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[IFireflyl]

Interesting, I didn't know about the "that no reasonable competition authority could have reached the same decision in the same situation" part.

The EU approval, regardless of whether they had the same concerns as CMA, reached a different verdict and is a viable case point for the CAT appeal.

The keywords were "could have reached the same decision". It doesn't state that another regulator had to have come to the same decision. Just because the EC accepted the remedies doesn't somehow mean that the CMA had to accept the remedies. The EC had the same cloud concerns, so the EC could have come to the same decision as the CMA. That shows there was no irrationality.

 

[Flutta]

I wonder how Sony is gonna prepare itself for future cloud gaming.
It's inevitable that cloud gaming is going to replace consoles in the future as it's the most effective way to reach a lot of customers. Especially now that we have smart tvs and the ability to have your own streaming app.

No need to worry about fantasies like "Cloud gaming". Most Americans have slow internet, the TV's your talking about will crash and burn. They can't even handle the apps they are running, imagine streaming AAA games.

Cloud gaming is just a fad, like meta. It will go away soon.

Just sit back relax and play some ToTk instead of worrying about Teh Cloud.

 

[PropellerEar]

I wonder how Sony is gonna prepare itself for future cloud gaming.
It's inevitable that cloud gaming is going to replace consoles in the future as it's the most effective way to reach a lot of customers. Especially now that we have smart tvs and the ability to have your own streaming app.

Gamers will go where the great games are...

 

[Braag]

is this real?

I mean... isn't that what every brand aims for? I'm sure Jim Ryan would love to achieve mindshare for video games, but it's gonna be hard because of Nintendo, not because of Xbox.

 

[gametimedecision]

No need to worry about fantasies like "Cloud gaming". Most Americans have slow internet, the TV's your talking about will crash and burn. They can't even handle the apps they are running, imagine streaming AAA games.

Cloud gaming is just a fad, like meta. It will go away soon.

Just sit back relax and play some ToTk instead of worrying about Teh Cloud.

Is there really people here genuinely worried about cloud gaming? lol it literally was only brought up to block the merger. In all reality cloud gaming is pointless and that’s been proven time and time again.

 

[X-Wing]

I don't know if cloud is that irrelevant. I have good internet connection and frequently stream games from PS+ instead of downloading them (usually when I'm not sure if the game is worth wasting time downloading) and have a pretty good experience. It's pretty convenient tbh.

 

[gametimedecision]

is this real?

Definitely and let’s be real Sony is already close, even tho Nintendo clearly has a different model than what Sony or Microsoft does I wonder what Jim can do to hurt Nintendo? Sure we find out soon.

 

[feynoob]

Gamers will go where the great games are...

It's great to have great games, but sometimes a change of field can disrupt everything.

This is the market that will have a great disruption in the future, due to how easy access it is.

I hope Sony doesn't neglect this market and invest as much as possible.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

It's great to have great games, but sometimes a change of field can disrupt everything.

This is the market that will have a great disruption in the future, due to how easy access it is.

I hope Sony doesn't neglect this market and invest as much as possible.

what market?

 

[harry mason 1989]

Congratulations to city fans

 

[Nydius]

Is there really people here genuinely worried about cloud gaming? lol it literally was only brought up to block the merger. In all reality cloud gaming is pointless and that’s been proven time and time again.

If that's your argument, then you are directly claiming that Microsoft themselves are complete and utter morons because they've spent the last several years talking about how cloud gaming is the future of the industry. Phil has been banging the cloud gaming drum since at least 2019.

Until the CMA decision, Microsoft/Xbox fanboys couldn't shut the fuck up about xCloud and the future of cloud gaming.
They reveled in the failure of Stadia as it meant xCloud was the preeminent market leader.
Now it's "cloud gaming is pointless and a fad".

Can't have it both ways.
Which is it, brand consumer?

Edit: Alas, another "Neo Member" with sub-50 posts to ignore.
Wonder how many of these are Sage or people Sage is directing to come spam these boards.

 

[Dick Jones]

Congratulations to city fans

Those 2 fans will appreciate you

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's great to have great games, but sometimes a change of field can disrupt everything.

This is the market that will have a great disruption in the future, due to how easy access it is.

I hope Sony doesn't neglect this market and invest as much as possible.

How are you being so cogitatively dissonant to what they have been doing the past 3-5+ years on record?

 

[gametimedecision]

If that's your argument, then you are directly claiming that Microsoft themselves are complete and utter morons because they've spent the last several years talking about how cloud gaming is the future of the industry. Phil has been banging the cloud gaming drum since at least 2019.

Until the CMA decision, Microsoft/Xbox fanboys couldn't shut the fuck up about xCloud and the future of cloud gaming.
Now it's "cloud gaming is pointless and a fad".

Can't have it both ways.
Which is it, brand consumer?

Edit: Alas, another "Neo Member" with sub-50 posts to ignore.
Wonder how many of these are Sage or people Sage is directing to come spam these boards.

I’m living in reality, do you think cloud gaming is the future of gaming? Listen we are both on the same side, we both just wanted the merger to be blocked, no matter what the CMA blocked it so we won regardless.

