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[Bernoulli]

Where do we see that Microsoft introduced an appeal to CAT?
BTW Mercedes F1 hired Paul Harris wich is a King/Queen councelor to try appeal the 2021 Title after getting stolen at abu dhabi

But even Harris ( wich is the best kind of lawyer you can get) told them there was no way to win against CAS ( like the CAT/CMA but for sports) and he is the one that already won against the Fifa

So don't trust the they hired big lawyers so the will win

 

[Dick Jones]

Oh hell. Someone with the skills needs to edit a gif of ed 209 blowing away that dude in the office and put a caption of cma over him

I thought I deleted that video of ED-209 blowing that guy...away

 

[Thirty7ven]

UK regulators must understand need to promote growth, Hunt says

British regulators should understand the need to promote growth, finance minister Jeremy Hunt said on Wednesday when asked about the UK's antitrust watchdog's decision to block Microsoft's $69 billion acquisition of Activision .

www.reuters.com

Speaking at the British Chambers of Commerce’s annual conference, he said: “When it comes to Microsoft, there was a merger between two American companies that the US regulator is seeking to block, and the UK regulator took the same view.

“I think one of the reasons that companies like Microsoft and Google want to invest in the UK is because we have independent regulators that are not controlled by politicians and therefore they can be confident there will be a level playing field.

“I would not want to undermine that at all, but I do think it’s important all our regulators understand their wider responsibilities for economic growth.

“But for our tech sector, it isn’t just about being able to get through big deals, competition really matters.”

 

[gothmog]

Oh hell. Someone with the skills needs to edit a gif of ed 209 blowing away that dude in the office and put a caption of cma over him

So who is going to be RoboCop in this scenario?

 

[Thirty7ven]

Where do we see that Microsoft introduced an appeal to CAT?
BTW Mercedes F1 hired Paul Harris wich is a King/Queen councelor to try appeal the 2021 Title after getting stolen at abu dhabi

But even Harris ( wich is the best kind of lawyer you can get) told them there was no way to win against CAS ( like the CAT/CMA but for sports) and he is the one that already won against the Fifa

So don't trust the they hired big lawyers so the will win

Man Shitty has an army of lawyers that backed up the process past expiration date. They didn't prove Shitty's innocence or "defeated" UEFA in anything other than reminding people UEFA has a shitty rule.

There's no expiration date on the PL charges though.

 

[Ogbert]

Never have I ever thought that a corporation can threaten another country's government. I thought this only existed in books/movies or videogames. It's mind-blowing. If you don't think this is incredulous and scary, I don't know what to say.

Why is it scary?

What if the government is wrong?

 

[Thirty7ven]

So who is going to be RoboCop in this scenario?

Brad Smith is Dick Jones that's for fucking sure.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

So who is going to be RoboCop in this scenario?

Jim Ryan of course.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Why is it scary?

What if the government is wrong?

Sorry but are we taking about a 2 trillion dollar company threatening a government because they aren't being allowed to feed the poor or something? Are they being fined for doing nothing illegal?

 

[splattered]

I really wasn't sure before how this deal was gonna go... I voted yes with behavior remedies. After all it's going on right now though I feel like it's just going to go through against all odds and heads are going to explode haha people are going to be like what the hell everything's corrupt I give up this is stupid I hate everything blah blah blah

 

[adamsapple]

Never have I ever thought that a corporation can threaten another country's government. I thought this only existed in books/movies or videogames. It's mind-blowing. If you don't think this is incredulous and scary, I don't know what to say.

*cough*

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2016/03/29/how-one-hedge-fund-made-2-billion-from-argentinas-economic-collapse/

 

[Dick Jones]

Brad Smith is Dick Jones that's for fucking sure.

What did I ever do to you?

 

[jm89]

“But for our tech sector, it isn’t just about being able to get through big deals, competition really matters.”

CMA right now with this article.

 

[Banjo64]

Man Shitty has an army of lawyers that backed up the process past expiration date. They didn't prove Shitty's innocence or "defeated" UEFA in anything other than reminding people UEFA has a shitty rule.

There's no expiration date on the PL charges though.

