Microsoft has announced job cuts at Xbox Division

Sad and unfortunate, hope all the affected are able to land on their feet quickly.

Never pleasant to lose your employment, no matter who you are.
 
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I mean, so so sad. They didn't double down on woke though . . .
 
Especially when a Phil's "Sorry we have to let you go" mail emphasizes that Microsoft's gaming division is doing great.
Reminds me when i was in a meeting a while back where alot of us were told we would lose our jobs.

You know what the CEO said at the end of that meeting?

"I see a bright future for us"

Felt like choking this dude.
 
Hardware has never looked stronger? Huh?

He say "Our hardware roadmap." This likely refers to the recently announced hardware roadmap they have for the future.
Also, "we will end or decrease work in certain areas of the business" does that unfortunately mean studio closures?

Some layoffs already announced focus on marketing, sales (Zenimax), and mobile (King) divisions. We'll have to wait and see when others become official.
Actually seems like a big layoff. Wonder how long it will take to get the complete picture
 
Layoffs are not to be celebrated, sucks for the involved and all that.

But King had 2000 employees? Doing... what?

Same with streaming companies, fast food, and other entertainment etc. They all thought the Coof audiences were going to be consistent going forward -- which was pure foolishness.
 
Gamepass sunk these devs end of story. Gamepass caused them to lose their jobs and phil spencer is a FUCKING EMBARRASSMENT for going all in on this bullshit. FUCK phil spencer for ruining these peoples lives.


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I looked at two pages, there is a response from adamsapple adamsapple , yes there is, topic received a quality seal.
P.S - 2000...why?....
 
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It's also disappointing if Phil, Booty, and Greenberg don't get the axe today (they won't). Those 3 have done more to taint the brand than almost anyone at this point.
 
20,000 people and cutting 10% would be a drop in the bucket for their bottom line.
Yep...lets assume an average salary of 140k for 2000 people...it saves them 280millions per year. Last year the company made 88 billions PROFIT. Thats 0,3% they are saving on these profits. :messenger_tears_of_joy:Hilarious.

But yeah, I dont know the financial result from the current year. Maybe something went horribly wrong. But if they have the same profits as last year...than this layoffs really doesnt look good imho.
 
You have to be a massive asshole to even mention how amazing you are doing in an email where you're announcing layoffs. And it's not even actual useful metrics either, just bullshit about player hours etc.
He made sure to set that "bright future for xbox" narrative as xbox stuggles because he knew someone would leak it (They're losing their job anyway what have they got to lose?). He didn't want this layoff news to reflect badly on xbox so he's here saying they're doing great while downsizing. Same reason zenimax employees still aren't permitted to speak on the matter to the press.

"Other European offices, such as ZeniMax, also began informing employees that job cuts were happening, said the people, who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to speak to press.
US units were expected to be told later Wednesday how many jobs would be cut at each office."

They're clearly trying to control the press release for this news by distancing it from xbox's failures.
 
Everyone asked for this? No, nobody "asked" MS to buy these publishers. They did that on their own and I wouldn't be surprised if you cheered them on. A whole bunch of people getting fired was always the most likely end result. Trying to shift the blame for these layoffs on to the "haters" is pretty pathetic. This is all on MS and their army of online sycophants. Hope you are happy.
I honestly wonder sometimes if you guys just want communism. Zenimax was struggling and wanted to sell, and MS bought. MS is really only obligated to employee people as needed. We know their sales are declining rapidly, so there's pretty obvious motivation to cutback. This isn't the 1st place Switch or Playstation division, this is a hardware developer bombing, off store shelves and transitioning to a 3rd party publisher. Literally.

If people want to support some kind of mandatory employment, that's usually done through government jobs that aren't strictly profit driven. You tax the top corporations making a windfall, reinvest it into government areas that can benefit society and employee people. I'm cool with that, but it seems pretty popular these days to cut as many government jobs as possible in the US. Or you invest in things like government supported retraining, or a robust social safety net possibly even including UBI so you can use the agility of capitalism without the brutality. It just is nonsensical whining to act like MS is obligated to employee a hardware team when their sales have cratered. It literally makes no sense to me, so I can't muster any fake outrage for it. Most of this board cheers on cutting government jobs as much as possible, but then wants MS to be obligated to employee people? It's literally illogical.