 

[Three]

If you are a subscriber to Amazon Prime, you have access to Luna and therefore you are also a cloud user.

I guess anybody with an xbox account is also an xcloud subscriber.

 

[jm89]

Until the CMA decision, Microsoft/Xbox fanboys couldn't shut the fuck up about xCloud and the future of cloud gaming.
They reveled in the failure of Stadia as it meant xCloud was the preeminent market leader.
Now it's "cloud gaming is pointless and a fad".

 

[DeepEnigma]

Who's "we" ?

Oh, right. Paid shill, as we all called it from day zero.

 

[feynoob]

How are you being so cogitatively dissonant to what they have been doing the past 3-5+ years on record?

Psnow have been in limbo for too long.
Without PS+ premium merge, It could have been bad.

 

[feynoob]

Congratulations to city fans

I knew Madrid couldn't hold on. These guys lost their sight this year.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Psnow have been in limbo for too long.
Without PS+ premium merge, It could have been bad.

And? It's better than ever now. But, not the main focus in current year, as it shouldn't be.

But with that said, it's arguably putting on much more attractive content, even as a side service, than the competition who's focus of theirs as their main service.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Psnow have been in limbo for too long.
Without PS+ premium merge, It could have been bad.

no need to pivot.

Sony has shown pro-activeness towards new technology/services and business models/distributions.

 

[PropellerEar]

It's great to have great games, but sometimes a change of field can disrupt everything.

This is the market that will have a great disruption in the future, due to how easy access it is.

I hope Sony doesn't neglect this market and invest as much as possible.

Gamers will be gamers...
GoW:R or Redfall to choose on cloud?
Easy choice.

 

[Sleepwalker]

This is just so tiresome. All of it. The hopium, the copium, the paid bloggers to spread misinformation. Microsoft really is an evil corporation.

 

[sainraja]

It’s more like saying all Amazon Prime subscribers are music and game streamers, since it give you access to their music and game streaming.

Most people don’t use these extra features regularly if at all.

It’s up to the CMA to have the intelligence to understand this.

It really doesn't matter if people use them or not. Microsoft wants to make its subscription attractive by bundling it with xCloud, leveraging their existing user base to get a leg up on their competitors. So, if it is still not clear to you, MS added that as a benefit of being a subscriber to Ultimate to make their service more attractive to people.

If you still need help understanding the point as to how doing this now can have an impact in the future, then answer this for me....why do you think MS included xCloud as an Ultimate benefit? What do you think is their goal?

What others do or do not do should not matter, as they are not the ones trying to buy Activision, lol. If they were, then yes, that would be a point raised by CMA against them as well.

 

[SoloKingRobert]

I guess anybody with an xbox account is also an xcloud subscriber.

You can't access Xcloud with an Xbox Account. You need an Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription. With Luna that just released in the UK last month, you only need to be an Amazon Prime member to access Luna games.

 

[Three]

You can't access Xcloud with an Xbox Account. You need an Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription. With Luna that just released in the UK last month, you only need to be an Amazon Prime member to access Luna games.

Yes you can:

Xbox Support

support.xbox.com

On Luna to access the actual games library you need to pay for Luna+. The prime sub gives you access to games like fortnite and some EGS type freebies.

 

[SoloKingRobert]

Yes you can:

Xbox Support

support.xbox.com

Anyone with an GeForce Now account can access Fortnite for Free. The point is, there's more cloud services in the UK that dominates Xcloud. Expecially, with Xcloud there's a limit with 5k users max that can stream at the same time.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You can't access Xcloud with an Xbox Account. You need an Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription. With Luna that just released in the UK last month, you only need to be an Amazon Prime member to access Luna games.

No, you are allowed access to F2P (Fortnite) and a small handful or games that rotate in and out every month. You still need a separate sub for full access and not lose monthly rotations.

Prime members will have access to a monthly rotating selection of games at no extra cost. This month it includes Capcom's Mega Man 11.

However, the main bulk of Luna's offering is available with Luna+. It's a monthly subscription offering access to a diverse range of games, including indies and retro games, priced at £8.99 per month.

On top of that, Amazon has partnered with Ubisoft to provide access to AAA titles like Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Watch Dogs and more for £14.99 per month. In addition, a subscription to Jackbox Games is available for £3.99 per month. Amazon is aiming to partner with more publishers in the future.

Amazon Luna game streaming service now available in the UK

Amazon's cloud-based gaming service Luna is now available in the UK, as well as Germany and Canada.

www.eurogamer.net

Right now, these are the only Prime games that will be rotated out,

 

[Heisenberg007]

You can't access Xcloud with an Xbox Account. You need an Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription. With Luna that just released in the UK last month, you only need to be an Amazon Prime member to access Luna games.

Using this logic, you also don't need an Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription to access xCloud. You only need a ROG Ally or a Lenovo laptop or a pack of Pringles to access xCloud.

 

[SoloKingRobert]

Using this logic, you also don't need an Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription to access xCloud. You only need a ROG Ally or a Lenovo laptop or a pack of Pringles to access xCloud.