You should read the CAS report in full, it’s much shorter than anything in this case.

Only the Etisalat deal was time barred. Everything else was heard, and we absolutely wiped the floor with Der Speigal and UEFA. (I think we even made all evidence available in relation to the Etisalat charge also, even though it was time barred).

CAS fined us for failing to cooperate with UEFA. HOWEVER, they agreed with City’s assertion that it was UEFA leaking stuff to the press constantly.

 

[drganon]

I really wasn't sure before how this deal was gonna go... I voted yes with behavior remedies. After all it's going on right now though I feel like it's just going to go through against all odds and heads are going to explode haha people are going to be like what the hell everything's corrupt I give up this is stupid I hate everything blah blah blah

Keep huffing that hopium and its going to damage your brain.

 

[Thirty7ven]

You should read the CAS report in full, it’s much shorter than anything in this case.

Only the Etisalat deal was time barred. Everything else was heard, and we absolutely wiped the floor with Der Speigal and UEFA. (I think we even made all evidence available in relation to the Etisalat charge also, even though it was time barred).

Won't bother.

Everybody knows City does financial doping through inflated sponsorships, and let's not forget Mancini was on a shadow contract. Dude was being paid to consult once in a blue moon for some club over you know where and getting paid big money.

Let's not pretend City got where they are through some sort of organic growth. I'm not dismissing the fact that Guardiola is a great coach, best in the world.

 

[Ar¢tos]

When is China supposed to announce their decision?

 

[ReBurn]

UK regulators should consider need for economic growth, warns Chancellor

It comes weeks after the UK competition watchdog halted the 68.7 billion dollar (£55 billion) deal by Microsoft to buy Activision Blizzard.

www.independent.co.uk

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Since when does the CMA regulate investment in the UK?

They don't directly. But there's tons of empirical evidence that businesses won't invest in places with an unfavorable regulatory or legal environment. The decisions regulators make factor into the decisions of companies that do business there.

 

[Ogbert]

City serve their purpose.

They are a plastic footballing shell created to ensure that Chelsea, Arsenal and UTD never win the league.

These terms are acceptable.

 

[Ogbert]

Won't bother.

Everybody knows City does financial doping through inflated sponsorships, and let's not forget Mancini was on a shadow contract. Dude was being paid to consult once in a blue moon for some club over you know where and getting paid big money.

Let's not pretend City got where they are through some sort of organic growth. I'm not dismissing the fact that Guardiola is a great coach, best in the world.

There was that absurd report where people were supposed to buy that City are a larger footballing entity, in terms of revenue and commercial clout, than Real.

 

[Bernoulli]

Never have I ever thought that a corporation can threaten another country's government. I thought this only existed in books/movies or videogames. It's mind-blowing. If you don't think this is incredulous and scary, I don't know what to say.

It happens all the time, especially in poor countries it's so easy to get approval with money
That's why brazil approved instantly and any other country would because it brings money
Europe for example approved because they know they can get cash later when pursuing for anti competition after the merger
It's heroic what the CMA is doing and it knows that Microsoft won't dare go ahead without them because of the 10% of fines on worldwide revenue

 

[Banjo64]

Won't bother.

Everybody knows City does financial doping through inflated sponsorships,

Pointless commenting then if you’re just going to believe everything that’s written in the tabloids the accounts are fully audited by Deloitte, combed through by UEFA and are a matter of public record.

and let's not forget Mancini was on a shadow contract. Dude was being paid to consult once in a blue moon for some club over you know where and getting paid big money.

You’re talking about something that allegedly happened in 2008 or 2009 how far back do you want to go? Fergie bought Gigg’s parents a house to poach him from City’s academy and United have been filing their taxes in the Cayman Islands for the last 20+ years. Chelsea, Arsenal, AC Milan, Madrid and Inter have all been financially doped at some point in their history. Bayern Munich have had actual board members imprisoned and are currently doing what you accuse City of (sponsored by related parties).

Bottom line, whoop de doo.

Let's not pretend City got where they are through some sort of organic growth. I'm not dismissing the fact that Guardiola is a great coach, best in the world.

