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[Topher]

Kotick making shit up?

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

MS and Activision burning all their chances and good will down by losing their fuckin minds.

 

[begotten]

Just doing some catching up.

Can someone tell me wtf is a Boosteroid

 

[mansoor1980]

MS is gonna go cry to US Congress again, aren't they?

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

5-10 Min a day to get that game pass membership for free. I find it very worth it. Part of my morning routine.

Let me see if I got this shit correct...

Let's take those 10 mins a day x 30 days... that's 300 minutes... divide by 60, that's a grand total of 5 hours.

Gamepass is around 10$ a month, so that means you got the equivalent of 10$ for 5h of work... Split that shit by 5 and you're working for a trillion dollar company at the going rate of $2 per hour...

My guy, i have a massive lawn in my property, i'll double that fee and you come and mow it for me once a month, how's that for a deal?
Will you shill for me in gaming forums at that rate?

 

[jm89]

Just doing some catching up.

Can someone tell me wtf is a Boosteroid

Romanian Ukrainian based cloud gaming provider

 

[fart town usa]

If Game Pass ever started to offer anything per-minute, they would lose everyone over to PS Plus and vice versa in an instant. It would be the biggest shitstorm in video game history.

And Microsoft's other subscription services don't hint at anything like this.

And Xbox is not going the Netflix route of closed ecosystems, they are open to publish on other platforms.

If anything, right now it's Playstation's position as the premium console manufacturer that is creating an environment with absurdly priced hardware and VR devices because of the lack of competition in that space.

That's because Sony follows a strict policy of ABAP.

 

[Nydius]

Sad Brad Smith

Sad BRAD, would make for a great Garbage Pail Kids card, similar to this, only with a dude in a suit. Holding an Xbox controller.

 

[Varteras]

And commitment.

and sheer, fucking, will!

 

[Bernoulli]

i saw this comment by the user CeeCee about the CMA appeal theories

Right - y'all made me dig out my login for the first time in three years so you better all appreciate this.

First up, I have a professional background related to this issue.

Second, There are at least 4 major errors of fact or understanding which are running endemic in the thread:

1. That the CMA is in any way subject to government intervention/"just take them to court". The appeal process goes to a tribunal, which can only intervene if their action was illegal, had incorrect process or was irrational. There is no other route to appeal to the courts and the UK Government cannot intervene even if they want to. The CMA is not run or controlled by the Government - attacking the CMA means you are attacking an independent organisation, not the UK Government or the Conservative Party.
2. That irrational carries a colloquial meaning. Just because you think a conclusion is wrong does not make it irrational. Irrational, in this context means that it is so unreasonable that no rational person could reasonably have reached this conclusion.
3. That the probability of the appeal succeeding is anything other than very low. Success rate at the CAT is not high, and a success would just mean that the CMA has to remake the decision having fixed whatever the issue in their process was.
4. That the CMA is a political body, "overpaid", "idiots", or any other ad-hominem attack. The CMA is an independent body, staffed by people with deep and extensive knowledge and experience of competition law and issues, who are paid less than they could earn in the private sector (even quite senior staff are generally paid less than £100k). From professional experience, I can confidently say that the quality of the CMA's work and people is highly-regarded by professionals in the field.

Also, please stop bringing up Brexit. In fact, as a fun bonus, EU competition policy is exactly what most people in this thread seem to not want - a heavily political process. EU decisions are made by the Commission - a body heavily subject to political influence. UK decisions are made by a politically independent body. To be explicitly clear: if you prefer the EU process, you prefer a political process.

and about the Fosspatent delusional theory

I have worked on a number of situations related to the UK's national security laws. The idea that they apply here is one of the most absurd legal suggestions I have ever seen in my life.

 

[DJ12]

This is not a controversial take. The problems around expenses and time management of big modern triple-A games are not unusual topics. Buddy. You don't think Sony finds it problematic that God of War takes 5-6 years to produce?

Ok so you want much shitter games and less reason to play them.

Are you even a Gamer bro.

 

[3liteDragon]

Microsoft's 'good guy' approach frays in UK gaming battle

Microsoft’s charm offensive with the world’s governments is starting to lose some of its luster as the software giant is confronting its toughest antitrust scrutiny since co-founder Bill Gates was in charge. A blow came this week when British regulators said they would block Microsoft’s planned...

apnews.com

I have to say, is probably the darkest day in our four decades in Britain,” the company’s president, Brad Smith, told BBC Radio 4. “It does more than shake our confidence in the future of the opportunity to grow a technology business in Britain than we’ve ever confronted before.”

“Basically, this is Microsoft and Brad Smith throwing their toys out of the pram after they didn’t get the decision they wanted after all the lobbying they did,” said Max von Thun, director of the Europe office of the Open Markets Institute, a proponent of stronger antitrust enforcement.

 

[GHG]

I am replying to what you said about an Xbox monopoly leading to server-based charging.

Exactly. Meaning if you had read the CMA's decision then you wouldn't be pointing to Sony and Nintendo as prime examples of being capable of preventing them from effectively monopolising that space. It's a lot more complex than that owing to the fact that infrastructure is required.

