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[Topher]

I dunno, seems more than plausible to me that cloud rendering/gaming will def. be a big part if not THE direction that games will be going, having access to giant ass server/gpu farms that can render everything will probably be cheaper for the average consumer than trying to render locally. We'll see, I'm a pretty die-hard PC gamer all together, still having owned all the consoles, but I believe that streaming is gonna be the inevitable future we'll see.

I can't imagine the super nava-computer we'd need to render The Matrix in 20 years time. The power draw alone.

That's what is happening right now with streaming. You are playing a game on a remote Xbox that resides in a datacenter. But your bottleneck is bandwidth. You could have the entire cloud all to yourself rendering massively detailed images, but the pipe from the datacenter has to be up to the task to bring those large images to your TV quickly. Maybe one day when the speed and bandwidth of the internet surpasses what games require to deliver a native image across the pipes, but I have my doubts. As it is, there is a reason why game streaming is 1080p at best.

 

[Spidey Fan]

I'm a hardcore gamer, I am one in a few tens of millions, and that wouldn"t do much for me. Now billions of people don't care about the games WE play, it's not a matter of distribution or device of choice, or ease of access. They don't care about the content. They don't care about the interface, the controller, the games themselves.

That's why the most popular games are phone games. And the most popular core console games are sports and first person shooters, because they're easy to jump into. Nintendo games are easy for kids, but even still, Nintendo isn't enough to bring more than a hundred million kids into the fold.

In the future you could have cloud gaming everywhere, play with no need of console, play on the go, whenever, it doesn't matter, those billion users don't exist and won't. Game design would need to change drastically, starting with the interface, get rid of the traditional controller, make everything intuitive or even "matrix-like". And even then it wouldn't reach a billion easily.

That is plainly false. You arent the special person who likes to play on the console. everyone likes to play on console. and those people will like to have to play their games on different devices.

Mobiles games are popular, because they are easy to consume. But the most important, is they are for when you are out of the house. Its the same why the switch is popular. weaker hardware, yet sold 76-80m console. because it allows people to play their games on the go, and constrained by their tv.

you just dont like those mediums, and likes to look down on it, that is all.

 

[Javthusiast]

Always nice to go all in.

 

[Urban]

A change and a storm is coming. I wait for the cloud gaming device. that why i will have the best of both worlds.

 

[Spidey Fan]

But Sony owns the IP, from a era where EA barely done anything with it. If anything that made us have a good spider man game!

So if Nintendo brought Ubisoft? Everyone will be meh it's just business? Or Amazon buys EA and make tied to their ecosystem?

anyway I give up

PlayStation doesnt own it, but sony movie division market owns it. Any studio can make the game, but sony wont let it on other platforms, because they want to make their playstation division games the only place to play it. Remember the amazing spiderman game on pc? Where are those now? Hell, even the avengers game couldnt get the character on other devices. That is the level of petty Sony went to make the character exclusive to their PlayStation.

 

[Krappadizzle]

That's what is happening right now with streaming. You are playing a game on a remote Xbox that resides in a datacenter. But your bottleneck is bandwidth. You could have the entire cloud all to yourself rendering massively detailed images, but the pipe from the datacenter has to be up to the task to bring those large images to your TV quickly. Maybe one day when the speed and bandwidth of the internet surpasses what games require to deliver a native image across the pipes, but I have my doubts. As it is, there is a reason why game streaming is 1080p at best.

I had my doubts too, hell, I was making literally the same argument you are making just a few short months ago, my wife got me an Nvidia Shield for my birthday last month and I had to eat a big ol' bowl of crow. I don't even have the fastest internet by most peoples standards and am extremely sensitive/annoyed to framerate/control issues being a G-sync gamer for a long time, but I gotta say even now, as it is, at least with Nvidia's solution, streaming a game works shockingly well. It worked so well that I had to go back and dig up my post making your argument just to admit how wrong I was.

I was on your side of the argument for a long time. Hell I got a Stadia w/ a controller for FREE from google and tried it once and said..."NOPE, no thank you." Even at the low price of free I didn't like it at the time. Not sure what the differences in the tech are or if Stadia has improved substantially since then, but Nvidia's got a great solution working and it's really impressive how good it not only looks, but also feels to play.

 

[elliot5]

Saying a controller is extra hardware to play games on a TV as some sort of gotcha... yeesh. Do you expect to play Halo using the bundled TV remote?

