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[Ogbert]

with all this CMA shouldn't have dropped the console concerns

I've been saying this for weeks!

The cloud isn't the issue. It's a basic competition issue.

 

[Katatonic]

This is who xbox fans respect?

Guess the memo didnt go out telling these guys to STFU lol

 

[Topher]

"I do not see the point in putting games on other closed platforms"
-Phil Spencer

 

[F0rneus]

Wow. Imagine badically admitting you bought Bethesda because Sony was in talks for a likely timed exclusive starfield.

Fucking hell.

Believe me, when Sony tries to pull a stunt like that (and I think they will with a Japanese publisher), I'll shit all over them too.

 

[Bernoulli]

Spencer getting cooked

 

[Pelta88]

Dammmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn lol

 

[jm89]

Lying ass hoe is getting cooked.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

"I don't remember. But it would seem like a normal conversation"

LOLOLOLOL

IT WOULD SEEM NORMAL TO SKIP PLAYSTATION WITH ACTIVISION TITLES

 

[Rob_27]

He's being too nice. Answer yes no get fucked.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I've been saying this for weeks!

The cloud isn't the issue. It's a basic competition issue.

Cloud will be in issue in 10+ years. I bet the CMA seen redacted info that shows the "end game" for MS and the like. Which will be a cloud only device or app for gaming and no more traditional native console boxes.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

shit is getting fire

 

[BlueLyria]

Case by Case basis

 

[Heisenberg007]

Caught red-handed. "I don't remember." lol

 

[Dane]

He's complaining about Sony buying exclusive content like Deathloop and Ghostwire...

And he thinks the right call is to just buy publishers AND engage in the same strategy you are complaining about?

it's not about "Securing content" and keeping it on Xbox (while also allowing it on Playstation). It's about engaging in the SAME, if NOT WORSE, tactics than Sony by taking massive games off rival platforms.

This guy is such a snake oil salesman

Well, they could have chosen not to make it exclsuive

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

How Sony became market leader has nothing to do with this case. As a consumer I did not choose to be unable to play Spiderman on my Xbox. I had to buy a PlayStation for that, cause Sony made it exclusive. When someone mandates they stop doing that, then they can mandate Microsoft to do the same... Making games exclusive to your platform is something all 3 players do. Whether you promoted 100 guys from your mail room to make that game, or bought 100 guys from a smaller studio and made them your own matters for nothing. There is nothing in this deal that threatens fair market competition.

Game Exclusivity, per Sony even, has nothing to do with this acquisition. Sony doesn't want the deal to go through cause they have their boots on MS's throat in the console space, and MS getting Activision might give Xbox a sliver of life. Everyone is pretending it's something else but it's not. Xbox is trying to be more competitive, Sony is trying to block them from getting more competitive, and everyone is acting like MS is the bad guy here.

There, there. It's gonna be okay. I've got a shoulder you can lean on. Even some tissue if you need it.

Everything's gonna be alright.

 

[tmlDan]

he's really trying not to say yes about him discussing skipping PS for ABK titles.

So this basically confirms that they had conversations about skipping PS, and it's a potential scenario

 

[killatopak]

I think I'll just look at this thing once it's done. It's like I'm watching Depp vs. Heard again except there's no bee stepping, crazy psychologists and taking lots of drugs. Lots of ignoring the yes or no questions.

 

[DeepEnigma]

"I remember there were conversations with Activision for skipping PlayStation"
"I don't remember the conversations"

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Well, they could have chosen not to make it exclsuive

Right, they could have which is where you would trust their words. But their actions speak otherwise. If it's about ensuring it stays on Xbox, that doesn't mean you need to remove it from a platform it was already on

 

[Pelta88]

At the base level Phil Spencer is a stone cold liar.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Phil owning this lawyer is not even a joke.

Really?

 

[Venom Snake]

What the fuck is he doing, is that supposed to be his line of defence? After what we heard yesterday? It's like he's talking slightly tipsy to his faithful fan base, i just can't believe it.

 

[BlueLyria]

Really?

He's hearing the bizarro world version of the same audio as we are

 

[Dane]

Right, they could have which is where you would trust their words. But their actions speak otherwise. If it's about ensuring it stays on Xbox, that doesn't mean you need to remove it from a platform it was already on

Then why Sony made them exclusive when they were announced with no exclusivity attached and were expected to be multiplatform as it was the standard for Zenimax since Oblivion?