I hear all the time how much of a huge flaw it is that MS has infinite money and can support their gaming division unfairly. But they prove time and time again that they don't operate this way, and the gaming division has to make their own money to stay afloat. But people then flip right back and say it's horrible that evil MS isn't funding them. It's literally mad if they do, mad if they don't. Just crying.
 
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Phil spencer can go fuck himself. How the hell is any first party studio going to survive when they're forced to go to gamepass on xbox and PC. You have devalued every single first party studio to the point of extinction and you have ruined people's livelihoods. You have created an environment that is built on fear and distrust inside the xbox brand because now everyone is on pins and needles worried about if they're next on the chopping block.

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Phil spencer can go fuck himself. How the hell is any first party studio going to survive when they're forced to go to gamepass on xbox and PC. You have devalued every single first party studio to the point of extinction and you have ruined people's livelihoods. You have created an environment that is built on fear and distrust inside the xbox brand because now everyone is on pins and needles worried about if they're next on the chopping block.
But the hours played metric looks amazing bro!
 
It's also disappointing if Phil, Booty, and Greenberg don't get the axe today (they won't). Those 3 have done more to taint the brand than almost anyone at this point.

Phil and his cronies must have Jeffrey Epstein quality blackmail info about their superiors to escape the ax for so long. In any other business they'd have been kicked out long ago after a decade of limitless spending, constant changes and horrible failures after each pivot.
 
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It's funny, I keep being told by Xbox fans that the gaming division is profitable, despite Microsoft hiding the numbers and mass firing people every quarter.
So again, is Xbox and GamePass bringing in profits or not ?
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Over the last 3 years Microsoft has fired around 8,750 employees but the number might be higher . For those wondering where I got the figures from I just asked Google's Gemini.

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Over the last 3 years Microsoft has fired around 8,750 employees but the number might be higher . For those wondering where I got the figures from I just asked Google's Gemini.

And also applied for shit tons of H-1B's as well. It's disgusting.
 
I honestly wonder sometimes if you guys just want communism. Zenimax was struggling and wanted to sell, and MS bought. MS is really only obligated to employee people as needed. We know their sales are declining rapidly, so there's pretty obvious motivation to cutback. This isn't the 1st place Switch or Playstation division, this is a hardware developer bombing, off store shelves and transitioning to a 3rd party publisher. Literally.

If people want to support some kind of mandatory employment, that's usually done through government jobs that aren't strictly profit driven. You tax the top corporations making a windfall, reinvest it into government areas that can benefit society and employee people. I'm cool with that, but it seems pretty popular these days to cut as many government jobs as possible in the US. Or you invest in things like government supported retraining, or a robust social safety net possibly even including UBI so you can use the agility of capitalism without the brutality. It just is nonsensical whining to act like MS is obligated to employee a hardware team when their sales have cratered. It literally makes no sense to me, so I can't muster any fake outrage for it. Most of this board cheers on cutting government jobs as much as possible, but then wants MS to be obligated to employee people? It's literally illogical.

I hear all the time how much of a huge flaw it is that MS has infinite money and can support their gaming division unfairly. But they prove time and time again that they don't operate this way, and the gaming division has to make their own money to stay afloat. But people then flip right back and say it's horrible that evil MS isn't funding them. It's literally mad if they do, mad if they don't. Just crying.
To be honest, responsible management is enough... you know... how about fire WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE (and we know who are) for this situation first instead of, like always, reward them ?
 
If KING lost 10%, which was their most profitable studio and the reason they bought ABK, imagine what will happen in a few hours to the less profitable studios.
 
Or just poor reading comprehension. Nothing in that message screams "massive asshole."