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

That is plainly false. You arent the special person who likes to play on the console. everyone likes to play on console. and those people will like to have to play their games on different devices.

Mobiles games are popular, because they are easy to consume. But the most important, is they are for when you are out of the house. Its the same why the switch is popular. weaker hardware, yet sold 76-80m console. because it allows people to play their games on the go, and constrained by their tv.

you just dont like those mediums, and likes to look down on it, that is all.

You didn't read my post. Bye.

 

[MikeM]

I like what they are doing. But keep your hands off my console hardware. Streaming compliments console/PC gaming but I doubt worldwide latency and bandwidth will get to the level of replacing them.

 

[Spidey Fan]

You didn't read my post. Bye.

I did. all you did was look down on those devices.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Every time I see Phil, he reminds me of the the human cockroach in MiB, not for ugliness or anything like that, but if feels like there's a man inside Phil with a strange posture all the freaking time, like it looks painful to just be standing up? Not sure if it's only my fucked up perception?

 

[Krappadizzle]

Saying a controller is extra hardware to play games on a TV as some sort of gotcha... yeesh. Do you expect to play Halo using the bundled TV remote?

Every time I see Phil, he reminds me of the the human cockroach in MiB, not for ugliness or anything like that, but if feels like there's a man inside Phil with a strange posture all the freaking time, like it looks painful to just be standing up? Not sure if it's only my fucked up perception?

 

[Spidey Fan]

I had my doubts too, hell, I was making literally the same argument you are making just a few short months ago, my wife got me an Nvidia Shield for my birthday last month and I had to eat a big ol' bowl of crow. I don't even have the fastest internet by most peoples standards and am extremely sensitive/annoyed to framerate/control issues being a G-sync gamer for a long time, but I gotta say even now, as it is, at least with Nvidia's solution, streaming a game works shockingly well. It worked so well that I had to go back and dig up my post making your argument just to admit how wrong I was.

I was on your side of the argument for a long time. Hell I got a Stadia w/ a controller for FREE from google and tried it once and said..."NOPE, no thank you." Even at the low price of free I didn't like it at the time. Not sure what the differences in the tech are or if Stadia has improved substantially since then, but Nvidia's got a great solution working and it's really impressive how good it not only looks, but also feels to play.

i played cyberpunk2077 on stadia fine. I had no issue at all, and i can still play it now. People dont like what they dont understand. Remember, people dunking on fortnite? How did that turned out? Every game is trying that battle royal mode now. Apex is big game thnx to fortnite. Warzone same.

 

[Stuart360]

Every time I see Phil, he reminds me of the the human cockroach in MiB, not for ugliness or anything like that, but if feels like there's a man inside Phil with a strange posture all the freaking time, like it looks painful to just be standing up? Not sure if it's only my fucked up perception?

lol as someone who suffers from chronic back pain, i think Phil has a back problem too.

 

[HarryKS]

I swear I've seen or heard this before.

 

[Buggy Loop]

lol as someone who suffers from chronic back pain, i think Phil has a back problem too.

Yea I think that would be my guess. Feels like something is locked/painful

 

[Krappadizzle]

lol as someone who suffers from chronic back pain, i think Phil has a back problem too.

Speaking from experience, it's hard to walk around with a huge dick, hurts ya' back. Phil's gotta know that pain.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Example:
Puffery: WE CARE ABOUT INCLUSIVITY IN OUR GAMES.
Truth: We'd like to expand the target market demographics to increase overall revenu

It's not a zero sum game and those two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Stuart360]

Speaking from experience, it's hard to walk around with a huge dick, hurts ya' back. Phil's gotta know that pain.

Er....yeah, yeah, thats my problem too.

 

[Kimahri]

"the best and biggest games lineup of ever"

Holy shit, they're going all in. Their ambitions are beyond proper grammar.

 

[johnjohn]

Who is this for and why? Investors? Third parties? Ps5 is already pulling ahead where the PS4 was at this point and series s/x is doing worse than Xbox one so I'm thinking this is a message to third parties: "please don't give up on us."

Just more lies eh lol?

 

[Krappadizzle]

Er....yeah, yeah, thats my problem too.

 

[Great Hair]

The title is misleading.

Spoiler: Microsoft is "All In" on Gaming according to CEO Satya Nadella

(but in reality, we try to fuck you over with Universal Windows Program, DX12 exklusivity or having actually two different Gamepass Offerings .. but hey Sssshhh, Sushh it!!)