 

[Dick Jones]

I think I'll just look at this thing once it's done. It's like I'm watching Depp vs. Heard again except there's no bee stepping, crazy psychologists and taking lots of drugs. Lots of ignoring the yes or no questions.

I could have sworn Matt Booty said his dog stepped on a Wii

 

[zapper]

I did not expect such a confession

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Then why Sony made them exclusive

This isn't about Sony

 

[DeepEnigma]

Then why Sony made them exclusive when they were announced with no exclusivity attached and were expected to be multiplatform as it was the standard for Zenimax since Oblivion?

 

[Thirty7ven]

Strategic value is highly subjective, the case by case model

 

[jroc74]

Well, there were certainly some interesting things said today....whew.

 

[Rob_27]

They are both as bad as each other. If old Jim was in there he would be vague. You don't want to fuck yourself to much. But looks like Phil seems to have DP'd himself already.

 

[adamsapple]

My man with the strategic answers.

 

[DeepEnigma]

My man with the strategic answers.

"That does look like it can fit some cocaine in it, yes."

 

[NickFire]

I did not expect such a confession

FTC probably has paper trail. But yeah, this is potentially huge. If they were undecided before then it is not black and white for them. Which means they might change their mind again.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Oo damn. They were trying to make Minecraft Dungeons exclusive.

 

[Nothing1234]

Phil wanted Minecraft Dungeons to be exclusive.

 

[tmlDan]

omg Phil wanted Minecraft Dungeons to not be on other consoles too, they're showing a pattern of behaviour from the xbox leader

 

[Thirty7ven]

Oh Phil Spencer didn't want to ship Minecraft dungeons on PS/Nintendo

 

[Dick Jones]

My man with the strategic answers.

Strategic akin to invading Russia in Winter?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Oo damn. They were trying to make Minecraft Dungeons exclusive.

Another "good guy MS" narrative from the fanatics off the list whenever they bring up "but what about Minecraft."

 

[Jigsaah]

Is this actually live somewhere? Can we watch this?

 

[Topher]

Is this actually live somewhere? Can we watch this?

Listen here

 

[xHunter]

Wait, was CoD ever released earlier on PS4?

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

My man with the strategic answers.

He didn't say which Activision games though.

Because it's easy to predict which ones they could be when looking at the Zenimax strategy, and that doesn't help MS's case.

 

[adamsapple]

Another "good guy MS" narrative from the fanatics off the list whenever they bring up "but what about Minecraft."

"I agreed, but the game ended up on all platforms."

Considering he has the say in exclusivity, looks like he had a change of heart.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Wait, was CoD ever released earlier on PS4?

IIRC Only Modern Warfare 2 Remastered Campaign.

Edit: Yup, this is the one:

PlayStation 4
March 30, 2020
Windows, Xbox One
April 30, 2020

 

[Heisenberg007]

Another "good guy MS" narrative from the fanatics off the list whenever they bring up "but what about Minecraft."

Based on what they are talking about right now (regret) one title (= Minecraft) is because of the contract that forces them to release on PS / Nintendo. Phil regrets that.

 

[Ar¢tos]

How Sony became market leader has nothing to do with this case. As a consumer I did not choose to be unable to play Spiderman on my Xbox. I had to buy a PlayStation for that, cause Sony made it exclusive. When someone mandates they stop doing that, then they can mandate Microsoft to do the same... Making games exclusive to your platform is something all 3 players do. Whether you promoted 100 guys from your mail room to make that game, or bought 100 guys from a smaller studio and made them your own matters for nothing. There is nothing in this deal that threatens fair market competition.

Game Exclusivity, per Sony even, has nothing to do with this acquisition. Sony doesn't want the deal to go through cause they have their boots on MS's throat in the console space, and MS getting Activision might give Xbox a sliver of life. Everyone is pretending it's something else but it's not. Xbox is trying to be more competitive, Sony is trying to block them from getting more competitive, and everyone is acting like MS is the bad guy here.

Spider-Man is a licensed IP, Disney has to ok the exclusivity in a per game basis. Just like they did with Indiana Jones for Xbox.
Sony Pictures has the movie rights, Sony Interactive Entertainment has zero rights and has to negotiate per game.

 

[Elios83]

Phil wanted Minecraft Dungeons to be exclusive.

And they stated to regulators that Minecraft is where they were supposed to look at when thinking about COD

 

[adamsapple]

I think Derek meant to write "was paid" instead of "was paying" here ?