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[Crayon]

At the risk of trashing my youtube feed, I'm going to lookup some unhinged rants during lunch. All over not being able to permanently deny games to the other team. Talk about guilty pleasure.

 

[Banjo64]

MS trying to keep all revenue for their games streamed by other cloud services.

So now we also know the sort of stance Microsoft likely took when trying to get Game Pass on PS and Switch.

And then they play the public to try and make it sound like Sony are unreasonable in not wanting Game Pass on PS.

 

[envyzeal]

I'm so curious to see the reaction of a possible great Sony Showcase and all the arguments like "See how many great games? Microsoft has to buy Activision Blizzard to match that!"

 

[RoadHazard]

This is great news for everyone but MS. Everyone here should be happy about this.

 

[recursive]

But a new upper management could really make things run a lot smoothly for other Activision Blizzard IPs.

Based on what exactly? MS track record on managing studios is abysmal. I really dont think they would have offered anything of value in terms of managment.

 

[Sleepwalker]

At the risk of trashing my youtube feed, I'm going to lookup some unhinged rants during lunch. All over not being able to permanently deny games to the other team. Talk about guilty pleasure.

im getting tired of mine being all re4 so I might go for the same

 

[ComputerBlue]

MS and Activision burning all their chances and good will down by losing their fuckin minds.

 

[DenchDeckard]

How is pachter talking like ms can negotiate here. The cma review is done. There's no changing shit now?

 

[recursive]

MIA

What's hilarious is that they think we haven't noticed. Shout out to them.

Where is the guy that has Phil's balls in his throat? Philsapple or whatever?

 

[adamsapple]

That's silly. And we know Activision is open to making these kinds of deals due to the info we got from his investigation.

I don't recall the reports making specific mention that Activision is open to making these kinds of deals.

Microsoft on the other hand ..

Where is the guy that has Phil's balls in his throat? Philsapple or whatever?

 

[GHG]

How is pachter talking like ms can negotiate here. The cma review is done. There's no changing shit now?

Exit liquidity.

 

[Crayon]

im getting tired of mine being all re4 so I might go for the same

F****** creepy how fast it reacts. I tried that nebula streaming service, and one of the best things about it was how it doesn't have that hyperactive algorithm feeding you s***. Didn't really notice till it was wasn't there.

 

[Varteras]

How is pachter talking like ms can negotiate here. The cma review is done. There's no changing shit now?

Exit liquidity.

Yep. If you can follow the money, you'll find that he and his company had a vested interest in the deal going through.

 

[Jigsaah]

Is Michael Pachter drunk? Why does he think the CMA is still negotiating with MS? The decision has been MADE!

I don't understand how this guy keeps getting work.

 

[Captain Toad]

Can someone explain why Microsoft can't buy activision if they want to sell ?
If it was a buyout... then sure. But if activision wants to sell?
And if really UK can block it.. so what? it's just uk.

I'm not sure if you're serious. If so, Google it, educate yourself. There are tons of reasons.

And, yes, it's "just UK". But, I have to assume Microsoft would like to do continue to business there.

 

[Varteras]

And, yes, it's "just UK". But, I have to assume Microsoft would like to continue to business there.

The one of only two markets that Xbox stands a chance in? The 6th largest economy in the world? One of the biggest tech sectors in the world? A frequent go-between for American and European interests?

 

[GHG]

Yep. If you can follow the money, you'll find that he and his company had a vested interest in the deal going through.

As an analyst of a fund holding ATVI it would be negligent for him to be anything but bullish.

He would only take a negative stance if they were already out cleanly.

You can easily tell which hedge funds are still in it and which ones are already out based on what they are saying to the press.

 

[GHound]

So now we also know the sort of stance Microsoft likely took when trying to get Game Pass on PS and Switch.

And then they play the public to try and make it sound like Sony are unreasonable in not wanting Game Pass on PS.

This isn't the dirty laundry I was promised, but I'll take it.

 

[DJ12]

I think Activision are going to find the first part of that statement the hardest pill to swallow.

Sony CoD rival is incoming.

 

[jm89]

 

[bender]

Where is the guy that has Phil's balls in his throat? Philsapple or whatever?

