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[reksveks]

I think people need to understand lal's (lookalikes) in this thread.

 

[onesvenus]

They are, but I mean I could've bought some multiplats. The Xbox is just in a weird spot for me, for better or worse it has become my living room Gamepass box, and this year hasn't been so exciting on Gamepass so far. Tunic is awesome though!

It has for me! I've been playing Mass Effect legendary edition (I missed the third game when it released and wanted to replay the other two) and now Guardians of the Galaxy.

For me it's missing more first party and exclusive games this first half of the year, even more when Sony released two great hits in just the first quarter

 

[RevGaming]

So you're basically saying they're outright lying with this info ?

Do you have anything to back up what you're saying ?

They aren't lying.
They're not saying what I'm saying. Which is, it doesn't say people spend more after GP. If you think that graph says that, go take a class, because it doesn't say that.

 

[RevGaming]

I think people need to understand lal's (lookalikes) in this thread.

Clear me this.

Does it say person A and person B spent $100, and now after person B subbing, he now spends $200?

 

[adamsapple]

They aren't lying.
They're not saying what I'm saying. Which is, it doesn't say people spend more after GP. If you think that graph says that, go take a class, because it doesn't say that.

lookalikes = people on the same environments but not subbed to GP
vesus
GP members/subscribers

One of them spends 50% more than the other.

Why are we trying to twist this extremely straight forward presented fact into a pretzel ?

Clear me this.

Does it say person A and person B spent $100, and now after person B subbing, he now spends $200?

So your argument is that since they didn't put an exact dollar value of how much the average lookalike spends vs a subscriber spends, this info is useless ? Percentage increases be damned ?

Come on man, get real. You're just arguing for the sake or arguing now.

 

[RevGaming]

lookalikes = people on the same environments but not subbed to GP
vesus
GP members/subscribers

One of them spends 50% more than the other.

Why are we trying to twist this extremely straight forward presented fact into a pretzel ?

What pretzel? This is basic stuff lol.

They're not saying they spend more after subbing.

Did the lookalikes spent the same amount of those subbed before subbing?

Yes, they spend more, but it doesn't say they spend more after Gamepass.


Again, they spend more, not spend more after subbing


Again, they spend more, not spend more after subbing.

 

[reksveks]

They aren't lying.
They're not saying what I'm saying. Which is, it doesn't say people spend more after GP. If you think that graph says that, go take a class, because it doesn't say that.

Clear me this.

Does it say person A and person B spent $100, and now after person B subbing, he now spends $200?

Nope, It doesn't say that no.

This conversation is going to be vague until we know what the Lal model is. I don't think or at least hope that the lal model isn't consistent of just being a xbox user. If so, that's going to be sad on some many levels.

 

[kingfey]

They don't LMFAO.

That's the point lol.

It doesn't say since they save money with gamepass, they buy more games out of gamepass.

You're making stuff up.

They aren't spending more. They're probably spending less since they get the games. Why would they spend more if they have more games for less????

They can spend less and still spend 50% more than non GP users. That's the whole argument.

So people don't spend money then. Got it.

 

[RevGaming]

So people don't spend money then. Got it.

They spend more, not spend more after subbing.

Copy and paste that on a sticky note. Leave it there for a few days.

 

[adamsapple]

Yes, they spend more, but it doesn't say they spend more after Gamepass.

Why does it matter ?

The key point is that the average game pass subscriber, whether they did it just 5 seconds before subscribing or 5 minutes before their subscription lapses, they spend 50% more on average than people who are currently not on the service.

You see what I mean when I say the argument is being twisted like pretzels ?

You're finding caveats to try and prove ... a point .. I guess ?

 

[RevGaming]

Why does it matter ?

The key point is that the average game pass subscriber, whether they did it just 5 seconds before subscribing or 5 minutes before their subscription lapses, they spend 50% more on average than people who are currently not on the service.

You see what I mean when I say the argument is being twisted like pretzels ?

You're finding caveats to try and prove ... a point .. I guess ?

Because it does matter lol.

My keypoint is that individual games will suffer if they aren't being bought (not enough). When third party publishers start neglecting releasing their games on xbox, you will finally understand why this mattered.

but sure, it doesn't matter.

but hey! At least you got it!!!

 

[adamsapple]

Because it does matter lol.

My keypoint is that individual games will suffer if they aren't being bought (not enough). When third party publishers start neglecting releasing their games on xbox, you will finally understand why this mattered.

but sure, it doesn't matter.

but hey! At least you got it!!!

If/when third parties that aren't named Square Enix or Atlus stop widely releasing their games on Xbox, that'll be a point of concern then.

But it's just a very unearned wild theory at this point..

 

[kingfey]

They spend more, not spend more after subbing.

Copy and paste that on a sticky note. Leave it there for a few days.

People spend more, when they want to play more games.
Its that simple.

The more games you play, the more games you buy.

You have to put this on your thick skull.

Gamepass also allows you to BUY GAMES AT DISCOUNT.