I couldn’t care less about organic growth, which is just a fairytale people like to tell themselves whilst justifying poaching Ajax/Southampton/Everton/West Ham etc best players to keep them small and ensure they can never organically grow.

 

[jm89]

At the very least city are giving us good watchable football with their money spending, while ms on the other hand.....

Not to defend city with whatever allegations are being thrown at them, tbh haven't got a clue haven't been following it that closely.

 

[Sony]

There are 4 regulators that are big and actually matter enough for Microsoft and ABK to mention by name. The approval of this merger depended on their unanimous approval.

• FTC = Has blocked
• CMA = Has blocked
• EU = Behavioral remedies
• China (?) = No decision yet.

So as of now, EU is in the minority as both the FTC and CMA have blocked this acquisition. Even if China approves, it'll only be balanced.

I think that it's important to note that the grounds on which FTC has blocked the deal is not shared by CMA. They're less aligned than it seems. As stated in Financial Times:

"In the US case, the FTC’s arguments remain focused on consoles, despite both the UK and now EU determining that the risk to Sony from the deal is limited given the PlayStation’s dominant market share".
https://www.ft.com/content/5c5cc937-8209-4648-892a-ed74c37d4240

FTC remain the joke here.

 

[Banjo64]

But anyway, on topic, Lord Pannick is the best lawyer money can buy - but he cannot literally change the law of the land and as far as I can see there’s very little he will be able to do for MS here.

 

[jm89]

I think that it's important to note that the grounds on which FTC has blocked the deal is not shared by CMA. They're less aligned than it seems. As stated in Financial Times:

"In the US case, the FTC’s arguments remain focused on consoles, despite both the UK and now EU determining that the risk to Sony from the deal is limited given the PlayStation’s dominant market share".
https://www.ft.com/content/5c5cc937-8209-4648-892a-ed74c37d4240

FTC remain the joke here.

Nope. FTC are also looking at concerns in the cloud market. Lina khan even mentions markets that are developing. Sound familiar?

 

[Bernoulli]

But anyway, on topic, Lord Pannick is the best lawyer money can buy - but he cannot literally change the law of the land and as far as I can see there’s very little he will be able to do for MS here.

The brussel beating lawyer was hire in march and he is the one that helped for the cloud remedies but still failed
Beard something

 

[Topher]

They don't directly. But there's tons of empirical evidence that businesses won't invest in places with an unfavorable regulatory or legal environment. The decisions regulators make factor into the decisions of companies that do business there.

Sure, but clearly he is lumping all regulatory bodies together for effect. Microsoft is obvioulsy not going to stop investing in UK because of this decision.

Microsoft backs British AI start-up despite row over blocked Activision deal

Tech giant continues prior trend to double down on the controversial technology

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Topher]

I really wasn't sure before how this deal was gonna go... I voted yes with behavior remedies. After all it's going on right now though I feel like it's just going to go through against all odds and heads are going to explode haha people are going to be like what the hell everything's corrupt I give up this is stupid I hate everything blah blah blah

That is going to be the reaction from those on the fringe regardless of whether the deal goes through or not. People need to not be emotionally invested in this. It is a fun topic to argue about and debate, but the world is not going to end either way.

 

[Bernoulli]

I think that it's important to note that the grounds on which FTC has blocked the deal is not shared by CMA. They're less aligned than it seems. As stated in Financial Times:

"In the US case, the FTC’s arguments remain focused on consoles, despite both the UK and now EU determining that the risk to Sony from the deal is limited given the PlayStation’s dominant market share".
https://www.ft.com/content/5c5cc937-8209-4648-892a-ed74c37d4240

FTC remain the joke here.

Everyone downplaying the FTC
What will happen if they are the one that end up killing the deal?

 

[Sony]

Nope. FTC are also looking at concerns in the cloud market. Lina khan even mentions markets that are developing. Sound familiar?

Sure, but they formally haven't changed their stance on console SLC like CMA did. Thus, formally, FTC is the only one that thinks Sony's console business will get significantly hurt bij the acquisition. Idiots.

 

[splattered]

Keep huffing that hopium and its going to damage your brain.