Probably chasing Jim Ryan with a tape measure.

 

[Captain Toad]

Probably chasing Jim Ryan with a tape measure.

It's not just adamsapple

There are a lot of Xbox guys that normally post 50+ times a day, that have completely vanished since this news.

I haven't seen a CatLady reaction in days.

 

[//DEVIL//]

I really wonder what kind of relationship Activison will have with Sony when this completely fails.

Common sense would indicate that once the marketing deal is done, Acticvison won't renew with Sony ever again. probably even to Xbox game pass as well ( with profit sharing with MS on subs or some deal of sort ) Edit post : Not talking about personal feelings. but more of the bitterness of losing a 60+ B$ sale.

But then again, Sony is where Activision makes most of its sales on Call of Duty. I am not sure if Xbox and PC combined are close to half of how much it sells on Sony.

So will Activison have any dignity left in them and stop any marketing deal with Sony, or will they pretend Jim didn't crush them?

 

[bender]

There are a lot of Xbox guys that normally post 50+ times a day, that have completely vanished since this news.

 

[GermanZepp]

Just a couple of days ago ( or yesterday ¿?) unignored hundred of users and 'trolls' from this forum. Myyyy goodness what a timing. XD

 

[poppabk]

So now we also know the sort of stance Microsoft likely took when trying to get Game Pass on PS and Switch.

And then they play the public to try and make it sound like Sony are unreasonable in not wanting Game Pass on PS.

Isn't this exactly how GeForce Now works? You buy your game elsewhere and they let you stream it. The alternative model has already failed dramatically in Stadia.

 

[Yoboman]

So now we also know the sort of stance Microsoft likely took when trying to get Game Pass on PS and Switch.

And then they play the public to try and make it sound like Sony are unreasonable in not wanting Game Pass on PS.

That was obvious

 

[Captain Toad]

Common sense would indicate that once the marketing deal is done, Acticvison won't renew with Sony ever again.

That's not common sense, at all. You don't put personal feelings ahead of money if you are a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company.

Not to mention, the blockage actually had nothing to do with Sony.

 

[WildBoy]

Read the CMA answer, and the points they raise make a lot of sense. If MS were to be allowed to absorb ABK, they would have ZERO competition in the cloud market the moment it takes off. Sony has the games, but not the infrastructure; Google and Amazon the infrastructure, but not the games. MS would have some of the most powerful IPs, the largest stable of developers, and Azure to dominate the scene, unchecked. MS as one of the players is good for the industry...MS given carte blanche to create another Windows scenario is a nightmare.

What you on about MS already said they gonna put their games out on all cloud platforms too.

 

[//DEVIL//]

That's not common sense, at all. You don't put personal feelings ahead of money if you are a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company.

Not to mention, the blockage actually had nothing to do with Sony.

Not talking about the personal feelings of executives, they can fuck off. but more like They were getting all the money from the sale and now they won't.

And while the end result of CMA rejection was the cloud, Sony did also talk about the cloud in their lobbying. so it's not like are innocent. same goes of why it might rejected in US ( not just related to cloud gaming in US as a reason its getting rejected so far )

 

[Corndog]

in addition to Sony and Microsoft there is also Nintendo as well as PC and various other players. if Microsoft disappeared tomorrow there are enough interested players that competition isn't in any kind of danger of going away. video games are very profitable, and they've been that way for longer than Microsoft has existed for (re: Periscope, circa 1965, while Microsoft was founded in 1975!)

Do you think Sony will continue to put games on pc if they are the only game in town?

 

[Elios83]

I really wonder what kind of relationship Activison will have with Sony when this completely fails.

Common sense would indicate that once the marketing deal is done, Acticvison won't renew with Sony ever again. probably even to Xbox game pass as well ( with profit sharing with MS on subs or some deal of sort )

But then again, Sony is where Activision makes most of its sales on Call of Duty. I am not sure if Xbox and PC combined are close to half of how much it sells on Sony.

So will Activison have any dignity left in them and stop any marketing deal with Sony, or will they pretend Jim didn't crush them?

