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Mexico threatens lawsuits over Guard at the border.
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Maybe Mexico should worry about fixing thier country before attempting to preach to the United States about ours. Last time I checked every person in a third world country would love to come over here. What makes Mexicans so special? What makes them better than say, poor Africans?
Der Kommisar
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In the future, our borders will be patroled effectively
...by robots.
...by robots.
Ash Housewares
The Mountain Jew
Crab Shaker said:
you must not spend much time in the gaming forum
Outcast2004
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Drensch said:
Free healthcare at any hospital isn't a benefit? Hell, illegals are CRIPPLING entire health systems in Arizona and California.
Our borders SHOULD be and should have ALWAYS been enforced. You're talking 11 MILLION people who have come streaming into this country and doing it the easy way and not doing their part to become an integrated part of society.
It sets a terrible precident to those who have actually done the work to be here legally. You want to know anger? Talk to a recent immigrant who's going thorugh the paces and see how THEY feel about all these people with NO RIGHTS in this country protesting for amnesty. That's MY view... if you are here illegallly (don't play word wars, it's not "undocumented" you're a cirminal for coming in illegally), you have NO rights and are damn lucky you aren't shot back into Mexico by a catapult.
And Vincente Fox has the BALLS to call us out for protecting our borders? All the while he's ENCOURAGING his country folk to leave and just send the money back. How can that be viewed as anything BUT an act of war? You're talking an invasion of social leeches.
I feel VERY passionate about this topic and I find it disgusting that you have people who are basically trying to "reclaim their land". Refusing to learn the native language (even though unofficial) insisting that their teachers learn THEIR language.
It used to be a thing of pride to come here and live as an AMERICAN, learn English and integrate into the society at large. Not distance yourself by REFUSING to integrate.
Almighty_Chocobo
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Wii-za said:
Unless you came into the US illegally, what is being said here is not directed at you.
MrAngryFace
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I think the main problem I have with stating my opinion on all this is that because I am white there is very few ways to say it without sounding racist.
I will say this. We are our own country and much like the PRIVATE forum that is GAF, we can elect to not include certain people for whatever reason.
I dont care if the people who snuck over first get to stay. Damage done, honestly. They generally work as hard or harder than any of us. We DO need to address the criminal wages they get so there's some actually competition for these jobs.
Second, I think we should plug the hole. We need regulation and control. The way people treat immigration right now is incredibly short sighted. Mexico NEEDS to get its act together.
And finally, to all the immigrants insulting me on national tv to get my support, just stop. I know youre here in force, dont threaten me. Ill support common sense, and its common sense for illegals who are already here to simply stay, but be put into the system.
Unfair for others? Probably, but this is honestly a situation that has gone too far. Illegals may make up a large group, but citizens are still priority.
I will say this. We are our own country and much like the PRIVATE forum that is GAF, we can elect to not include certain people for whatever reason.
I dont care if the people who snuck over first get to stay. Damage done, honestly. They generally work as hard or harder than any of us. We DO need to address the criminal wages they get so there's some actually competition for these jobs.
Second, I think we should plug the hole. We need regulation and control. The way people treat immigration right now is incredibly short sighted. Mexico NEEDS to get its act together.
And finally, to all the immigrants insulting me on national tv to get my support, just stop. I know youre here in force, dont threaten me. Ill support common sense, and its common sense for illegals who are already here to simply stay, but be put into the system.
Unfair for others? Probably, but this is honestly a situation that has gone too far. Illegals may make up a large group, but citizens are still priority.
Panic_Attack
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That is a two way road my friend. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them ignorant. Most of the responses in this thread have been well thought out and logical. Thanks for your input.Crab Shaker said:
Ninja Scooter
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i would trade Mexico for Florida.
MrAngryFace
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MOST GAF responses to this particular topic are pretty good. Its clear most posters are actually struggling with the two forces of compassion and the preservation of our country's rights.
How fun would another war with Mexico be. Nowe we don't have any pussy-wars wher ewe just send off cruise missles and bomb the shit out of them...
Now, we have ground warfare with the best thing being the enemy is our neighbor to the south. I'd love the day when Mexico invades Texas.
Now, we have ground warfare with the best thing being the enemy is our neighbor to the south. I'd love the day when Mexico invades Texas.
Oldschoolgamer
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WalkMan said:
Bush would still find a reason to launch a bazillion rockets at them...
Phoenix
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Its amazing some of the opinions I've read AND how easy many of you have been swayed into believing that this is anything more than a smoke and mirrors issue, like gay marriage, to get you on the side of the administration.... or at least stop hating it.