 

[GymWolf]

Bit weird to find it funny given its something to help a blind person who might find it engaging but you do you.

It's not for blind people dude, and blind people gives 2 fuck about the look of who is talking.

I didn't watched these videos yet, but if it is something similar to this, yeah it's pretty funny

 

[RevGaming]

If/when third parties that aren't named Square Enix or Atlus stop widely releasing their games on Xbox, that'll be a point of concern then.

But it's just a very unearned wild theory at this point..

Gears 5 and Halo Infinite had worse mtx than their previous entry. Halo hasn't launched with enough content. FH5 is a good example that it's not happening, but we need more samples (AAA ones specifically).

and Bethesda before they got acquired? They had 2 timed exclusives.

The only publishers that are being marketed by MS are EA and Ubisoft since those two have similar ideals (EA with EA play and Ubisoft with Cloud). You will start seeing the more sony timed exclusives when GP increases in subs.

Anyways. This will be clear at the end of 2024.

 

[Darsxx82]

You will start seeing the more sony timed exclusives when GP increases in subs.

Or more third party games coming day one to Gamepass... Because, among other things, that many people forget is that the Studios charge MS for having their games in Gamepass and also those games are still being sold to whoever wants them as property.

And it is that, while bringing games to Xbox is profitable and beneficial, Thirds Party games will continue to come to Xbox. In fact, the reality is that never have so many Studios decided to launch their games on Xbox, and among other reasons is that Gamepass is an opportunity for them to make the launch of their game profitable.

Then, Sony will continue its strategy of buying third-party temporary exclusives even if Gamepass was a failure or did not exist. What some believe is that Sony has an infinite budget to buy all those temporary exclusives or thinks that the Studios give those exclusives for free. The fact is that MS is going to do this type of agreement too and Gamepass is even an incentive for the Studios.

 

[Darsxx82]

If/when third parties that aren't named Square Enix or Atlus stop widely releasing their games on Xbox, that'll be a point of concern then.

But it's just a very unearned wild theory at this point..

The funny thing is that even Atlus has started to release games on Xbox lately when they didn't even think about it before....

 

[adamsapple]

Or more third party games coming day one to Gamepass... Because, among other things, that many people forget is that the Studios charge MS for having their games in Gamepass and also those games are still being sold to whoever wants them as property.

And it is that, while bringing games to Xbox is profitable and beneficial, Thirds Party games will continue to come to Xbox. In fact, the reality is that never have so many Studios decided to launch their games on Xbox, and among other reasons is that Gamepass is an opportunity for them to make the launch of their game profitable.

Then, Sony will continue its strategy of buying third-party temporary exclusives even if Gamepass was a failure or did not exist. What some believe is that Sony has an infinite budget to buy all those temporary exclusives or thinks that the Studios give those exclusives for free. The fact is that MS is going to do this type of agreement too and Gamepass is even an incentive for the Studios.

Amen, day 1 game pass releases have only been increasing, not decreasing, since the program started.

The stats favor it.

 

[RevGaming]

Or more third party games coming day one to Gamepass... Because, among other things, that many people forget is that the Studios charge MS for having their games in Gamepass and also those games are still being sold to whoever wants them as property.

Not High Caliber ones.
More like Back4Blood, The Outriders... stuff like that.

And it is that, while bringing games to Xbox is profitable and beneficial,

Depends on the game. Double A and Indies? Sure. AAA high end ones? No.

Thirds Party games will continue to come to Xbox.

Never said they won't. I just said timed.

In fact, the reality is that never have so many Studios decided to launch their games on Xbox, and among other reasons is that Gamepass is an opportunity for them to make the launch of their game profitable.

Only the more unknown obscure games will benefit.

Then, Sony will continue its strategy of buying third-party temporary exclusives even if Gamepass was a failure or did not exist. What some believe is that Sony has an infinite budget to buy all those temporary exclusives or thinks that the Studios give those exclusives for free. The fact is that MS is going to do this type of agreement too and Gamepass is even an incentive for the Studios.

All I'm saying. MS has to pay more than what Sony has to for it to be exclusive.





Anyways. This is all still a prediction based on the patterns I've seen. I think during 2023 it will be nice to pick up the conversation again.

 

[kingfey]

You will start seeing the more sony timed exclusives when GP increases in subs.

I love how people make these claims.

 

[kingfey]

Depends on the game. Double A and Indies? Sure. AAA high end ones? No.

Stalker is shit then. Glad you clarified on that one.

Only the more unknown obscure games will benefit.

Its not like known games will get boost when the sequel starts to drop. Keep going buddy.

All I'm saying. MS has to pay more than what Sony has to for it to be

After spending $68b on activision, I doubt they will care about the cost of those games.

Anyways. This is all still a prediction based on the patterns I've seen. I think during 2023 it will be nice to pick up the conversation

Your pattern is complete wrong.

Yakuza 8 was in the service. Hitman 3 was in the service.
You are scrapping for shit stuff. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[RevGaming]

Stalker is shit then. Glad you clarified on that one.

