it out.
Itchy//Tasty
Member
Sad to see Guy Savage was cut, but all things considered I'm glad we still got the main theme tune in there.
People wondering about why Snake has the Boss's scar in PW? MGS3 and PW spoilers:
People wondering about why Snake has the Boss's scar in PW? MGS3 and PW spoilers:
In MGS3 the Boss had a snake-shaped scar on her body because of the in-battle c-section she had in order to give birth to Ocelot. Her child was taken away but the scar serves as a reminder that she was a mother. Snake has the same scar in PW, and we first assume it to be a self-inflicted reminder of her, like the bandana which has emotional significance to him. After being imprisoned and tortured by Strangelove, Snake removes the 'scar', revealing it to be a razor-thin saw, taped to his body that he uses to escape his cell, a safety measure in case he ever got captured again.
I imagine the issue was that those were pre-rendered videos...Tizoc said:
Most likely, yeah... But it's annoying that they wouldn't keep it for the PlayStation 3 version (after all, the Skateboarding was missing from the Xbox version, back then, I believe, right?).randomwab said:
And wasn't there a Banana Camo, by the way? What happened to that one, then?
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Erigu said:
That didn't stop Bluepoint from making the GOW Collection. They could've just done a basic upscaling job if they didn't have the original assets used to make them anymore.
Erigu said:
It was probably cut because you'd have people complaining about how the PS3 version was getting more content than the 360 version.
I believe that's what they did for the opening movies, yes, but I wonder what kind of resolution the Secret Theater videos were encoded at... They were first uploaded on the official site, if I remember well? How good/bad did they look, in the game?Nuclear Muffin said:
(by the way, I believe somebody said earlier that the "snake eating" video looked pretty awful, in the HD Collection)
Yeah, I guess, but like I said, there would be a precedent anyway...
Ah, well.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Erigu said:
From what I remember, they were the same resolution/quality as the other videos used in the game. I don't remember them looking noticeably worse.
Blue Submarine No. 6
Member
Why not?CosmicGroinPull said:
(ftr, I absolutely consider PW "cannon", a full-fledged MGS title - I've put 160 hours into my PSP save, ffs...)
electroshockwave
Member
Is that delay when the codec screen opens up just in the 360 version?
Red Blaster
Member
lawl talk about missing the forest for the tress. MGS3 at 60 fps (95% of the time anyway) easily trumps any of these other petty squabbles that I'm reading.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
I can't believe they cut the codec conversation you have with Sigint after the nightmare. Cutting that is worse than cutting the nightmare itself.