Thirty7ven
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How is it pro competitive if competition won’t be able to make any revenue from those games? Absolutely idiotic.
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How is it pro competitive if competition won’t be able to make any revenue from those games? Absolutely idiotic.
The regulators already concluded that the catalog was not a concern for the high-end console market. The CMA objected based on the cloud market which is a different product offering.
Topher
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The only accusation I've made here is that your experience is anecdotal. Not sure what you think I'm "confidently ignorant" about. I didn't say you were wrong in what you experienced, now did I?
Ronin_7
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Next 2 years more likely, it'll be slow & painful
for me though, it'll be beautiful to see 
TheDreadLord
Member
The bottom line is that the UK is the only one not approving the deal. When everyone but you have the same opinion, something must be off.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Making a decision now based on a hypothetical 10 years later, when we don't know what state the gaming industry will be in, is kind of dumb. Look at Stadia, all that promise and what happened.
Additionally, the CMA can use the same justification about "they have cloud monopoly" to deny any future acquisitions even if they're a smaller studio while OK-ing acquisitions from other platform holders because they might not have a similar cloud infrastructure.
I'm glad at least one more major regulator outright dismissed it so there's more conversation on the subject.
Topher
Identifies as young
The FTC is fighting this deal as well.
DeepEnigma
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Thirty7ven
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EC didn’t approve without remedies which is what other regulators did. Are they off too or are you just being selective because you know.
TheDreadLord
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Nah, it will go through.
PaintTinJr
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It is completely out of context when all the opposition and concern against the deal is from a segment effected that is less than 20% of all gaming revenue in the gaming market. 1-3% versus 15-20% isn't quite as insignificant and small, especially when devices like potato PC and Switch are in that market share too., so emerging Cloud in relative terms is maybe as much as 5-10% already compared to high-end console gaming.
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TheDreadLord
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They didn’t block the deal. Requesting concessions it completely different than outright blocking the deal.
Topher
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Yes, but let's not pretend the CMA is alone in this fight. They simply are not.
Thirty7ven
Banned
You just moved the goal posts.
Solidus_T
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Yeah, why concern yourself with what is actually happening? Let's just pretend that the FTC isn't suing to block the deal as well
Mr Moose
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FTC: Am I a joke to you?
Have you tried to play any FPS on GeForce Now, Stadia, moonlight, or parsec? Or is your opinion purely hypothetical? GeForce now has a free tier in most regions. Why don't you fire up a game in competitive mode (in glorious 720p) and see the impact of input lag for yourself? The tech isn't suited for games like COD.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It truly is a script.
Is "it's a script" the new "everything I don't like is woke" ?
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sainraja
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If they only have to look at the market as it is today, what are they regulating? (in the market, as it is today, MS does not own Activision btw).
Why should the impact of the acquisition from now to 10 years later not matter?
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DeepEnigma
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Is "it's a script" the new "everything I don't like is woke" ?
DeepEnigma
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Exactly. Intellectually dishonest and being purposely obtuse repeating the scripted lines ala Sage and Mage, wayment.... Sage... Mage.... hmmmm
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You have different regulatory bodies coming to different outcomes about the perceived impact of the acquisition in 10 years so it's not like it's a unanimous or cut-and-dry outlook either.
sainraja
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From what I have understood so far, EC didn't disagree with what the CMA said about the cloud concern; they just went with the proposed remedies, which the CMA didn't go for.
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PaintTinJr
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I'm not saying it was, I'm saying that the impact in cloud of the ATVI catalogue is against the same high-end console market context. not the 85% of people playing Freecell, Minesweeper, angry birds etc on their smartphone, and the 1-3% figure shows her lack of knowledge to contextualise the issue in a meaninful way for the consumers most impacted by the proposed acquisition - which is supposed to be the job she is doing.
DeepEnigma
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They did not come to a different outcome on that, like at all. Just different decisions/remedies. They both literally agreed with one another on the state of the market in 10 years, just one chose the block path, the other chose the potential fine path, something the EU has been notorious for over the years. Free money at the expense of the consumers and markets.
But don't you worry, they will force a USB-C charger and maybe a sideload Trojan Horse. Those are major market wins for the consumer. /s
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Bernoulli
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Different outcome as in one was satisfied with the proposed remedies and one wasn't. (for now)
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DeepEnigma
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Topher
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I didn't express an opinion, hypothetical or otherwise. But yes, I've played Halo Infinite on xCloud and found it lacking. That is also anecdotal.
I could explain the physics of it to you but you would probably call my math anecdotal. I'll stick with confidently ignorant and let you be on your way.
Topher
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I will end the physics debate.
You can't solve the speed of light / distance to datacenters.
The end.
Anecdotal.
Topher
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Perhaps you should look up that word.
Dick Jones
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Kilau
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Topher
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And distance to datacenter isn't a constant, thus, experiences will vary.
demigod
Member
No chance, CMA already blocked it.
HoofHearted
Member
With Bernie at the helm...
You know damn well the FTC will fold faster than a house of cards in an earthquake..
I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see FTC drop it's stance and reach an agreement in the coming weeks for the same type of remedies that EC has just approved..
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bitbydeath
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To sum things up?
DeepEnigma
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fuck_diggity_cunt_ingdon
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The VPN market is about to explode in the UK lol
Good dog. Possibly anecdotal. Need to see peer reviewed research before petting.
HoofHearted
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And this is why I read this thread..To sum things up?
DeepEnigma
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SoloKingRobert
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You don't need VPN. On Xbox consoles or Windows you'd just change your region to access games from other countries on Xbox Game Pass.
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ToadMan
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China is a named regulator in the shareholder briefing so their approval is required too.
The math checks out.
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