No hopium here, I can play the games wherever I need to like I've always said. I just really do think now Microsoft is some how going to make this happen and piss a lot of people off haha but ehhh if they don't they don't. But that would be the more boring outcome

 

[Topher]

I think that it's important to note that the grounds on which FTC has blocked the deal is not shared by CMA. They're less aligned than it seems. As stated in Financial Times:

"In the US case, the FTC’s arguments remain focused on consoles, despite both the UK and now EU determining that the risk to Sony from the deal is limited given the PlayStation’s dominant market share".
https://www.ft.com/content/5c5cc937-8209-4648-892a-ed74c37d4240

FTC remain the joke here.

Eh.....really? After the CMA blocked this, I was reading that they were the joke for making cloud the issue.

 

[jm89]

Sure, but they formally haven't changed their stance on console SLC like CMA did. Thus, formally, FTC is the only one that thinks Sony's console business will get significantly hurt bij the acquisition. Idiots.

The only idiot here is you. Cause you got caught with your bullshit.

 

[splattered]

That is going to be the reaction from those on the fringe regardless of whether the deal goes through or not. People need to not be emotionally invested in this. It is a fun topic to argue about and debate, but the world is not going to end either way.

Facts!

 

[drganon]

No hopium here, I can play the games wherever I need to like I've always said. I just really do think now Microsoft is some how going to make this happen and piss a lot of people off haha but ehhh if they don't they don't. But that would be the more boring outcome

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Sony]

Eh.....really? After the CMA blocked this, I was reading that they were the joke for making cloud the issue.

They are. I said FTC remain. CMA make a choice I don't agree with because they speculate on a future market based on wrong information.
FTC however has a factually wrong stance with regard to console SLC. They're the bigger joke.

 

[DeepEnigma]

All this batshit craziness online just to take COD away from PlayStation and hope it’s a silver bullet for Xbox.

The most bipolar community of fans I’ve ever seen online.

FTFY

Let's call a spade a spade here. Your average normie gamer has no idea any of this is going on, and the most hardcore lunatics losing their shit, is really the reason why. They don't even play CoD, and we can search this thread and others where they blatantly said, "to knock PS down a peg, taste of their own medicine, derpity doo da!"

Instead of wanting their brand of worship to oh you know, do better with all the vast amounts of IPs and most studios in the industry they already do own. It's about playing takeaway, not improvement.

Race. To. The. Bottom. They would salt the land before conceding that their team needs to improve.

“But for our tech sector, it isn’t just about being able to get through big deals, competition really matters.”

Case in point. They conveniently snipped this part out, innit.

Disingenuous shills. The lot of them.

 

[Dick Jones]

So who is going to be RoboCop in this scenario?

Dick Jones

That's long term storytelling. Like my long arms when falling down to the ground

 

[Topher]

They are. I said FTC remain. CMA make a choice I don't agree with because they speculate on a future market based on wrong information.
FTC however has a factually wrong stance with regard to console SLC. They're the bigger joke.

But EC also speculates on a future market and implements a remedy for that future market. How are they not a "joke" then?

And CMA did not speculate on a future market based on wrong information. That was the basis for the calculation of market share for the current market.

This logic seems to follow that any decision not favorable to allowing the acquisition is a joke.

 

[DeepEnigma]

But EC also speculates on a future market and implements a remedy for that future market. How are they not a "joke" then?

Because they didn't say no,

The doublespeak and mental gymnastics are a sight to behold, but not unexpected.

 

[SomeGit]

Where do we see that Microsoft introduced an appeal to CAT?
BTW Mercedes F1 hired Paul Harris wich is a King/Queen councelor to try appeal the 2021 Title after getting stolen at abu dhabi

But even Harris ( wich is the best kind of lawyer you can get) told them there was no way to win against CAS ( like the CAT/CMA but for sports) and he is the one that already won against the Fifa

So don't trust the they hired big lawyers so the will win

To be fair, Mercedes actually had a good chance to win, but the most CAS could have done is void/null the race, which would still make Max WDC.
It's why Mercedes dropped it, there is no way to appeal one racing lap. It also the same reason Massa is now challenging Singapore 2008, because voiding the race would make him 2008's WDC.

