MGS3 or RE4?

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Speevy

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The games seem dissimilar, but I think they have a bit in common.

-High production values
-Pinnacle of their series
-A drastic change for the respective series
-Great pacing and dynamic content
-The best graphics you can get for the system they're on.


So, which is your favorite?
 
Absolutley loved every second of MGS3, and I am loving every second of RE4. I would have to give RE4 the nod because of it's sheer fun factor, though. The action is just great.
 
RE4 would be my pick, but the bottom line is that both games rock, and both games can still be grouped into two different genres. :)
 
I don't know. Both are incredible games, but very different. I don't want to compare them, unless it's just specific aspects (boss fights, art design, etc).

If I had to choose one, at the moment, it would be MGS3. But we'll see.
 
MGS3... oh, sorry, I meant, RE4, as MGS3 is major suckage made for japanese otakus with waaay too much time on their hands and RE4 rocks, I think... I haven't bought my 3rd GC yet. Man, so tired.
 
Speevy said:
I haven't played it. How about a "drastic evolution"? Does that accurately describe MGS3?
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Not really. The basic game mechanics are essentially unchanged. Some new moves, some slight added flexibility with the camera control, that's basically it.

RE4 on the other hand takes the series from being an unplayable outdated mess (RE0), to being a very well-produced title with annoying but managable controls + camera.
 
Just completed RE4.

Both of these games are the best of what the action genre has to offer.

I think Metal Gear Solid 3 is still a more "complete" experience. The plot/characterization/cutscenes/depth of gameplay all top RE4.

RE4, on the other hand, has just an incredible number of set pieces. It's like they saw the last 4 hours of MGS3, and decided to provide that level of action, that intensity, for a full 20 hour game.

I hope more talented Japanese devs try their hand at making Western Entertainment. Both these titles, I feel, tower above anything else offered on PC or consoles this gen.
 
Rhindle said:
How is MGS3 a drastic change?

I guess maybe in terms of having an intelligible story line.
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CQC, different setting, major nature interaction, camouflages, survival gameplay? That's more changes than 90% of sequels (prequels) nowadays have. Of course RE4's change is from the core, thus bigger.
I haven't played both and I'm hyped XXL for both, but I am sure I will love MGS3 more. Just for the story, because RE4 doesn't seem to deliver anything great in that aspect.
 
Rhindle said:
Not really. The basic game mechanics are essentially unchanged. Some new moves, some slight added flexibility with the camera control, that's basically it.
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That's not true. The camoflage system, the absence of the radar, and CQC change the gameplay mechanics quite a bit IMO.
 
Oh this thread is going to be horrible.

I'm just going to call them both EQUAL and pussy out. MGS3 has a way, way better climax and ending. RE4 has a higher quality to its visuals overall and manages to maintain the action at an intense level throughout nearly every moment of your playtime.

Victor: TIE.
 
I am MGS fan, I loved the story in MGS and MGS3, thought MGS2 was average.

Beat MGS3 a while back, it was a great game but it also had many problem. The camera system is just plain wrong, I dunno how anyone can use stealth with that camera system.

MGS3 doesn't belong on PS2; it belongs on a much more powerful platform IMO. It would be a better game if it was developed for Xbox or GC or some next-gen console. The PS2 is barely able to run the game in the last few levels.

MGS3 was rushed.

I am really not into the Resident Evil thing, got CVX for PS2 and hated it. Only played RE3 for 20 mins and didn't like it but I have always been kinda interested in the story :P

But RE4 looks awesome from the movie clips I have seen. The new camera system looks great, graphics look some the best on any console. They really took the series to a whole new level with GC, its makes perfect sense why the producer switched to GC.


RE4 > MGS3 (graphically) and probably gamplay wise too
 
RE4. I'm not done yet, but it's already blown me away. Maybe the feeling is more emotional because the series has become something all together different for me with this release...become great. I think it was really mediocre before though, and this is one of the best titles I've played this gen. I love the gameplay and the atmosphere is amazing. It's the fruition of the desire of these more recent gaming times which has something to do with both making a graphical set-up that brings you into a "movie" and yet wants it to remain interactive and within you're control. Skill and emotion. That proviso is important because the narrative isn't as good as a film and isn't supposed to fulfill that same criteria (to my way of thinking).