Hasn't released. What game have they made in recent memory?

Its not like known games will get boost when the sequel starts to drop. Keep going buddy.

Idk what you mean by that.

After spending $68b on activision, I doubt they will care about the cost of those games.

LMAO

Your pattern is complete wrong.

Dungeon n Dragons, Outriders, Back4Blood, Crossfire, State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, Bleeding Edge, Grounded... Average to Bad games.

I don't see high end games like Resident Evil, Gotham Knights, Hogwarts, Doom Eternal, Dying Light 2 dropping there DAY 1.

There is a pattern.

Look at gears 5 and halo infinite and its poor economy.

Turn a blind eye, but there's enough proof.

Yakuza 8 was in the service. Hitman 3 was in the service.
You are scrapping for shit stuff. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Not day 1.


But you know what. Plague Tale 2 looks good, but that game doesn't cost $60 I believe.

I love how people make these claims.

Not a claim. A prediction.

If a game sells 500k copies on xbox and sells 3m on Playstation... who has it easier to make it exclusive?

 

[kingfey]

Hasn't released. What game have they made in recent memory?

Do you know stalker?

Idk what you mean by that.

Any big that got dropped on the service, would have new followers who will buy the installment of that game. Developers want that. Since it guarantees them more customers.

Dungeon n Dragons, Outriders, Back4Blood, Crossfire, State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, Bleeding Edge, Grounded...

I don't see high end games like Resident Evil, Gotham Knights, Hogwarts, Doom Eternal, Dying Light 2 dropping there DAY 1.

There is a pattern.

Look at gears 5 and halo infinite and its poor economy.

Turn a blind eye, but there's enough proof

Let's ignore all the xbox 1st party games, which was dropped on the service.

Let's completely ignore yakuza 8, which got dropped at faster rate on gamepass.

The service will get more new day1 games as time goes on. Right now, it's 4 and half years. 2 more years, and games like that would be regular.

We are getting all Activision/Blizzard games day1, once the deal is approved.

Not day 1.


But you know what. Plague Tale 2 looks good, but that game doesn't cost $60 I believe.

That is still a big game. It had like 3 months, before it hit gamepass.

Plague Tale 2 is the same as ratchet and Clank, returnal which cost $70.
Unless, you are strictly talking about the brand that is making the game.

Not a claim. A prediction

Your prediction is your claim. And that won't happen.

They freaking own bethesda and Activision-Blizzard's. The 2 biggest publishers in the gaming industry. You think small AAA developers will ignore the status of those publishers making day1 games for gamepass, then say nah?

 

[Darsxx82]

Not High Caliber ones.
More like Back4Blood, The Outriders... stuff like that.

What? I think you are not very up to date with the games that come to Gamepass. You know Yakuza 7, Stalker 2, Atomic Heart, Scorn, The Medium, The Ascent, etc... And that's talking about day one games. That said, as if those games you mention are expendable games.

Depends on the game. Double A and Indies? Sure. AAA high end ones? No.

Never said they won't. I just said timed.

Only the more unknown obscure games will benefit.

I repeat, Sony will continue to buy temporary AAA exclusives as a strategy regardless of Gamepass.
The existence of Gamepass or its success is not going to impact the number of temporary exclusive Third games that arrive on PS5, what makes them arrive is the money that Sony is willing to pay for them.

If Gamepass increases subscribers or Xbox gains more market share, in either case, what you're going to see is more Third party games of all types Day One arrivals at Gamepass. What is happening.

All I'm saying. MS has to pay more than what Sony has to for it to be exclusive.

What determines what it costs to buy a timed exclusive is market share and sales and performance expectations.... The reality is that we are at the beginning of a new gene and the market share of each company must be determined.

Logically Playstation will continue to be dominant and that makes it easier for Sony to buy temporary exclusives. But Sony do not have certain in:

1- That it will be as easy as the previous generation.
2- As easy as it may be, it will always be limited to what Sony can pay as long as they are not free exclusives.

Contrary to what you bet, I am clear that if Gamepass increases subscribers, what it will bring is that the Studios see it more interesting to launch their games of all types day one on the platform because it is guaranteed money, not the opposite.

For everything else and in the face of the possibility that Sony doubles down on its strategy of buying temporary AAA exclusives..... that is why we have seen MS buying Zenimax and soon Activision.

 

[kingfey]

What? I think you are not very up to date with the games that come to Gamepass. You know Stalker 2, Atomic Heart, Scorn, The Medium, The Ascent, etc... And that's talking about day one games. That said, as if those games you mention are expendable games.




I repeat, Sony will continue to buy temporary AAA exclusives as a strategy regardless of Gamepass.
The existence of Gamepass or its success is not going to impact the number of temporary exclusive Third games that arrive on PS5, what makes them arrive is the money that Sony is willing to pay for them.

If Gamepass increases subscribers or Xbox gains more market share, in either case, what you're going to see is more Third party games of all types Day One arrivals at Gamepass. What is happening.