Foreign nationals have been crossing the mexican border for longer than people on this board have been alive. While, of course, there are fiscal concerns that these immigrants are costing the social services of the country money - its laughable that an administration that has consitently cut social programs itself is suddenly concerned about those programs. More importantly is how it completely ignores the real issue, giving lip service and making excuses for employers.. "oh we can't confirm their id... nevermind that they only speak spanish and don't know what state they are applying for the job in". It also forgoes any real solution to the problem that is causing people to want to migrate over here and instead incites feelings of fear, prejudice, and isolation the same way as with all sorts of other issues. "Oh no, they are taking our shit!"
Foreign nationals have been crossing the mexican border for longer than people on this board have been alive. While, of course, there are fiscal concerns that these immigrants are costing the social services of the country money - its laughable that an administration that has consitently cut social programs itself is suddenly concerned about those programs. More importantly is how it completely ignores the real issue, giving lip service and making excuses for employers.. "oh we can't confirm their id... nevermind that they only speak spanish and don't know what state they are applying for the job in". It also forgoes any real solution to the problem that is causing people to want to migrate over here and instead incites feelings of fear, prejudice, and isolation the same way as with all sorts of other issues. "Oh no, they are taking our shit!"
Outcast2004
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They already have....WalkMan said:
What kind of internal deception is required to convince oneself that millions of people illegally entering a country is a non-issue? Especially when the vast majority of Americans believe and have believed for a long time that something should have been done about this a long time ago. It has been the governing elites who have tried to ignore the issue and pretend it didn't exist, instead of creating a non-issue as some suggest.
Outcast2004
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malek4980 said:
This really is a situation of the suits in Washington completely disregarding what a MASSIVE majority of their populace wants.
They view the illegals not as a problem, but as a potential voting block. This has been an issue for YEARS...and gets ignored or swept aside.
Yes why handle the illegal immigration issue TODAY. The US should continue to ignore it. The point is the electorate and not the elected were the ones who brought up the issue first. It is not the politicians who are the ones creating an issue that was unimportant to voters, but finally, half-heartily, addressing an issue that has been important to the voters. No it has not been the most important issue for voters, but it wasn't a non-issue either. The Republican ruling elite would like to ignore the issue like they have for so long, but since so many people are flocking away from the party they can't afford to ignore the people completely anymore.Phoenix said:
evil solrac v3.0
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Phoenix said:
are you kidding? you dont think 12 million illegals are not a problem? a compromised border? and what about long time legal residents (like yours truly) who play by the rules and other people who are doing things by the book, it sets a bad precedent any way you slice it.
when i worked for a polling company (a major one, i'd rather not say who) for two years, that's all anyone would ever talk about. the illegal immigration. it's just now that politicos are finally doing something, a half-assed job to be sure but hey, better to do it today than never.
SatelliteOfLove
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Phoenix said:
Unknown; maybe its galvanizers within the Chicano population egging on the Beltway demagogues and vice versa just at this moment. /shrug
evil solrac v3.0
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Juice said:
but to be more specific, it's illegal ecuadorians and salvadorians.
Bush has been losing a lot of ground post-9/11 from his base because he has done little on the immigration and border-security issues, and what he *has* done--or at least has said about the issue--only pisses them off more. This /has been/ an issue, but now needs to be addressed by the Administration because of their low standing in the polls, again directly related to the loss of support from his base.Phoenix said:
soulja224466
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what a joke :lol
all the illegal immigrant "supporters" here never have any valid counter-points, so they resort to calling others ignorant and racist
all the illegal immigrant "supporters" here never have any valid counter-points, so they resort to calling others ignorant and racist
jamesinclair
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soulja224466 said:
"Can we just fucking assimilate with Mexico already? Christ. What the fuck does that country do anyway besides make babies?"
Thats not rascist at all.
jamesinclair said:
It's extremely not racist, as you shan't really finding racists that want assimilation of Mexico, but rather quite the opposite.
As for anyone suggesting that illegal immigration has been a non-issue until just recently, well, you're crazy. Completely crazy. Immigration has been an issue for decades. It's something people have been talking about forever. The big problem, though, is that the mass media absolutely loves illegal immigration and so it has been completely ignored. You'll find many people who have been complaining about illegal immigration for years that are simply disgusted with Bush's desperate pandering. Indeed, he loves illegal immigration as well, and so he's doing his best to advocated faulty solutions as it's about the only way he has to gain back support with his wholesale betrayal of conservative politics seeing him tanking. To suggest that the issue is just some "smoke-and-mirrors" crap brought up by Bush is either blatant ignorance or an attempt at the afforementioned "smoke-and-mirrors" from the other perspective.
As it stands, the citizens by and large want the issue resolved, and it is only out of sheer desperation that politicians are now deciding to actually listen to their constituency for once.
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