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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?


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IFireflyl

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Interesting, I didn't know about the "that no reasonable competition authority could have reached the same decision in the same situation" part.

The EU approval, regardless of whether they had the same concerns as CMA, reached a different verdict and is a viable case point for the CAT appeal.

The keywords were "could have reached the same decision". It doesn't state that another regulator had to have come to the same decision. Just because the EC accepted the remedies doesn't somehow mean that the CMA had to accept the remedies. The EC had the same cloud concerns, so the EC could have come to the same decision as the CMA. That shows there was no irrationality.
 

Flutta

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I wonder how Sony is gonna prepare itself for future cloud gaming.
It's inevitable that cloud gaming is going to replace consoles in the future as it's the most effective way to reach a lot of customers. Especially now that we have smart tvs and the ability to have your own streaming app.

No need to worry about fantasies like "Cloud gaming". Most Americans have slow internet, the TV's your talking about will crash and burn. They can't even handle the apps they are running, imagine streaming AAA games.

Cloud gaming is just a fad, like meta. It will go away soon.

Just sit back relax and play some ToTk instead of worrying about Teh Cloud.

Happy Water GIF
 
I wonder how Sony is gonna prepare itself for future cloud gaming.
It's inevitable that cloud gaming is going to replace consoles in the future as it's the most effective way to reach a lot of customers. Especially now that we have smart tvs and the ability to have your own streaming app.
Gamers will go where the great games are...
 
No need to worry about fantasies like "Cloud gaming". Most Americans have slow internet, the TV's your talking about will crash and burn. They can't even handle the apps they are running, imagine streaming AAA games.

Cloud gaming is just a fad, like meta. It will go away soon.

Just sit back relax and play some ToTk instead of worrying about Teh Cloud.

Happy Water GIF
Is there really people here genuinely worried about cloud gaming? lol it literally was only brought up to block the merger. In all reality cloud gaming is pointless and that’s been proven time and time again.
 
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X-Wing

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I don't know if cloud is that irrelevant. I have good internet connection and frequently stream games from PS+ instead of downloading them (usually when I'm not sure if the game is worth wasting time downloading) and have a pretty good experience. It's pretty convenient tbh.
 

feynoob

Banned
Gamers will go where the great games are...

It's great to have great games, but sometimes a change of field can disrupt everything.

This is the market that will have a great disruption in the future, due to how easy access it is.

I hope Sony doesn't neglect this market and invest as much as possible.
 
It's great to have great games, but sometimes a change of field can disrupt everything.

This is the market that will have a great disruption in the future, due to how easy access it is.

I hope Sony doesn't neglect this market and invest as much as possible.
what market?
 

Nydius

Member
Is there really people here genuinely worried about cloud gaming? lol it literally was only brought up to block the merger. In all reality cloud gaming is pointless and that’s been proven time and time again.

If that's your argument, then you are directly claiming that Microsoft themselves are complete and utter morons because they've spent the last several years talking about how cloud gaming is the future of the industry. Phil has been banging the cloud gaming drum since at least 2019.

Until the CMA decision, Microsoft/Xbox fanboys couldn't shut the fuck up about xCloud and the future of cloud gaming.
They reveled in the failure of Stadia as it meant xCloud was the preeminent market leader.
Now it's "cloud gaming is pointless and a fad".

Can't have it both ways.
Which is it, brand consumer?

Edit: Alas, another "Neo Member" with sub-50 posts to ignore.
Wonder how many of these are Sage or people Sage is directing to come spam these boards.
 
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If that's your argument, then you are directly claiming that Microsoft themselves are complete and utter morons because they've spent the last several years talking about how cloud gaming is the future of the industry. Phil has been banging the cloud gaming drum since at least 2019.

Until the CMA decision, Microsoft/Xbox fanboys couldn't shut the fuck up about xCloud and the future of cloud gaming.
Now it's "cloud gaming is pointless and a fad".

Can't have it both ways.
Which is it, brand consumer?

Edit: Alas, another "Neo Member" with sub-50 posts to ignore.
Wonder how many of these are Sage or people Sage is directing to come spam these boards.
I’m living in reality, do you think cloud gaming is the future of gaming? Listen we are both on the same side, we both just wanted the merger to be blocked, no matter what the CMA blocked it so we won regardless.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Psnow have been in limbo for too long.
Without PS+ premium merge, It could have been bad.
And? It's better than ever now. But, not the main focus in current year, as it shouldn't be.

But with that said, it's arguably putting on much more attractive content, even as a side service, than the competition who's focus of theirs as their main service.
 
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It's great to have great games, but sometimes a change of field can disrupt everything.

This is the market that will have a great disruption in the future, due to how easy access it is.

I hope Sony doesn't neglect this market and invest as much as possible.
Gamers will be gamers...
GoW:R or Redfall to choose on cloud?
Easy choice.
 
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sainraja

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It’s more like saying all Amazon Prime subscribers are music and game streamers, since it give you access to their music and game streaming.

Most people don’t use these extra features regularly if at all.

It’s up to the CMA to have the intelligence to understand this.
It really doesn't matter if people use them or not. Microsoft wants to make its subscription attractive by bundling it with xCloud, leveraging their existing user base to get a leg up on their competitors. So, if it is still not clear to you, MS added that as a benefit of being a subscriber to Ultimate to make their service more attractive to people.