What determines what it costs to buy a timed exclusive is market share and sales and performance expectations.... The reality is that we are at the beginning of a new gene and the market share of each company must be determined.

Logically Playstation will continue to be dominant and that makes it easier for Sony to buy temporary exclusives. But Sony do not have certain in:

1- That it will be as easy as the previous generation.
2- As easy as it may be, it will always be limited to what Sony can pay as long as they are not free exclusives.

Contrary to what you bet, I am clear that if Gamepass increases subscribers, what it will bring is that the Studios see it more interesting to launch their games of all types day one on the platform because it is guaranteed money, not the opposite.

It will be up to the market share, and numbers gamepass has.

Japanese devs aren't putting games on xbox, because xbox has minimum present in Japan.

If MS can fix those issues, then alot of devs will come to their store. That is one thing Sony has an advantage over xbox.

 

[Darsxx82]

It will be up to the market share, and numbers gamepass has.

Japanese devs aren't putting games on xbox, because xbox has minimum present in Japan.

If MS can fix those issues, then alot of devs will come to their store. That is one thing Sony has an advantage over xbox.

That is why I think and stated that Gamepass success in any case can be a driver or a way for these games to reach Xbox, even day one. In fact, I think we are already seeing the arrival of games that would have been unthinkable a couple of years ago.
The Studios charge money just for being on Gamepass. In many cases enough to pay off the launch on Xbox. Many studios (including Japanese) can see there their reason to bring their games to Xbox because they will not depend on sales. Apart from having other incentives such as Xcloud that increases the number of potential users.

 

[RevGaming]

Do you know stalker?

You mean the 2007 game? How do I know they can keep up with the two generation jumps they missed making games on? They might not be up to par. It's not somebody that it's in everyone's recent memory. They almost screwed themselves with the NFT attempt.

Any big that got dropped on the service, would have new followers who will buy the installment of that game. Developers want that. Since it guarantees them more customers.

Or not buy it since they were going to buy because it wasn't on GP. It works for indies and double A games dude. AAA games sell themselves. They don't need Gamepass. They would sell less.

Let's ignore all the xbox 1st party games, which was dropped on the service.

I didn't. I mentioned gears 5 and halo.

Let's completely ignore yakuza 8, which got dropped at faster rate on gamepass.

I'm talking about day 1.

The service will get more new day1 games as time goes on. Right now, it's 4 and half years. 2 more years, and games like that would be regular.

Not on the cyberpunk, red dead, resident evil level kind of games. You believe what you want. It's not happening lol. Starfield was never going to GP day if they didn't buy the publisher.

We are getting all Activision/Blizzard games day1, once the deal is approved.

Because they bought them lol.

That is still a big game. It had like 3 months, before it hit gamepass.

Not day 1.

Plague Tale 2 is the same as ratchet and Clank, returnal which cost $70.
Unless, you are strictly talking about the brand that is making the game.

Idk how they are the same. Ratchet had a bigger budget.

Your prediction is your claim. And that won't happen.

It will.

They freaking own bethesda and Activision-Blizzard's. The 2 biggest publishers in the gaming industry. You think small AAA developers will ignore the status of those publishers making day1 games for gamepass, then say nah?

They own them. They don't own those others.

What? I think you are not very up to date with the games that come to Gamepass. You know Yakuza 7, Stalker 2, Atomic Heart, Scorn, The Medium, The Ascent, etc... And that's talking about day one games. That said, as if those games you mention are expendable games.

None of those are high end caliber games. Sorry.
A lot of those are basically AAA debut games.
Yakuza 7 didn't come to xbox day 1.
Stalker 2 is not a popular brand. I didn't know it existed until the second one was announced. The studio didn't make a last gen game. Their last big games was on 2007.

Watch them all those day 1 score under 80 (Y7 is not day 1). Those in that list. Don't bring other games you didn't mention.

I repeat, Sony will continue to buy temporary AAA exclusives as a strategy regardless of Gamepass.
The existence of Gamepass or its success is not going to impact the number of temporary exclusive Third games that arrive on PS5, what makes them arrive is the money that Sony is willing to pay for them.

Yes, but it will cost them less and be more frequent if they need to.

If Gamepass increases subscribers or Xbox gains more market share, in either case, what you're going to see is more Third party games of all types Day One arrivals at Gamepass. What is happening.

Not the big games I keep mentioning. Look man. I didn't buy a next gen console to play Tunic or Outriders. You get me?

What determines what it costs to buy a timed exclusive is market share and sales and performance expectations.... The reality is that we are at the beginning of a new gene and the market share of each company must be determined.

Only xbox has changed.

Logically Playstation will continue to be dominant and that makes it easier for Sony to buy temporary exclusives. But Sony do not have certain in:

1- That it will be as easy as the previous generation.

I agree.

2- As easy as it may be, it will always be limited to what Sony can pay as long as they are not free exclusives.