Goreomedy said:
I hope more talented Japanese devs try their hand at making Western Entertainment.
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Me too. And obviously I find the Western Entertainment clause apt. My preference takes nothing away from the obvious accomplishments of MGS3.
 
Not done with RE4 but if this level of excellence continues than it would be RE4 without a doubt in my mind.

This sort of comparison kind of saddens me because I know some fool is going to read this thread and will decide to ignore one in favor of the other, which is a sin according the to the Video Game God.
 
With all due respect to MGS3 (and in reference to the original post, which suggests that both games have great pacing), I think its pacing is a problem, especially at first. At this point, you shouldn't have to play a game for five hours to start enjoying yourself; I don't think most people would find the early going in MGS3 to be particularly entertaining, since you're mostly just listening to long-winded exposition and not doing anything too exciting gameplay-wise. But I agree that the two games share a lot in common...for example, RE4 seems to consciously lift the codec conversations from MGS, but purposely keeps them very short. RE4 also has some amazing cutscenes, but they're interactive, beyond just getting to look down at someone's boobs at a couple of moments. If MGS3 played anywhere near as good as RE4, it would have been a game that people outside of the core MGS fanbase could have really gotten into. I love the MGS3 story and like much of the gameplay, but it tried hard to cater only to its fans. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It just means RE4 is going to be a better game for just about anyone who hasn't already played MGS3.
 
MGS3 is leagues better than RE4, though RE4 is still phenomenal. MGS3 is flat out my best game of the generation.
 
I've been playing RE4 for about 3 hours now. Am I crazy, or does this game look better than pretty much any Xbox game? What the hell is wrong with Nintendo?
 
Speevy said:
I've been playing RE4 for about 3 hours now. Am I crazy, or does this game look better than pretty much any Xbox game? What the hell is wrong with Nintendo?
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Nah you're not. I was playing a bit showing off bits to a friend of mine, and we got to the part with the lava stuff. He looks at it, and sits there for a minute before going "that looks better than Ninja Gaiden." I have to agree. The texture, lava, lighting... everything is PHENOMENAL and its all in real-time too.
 
IAmtheFMan said:
Nah you're not. I was playing a bit showing off bits to a friend of mine, and we got to the part with the lava stuff. He looks at it, and sits there for a minute before going "that looks better than Ninja Gaiden." I have to agree. The texture, lava, lighting... everything is PHENOMENAL and its all in real-time too.
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My wife watches me play this game, and even see is remarking that this is great looking. She only did that with PDO.
 
MGS3 is so friggin' overrated.

RE4 completely DESTROYS it in every catagory other than storyline, and who needs that deep of a story in a game like RE?

RE4 wins, hands down. If you say otherwise, you haven't played RE4.
 
Anyone who uses the word 'overrated' should be banned for a week. Anyway, I'll get back to RE4 (haven't played it in 2 days) just to see what all the fuss is about.
 
I finished MGS3, and am currently playing RE4. I am a huge MGS fan, but I have to give the nod to RE4 this time.

I can't really choose one over the other, it's just that I'm a little more excited playing RE4 than when I was playing MGS3. Regardless, they are both must own titles.
 
uuggh.. I have to stop playing RE4 for a bit.. my freaking nerves just can't take it...

as to which is better.. I haven't played MGS3, but RE4 is like living in an extremely well directed horror movie.. and not a Scream or a From Dusk Til Dawn but a downright scary ass movie like the original Halloween, 28 Days Later, original Nightmare on Elm Street, etc...

man that game freaks me out...
 