"limited to 5k max users in the UK who can stream at the same time with xcloud

 

[DeepEnigma]

"limited to 5k users in the UK.

The market has chosen, so thus, the 3rd largest company should not be allowed to alter it at the consumer's expense for their current failures.

 

[Three]

Anyone with an GeForce Now account can access Fortnite for Free.

Ok?

Look I get it you're upset that the deal was blocked but have you considered the fact that the marketshare the CMA used was based on average monthly active users? Not simply subscribers, accounts or whatever.

 

[Banjo64]

Madrid will win next week

 

[GHG]

You struggle to see it because you can't seem to see beyond this one acquisition. The corporate world doesn't need quotes around it. It is literally every company in existence. But if that's too large for you we can limit it to tech companies. Companies don't flock to areas that are unfriendly to their business. They tend to reduce their investments or just leave because there's usually some other city, town, region, etc. that will allow what the other won't.

With the CMA targeting large tech companies like Microsoft and Meta primarily because they are large it sets a precedent that the UK is not friendly to tech. Most tech startups happen with the expectation that at some point there will be a big payout when a larger company acquires them or they IPO. That's how they secure funding. Most don't make it to IPO. If acquisitions by large tech companies are off the table in the UK then someone with an idea to sell will incorporate somewhere else and those nascent markets will manifest elsewhere.

That's simply not true and it's a fact. If that were the case then inward investment across the Eurozone (inclusive of the UK prior to Brexit) would have dried up long ago given their more stringent process and tough reputation regarding regulation. A thriving start-up scene offers a lot more to society as a whole than an environment that is focused on being protective of the largest multi-national firms, particularly ones that aren't even headquartered in the region.

And no, most tech start-ups are not formed under the premise of being bought out at some point, they are formed because they believe there is an opportunity to make money by filling a gap in the market, whether that's improving on existing products/services or through offering something unique. A potential buyout at some point is a bonus, not the goal. As a business owner let me tell you for a fact that it's not the business owners themselves who make any notion of a potential takeover the focus, it's external investors who will do that (and they will gladly do that on your behalf without you even asking for it, particularly those with ties to the biggest banks/businesses).

It has been and will still remain an attractive place for companies to invest and do business in. Why the fuck should they focus on being friendly/favourable towards US big tech? What an outlandish and arrogant stance to have that it's somehow a negative to want to reign them in and open up opportunities for companies in their own country/region to thrive?

 

[Topher]

"limited to 5k max users in the UK who can stream at the same time with xcloud

Who cares? The EC and the CMA did not require remedies because of the state of the cloud market right now. Both are looking towards the market growth in the future.

 

[feynoob]

Banjo64
Your shit team are going to win the UCL this year.

 

[GHG]

Banjo64
Your shit team are going to win the UCL this year.

 

[Banjo64]

Banjo64
Your shit team are going to win the UCL this year.

Thx bbe x

 

[GHG]

Man city lose their final 3 league games, arsenal take the title in the last minute of the season.

Inter scrap to a 1-0 win in a final fraught with controversy.

City beat man united to the FA cup, winning on penalties to take a consolation cup for the season.

Lord Pannick falls on his face and Man City get hit with points deductions and transfer bans going into next season.

 

[Banjo64]

Man city lose their final 3 league games, arsenal take the title in the last minute of the season.

Inter scrap to a 1-0 win in a final fraught with controversy.

City beat man united to the FA cup, winning on penalties to take a consolation cup for the season.

Lord Pannick falls on his face and Man City get hit with points deductions and transfer bans going into next season.

Alternatively - we arse fuck Chelsea so hard their anus resembles the Channel Tunnel

 

[feynoob]

They got lakaka. They will get demolished super fast.

 

[feynoob]

Man city lose their final 3 league games, arsenal take the title in the last minute of the season.

Inter scrap to a 1-0 win in a final fraught with controversy.

City beat man united to the FA cup, winning on penalties to take a consolation cup for the season.

Lord Pannick falls on his face and Man City get hit with points deductions and transfer bans going into next season.

I got a bad news.
Little Gabi is injured for the rest of the season.

 

[Bernardougf]

When football fans are more chill than gamers.. cmon guys .. lets throw some curses and threats in this conversation !

 

[devilNprada]

Reluctant is a key word.

 

[Banjo64]

When football fans are more chill than gamers.. cmon guys .. lets throw some curses and threats in this conversation !

you think me threatening chelsea fc with anal fissures is chill?

 

[Bernardougf]

you think me threatening chelsea fc with anal fissures is chill?

Ahhh missed that... now we're talking

 

[harry mason 1989]

Forza nerazzurri
Forza inter Milan
We all must support inter to defeat man city

 

[Loxus]

Anyone know how true this is?

 

[Banjo64]

Anyone know how true this is?

All I know is that Millie A ain’t shit compared to Millie B



The greatest lyricist of our time. Our Northern Queen.

 

[sachos]

I fear the acquisition race that this whole thing will ignite, either approved or not. At this point we just need to hope that the respective new owners of said acquisitions end up improving and fostering creativity for their new studios... Do Activision own F.E.A.R, Soldier of Fortune IPs? I would like to see those revived at least...