Whatever means necessary according to what they need.

Contrary to what you bet, I am clear that if Gamepass increases subscribers, what it will bring is that the Studios see it more interesting to launch their games of all types day one on the platform because it is guaranteed money, not the opposite.

Guaranteed on smaller more experimental games. Not on established AAA I'm buying a next gen console for this type of games.

For everything else and in the face of the possibility that Sony doubles down on its strategy of buying temporary AAA exclusives..... that is why we have seen MS buying Zenimax and soon Activision.

It was a good move. Both.

 

[kingfey]

You mean the 2007 game? How do I know they can keep up with the two generation jumps they missed making games on? They might not be up to par. It's not somebody that it's in everyone's recent memory. They almost screwed themselves with the NFT attempt.

Ubisoft were in the nft, how does that affect their quality?

Or not buy it since they were going to buy because it wasn't on GP. It works for indies and double A games dude. AAA games sell themselves. They don't need Gamepass. They would sell less.

AAA that are known. Alot of people dont play AAA, because they dont want to sink $60 on games they dont play. Gamepass is a demo for them. If they like it, they will buy it.

I didn't. I mentioned gears 5 and halo.

As if those are the only xbox 1st party games. Or do you mention them, because that is the quality of xbox 1st party?

I'm talking about day 1.

That is closer to day1 as we can get now.

Not on the cyberpunk, red dead, resident evil level kind of games. You believe what you want. It's not happening lol. Starfield was never going to GP day if they didn't buy the publisher.

Rd2 was on gamepass.

Because they bought them lol.

and that is what will help them. MS putting those games on gamepass is statement, that they arent going to lose money. You are not going to put COD and Bethesda selling games on gamepass, without seeing profits.

It will.

It wont. you can dream if you want to.

They own them. They don't own those others.

They own 2 of the biggest publishers. That would signal a powerful position for gamepass, since those 2 publishers would put their games day1 on the service.

 

[vj27]

Honestly, I admire how you guys play around with these data. It's like MS is an evil company, which is trying to trick you.

Yo thank god someone said it I saw this @drbass dude saying how tf does this make any sense when they literally have charts an graphs showing how it made sense. Plus this isn't some new discovery, how many times have they said gamepass users spend and play more? Thought it was common knowledge. Also I'm not sure how a lot of these anti gamepass guys have straw man hat theory's by claiming "I spend my money on ps5 cuz I save by having gamepass on Xbox/pc." Like that somehow invalidates the data presented in front of us, you can't make this shit up. I'm not anwywhere close to being a business major I went to school for something else, but the sheer lack of common sense here makes me think I can be the next bill gates, some of the most idiotic takes I have ever seen in my life, an I thought Twitter was bad with this console warring shit lmaoo.

 

[kingfey]

Yo thank god someone said it I saw this @drbass dude saying how tf does this make any sense when they literally have charts an graphs showing how it made sense. Plus this isn't some new discovery, how many times have they said gamepass users spend and play more? Thought it was common knowledge. Also I'm not sure how a lot of these anti gamepass guys have straw man hat theory's by claiming "I spend my money on ps5 cuz I save by having gamepass on Xbox/pc." Like that somehow invalidates the data presented in front of us, you can't make this shit up. I'm not anwywhere close to being a business major I went to school for something else, but the sheer lack of common sense here makes me think I can be the next bill gates, some of the most idiotic takes I have ever seen in my life, an I thought Twitter was bad with this console warring shit lmaoo.

Sony and Nintendo gives them numbers, MS. so in their mind, MS has something to hide.
They dont understand that both of these companies operate in different world.

MS is almost 3 trillion company, while Sony is $140b, and nintendo is $56b. Its day and night. Investors on MS side dont care about those small numbers. While Sony and Nintendo have to present these numbers to their investors.
Heck Xbox is tiny company for MS. not a worth for investors.

 

[Calverz]

You mean the 2007 game? How do I know they can keep up with the two generation jumps they missed making games on? They might not be up to par. It's not somebody that it's in everyone's recent memory. They almost screwed themselves with the NFT attempt.

Or not buy it since they were going to buy because it wasn't on GP. It works for indies and double A games dude. AAA games sell themselves. They don't need Gamepass. They would sell less.

I didn't. I mentioned gears 5 and halo.

I'm talking about day 1.

Not on the cyberpunk, red dead, resident evil level kind of games. You believe what you want. It's not happening lol. Starfield was never going to GP day if they didn't buy the publisher.

Because they bought them lol.

Not day 1.

Idk how they are the same. Ratchet had a bigger budget.

It will.

They own them. They don't own those others.

None of those are high end caliber games. Sorry.
A lot of those are basically AAA debut games.
Yakuza 7 didn't come to xbox day 1.
Stalker 2 is not a popular brand. I didn't know it existed until the second one was announced. The studio didn't make a last gen game. Their last big games was on 2007.

Watch them all those day 1 score under 80 (Y7 is not day 1). Those in that list. Don't bring other games you didn't mention.