 

[Bernoulli]

To be fair, Mercedes actually had a good chance to win, but the most CAS could have done is void/null the race, which would still make Max WDC.
It's why Mercedes dropped it, there is no way to appeal one racing lap.

They did it recently in F2
The fia voided the last lap and kept the results
Same with Australia in 2023
We could've had the best ending of the season and max would have won the next 2 years anyway but they preferred to rob Hamilton
Even if they won the appeal the FIA would do anything to not make it right

 

[Dick Jones]

They did it recently in F2
The fia voided the last lap and kept the results
Same with Australia in 2023
We could've had the best ending of the season and max would have won the next 2 years anyway but they preferred to rob Hamilton
Even if they won the appeal the FIA would do anything to not make it right

Mercedes fucked up by not pitting a few laps earlier when Lewis asked them could he pit (around the same time as Max's second last pit) People tend to ignore the fuck up by Toto. Not absolving others of their contributions obviously.

 

[SomeGit]

They did it recently in F2
The fia voided the last lap and kept the results
Same with Australia in 2023
We could've had the best ending of the season and max would have won the next 2 years anyway but they preferred to rob Hamilton
Even if they won the appeal the FIA would do anything to not make it right

That was different, in F1 (and other FIA categories) when there is a red flag or race suspension the only result that count is the last sector (or lap I forget which one) that every car crossed. It was the same for the Silverstone 2022 restart or even why the race winner changed in Brazil 2003.
But after the race is over CAS can't selectively delete a lap, if CAS found any breach in the procedures the only option they have is to void the race.

 

[Bernoulli]

That was different, in F1 (and other FIA categories) when there is a red flag or race suspension the only result that count is the last sector (or lap I forget which one) that every car crossed. It was the same for the Silverstone 2022 restart or even why the race winner changed in Brazil 2003.
But after the race is over CAS can't selectively delete a lap, if CAS found any breach in the procedures the only option they have is to void the race.

This should have been fixed when they introduced a review to the stewards, it was either restart the race but keep the lapped cars, or unlap everyone and start the LAP AFTER everyone has unlapped themselves

 

[Bernoulli]

Mercedes fucked up by not pitting a few laps earlier when Lewis asked them could he pit (around the same time as Max's second last pit) People tend to ignore the fuck up by Toto. Not absolving others of their contributions obviously.

Nope by following the rules they were 100% on the right that the race won't restart, if they woild have pitted the race would've finished under safety car in P2

Anyway, do we get informed ln the CAT appeal on what they are appealing ? The end is the 22 strange that there is now leak or news about it

 

[Dick Jones]

Nope by following the rules they were 100% on the right that the race won't restart, if they woild have pitted the race would've finished under safety car in P2

Not the last safety car, I'm only about an earlier time in the race (I'm thinking about 16 laps or so to go). Hamilton wanted to pit and was told no.

With somewhat fresher tyres I think Lewis would have held Max off at the end.

How the race ended was dogshit.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I think that it's important to note that the grounds on which FTC has blocked the deal is not shared by CMA. They're less aligned than it seems. As stated in Financial Times:

"In the US case, the FTC’s arguments remain focused on consoles, despite both the UK and now EU determining that the risk to Sony from the deal is limited given the PlayStation’s dominant market share".
https://www.ft.com/content/5c5cc937-8209-4648-892a-ed74c37d4240

FTC remain the joke here.

FTC is looking at console, cloud, and multi-game subscription services.

 

[sainraja]

CMA ‘Overstated’ Microsoft’s Cloud Gaming Share in Activision Blizzard Decision, EU Says​

https://gamerant.com/cma-overstated-microsoft-cloud-gaming-share/

CMA counted every GamePass subscriber as a cloud user? What a clown show if true.

Like it or not, it is not the CMA that is bundling their cloud service with Game Pass. That decision is exclusively Microsoft's. If you are a subscriber to Game Pass Ultimate, you have access to xCloud, and therefore you are also a cloud user. If this explanation does not help, see below.

If I subscribe to Netflix and don't use it, what would you call me? Am I not a subscriber of Netflix since I am not using the service?