RIGHT NUTELLA? WHY SEGRATE "YOUR SO BELOVED COMMUNITY? MLB??"

 

[BoxFresh123]

OMG "All In"

AEW colab confirmed

 

[Deputy Moonman]

 

[Stuart360]

'Accelerating it', Mid gen consoles?. I didnt think there would be any this gen.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Sounds good. It was obvious years back MS isnt going anywhere. Only people trying to instill FUD to sway gamers opinions what to buy promoted MS was quitting gaming.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

Seems like every time MSFT has a big idea and pivots in that direction, it blows up in their face. Are people really ready for a streaming future right now? If they move too fast or hard in this direction, it will end up like the XBone reveal.

 

[Kholinar]

WTF?! I thought Satya Nadella was a girl this whole time! The more you know...

 

[MvCSpiderman]

Its all about what the casul masees want, not the hardcore. If the ease and simplicity of streaming clicks with the masses, then it doesnt matter what the hardcore want.
This gen is 100% going to be the last gen with a disk drice, and that took a gen or two longer than experts said, but its still going to happen. It will be the same with streaming, its inevitable, just how long away it is.

I don't think you get tens of millions include casuals, most casuals follow the trrends, not all. If a console can still sell 40 or 50 million machines 20 years from now there is still a market, then you also still have emerging where internet may take longer to get fast enough for the quick graphical progression of streamed games unless people come up with a consistent universal standard, and it's not 5 or 6g.

Agree. Streaming isn't meant to take over gaming. It is meant to make gaming more accessible. But let's not pretend that streaming will ever be as good a gaming experience as playing on local hardware. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if gaming on local hardware remains the preferred way of playing games for many years to come.



You do understand that streaming and local gaming can and will coexist, right?

Yep

I dont get why Bill Gates wanted to go in video games so badly. Prestige project or just for fun? I know MS has unlimited money, but why not do something useful with it instead. Like something against climate change or whatever.

Getting you to stay home to play games does fight the questionable theory you mentioned. Because you're not outside.

Look i'll put it another way, do you still think we will be gaming on consoles 30 years from now?

Yes for the reasons I mentioned above

hahahhahhahaahah


Let me think. are you saying google and amazon cant buy take2, ea, ubisoft and activision?

So is your cognitive collapse so bad you're now imagining texts you never saw and are seeing things that aren't there?

I mean you say to let you think but I'm not sure you are in this case.

 

[MvCSpiderman]

WTF?! I thought Satya Nadella was a girl this whole time! The more you know...

None of these big companies have strong woman running the companies, which is ironic if you think about what they're pushing.

 

[Deputy Moonman]

'Accelerating it', Mid gen consoles?. I didnt think there would be any this gen.

Certainly sounds like it with that statement.

 

[Zeroing]

PlayStation doesnt own it, but sony movie division market owns it. Any studio can make the game, but sony wont let it on other platforms, because they want to make their playstation division games the only place to play it. Remember the amazing spiderman game on pc? Where are those now? Hell, even the avengers game couldnt get the character on other devices. That is the level of petty Sony went to make the character exclusive to their PlayStation.

how can 1 IP character be compared to a roaster of studios?

They own it temporarily the same way EA own it and barely done anything decent.

You talk about business yet you give a pass to the multiple IPs MS now own forever

 

[Neofire]

Stay the course Sony, I seen that cheap shot Phil took towards Y'all. MS needs every ecosystem they can get and they are running on a almost a two Trillion dollar market cap and been burning through money every since the Xbox was a thought lol.

They can literally afford to alienate and piss about all their core fans. Ehhhh Sony can't

 

[Spidey Fan]

I don't think you get tens of millions include casuals, most casuals follow the trrends, not all. If a console can still sell 40 or 50 million machines 20 years from now there is still a market, then you also still have emerging where internet may take longer to get fast enough for the quick graphical progression of streamed games unless people come up with a consistent universal standard, and it's not 5 or 6g.


Yep


Getting you to stay home to play games does fight the questionable theory you mentioned. Because you're not outside.


Yes for the reasons I mentioned above


So is your cognitive collapse so bad you're now imagining texts you never saw and are seeing things that aren't there?

I mean you say to let you think but I'm not sure you are in this case.

You said those companies can't get them, so I laughed at you. And you still think gaming is hard on cloud.

I played stadia, and it does run better than my current pc and my consoles.