 

[zomboden]

Let me see if I got this shit correct...

Let's take those 10 mins a day x 30 days... that's 300 minutes... divide by 60, that's a grand total of 5 hours.

Gamepass is around 10$ a month, so that means you got the equivalent of 10$ for 5h of work... Split that shit by 5 and you're working for a trillion dollar company at the going rate of $2 per hour...

My guy, i have a massive lawn in my property, i'll double that fee and you come and mow it for me once a month, how's that for a deal?
Will you shill for me in gaming forums at that rate?

It's game pass ultimate which is worth $15 so I'm getting atleast $2.75 an hour for the work. Maybe even $3.

 

[Zok310]

MS trying to keep all revenue for their games streamed by other cloud services.

 

[solidus12]

Seems like Timdog is menstruating

 

[jm89]

MS trying to keep all revenue for their games streamed by other cloud services.

If that's the deal that the European commission are gonna potentially approve on, good grief.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

It's game pass ultimate which is worth $15 so I'm getting atleast $2.75 an hour for the work. Maybe even $3.

 

[TrippleA345]

This is it. I feel like I'm in BlueBox 2.0, and I'm loving every second.

Every time I see his face, I have to laugh. But the events and reactions today, surpassed everything

 

[Yoboman]

MS trying to keep all revenue for their games streamed by other cloud services.

So basically

We are fine with other streaming providers, so long as they don't have a store front

 

[Zok310]

If that's the deal that the European commission are gonna potentially approve on, good grief.

The EC is setting themself up to be incompetent or corrupt.... possibly both. Worst part is nintendo and nvidia agreed to this?

In favor of a horrible deal for cloud/streaming competitors to MS.
Could care less about console concerns.
Hires former microsoft economics consultant to work for the EC as of last week.

 

[jm89]

Seems like Timdog is menstruating

His twitter handles must be giving him PTSD.

It was first pn4lyfe which stood for project natal 4 lyfe, project natal being kinect. One of the contributers to the disaster of the Xbox one.

Now it's xcloudtimdog, xcloud the thing that helped get the abk deal blocked. The deal that may have saved them from their self inflicted disaster to the Xbox brand.

 

[Bragr]

Ok so you want much shitter games and less reason to play them.

Are you even a Gamer bro.

Exactly the sort of answer I expected.

 

[Bragr]

Exactly. Meaning if you had read the CMA's decision then you wouldn't be pointing to Sony and Nintendo as prime examples of being capable of preventing them from effectively monopolising that space. It's a lot more complex than that owing to the fact that infrastructure is required.

No, this is not a problem anyone had but CMA, because they overrate the possibility of Microsoft staying ahead in tin-foil hat scenarios. If we were talking about cloud infrastructure and expenses right now it would be one thing, but the idea that they would consolidate to the point where everyone would become a non-factor over time is nonsensical. Even now, PS Plus can match them. Offering cloud services is gonna be a gigantic business and Microsoft will never be able to shut the competition down to the extent where it will "harm gamers".

 

[mckmas8808]

Activision's probably not open to making these kind of deals like MS is. It they were, don't you think it would already be a thing?

That's silly. And we know Activision is open to making these kinds of deals due to the info we got from his investigation.

 

[Jigsaah]

Welp that's it. No shot this goes through now. Michael Pachter has spoken.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Let me see if I got this shit correct...

Let's take those 10 mins a day x 30 days... that's 300 minutes... divide by 60, that's a grand total of 5 hours.

Gamepass is around 10$ a month, so that means you got the equivalent of 10$ for 5h of work... Split that shit by 5 and you're working for a trillion dollar company at the going rate of $2 per hour...

My guy, i have a massive lawn in my property, i'll double that fee and you come and mow it for me once a month, how's that for a deal?
Will you shill for me in gaming forums at that rate?

It’s hilarious how little self awareness some people have. Get on a trillion dollar thread mill like a little rat for 2$ an hour, hell on earth.

 

[Elios83]

If that's the deal that the European commission are gonna potentially approve on, good grief.

EU is generally more concerned about their decisions being able to pass internal legal tests so that they're confident that if their decisions are appealed they won't lose and appear weak and misguided.

But it's clear there's a lot of alignment between EU and CMA, they both dropped the console SLC concerns, they are concerned about the cloud market. Europe has delayed their decision twice, they asked Microsoft to expand on their proposed remedies so we know they were/are not satisfied with them.
They're on the same track, the difference is that they might not have had the confidence to be the first to block but CMA's decision has basically spearheaded the road for them as well.
If they block Microsoft would have all three most important regulators botching the deal. There's no appeal or comeback from that.

So at this point I wouldn't bet on anything about EU either.

 

[Thief1987]

How many Microsoft games are there currently on other cloud providers?

You know the answer

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

It’s hilarious how little self awareness some people have. Get on a trillion dollar thread mill like a little rat for 2$ an hour, hell on earth.