Yes, but it will cost them less and be more frequent if they need to.


Not the big games I keep mentioning. Look man. I didn't buy a next gen console to play Tunic or Outriders. You get me?

Only xbox has changed.

I agree.

Whatever means necessary according to what they need.

Guaranteed on smaller more experimental games. Not on established AAA I'm buying a next gen console for this type of games.

It was a good move. Both.

Dude why are you trying so hard? Lol

 

[RevGaming]

Ubisoft were in the nft, how does that affect their quality?

What? You serious?

AAA that are known. Alot of people dont play AAA, because they dont want to sink $60 on games they dont play. Gamepass is a demo for them. If they like it, they will buy it.

Doesn't mean what I said is false.

As if those are the only xbox 1st party games. Or do you mention them, because that is the quality of xbox 1st party?

What other game should I add, then? Forza?
There's nothing else to add. Grounded and Bleeding edge? Want to add those because those don't help you.

That is closer to day1 as we can get now.

Then you prove me right.

Rd2 was on gamepass.

Not day 1. We're talking about day 1. If the game sold 20m already, who cares? Next one will be bigger.

and that is what will help them. MS putting those games on gamepass is statement, that they arent going to lose money. You are not going to put COD and Bethesda selling games on gamepass, without seeing profits.

Lol.
Tell that to Spotify and Netflix.

Dude why are you trying so hard? Lol

I like the argument and it's probably one if not the most hot topic in gaming. Plus the news just came out.

 

[digital_ghost]

soon my friend .. soon

 

[kingfey]

What? You serious?

They still produce AAA games.

Doesn't mean what I said is false.

Its false, because gamepass advertises these games to new people, who wouldnt otherwise purchase the game.
How many people do you think would have bought HFW, if it werent free or come to pc?

What other game should I add, then? Forza?
There's nothing else to add. Grounded and Bleeding edge? Want to add those because those don't help you.

Lets ignore age of empire 4, Psychonauts 2, fh4, sea of thieves, flight simulator, and put those games. Your points is going mud my friend.

Then you prove me right.

It doesnt. it shows you that day1 is closer than ever.

Not day 1. We're talking about day 1. If the game sold 20m already, who cares? Next one will be bigger.

Because you specifically claimed, no big game would drop on the game. Take 2 put that game on gamepass. Specially when gamepass numbers were low.
Day1 would be closer soon.

You can spin it however you want. But keep in mind, that gamepass would get those games, Once xbox starts dropping big games regular on gamepass.

 

[RevGaming]

They still produce AAA games.

What does that have to do with NFT being bad?

Its false, because gamepass advertises these games to new people, who wouldnt otherwise purchase the game.
How many people do you think would have bought HFW, if it werent free or come to pc?

About 20m.
If it was free day one on Gamepass... less than 5m.
Third game wouldn't be as ambitious with only 5m.

Lets ignore age of empire 4, Psychonauts 2, fh4, sea of thieves, flight simulator, and put those games. Your points is going mud my friend.

None of those games are ambitious.
Forza is triple A but it doesn't cost that much to make. How much different could it be from FH3?

I'm ONLY worried about the huge games. I think Psychonauts 3 will be fine because it won't require that big of a budget and Gamepass could sustain that. But games that cost 200m to make? No.

It doesnt. it shows you that day1 is closer than ever.

You're not getting it. I only worry about the potential sequels not being bigger because it didn't sell enough in its first year or so.

Because you specifically claimed, no big game would drop on the game. Take 2 put that game on gamepass. Specially when gamepass numbers were low.
Day1 would be closer soon.

I meant day 1.

Big games and Day 1.
Not one, both.

Please don't make the same mistake again.

You can spin it however you want. But keep in mind, that gamepass would get those games, Once xbox starts dropping big games regular on gamepass.

Sure...





My problem is with day 1 releases and being heldback on budgets because of that.
That's it.
Gamepass has amazing AAA games, but they're old. I have no problem with that. It's the day 1 for 200m budget games thing the problem.
These stats don't make me less worry. The opposite. Especially if Sony copies it.
Hope that's clear.

 

[kingfey]

What does that have to do with NFT being bad?

Because you used NFT to discredit them.

About 20m.
If it was free day one on Gamepass... less than 5m.
Third game wouldn't be as ambitious with only 5m.

My friend, stop it. I didnt know steam and PS had gamepass.

None of those games are ambitious.
Forza is triple A but it doesn't cost that much to make. How much different could it be from FH3?

I'm ONLY worried about the huge games. I think Psychonauts 3 will be fine because it won't require that big of a budget and Gamepass could sustain that. But games that cost 200m to make? No.

Bravo. Every take, you are getting in to a weird land.
From the games being bad, to the games production being cheap. Just bravo.

25m gamepass. Average price $10. This is number of gamepass we have now. From 2021 January to 2022 January, the service saw 7m increase from 18m. So these numbers will jump will keep increasing in the future. But for now, lets stick with these numbers.

