Berserker976
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Actually if you think about it, nothing in TPP directly contradicts this theory. It would also explain why Quiet would want revenge specifically on Big Boss when it was the bandage guy that burned her to a crisp.
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Actually if you think about it, nothing in TPP directly contradicts this theory. It would also explain why Quiet would want revenge specifically on Big Boss when it was the bandage guy that burned her to a crisp.
Kojima trying hard to go deeper than Mario lore
Roni
Member
Like it's been said, Code Talker talks about it. But in essence, the standard strains of the parasites copulate when constantly exposed to certain sounds. These sounds are small phonetic elements. The type of phonetics can also be changed through mutation.
Through a process akin to dog breeding, a parasite can be brought to respond to incredibly particular sounds, which belong to a single language. It's pseudo-science fiction, but works for the context of the game.
Can you elaborate on this idea? I'm not sure I'm following, but I'm always interested to hear your thoughts (even if we don't always interpret things the same way).
ichtyander
Member
Hahahah, holy shit, never even occurred to me, I love it.
In my heart I just know that... there is hope.
Roni
Member
I assume it was Venom that burned Quiet using Mantis' powers. He was the one connected to him. So Quiet would have seen Big Boss as the one that burned her.
petethepanda
Member
The future is kind of a bummer. Wondering if there is something more buried deep within a game like this is the type of thing that I would have gone fucking crazy over as a kid, but nowadays it's hard to believe anything like that could be present as people will have mined everything out of the game within weeks.
Just makes dudes infertile. And sets up the bit where the parasites start reproducing asexually, creating the second outbreak in Mission 43.
But ultimately, who knows. Maybe there was a Chico-Quiet connection planned at first. He's conspicuously absent, not even acknowledged in TPP.
Berserker976
Member
Well, I don't think it would be a stretch to assume that Chico could blame Big Boss for what happened to him and Paz. Plus, we know Chico and Skull Face had some sort of established relationship in GZ, twisted as it was. The age would pretty much fit, and who better to send in to kill Big Boss than his former soldier whom he abandoned?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It definitely is possible that you get Chapter 3 and immediately get the disarmament cutscene. Now is the matter of how long it takes to unlock it...and maybe it'll be a global thing? After X amount of nukes are disarmed....is it possible that it can coincide with how many nukes there are in Real life? Once that many nukes are disarmed in game, the cutscene unlocks for everyone?
He's mentioned to be killed in TPP.
Berserker976
Member
When Quiet is choking you out you hear a lighter flick, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to assume Ishmael used his lighter to ignite Quiet.
nckillthegrimace
Member
You hear Big Boss light a lighter or something when the screen blacks out from Quiet choking Venom. He ignites the flammable liquid he threw at Quiet.
Hmm... Interesting.
While I obviously like the story, one thing that could've been clearer is Quiet's backstory. She says "vengeance drove me to them." I think this suggests something before Big Boss that led her to Skull Face. But we don't know what it is.
We know part of her wanted revenge against BB, but the way it's presented in the game, that's after he torched her. And she'd be a pretty hypocritical person to hold a grudge against BB for attacking her out of self-defense. But the game does confirm she was mad at him.
But what does she mean by "vengeance drove me to them." She was already -with- them. She was already working for XOF. I think she's referring to something before Big Boss and Skull Face. I think she's referring to another quest for revenge, separate from BB, and prior to Skull Face, which led her to Skull Face.
So yeah, I'd be more satisfied with the idea you're suggesting. Anything that would perhaps explain how she became a cold-blooded assassin doing horrible things for a horrible person.
Quiet's departure is otherwise quite touching and effective. It's just that bit that puzzles me.
I'm gonna shamelessly post a link to my analysis video for this new thread:
MGSV: A Phantom Plot (A Critique of MGSV's Story)
MGSV: A Phantom Plot (A Critique of MGSV's Story)
CriterionDog
Member
THE RIDE THAT NEVER ENDS
Ahhh I get it now, pretty good lol
Yeah, definitely Ishmael with a lighter.
Ah, thanks for pointing this out.
RandomExpletive
Member
Such a lust for brains
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Man that Quiet Mod thread is depressing, so much hate. Can't we all just enjoy some good ol' TNA?
The Silver
Member
This thread officially has one more chapter than the game.
Never be game over.
Never be game over.
nckillthegrimace
Member
I'm still completely confused over Chapter 2 being named "Race" and not something that reflects anything that actually happens.