Thank you, I thought I was being gaslighted for a moment there

 

[Thief1987]

It’s hilarious how little self awareness some people have. Get on a trillion dollar thread mill like a little green rat for 2$ an hour, hell on earth.

 

[envyzeal]

You know the answer

I honestly didn't but as it took a while for a reply I've done my research and...there wasn't any, only that offer to please EU regulators. Well, if they're so committed, they should put their games anyway. Is it only worth putting on GeForce NOW if they close the deal?

 

[Dick Jones]

Just doing some catching up.

Can someone tell me wtf is a Boosteroid

It's Romanian for Hemorrhoids or is it Ukrainian word for it?

 

[mckmas8808]

MS trying to keep all revenue for their games streamed by other cloud services.

So Microsoft in those 10-year agreements with those cloud providers were going to get 100% of the in-game purchases? WTH!!!??

 

[Eotheod]

It’s hilarious how little self awareness some people have. Get on a trillion dollar thread mill like a little rat for 2$ an hour, hell on earth.

Wait, why is spending a few hours getting free shit bad? Realistically, do you truly spend all your spare time doing something actually productive? Pulling yourself doesn't count, that's only beneficial to the tissues mositure soaking capabilities.

 

[Bernoulli]

this means microsoft wanted to keep 100% of in game transactions instead of 30%
why did companies accept this 10 year contract ?

 

[Zok310]

Welp that's it. No shot this goes through now. Michael Pachter has spoken.

What the fuck is he talking about? The CMA is DONE DONE, No more negotiations. The time to offer them deals are over and gone. No more deals can be accepted by the CMA. Pacter dont know shit. How are we the gamers more informed than this guy?

 

[Zok310]

So Microsoft in those 10-year agreements with those cloud providers were going to get 100% of the in-game purchases? WTH!!!??

Like Jim Ryan said "inadequate"

 

[Crayon]

What is it with these journalists shilling for Microsoft. It’s embarrassing

Fans go hard on forums and social because there's a precedent for going pro nut-hanger. Look at a timdog, or a ryan, or an orth, or a klobrille or many others. Notice me senpai.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Well, if they're so committed, they should put their games anyway. Is it only worth putting on GeForce NOW if they close the deal?

You are very smart, my boy....

It was a scam to make the deal pass.

I don't even know why Nintendo and Nvidia signed that useless 10-year deal. Maybe they did to gain something in case the deal passed...

 

[Iced Arcade]

this means microsoft wanted to keep 100% of in game transactions instead of 30%
why did companies accept this 10 year contract ?

Yeah that is some pretty shady shit if true.

 

[mckmas8808]

Welp that's it. No shot this goes through now. Michael Pachter has spoken.

Is Michael Pachter drunk? Why does he think the CMA is still negotiating with MS? The decision has been MADE!

Like Jim Ryan said "inadequate"

OH SNAP! Remember when the gaming world joked on Jim Ryan for saying that word? Now look.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Like Jim Ryan said "inadequate"

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Seems like Timdog is menstruating

I bet is through his butthole.

 

[Dick Jones]

You are very smart, my boy....

It was a scam to make the deal pass.

I don't even know why Nintendo and Nvidia signed that useless 10-year deal. Maybe they did to gain something in case the deal passed...

Nintendo knew that Microsoft couldn't get a native version running on the Switch. Signing the deal was the only was for Nintendo to get Brad Smith to fuck off.

The meeting did provide Miyamoto with an idea to include piecharts in the next Mario game. Say nothing as Nintendo are litigious.

 

[Zok310]

If Sony had to give 100% of streaming revenue to ms for abk titles then i can't blame Sony for calling MS out and screaming at the top of their lungs to regulators. Geforce, Nintendo and nvidia was ok with this say a lot about them. Finally, ABK, after working so closely with Sony for so long made a frigg ton of money together and bobby still could not go to MS and say hey we have to offer sony a fair trade on COD?

Can't blame if they burned all them bridges.

 

[3liteDragon]

 

[Varteras]

How much money does it cost to have someone act this unhinged?

 

[Badlucktroll]

Then Microsoft drops the whole deal end of next week

 

[GHG]

No, this is not a problem anyone had but CMA, because they overrate the possibility of Microsoft staying ahead in tin-foil hat scenarios.

Incorrect. The FTC have also addressed this and the EC are currently concluding their investigation which also focuses on this exact subject.

If we were talking about cloud infrastructure and expenses right now it would be one thing, but the idea that they would consolidate to the point where everyone would become a non-factor over time is nonsensical. Even now, PS Plus can match them.

How? Through following them off a cliff on a loss-leader strategy? That's exactly what they want and hope their current competition will do in order to accelerate the advancement towards their end-game strategy. There's a reason they've opted to attempt acquisitions to get COD etc on gamepass instead of cutting deals with thrid parties.

Offering cloud services is gonna be a gigantic business and Microsoft will never be able to shut the competition down to the extent where it will "harm gamers".

They can if they own the lions share of the most played/popular IP in the industry along with being able to control what OS those games run on and then in turn what servers those games can run on.