25m*$10=$250m*12=$3b. That is from subscription, and not from game sales such as Mtx, dlcs, and any other gamepass sales. It also doesnt include non-gamepass users who will buy the game (Xbox+steam).

If MS makes 6 AAA game every year, then those games will get $500m from gamepass every year.

But we will make it more fair. MS spends $150m on 3rd party games (Its way cheaper, since they are getting discount by units, but we will keep this numbers for your sake). Then they will get $100m per month, or $1.2b. That is $200m for each AAA game. or 3.3m sales from gamepass alone. Then add those sales from other systems.
lets say it sold 2m from xbox, and 1m from steam. That is 6m sales on 1st year.

That is the lowest they can get from gamepass at 25m. Not 50m.

If gamepass reaches 50m, then they will get $4.2b a year. That would help them make $350m for 12 AAA game. Again, that is from subscription at $10 average. with no dlc, mtx, or other form of revenue. No sales on other devices. Just gamespass alone, with $1.8b a year dedicated for 3rd party games.

You're not getting it. I only worry about the potential sequels not being bigger because it didn't sell enough in its first year or so.

That would require for MS to take away the buying option with gamepass has. it will also require for the game not to hit PS or steam. That is how much your worrisome worth.

I meant day 1.

Big games and Day 1.
Not one, both.

Please don't make the same mistake again.

Stalker 2, and MLB the show are big games.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/mlb-the-show-22-standard-edition-playstation-5/6497853.p?skuId=6497853#anchor=productVariations

Unless that price on MLB the show 22 doesnt mean a big game to you.

 

[reksveks]

Can any Italian speakers translate for me? It's from a 2021 Italian gaming overview.

 

[MonarchJT]

Can any Italian speakers translate for me? It's from a 2021 Italian gaming overview.

are the hours of play per week. divided by device ...obviously the average among the interviewees

among the home consoles the PS4 wins followed by Xbox One and then Xbox series follows PS5 and ps3 (this excluding the switch because otherwise it would win by far)

 

[Roberts]

Stalker 2, and MLB the show are big games.

IIRC Outriders was day one, too.

Also, maybe in some parallel universe Sea of Thieves and FS aren't ambitious games, but they sure as shit are in this one.

 

[oldergamer]

They aren't lying.
They're not saying what I'm saying. Which is, it doesn't say people spend more after GP. If you think that graph says that, go take a class, because it doesn't say that.

I can tell you I've spent more on games since having gamepass. I'm not 100% certain why, but I guess its the discounts it offers. It also has me searching similar games out as new releases.

 

[kingfey]

As a person who played spiderman on ps4, and started the game on ps5, I can attest to this experience.

I just finished the start up mission 2 days ago, and I am still pissed, that I have to start from 1st level.

At least, the ps5 graphics is much better than what I saw on ps4. I don't want to go back to that version.

 

[kingfey]

I can tell you I've spent more on games since having gamepass. I'm not 100% certain why, but I guess its the discounts it offers. It also has me searching similar games out as new releases.

Its because you are a proper gamer now.

I also spent alot of money on games, these last 9 months, than I did on my entire 4 years of playing.

The more games you play, the more you want to play. It's like binging a Netflix show, and now you want to Binge another show.

 

[RevGaming]

Because you used NFT to discredit them.

Because that was going to kill the game lol. They revert it for a reason.

My friend, stop it. I didnt know steam and PS had gamepass.

It was just an example. You think horizon 3 will be bigger with 5m copies sold? If Horizon FW sold what Halo Infinite sold, there would be no improvements in the next one. It's how businesses work. You go bigger for bigger rewards. If you're capped, why go bigger?

Bravo. Every take, you are getting in to a weird land.
From the games being bad, to the games production being cheap. Just bravo.

I mean that's the whole point why I started debating. The only reason I cared about that 50% more is because of high budget day 1 games on GP.

Why did you think you could know how much money MS spends and makes with GP? You just wasted your time on something nobody in the public knows. Not even most employees.
What I can know is what kind of day 1 games are they adding, and so far, I only found Forza Horizon 5 to be the good example of what they should keep adding.

Stalker 2, and MLB the show are big games.

Stalker 2 is not.
MLB it is but it's there because of MLB, not Sony.

 

[RevGaming]

I can tell you I've spent more on games since having gamepass. I'm not 100% certain why, but I guess its the discounts it offers. It also has me searching similar games out as new releases.

Then if most people are like you, why MS doesn't say it?

I don't think most gamers will go "Ah, got this game for free so let me buy it to support it".

Most people are selfish, they won't buy the games or/and wait for games to come to the service while they play other stuff on GP (even if they want to play that $60 game more). They'll hold.

I sometimes buy ps plus games if I enjoy them, but I can assure I'm the only dufus doing that in my friend list.

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

Is a good opportunity to ask this again.
Did Microsoft said anything about finally using ML?
Are they working with AMD to bring FSR2.0 to it's games? To adding RSR as a system wide feature?

