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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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ChorizoPicozo
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he does. with one of two things (or both):
1.Phil Spencer body pillow
2. Microsoft's Consoles
bitbydeath
Member
Did something blow up?
What’s going on?
What’s going on?
GHG
Gold Member
Based on how they are behaving its just going to be a flood of micropenises.
Topher
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Just idiots on twitter. No news
GHG
Gold Member
Lulu weaponsied the army, chaos ensued.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
some "journo" anus couldn't withstand all the shit on his way.
Heisenberg007
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Mibu no ookami
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they did in this case, but the circumstances were pretty unique. Basically, the company being purchased was going out of business, so the harm the participants was unavoidable. Divestiture was also difficult because the slate of stations were pretty diverse meaning that to find a buyer interested in buying and maintaining all of it was unlikely.
With Microsoft and ABK, first they haven't completed the merger, so there is really no cost or opportunity lost here. ABK has other interested buyers that wouldn't upend the industry and structural remedies exist such as selling COD or Activision or Activision Blizzard.
They've heard all of the pitches MS made to the EC and if behavioral remedies were going to suffice they would have listed them out here. The idea that they are genuinely considering behavioral remedies is like your parent says they'll think about it... the answer is already no.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
The only Japanese publishers worth buying are Capcom and Sega.
jm89
Member
I was thinking the same initially. But wasn't that hearing just for them to state their case? And EC wouldn't have giving much indication of where they stand until a few days/weeks after they review.
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DenchDeckard
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Oh dear, poor Chris Dring. He has been spotted siding with Sony before but it looks like he had a melt down the other way. Everyone's getting exposed.
We have loonies on all sides.
We have loonies on all sides.
ikbalCO
Member
Have sony made a presentstion to ec yet? Or will they be making one?
Do we know anything about it if it already happened?
Because i dont understand how it is convincing for regulatory bodies, to disregard a major console maker in your pie chart and then boast about a 10 year publishing deal with the same console maker?
Feels like everything MS presented and every argument they had seem pretty easy to debunk.
Do we know anything about it if it already happened?
Because i dont understand how it is convincing for regulatory bodies, to disregard a major console maker in your pie chart and then boast about a 10 year publishing deal with the same console maker?
Feels like everything MS presented and every argument they had seem pretty easy to debunk.
Snowdonhoffen
Member
What I just can't understand is how MS can say one thing in public that pretty much can be proven as misleading, doesn't that make them look bad in the regulator's eyes?
MS: "As long as there's a PlayStation out there to ship to, COD will release on it!"
Reality: "We're offering you 3 more years, Jimbo" (Jimbo calls it inadequate)
MS: "We don't care about COD, it's all about mobile!"
Reality: "Without COD there's no deal"
MS: "We have 120 million active users!"
Reality: "We have half of Sony's active users" (55 million~)
MS: "COD is available in 120 million devices, we want to make it available in more devices!"
Reality: PS4/5, Xbox One, Series X/S combined are around 200 million devices + god knows how many PCs
MS: "As long as there's a PlayStation out there to ship to, COD will release on it!"
Reality: "We're offering you 3 more years, Jimbo" (Jimbo calls it inadequate)
MS: "We don't care about COD, it's all about mobile!"
Reality: "Without COD there's no deal"
MS: "We have 120 million active users!"
Reality: "We have half of Sony's active users" (55 million~)
MS: "COD is available in 120 million devices, we want to make it available in more devices!"
Reality: PS4/5, Xbox One, Series X/S combined are around 200 million devices + god knows how many PCs
DenchDeckard
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Yeah, will be good to see what they come out with. I imagine it would just be something simple like "-we last attempted on wii u and that proved to not be commercially viable so we didn't assign resources for future iterations" no idea.
Cod hasn't been on a Nintendo system since cross accounts and cross play were a thing. I would 100 percent pick up cod on switch 2 if I have my account and can blast a few games in the hotel rooms when travelling for business. Its a whole new world of business opportunities and increased revenue for activision/MS so I can see why Ms are pushing it now.
I bet theres millions of customers who also own a switch that would play the game if they had their cod account on the system.
It would increase competition as Nintendo fan base would add an extra 150 million potential sales alone, 20 million in nvidias geforce now and also all xbox users being able to get it on xbox game pass in their sub a cheaper alternative to current 70 dollar games. Sony players may also be able to get it on ps plus extra or premium so could drive business there and a better deal for consumers.
Can you now be specific, and everyone else in this thread who is against it explain how it is harming us as consumers?
Be specific.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Yeah and Klobrille is probably near the top of the list.
ToadMan
Member
Thanks.
I figured there must be one somewhere.
But yeah this is a situation where divestment would in itself have harmed the industry because the acquired businesses were probably untenable.
DenchDeckard
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Loving these reporters coming out attacking fanbases.....for showing some love to cute LuLus energy yet they ignoring the fact that an actress from last of us 2 is still receiving death threats...but yeah....some pointless funny cute "energy" posts are over the line? Lmao
This whole thing just keeps delivering.