Se7enSword
Banned
We'll be played like fiddles throughout.
Nintendoga
Member
So then,
Nanomachines or Parasites?
Which is worse?
Nanomachines or Parasites?
Which is worse?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It could have multiple meanings.
Looking at the title in the vacuum, the first thing you think of is a persons race/color. On the other hand, in context with chapter 3 and the secret cutscene, and the fact that you unlock the ability to make nuclear weapons after the title card, it could also mean 'Arms race'. It's probably the latter
Berserker976
Member
If nothing else, it definitely seems like there was supposed to be more of a character there than what we got in the game.
Then again, I could probably say that about the majority of characters in TPP.
giancarlo123x
Banned
I'm still, in a dream.
Aquavelvaman
Banned
I'm someone who doesn't remember MGS4 very well. Just finished MGSV.
Are we to assume that Venom is who solid snake killed originally, and then naked snake is the one who shows up at the end of MGS4? I need to go rewatch that ending.
plutoknight
Member
I..I thought that was weird. Ch.2's name did seem..nonsensical...
Yes. Phantom Snake died in MG1.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Part of why I sold off my PS4 version once I finished. Once people have time to tinker, I think the PC version will be really fun to return to!
Moby Dick: misprinted
MGSV: actually unfinished
Huh. Not seeing the connection really.
I'm down for more character development in anything.
I'm happy with most of the characters in TPP, but I wish Quiet's backstory was more clear, since then I might be able to sympathize with why she led a life of murder.
Poor head transplant doctor. Poor booby nurse. :-(
plutoknight
Member
Maybe all the discs were misprinted and we'll get chapter 3 with the MGO patch!
(Never be game over)
RandomExpletive
Member
Why do they have to do this? Why can't they just say that's it for the game. Stop toying with us, dammit!
Sounds like PR speak for "keep playing the game and thinking about the content and you'll see it makes sense." Although he knows fully well the lack of a hard confirm/denial will just stoke the flames of speculation. Free publicity for the game.
Berserker976
Member
I'm happy with Miller, and I think Huey and Zero are at least changed in interesting ways. Everyone else is pretty underdeveloped, even (sometimes especially) characters from other games in the series. I mean, Eli has about 3 total lines in the entire game, and he's with you for hours and hours.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
But Moby Dick was misprinted accidentally. Misprinting a retail disc would be the height of stupidity -_-
Meh, I'll liveBut now you've gotta wait until January to play MGO
nckillthegrimace
Member
Thank you for trying, but none of that is apparent from anything that happens in Chapter 2. Even if you can build a nuke as a multiplayer mechanic, that's hardly a focus of the chapter. Every story beat is about this army of jerks imploding because they don't have an absurd cartoon villain to collectively rally against, so maybe they should have worked with that.
That's just crazy talk. This googly-eyed mother fucker looks nothing like Skull-With-Sexy-Eyes Face.Such a lust for brains
For a dude without a face, he's a total QT3.14
GodzillaDB
Member
#NeverBeGameOver
As previously mentioned, it likely has multiple meanings in regard to nuclear arms and ethnicity, specifically language being hammered as the defining identity of mankind.
Berserker976
Member
Yeah, they should have called Chapter 2 "The Phantom Pain." It would have worked on several levels, actually.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
But it's...extremely apparent? Chapter 2 is about Miller doubling down on building his army, and we know there's a huge cutscene tied to nuclear disarmament.
nckillthegrimace
Member
Miller's chapter 2 speech reads more like he's an insane, paranoid person. Note the Big Boss is Watching propaganda. And that cutscene exists, but it's the only indication that nukes are a big deal in the narrative and no one would know it exists if not for datamining.
Hmm, according to the guide, Paz cutscenes #2 and #3 (and thus the concluding tape about mercy) can only be seen in Ch. 2. So that supports the idea of it being a lesson about mercy for Venom after everything that happened with Skull Face.
Paz subplot should've been required (the story beats, not the side ops). It's crazy they make it optional.
Paz subplot should've been required (the story beats, not the side ops). It's crazy they make it optional.
Yeah, this would fit well. Maybe they didn't want to use it since it's the title of the game.
"Peace" could work as a Ch. 2 title, in the sense that's what they're trying to attain on a personal level.
Assuming Ch. 3 is truly cut, I mean.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
....Considering that Skull Faces whole plan was selling nuclear weapons that he controlled to nations, and that Miller wants to pick up those pieces of sorts, I would say that nukes are indeed a big deal in the narrative.