Business is business. It's all based on money.
How many companies go to court because one sues the other (and that's not even the case here) then they settle and become "best friends" because they find a way to make money together?
Kotick did not care about their relationship with Sony when he decided to sell to Microsoft, he knew that Microsoft would use the acquisition to damage Sony.
Sony didn't think about them when they thought they had to defend their own business.

But it's likely that Microsoft will get the COD marketing rights anyway not because of "feelings" but because they will be willing to pay more and because the breakup fee they'll end up paying to Activison will be so high that behind the scenes they'll probably ask to consider that part of the payment.

 

[Fake]

The next Avengers script right here.

 

[jm89]

I really wonder what kind of relationship Activison will have with Sony when this completely fails.

Common sense would indicate that once the marketing deal is done, Acticvison won't renew with Sony ever again. probably even to Xbox game pass as well ( with profit sharing with MS on subs or some deal of sort )

But then again, Sony is where Activision makes most of its sales on Call of Duty. I am not sure if Xbox and PC combined are close to half of how much it sells on Sony.

So will Activison have any dignity left in them and stop any marketing deal with Sony, or will they pretend Jim didn't crush them?

Marketshare could play a huge factor in them still staying with Sony for future deals.

If Xbox lose marketshare this gen, then sony could serously start playing hardball with Activision. It was revelead in the CMA docs that Sony take a smaller cut on cod sales for the deal, they could ask for higher

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I really wonder what kind of relationship Activison will have with Sony when this completely fails.

Common sense would indicate that once the marketing deal is done, Acticvison won't renew with Sony ever again. probably even to Xbox game pass as well ( with profit sharing with MS on subs or some deal of sort ) Edit post : Not talking about personal feelings. but more of the bitterness of losing a 60+ B$ sale.

But then again, Sony is where Activision makes most of its sales on Call of Duty. I am not sure if Xbox and PC combined are close to half of how much it sells on Sony.

So will Activison have any dignity left in them and stop any marketing deal with Sony, or will they pretend Jim didn't crush them?

well, if Succession taught me anything I would say...someone is going to suck dick....and ain't gonna be Jim Ryan.

 

[GHG]

MS trying to keep all revenue for their games streamed by other cloud services.

Microsoft to their cloud competitors:

 

[Moridianae]

So I've been out of the loop here. Is the CMA that powerful of an entity that they can kibosh this whole thing?

Like if the EC and FTC hypothetically say go ahead(but i figure theyd just follow the CMA ruling but need clarification here), it still can't because of the CMA? I'm really confused how this whole thing works.

If they were to reject, would Microsoft then have to appeal to *all* of them individually?

 

[quest]

Microsoft to their cloud competitors:

Yes Microsoft and other companies should give away thier hard work for nothing. I guarantee this is cheaper than licensing per user or lump sum per game. A game with zero dlc they get for free under this agreement. There is a reason the other cloud providers happily took this deal. If 2 re games were 10 million COD is going to be 5 times that. Pay 50 million or give up dlc money gee what is cheaper.

Google Stadia is desperate enough to pay you to play 'Resident Evil Village'

Google is completely changing the way it gets players to try cloud gaming.

www.inverse.com

Google allegedly paid $10 million to bring Resident Evil 7 and Village to Stadia.

 

[jroc74]

Another gem:


https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2021/06/10/ ... microsoft/

Phil Spencer said:
As a company, Microsoft's all-in on gaming. We believe we can play a leading role in democratizing gaming and defining that future of interactive entertainment, quite frankly, at scale. There are really three, I think, areas or key areas where we believe we have incredible competitive advantage. First is our leadership in cloud computing; second, the resources we have to build out the subscription value with Xbox Game Pass; and third is our overall focus on empowering creators. I'm really excited about the opportunity in gaming.


So the first key area is now no longer key and inconsequential. Sure then.

Some sort of collective memory loss going around.

MS and Activision burning all their chances and good will down by losing their fuckin minds.

It all makes sense now.....

Can you blame some of their fans ....MS are leading by example.

Like Jim Ryan said "inadequate"

Oohh, this is amazing with the added context.