Patrick Klepel who I used to respect a lot but that guy chose the day side and tried to hide everything he used to be.
This whole thing just keeps delivering.
Patrick Klepel who I used to respect a lot but that guy chose the day side and tried to hide everything he used to be.
Mibu no ookami
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Not sure where you got the idea that Sony has a max of 10bn. They have 10bn remaining from money earmarked for M&A, which is a big difference from saying they have a cap. The reality is they would probably seek additional funding and/or leverage equity to make a larger deal.
Playstation is tremedously important to Sony, so you better believe they'd open up the coffers to protect their market share long-term. So I wouldn't take Take2 off the table by any means, especially if this ABK deal were to go ahead. It's also worth nothing that T2 is worth 18 billion, so 30 is pretty rich even with a strong premium.
You said it yourself, you don't buy Kadokawa just for FromSoftware. Either you buy FromSoftware from Kadokawa for less OR you buy the whole company with a larger strategic goal of incorporating them into their business.
I think you're confusing Sony's strategy and investments. It's not an either or situation here. Sony is known for smaller investments because they're less risky and easier to manage, that doesn't preclude a larger move like with Bungie.
The reality is Sony is going to do an all of the above strategy here. I don't see them buying Sumo Digital.
Media Molecule doesn't need a fire lit under them. They just produced Dreams which has a metacritic score of an 89. Their focus should be on Dreams PS5, Dreams PSVR2, and Dreams PC and monetization as a live service.
I would not partner with EA on Battlefield, that's a waste of money/time/resources. They have what they need from Deviation Games and Firewalk. They can make their own FPS and provide resources as needed.
Sony will almost certainly get LESS aggressive with marketing agreements for the remainder of the generation. These deals have a high operating cost, and Sony already has sufficient momentum.
ToadMan
Member
Sony were given some time to respond as were the other corporations represented.
But the fact finding event was closed door.
What we saw was some MS publicity spinning after they had said their piece in private.
Yes it is trivial to counter MS’s position but regulators are not perfect and MS will hope their bullshit baffles brains.
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DenchDeckard
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I wonder if Jordan Miller was around when a certain fanbase was literally sending death threats and demanding the exact contracts for the tomb raider deal with Microsoft.
That was wild on back then....insanity.
That was wild on back then....insanity.
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jm89
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Yeah sony did in the hearing on tuesday. All we know right now is the same thing MS showed to the public was also shown to the EC in the hearing.
Will have to wait and see how the EC received the presentation. But i'm of the opinion if this is what microsoft thought was enough to convince them, then maybe EC are very easily swayed. Whatever people think of brad smith his worked with the EC before so maybe he knows what it takes to convince them. Just my take.
Nothing1234
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Cute Lulu who is a rape/suicide apologist and union buster?
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Mibu no ookami
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Nothing really cute about what Lulu is doing. Pretty immature really. That these tweets are greenlit as part of corporate strategy tells you a lot about where Activision is in its mentality right now. I mean the CEO went on the news race-baiting against Asia to try to get support for this deal from the types of people who would gravitate to that...
Whoever ends up buying Activision next is going to clean house with upper management, you can be sure of that.
demigod
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I don’t get what everyone’s obsession with her. She’s a 6 to me, “maybe” a 7 if I’m horny.
Nothing1234
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DenchDeckard
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There is no obsession from me at all, I agree she's probs a 7. Didn't know she was a rape suicide apologist so that's not cool.
She's psycho, I was just trying to make fun of this whole situation she can do one if she's a rape/suicide apologist.
DenchDeckard
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Banjo64
cumsessed
That was 8 years ago brother, and I’m sure that insane element of the PS fanbase was reported on back then.
As to Lulu;
A. The meme was low energy.
B. She’s got a vested personal financial interest in this deal going through and is trying to manipulate her simps to sway public opinion.
C. She’s a 4.
Nothing1234
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- “The company was not perfect,” she said. “It's a company of over 10,000 people. Things did happen to real human women.” But, she said, some of it had “snowballed” in the press and she decided the company was “good at its core.”
Activision Blizzard plans a more outspoken approach
Company's head of comms talks scandals, unions and those Last of Us tweets
Mibu no ookami
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Microsoft lawyer says EU decision "disappointing"
Microsoft general counsel Brad Smith said on Monday a European Union court ruling upholding a key antitrust decision against his company was "a disappointing one" and he hoped compliance issues would be solved fast.
www.reuters.com
He doesn't have some sort of special sauce with the EU.
I wouldn't buy too much into his theatrics here either.
Microsoft Gambles on ‘Nice Guy’ Strategy to Close Activision Megadeal
Federal regulators have sued to block the $69 billion acquisition, but the company has settled on a path forward and is preparing to force the issue.
Didn't work with the FTC either.
intheinbetween
Member
If these agreements are occurring now and not before it’s because of applying behavioral remedies to please regulators. If MS hasn’t done this before it’s because it wasn’t of their interest, so without this deal these agreements wouldn’t happen
Ar¢tos
Member
Sumo Digital belongs to Tencent, buying it is off the table. That's why I said hiring them to make multiple games (like they did with Sackboy).