 

[kingfey]

Because that was going to kill the game lol. They revert it for a reason.

I hate NFTs. But that thing would not kill the game at all. Its only minority of gamers that screamed about it. Same as how people screamed about the always online and mtx on gt7, yet it sold pretty well.
Majority of gamers dont care about what we scream in the internet, or else most games wouldnt have sold alot. Specifically gta trilogy anniversary edition.

Take-Two Says GTA Trilogy "Significantly Exceeded" Sales Expectations Despite "Quality Lapse"

"From a quality point of view it has been an isolated case"

www.nintendolife.com

I mean that's the whole point why I started debating. The only reason I cared about that 50% more is because of high budget day 1 games on GP.

Because there are other form of revenue. Gamepass isnt the only revenue MS has.

Why did you think you could know how much money MS spends and makes with GP? You just wasted your time on something nobody in the public knows. Not even most employees.
What I can know is what kind of day 1 games are they adding, and so far, I only found Forza Horizon 5 to be the good example of what they should keep adding.

Because the game is being sold on the store, on the retails, on steam. That is alot of sales. Then add gamepass revenue, which consistast of all MTX on gamepass, all dlc sales on gamepass, all game discount, which people buy when they leave the service, and lasty the subscription fees. That is alot of money for them.
Not to mention, gamepass is still a growing service. It just saw a huge jump from 18m to 25m. That is with lower xbox base users, and pc. They are now getting starfield, and all COD once the deal is done. That sub will explode to 50m in 2-3 years from now. That is alot of money.

Stalker 2 is not.
MLB it is but it's there because of MLB, not Sony.

Then what is your defination of a big game? Is ratchet and clank a big to you, because it costs $70?

I just dont get your point.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

So you're basically saying they're outright lying with this info ?

Do you have anything to back up what you're saying ?

Exactly. Their best argument is Microsoft is lying.

 

[adamsapple]

Is a good opportunity to ask this again.
Did Microsoft said anything about finally using ML?
Are they working with AMD to bring FSR2.0 to it's games? To adding RSR as a system wide feature?

Unfortunately no, MS did not give any of the info above.

The FSR info came from an AMD panel, not from anything via MS.

Stalker 2 is not.
MLB it is but it's there because of MLB, not Sony.

Did you seriously just say STALKER 2 is not a big game ?

Come on, lol. Saying things like that is the quickest way for people to stop taking anything you say seriously.

 

[RevGaming]

Did you seriously just say STALKER 2 is not a big game ?

Come on, lol. Saying things like that is the quickest way for people to stop taking anything you say seriously.

Is not lol.
I didn't know what Stalker was before it was unveiled on an xbox conference, and only because it was on an e3 and fanboys were shouting like is as big as a Resident Evil or Cyberpunk. It's as big as Plague Tale or Evil West.

I hate NFTs. But that thing would not kill the game at all. Its only minority of gamers that screamed about it. Same as how people screamed about the always online and mtx on gt7, yet it sold pretty well.
Majority of gamers dont care about what we scream in the internet, or else most games wouldnt have sold alot. Specifically gta trilogy anniversary edition.

Take-Two Says GTA Trilogy "Significantly Exceeded" Sales Expectations Despite "Quality Lapse"

"From a quality point of view it has been an isolated case"

www.nintendolife.com

GT7 would have sold more. Now it won't. Stalker 2 won't get as good reviews as GT7 neither.
Again, GTA trilogy would have sold more if it didn't have that backlash.

Because there are other form of revenue. Gamepass isnt the only revenue MS has.

There is, but it's less because of GP.

Because the game is being sold on the store, on the retails, on steam. That is alot of sales. Then add gamepass revenue, which consistast of all MTX on gamepass, all dlc sales on gamepass, all game discount, which people buy when they leave the service, and lasty the subscription fees. That is alot of money for them.
Not to mention, gamepass is still a growing service. It just saw a huge jump from 18m to 25m. That is with lower xbox base users, and pc. They are now getting starfield, and all COD once the deal is done. That sub will explode to 50m in 2-3 years from now. That is alot of money.

It won't get to 50m. PS plus, a requirement to play online doesn't even have that. That service makes the majority of the playerbase games unplayable, and it's only 48m. Plus Netflix has over 200m subs and they're losing money so I don't see your point. If they're going to make money through MTX, is that what you really want in your games?

Then what is your defination of a big game? Is ratchet and clank a big to you, because it costs $70?

I just dont get your point.

A game with over 100m budget.

 

[adamsapple]

Is not lol.
I didn't know what Stalker was before it was unveiled on an xbox conference, and only because it was on an e3 and fanboys were shouting like is as big as a Resident Evil or Cyberpunk. It's as big as Plague Tale or Evil West.

I mean, that distinctly sounds like a you problem lol.

STALKER has a bigger and more hardcore fanbase than many of the Xbox or PS first party exclusives. There just hasn't been one for a long while which is why you don't see the younger gaming audience talk more about it.