If you still need help understanding the point as to how doing this now can have an impact in the future, then answer this for me....why do you think MS included xCloud as an Ultimate benefit? What do you think is their goal?

What others do or do not do should not matter, as they are not the ones trying to buy Activision, lol. If they were, then yes, that would be a point raised by CMA against them as well.
 
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Three

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You can't access Xcloud with an Xbox Account. You need an Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription. With Luna that just released in the UK last month, you only need to be an Amazon Prime member to access Luna games.
Yes you can:


On Luna to access the actual games library you need to pay for Luna+. The prime sub gives you access to games like fortnite and some EGS type freebies.
 
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DeepEnigma

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You can't access Xcloud with an Xbox Account. You need an Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription. With Luna that just released in the UK last month, you only need to be an Amazon Prime member to access Luna games.
No, you are allowed access to F2P (Fortnite) and a small handful or games that rotate in and out every month. You still need a separate sub for full access and not lose monthly rotations.

Prime members will have access to a monthly rotating selection of games at no extra cost. This month it includes Capcom's Mega Man 11.

However, the main bulk of Luna's offering is available with Luna+. It's a monthly subscription offering access to a diverse range of games, including indies and retro games, priced at £8.99 per month.

On top of that, Amazon has partnered with Ubisoft to provide access to AAA titles like Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Watch Dogs and more for £14.99 per month. In addition, a subscription to Jackbox Games is available for £3.99 per month. Amazon is aiming to partner with more publishers in the future.

Right now, these are the only Prime games that will be rotated out,
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
You can't access Xcloud with an Xbox Account. You need an Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription. With Luna that just released in the UK last month, you only need to be an Amazon Prime member to access Luna games.
Using this logic, you also don't need an Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription to access xCloud. You only need a ROG Ally or a Lenovo laptop or a pack of Pringles to access xCloud.
 
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GHG

Gold Member
You struggle to see it because you can't seem to see beyond this one acquisition. The corporate world doesn't need quotes around it. It is literally every company in existence. But if that's too large for you we can limit it to tech companies. Companies don't flock to areas that are unfriendly to their business. They tend to reduce their investments or just leave because there's usually some other city, town, region, etc. that will allow what the other won't.

With the CMA targeting large tech companies like Microsoft and Meta primarily because they are large it sets a precedent that the UK is not friendly to tech. Most tech startups happen with the expectation that at some point there will be a big payout when a larger company acquires them or they IPO. That's how they secure funding. Most don't make it to IPO. If acquisitions by large tech companies are off the table in the UK then someone with an idea to sell will incorporate somewhere else and those nascent markets will manifest elsewhere.

That's simply not true and it's a fact. If that were the case then inward investment across the Eurozone (inclusive of the UK prior to Brexit) would have dried up long ago given their more stringent process and tough reputation regarding regulation. A thriving start-up scene offers a lot more to society as a whole than an environment that is focused on being protective of the largest multi-national firms, particularly ones that aren't even headquartered in the region.

And no, most tech start-ups are not formed under the premise of being bought out at some point, they are formed because they believe there is an opportunity to make money by filling a gap in the market, whether that's improving on existing products/services or through offering something unique. A potential buyout at some point is a bonus, not the goal. As a business owner let me tell you for a fact that it's not the business owners themselves who make any notion of a potential takeover the focus, it's external investors who will do that (and they will gladly do that on your behalf without you even asking for it, particularly those with ties to the biggest banks/businesses).

It has been and will still remain an attractive place for companies to invest and do business in. Why the fuck should they focus on being friendly/favourable towards US big tech? What an outlandish and arrogant stance to have that it's somehow a negative to want to reign them in and open up opportunities for companies in their own country/region to thrive?
 
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GHG

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Man city lose their final 3 league games, arsenal take the title in the last minute of the season.

Inter scrap to a 1-0 win in a final fraught with controversy.

City beat man united to the FA cup, winning on penalties to take a consolation cup for the season.

Lord Pannick falls on his face and Man City get hit with points deductions and transfer bans going into next season.

Happy Kamala Harris GIF by The Democrats
 
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Banjo64

cumsessed
Man city lose their final 3 league games, arsenal take the title in the last minute of the season.

Inter scrap to a 1-0 win in a final fraught with controversy.

City beat man united to the FA cup, winning on penalties to take a consolation cup for the season.

Lord Pannick falls on his face and Man City get hit with points deductions and transfer bans going into next season.

Happy Kamala Harris GIF by The Democrats
Alternatively - we arse fuck Chelsea so hard their anus resembles the Channel Tunnel
 

feynoob

Banned
Man city lose their final 3 league games, arsenal take the title in the last minute of the season.

Inter scrap to a 1-0 win in a final fraught with controversy.

City beat man united to the FA cup, winning on penalties to take a consolation cup for the season.

Lord Pannick falls on his face and Man City get hit with points deductions and transfer bans going into next season.

Happy Kamala Harris GIF by The Democrats
I got a bad news.
Little Gabi is injured for the rest of the season😭.
 
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sachos

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I fear the acquisition race that this whole thing will ignite, either approved or not. At this point we just need to hope that the respective new owners of said acquisitions end up improving and fostering creativity for their new studios... Do Activision own F.E.A.R, Soldier of Fortune IPs? I would like to see those revived at least...
 
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