Mibu no ookami
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I wouldn't say she is a psycho.
She's a 36 year old in a glorified C suite position. She makes anywhere between 150-300K a year, probably on the lower end of that and she literally just got the position in October. She has A LOT riding on making this deal go through. Probably entire C Suite has bonuses attached to it.
She was part of the group "dealing" with the abuse allegations but she hasn't been a part of their company very long.
She is literally a paid shill, so it is what it is here. They brought her in because they think she has a pulse on communications with a younger contingent. She'll definitely get sacked when this fails and Activision or their new owner desires to bring the temperature down with Sony.
DenchDeckard
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Agree on all points but you still think this deal isn't going through?
I can't put my finger on it going either way so I'm just trying to stand in the middle and laugh at the madness.
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ToadMan
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1. MS acquisition is not required for the above to happen. If it makes so much business sense to you, ABK can do it as independents.
2. The deal is for 10 years - an arbitrary time limit that would not need to be applied with an independent ABK. MS create this new market that you claim will be very successful and then, at the end of 10 years remove COD and force those fans to an MS platform.
3 The existing CoD user base on PS also has a time limit on their enjoyment before being forced to an MS platform.
4. When MS has control of COD exclusively on its platforms, consumers will have reduced options of where to access that content compared to an independent ABK.
5. MS will be in a position to gouge consumers since they will control both content and means of delivery. Something that wouldn’t happen if ABK remained independent.
6. As a result of taking the revenue from competitors that helped keep them viable, MS will have achieved a coercive monopoly. Explaining why such an outcome is not in the best interest of consumers is outside the topic here - so I hope and trust that you can work that out for yourself. If not, maybe go look at the number one cause of personal bankruptcy in the US and work from there.
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Mibu no ookami
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Based on what the CMA has said, based on objections from the FTC and EC, no.
I think the CMA will outright block the deal and the FTC and EC will challenge it. Ultimately Microsoft will abandon it as it won't be worth continuing to pursue.
The only question is whether they are going to pay Activision 2.5 billion or 3 billion based on the timing of this. Or if Activision agrees to some sort of extension or remediation of the original agreement.
Gone
Banned
Didn't say the same games would be on both. I was talking about first party games and when are they being released on the Sub service of each company.
Gone
Banned
More like spend 10$ a month to play those two games with 200 more if you like.
And here's a surprise for you, you can actually buy those said games and "keep them".
Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
I remember you suggestion an AV bet with I think, toadman whether the deal goes through or not.
AV bets are passe. Wanna do a no nut bet? If the deal fails, you're not gonna nut for a whole month.
One of my friends challenged himself to no nut November and he had to burn himself with a lighter to control himself from nutting.
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knocksky
Banned
My money is on the CMA blocking the deal also
Yoboman
Member
Since when is engaging with your employees a bad thing?
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Stop parroting Microsoft's flimsy arguments.
The last time a COD game was on a Nintendo system it accounted for less than 1% of the sales. If Nintendo or Nintendo only players cared about COD on the Switch or Nintendo systems in general, they'd have made this happen a while ago. That deal was meaningless, and I'm very curious to see - when this acquisition goes through - if this year's COD releases on the Switch the same day it comes out everywhere else.
There was nothing stopping ABK from getting COD on GeForce Now and GamePass. My guess is only reason that hadn't happened before if ABK insisted on selling the game on Battle.net so they wouldn't have to share in the sale. They only recently went back to Steam.
You'll notice how Nintendo didn't bother putting out a statement about this and Gabe Newell said that the agreement was unnecessary. This is all performative.
The only evidence we have for how Microsoft deals with publishers it acquires, is Zenimax. When does Starfield come out on Playstation again?
Yoboman
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He has 123,000 followers just from crying about Sony and shilling Xbox
Deranged fanbase indeed
DenchDeckard
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You haven't said anything in this post that is of any form of fact. The fact is Activision didn't put cod on Nintendo platforms...MS have promised to and have also promised it will be given the resources to perform well. Activision didn't put call of duty on geforce now but Microsoft will.
It doesn't matter what Activision "could" do. They haven't. Your arguing in bad faith, what happens if only a million people want cod on Nintendo platforms...they don't deserve it because you want to talk percentages?
How do you know what it will sell with cross platform, cross play and the same overall experience and accounts? Tell me what revenue it will generate?
Also, Microsoft did not sign binding contracts to say that Bethesda would be multiplatform, they stated that it was to improve their exclusive output.
Be specific in who this deal jeopardises please? I want actual factual statements.
No one has answered these questions yet?
What cracks me up is all this talk, and while it may not be you specifically...there are those that welcome and champion the hope of Sony buying square Enix, buying capcom to make their games exclusive to playstation....but that's OK?
Do you think Sony would let monster hunter come out on switch if they bought capcom?
But, back on topic. Please be specific on who this deal harms? You can just say sonys bottom line...that's fine. At least you would be honest then.
drganon
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Considering how twitter works, most of those followers don't actually exist.
Ass of Can Whooping
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