He's saying that their current metrics are due to previously difficult decisions (like going multiplatform), so they have to make those kinds of calls to position their gaming division correctly to have any continued success. There is a delay on what they spend now and what their outcome will look like in the future. Everyone on here knows that is 100% true. Their hardware is not selling and they're transitioning to a multiplatform publisher model so it would be pretty ridiculous to continue to fund a 1st party hardware and sales team. Everyone asked for this for years and it means they definitely can't spend the same amount on staff as a 1st party platform holder.

It's okay to criticize the layoffs and say your piece without lying. Also, mentioning that you still have positive elements of the business is not evil. That's literally how you employ the people that are still there.

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*sigh*. This is awful for the employees at Microsoft.

As for Xbox, clearly this is another generation that didn't go according to the plan. Losses from Xbox were likely. They seem adrift and I'm not a big fan of their game choices. Decision makers should also be under heavy scrutiny!

Finally, this also speaks to the worldwide state of the coming economy. This may be worse than 2008 on a global scale. As supplies and supply chains shifts and "globally economy" shifts.

Gaming seems unsustainable to me now. I am stunned by game budgets and scope of projects. I am stunned by corporate greed.

I am also surprised by the consumer. I view the days of most people being a multi console owner as over. And I'm surprised the consumer takes as much crap from the companies that they do. I'm surprised they don't demand certain changes.
 
To be honest, responsible management is enough... you know... how about fire WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE (and we know who are) for this situation first instead of, like always, reward them ?
I think the Xbox strategy was executed pretty well. Sometimes the market decides, not someone's competence. I think the Series hardware is fantastic, but if no one is going to buy it, they can't sustain the hardware staff.
 
Apparently they're cutting 9,000 people.

For a second I thought they were all from the Xbox division, but it's company-wide.

Still tho, considering Xbox has been the biggest anchor finances-wise, I expect many of the cuts to be among the Xbox division. Rough seas ahead, maties.
 
I think the Xbox strategy was executed pretty well. Sometimes the market decides, not someone's competence. I think the Series hardware is fantastic, but if no one is going to buy it, they can't sustain the hardware staff.
Let's respectully agree to disagree, because of all the words that come to my mind, 'pretty' and 'well' are absolutely not the ones Id choose to describe MS gaming strategy :-D
 
Layoffs are not to be celebrated, sucks for the involved and all that.

But King had 2000 employees? Doing... what?
Couldn't agree more.

But yeah, agreed. I'm assuming working on the next project or something? Maybe they were moving very slowly, hell, I feel like huge corporations with a ton of money don't really keep up with everything for a long while. Maybe they finally assessed things that they felt they could (or should) cut.

Regardless it sucks. We've seen way too many layoffs over the last 5+ years across the entire video game industry. It's a shame that there are people that love video games and want to get involved, but all of the news regarding layoffs sways them from ever wanting to do so. Honestly, I can't blame anyone for being hesistant.
 
They announced 6k job cuts at the end of 2024 right? So this makes 15k? That's crazy even for a company as large as Microsoft. All while profits are up around 13%, doesn't seem right.
 
Let's respectully agree to disagree, because of all the words that come to my mind, 'pretty' and 'well' are absolutely not the ones Id choose to describe MS gaming strategy :-D
Well I don't say that expecting to have a ton of fans on here, because all people see is the negatives. But the hardware is good, the games are good and they grew their portfolio of studios massively, the services are better, the gaming shows are better. The market just isn't there. I think the management they have is still critical for positioning them on PC. If anyone is going to be nerdy enough to even slightly see what Valve does well and broadly steer the store in the right direction, it would be Phil, not some new MBA that doesn't know anything about gaming.

For Jim Ryan, I saw horrible decisions but market success. I hated Jim Ryan.
For Phil Spencer, I saw great decisions but market failure. I liked Phil Spencer.

Agree to disagree.
 
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They announced 6k job cuts at the end of 2024 right? So this makes 15k? That's crazy even for a company as large as Microsoft. All while profits are up around 13%, doesn't seem right.
Almost like you have shareholders making pencil pushers squeeze every extra dollar they can to put into their pockets
 
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