If Sony had to give 100% of streaming revenue to ms for abk titles then i can't blame Sony for calling MS out and screaming at the top of their lungs to regulators. Geforce, Nintendo and nvidia was ok with this say a lot about them. Finally, ABK, after working so closely with Sony for so long made a frigg ton of money together and bobby still could not go to MS and say hey we have to offer sony a fair trade on COD?

Can't blame if they burned all them bridges.

Agree. Really shocked Nintendo agreed to this, unless there's something else we dont know.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Seems like Timdog is menstruating

reminds me of a NBA2K proam team I used to play against a bit called "PeriodBloodStain"

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

This takes me back

 

[BeardGawd]

Microsoft to their cloud competitors:

Lol. The Cloud comoetitors get to keep 100% of the subscription money.

 

[DeepEnigma]

People mocked “Crying Jim Ryan” but Brad Smith is coming off as a sore loser.

Who literally cried on video about this. Such drama. Many sorrow. Great victim angle.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So Microsoft in those 10-year agreements with those cloud providers were going to get 100% of the in-game purchases? WTH!!!??

Good Guy MS™

 

[Sleepwalker]

Serves them well for submitting IGN articles to regulators

 

[drganon]

It's not just adamsapple

There are a lot of Xbox guys that normally post 50+ times a day, that have completely vanished since this news.

I haven't seen a CatLady reaction in days.

There was this one guy in the other thread who was bragging about how much he was going to enjoy the meltdowns when it got approved. It was Jimmy something or other, but he like a lot of the other cheerleaders have since vanished.

 

[poppabk]

If Sony had to give 100% of streaming revenue to ms for abk titles then i can't blame Sony for calling MS out and screaming at the top of their lungs to regulators. Geforce, Nintendo and nvidia was ok with this say a lot about them.

That is literally the GeForce business model, so yeah it says that Nvidia want to keep their business model. You buy the game elsewhere and pay to 'rent' a computer to play it on.

 

[Fake]

Serves them well for submitting IGN articles to regulators

Lmao. IGN and PC gaming getting trash.

This win for today.

 

[Nydius]

So I've been out of the loop here. Is the CMA that powerful of an entity that they can kibosh this whole thing?

Like if the EC and FTC hypothetically say go ahead(but i figure theyd just follow the CMA ruling but need clarification here), it still can't because of the CMA? I'm really confused how this whole thing works.

If they were to reject, would Microsoft then have to appeal to *all* of them individually?

Short answer: Yes.

Longer answer:
In Microsoft’s filings regarding the merger to the US Securities and Exchange Commission, they discuss regulatory oversight and state that they need to be approved in all markets or the merger may be halted entirely. They specifically list a big four: United States, United Kingdom, European Union/Commission, and China. Because those are the biggest four, that’s where the bulk of their lobbying efforts lie, but they make it clear they need approval everywhere.

The relevant section is on pages 68-70 of the SEC filing if you wish to find it yourself. I’ve copied what I think is the most relevant paragraph from that section:

The merger is also subject to clearance or approval by competition authorities in certain other jurisdictions. The merger cannot be completed until Microsoft and Activision Blizzard obtain clearance to consummate the merger or applicable waiting periods (or any extension thereof) have expired or been terminated in each applicable jurisdiction. Microsoft and Activision Blizzard, in consultation and cooperation with each other, will file notifications, as required by competition authorities in certain other jurisdictions, as promptly as practicable after the date of the merger agreement. The relevant competition authorities could take such actions under applicable competition laws as they deem necessary or desirable, including seeking divestiture of substantial assets of the parties or requiring the parties to license, or hold separate, assets or to terminate existing relationships and contractual rights. Any one of these requirements, limitations, costs, divestitures or restrictions could jeopardize or delay the completion, or reduce the anticipated benefits, of the merger. There is no assurance that Microsoft and Activision Blizzard will obtain all required regulatory clearances or approvals on a timely basis or at all. Failure to obtain the necessary clearances in any of these jurisdictions could substantially delay or prevent the consummation of the merger, which could negatively impact both Microsoft and Activision Blizzard.

 

[Thirty7ven]

It's not just adamsapple

There are a lot of Xbox guys that normally post 50+ times a day, that have completely vanished since this news.

I haven't seen a CatLady reaction in days.

I’m disappointed, there’s so much to be discussed.