 

[Neo_game]

Microsoft CEO with a hoodie cannot be taken seriously. it is obvious after investing 7billion $. I find it crazy that both Phil and Nadella say the same thing. They want to be on every device via subscription that is their goal

 

[ZywyPL]

I feel there will be one more generation after current. Possibly 2 more, but 2 will be the absolute limit, before one or both of Microsoft and Sony go full streaming.
Its the future, whether we want it or not, its just how long away that future is.

2 generations means about 20 years (plus the one that just started), so you're probably right.

 

[MvCSpiderman]

You said those companies can't get them,

And I never said this, why are you seeing things that aren't there?

 

[Greggy]

Every time I see Phil, he reminds me of the the human cockroach in MiB, not for ugliness or anything like that, but if feels like there's a man inside Phil with a strange posture all the freaking time, like it looks painful to just be standing up? Not sure if it's only my fucked up perception?

Fanboyism is a disease, folks.

 

[Spidey Fan]

how can 1 IP character be compared to a roaster of studios?

They own it temporarily the same way EA own it and barely done anything decent.

You talk about business yet you give a pass to the multiple IPs MS now own forever

Spiderman is much bigger than those Bethesda have. Spiderman has an entire universe. Miles Morales, Other universes, Gwen, Venom, carnage. Those have more famous than what Bethesda have.

And i am not giving Microsoft a pass. They have an entry service, where people can play them, compared to sony and nintendo. you need their hardware to play their exclusive games. and anything they buy is tied to those hardware's, unlike Microsoft.

 

[Kerotan]

We believe that games, that interactive entertainment, aren't really about hardware and software. It's not about pixels. It's about people. Games bring people together," said Spencer. "Games build bridges and forge bonds, generating mutual empathy among people all over the world. Joy and community – that's why we're here."

He's such a fucking dweeb. Acting like a dork isn't cool Phil.

MS all in and yet they're still getting their ass kicked.

 

[kyussman]

dead giveaway for what?

For being all in on gaming....the title of the thread....you don't spend big like that unless you are serious about what you are doing do you.

 

[Coolwhhip]

We believe that games, that interactive entertainment, aren't really about hardware and software. It's not about pixels. It's about people. Games bring people together," said Spencer. "Games build bridges and forge bonds, generating mutual empathy among people all over the world. Joy and community – that's why we're here."

It's not a lie if you believe it!

I'd love to know the true motivation for MS to be in console gaming. It's obviously not that quote above, so what is it? 20 years later and they still have to brute force their way in this market, without the endless pile of Windows money Xbox would have been bankrupt many times already.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Fanboyism is a disease, folks.

What??
I love his ideas and what he's doing. I'm on PC gamepass for the next 2 freaking years, paid for.

 

[AJUMP23]

For being all in on gaming....the title of the thread....you don't spend big like that unless you are serious about what you are doing do you.

Well they spent big on Mixer just to close it 6 months after acquiring a lot of talent for a lot of bug dollars.

 

[RiccochetJ]

I remember the E3 2019 Giant Bomb interview with Phil Spencer where he said that their plan isn't for the X/S to be their last console. So obviously that was 2 years ago and plans may have changed, but this particular article reinforces what he said 2 years ago.
Note: They're referring to what is now known as the X/S as Scarlet at the time.

 

[kyussman]

Well they spent big on Mixer just to close it 6 months after acquiring a lot of talent for a lot of bug dollars.

Ha,ha...fair point.

 

[AJUMP23]

Ha,ha...fair point.

I do think that Games has a different appeal to the leadership of MS toward gaming than streaming. Clearly that is easy to analyze since they have continued one and dropped the other.

 

[Zeroing]

Spiderman is much bigger than those Bethesda have. Spiderman has an entire universe. Miles Morales, Other universes, Gwen, Venom, carnage. Those have more famous than what Bethesda have.

And i am not giving Microsoft a pass. They have an entry service, where people can play them, compared to sony and nintendo. you need their hardware to play their exclusive games. and anything they buy is tied to those hardware's, unlike Microsoft.

You missed those Sony exclusives on pc. You are giving a free pass to MS, implying they had to do that because of a temporary IP.

MS had 20 years to be "all in on gaming" they had Halo! That was grown breaking back in the day and yet here we are! They had to buy 3rd party studios to become a competitor, and you are seriously saying is Sony fault for having spider man?

all this is MS own fault and on we fans, for not giving them "MS"pressure to stay competitive.

Taking IPs from other gamers is not something we should be proud off.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

More than 23 studios..