MGS3 is my GOTY 2k4, the boss is my favorite character ever, but RE4 so far keeps delivering, it keeps getting better and better, as if that was imaginable, and im only on the first disk :D So far, i prefer RE4, the flow of the game is simply perfect, the graphics are mind blowing, to think they come out of the little cube, i've shown the game to a work colleague who is pretty much a very mainstream gamer and the guy is like 1 year from his retirement, really old guy and he owns an xbox, when i demonstrated RE4 and let him play for a few, he couldnt believe it, first i started from the beginning and played till i completed the village, then while his jaw was still open i loaded a save that was during night time near the graveyard, then gave him the controls :D

There's simply nothing imo that approach RE4's action and polish, MGS3 has the edge in story and cutscenes though. But as far as fun goes, RE4 all the way.
 
Both games are two of the best I have played in some time. Basically it comes down to...

Story = MGS3 > RE4

Gameplay = RE4 > MGS3

Metal Gear Solid 3 had one of the best stories I have ever seen in a game. If you enjoy the series to date it has many goosebump moments that are brilliantly excuted.

Resident Evil 4 finally changes the same crappy controls and just nearly avoids the Tomb Raider "Change The Fucking Game For Once" award. Story like most of Capcom games, is good but not hanging on every word good and takes a backseat to the mindless (but damn fun) killing.

So if I had to choose....I would say MGS3 only because the story rapes everything as well as the bosses who are the coolest I have seen in some time. But why not play both.
 
Even though am having a blast with RE4 I still have to give MGS3 the edge. I just love everything about that game plus some. RE4 is a great game though
 
I'll wait till I beat RE4 since alot of what made MGS3 so great is how it never lets up once it gets going. The final sequences i just a bunch of craziness one after another building up to the best ending i've seen in any game.
 
damn, the wait till the PS2 version is gonna be long. but anyway, how is RE4's gameplay so drastically different? arent you still running around solving puzzles and shooting zombies in between?
 
nitewulf said:
damn, the wait till the PS2 version is gonna be long. but anyway, how is RE4's gameplay so drastically different? arent you still running around solving puzzles and shooting zombies in between?
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Other way this time. There aren't alot of puzzles, it much more faster paced and you'll be fighting way more than you ever have in a RE game. It's the most action oriented survival horror title out there.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Other way this time. There aren't alot of puzzles, it much more faster paced and you'll be fighting way more than you ever have in a RE game. It's the most action oriented survival horror title out there.
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hot damn.
 
nitewulf said:
damn, the wait till the PS2 version is gonna be long. but anyway, how is RE4's gameplay so drastically different? arent you still running around solving puzzles and shooting zombies in between?
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The game is way more action packed. You actually buy weapons, upgrade them and you get lots of ammo on the way. By the end of the game, the kill count goes nearly 4 digits, that's how action packed this game is. There are puzzles but they don't get in the way. Backtracking has been toned way down. Actually there is hardly any backtracking. And there are no zombies...the enemies in the game are smart and they come in LARGE numbers.
 
as much as i'm loving RE4 right now (at about 16 hours in, just made it to disc 2), i'm probably going to give the nod to MGS3 so far.
 
I think RE4 and MGS3 are the two best console games of the last six months or so.

Gotta have both.

That said, RE4 is probably a little bit more of a "must play" game because it completely reinvents the franchise and the genre, whereas MGS3 is more of a sequel; one hell of a sequel, but a sequel nontheless.
 
This is sorta funny when you think about it since MGS3 was JUST crowned GOTY and even GOTG by many GAF'ers and not 2 months later a game comes along that tops it in many peoples eyes. The timing of RE4's release is the main reason why so many people are in love with it. We just DON'T expect to get a game of this calibur in the first month of the new year especially after so many great games were just released before it.

Since I haven't played through MGS3 I'll speak for my friend who has both games. He bought MGS3 4 days before RE4 came out and got up to "The End". He hasn't touched the game or even mentioned it since Tuesday hell I think he even forgot he owns it. I might have to remind him tomorrow to go beat MGS3 before continuing RE4 and see what he says but I think I know what the answer will be.
 
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