Baconsammy
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Don't care. If it helps publishers and devs stay alive longer, go for it. If the policy hurts their bottomline, they can always drop the price significantly.
Microsoft: Next Xbox will work even when your Internet doesnt
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Don't care. If it helps publishers and devs stay alive longer, go for it. If the policy hurts their bottomline, they can always drop the price significantly.
NullPointer
Member
Yeah, let me know when that happens.
Seems like something they could have just changed with new firmware. I'm not trying to say they switch, just that they probably could have. It's not like it would require hardware changes.
la flama blanca
Banned
"Leak" news to gamers that offline play is happening, pretend like they never considered always-online, come out as pro-consumer heroes.
Next, they'll announce a fuck-ton of money-hatted deals in their reveal conference + E3 and no one will even remember this issue (or any other negative issue regarding Durango).
Yeah, this is what I had been thinking all along as well. Shit, if they just went ahead and made LIVE free I'd buy two systems, one for me and one for my bro.
Some people already have this mentality. Somehow.
soul creator
Member
people directly working on the functionality may know how it works on a tech level, but not necessarily everyone would know how to communicate it to a mass audience when they're bombarded with interviews and questions on May 21st.
Their initial message may have been "Always online! Wave of the future! Get patches instantly! End of disc-swapping! Cloud gaming!"
*complaints come out about your Durango bricking after 3 minutes if your internet craps out*
"Ok guys, um, er, slight message adjustment. Say all that other stuff from before, but remember to always mention that single player games, blu-rays, and everything else will still work fine without an internet connection. I guess 'always online' is a much more dangerous phrase in this Post-Simcity world"
Of course, there could still be one-time activations, like Steam, and every other app store in existence, so technically "internet required" could be true (which can potentially rule out used games). But that's nowhere near the same as the worst case scenario people were assuming.
Baconsammy
Banned
Pretty much. No one will care about, or remember, the always-online nonsense (except maybe Orth) but they will remember which games Microsoft/Sony put a hat on.
I assume you've never worked for a large corporation before. There are people at MS that have zero clue what the person sitting in the next office do, despite working in the same division.
XtremeXpider
Member
Bad rumors then good rumors = it is better than I expect!
Uno Venova
Banned
Seems like he's employed, and a MS contributor like IGN has the Xbox team or Nintendo team.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
"Leak" news to gamers that offline play is happening, pretend like they never considered always-online, come out as pro-consumer heroes.
Next, they'll announce a fuck-ton of money-hatted deals in their reveal conference + E3 and no one will even remember this issue (or any other negative issue regarding Durango).
This sounds like an xbox fans wet dream lol.
I know its sarcasm but still.
No one even should, really.
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
He doubted it's credibility because Ars haven't made any next gen leaks before this one.
I don't care whether he thinks it's a rumor or not.
since we don't have any hard evidence at this point either that this was the plan all along and "sweet billy" dude was just crazy, or something different than that, its just up to what logic each of us has about that twitter incident and how it was handled.
of course if you are right its even better because there will be much less chance that some other stupid restriction for the consumer may happen with this console.
Orochinagis
Member
It was supposed to leak and people getting aware of its "offline" capacities, come on.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Well, many of us do care. And LOL at the bolded statement ever happening.
False. I said from the start it was a rumor, because that's exactly what it is, a rumor.
Some "source" told Ars "so and so", yet Ars doesn't post the source article in question, which they directly (apparently) quote.
I only talked about EDGE having previous track record since you and others asked me why I gave EDGE some credit.
that's not ruled out for Sony either. They are being fishy about their used games story
Neko Mimi Mode
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DragonSworne
Banned
statham
Member
Sony's 1st party already does.
Baconsammy
Banned
All 3 companies have anti-used game restrictions built into their consoles. It's called the e-shop. Don't want your game pirated, sold used or traded? Make it a digital download only.
maabus1999
Member
Compartmentalization is very common in projects that companies, governments, etc... want to keep leaks to a minimum. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the project was compartmentalized and some employees did not know the full scope.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Gotcha.
they have already have project $10 for stuff like twisted metal, but I'm guessing both consoles are going to do more.
seems like something that would have been easy enough to fix, like Sim City server connection requirements.
reddmyst
Member
That's you assuming all corporations work the same.
And yeah I've worked for a very big corporation.
It's like saying MS goes in blind and directs their employees, "This part goes here, but we won't tell you until we announce something as to what it does" -- that doesn't work.
I'm pretty sure they have big internal meetings and discuss entire projects (in each division), but that's just me also assuming since I've never worked for Microsoft.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Just ignore it if it becomes annoying
BRocknRolla
Member
He's said a lot more than that. It's about whether or not you're painting this as truth or a rumor.
There's clearly a fundamental misunderstanding here bred of some kind of personal battle that has nothing at all to do with this topic. Getting involved in this was a mistake because, as you say, you don't care about the point he's trying to make, only that you paint him as being wrong somehow.
Shame on me for being baited into this conversation. It isn't even what is really interesting about the report.
IT, people who work in highly networked environments all day and have to deal with technical requirements for systems, hardware and software all day, such a stretch.
I'm sure that MS' internal project communications have been clearer than this, because they'd be a lot further behind than what's been rumored recently if they had folks internally speaking as "clearly" as you do.
Yes, the fact being that you are speculating and interpreting like everyone else, which certainly doesn't warrant calling others illiterate.
Who said I was speculating?
Which was in reply to:
You were already committed to believe Ars' rumor as true. Why? You stated because of their track record with X and Y, so I replied to your question of:
Which you would obviously ask since you're so dead-set on this Ars rumor being true. What makes Ars any more credible than the others? What if they're wrong? What if they're right? It's a rumor at this point and that's ALL it is.
Baconsammy
Banned
You're assuming incorrectly. Management attend the direction meetings. Not the people that would have received this rumored email. On top secret projects, you know only what's needed to do your particular piece.
"Leak" news to gamers that offline play is happening, pretend like they never considered always-online, come out as pro-consumer heroes.
Next, they'll announce a fuck-ton of money-hatted deals in their reveal conference + E3 and no one will even remember this issue (or any other negative issue regarding Durango).
Why do people seem to refer to it as money-hatting when Microsoft does it, but go "aww yeah, in your face" when Sony money-hats Bungie?
Just out of curiosity, why can't you let people be excited? What's so wrong with that? I don't really recall you popping into the other rumor threads and policing them as you have here with a "hey guys, chillax, it's just a rumor, the next xbox might not be always-online." You're coming across kinda poorly here.
And, hey, it's Ars Technica. It's kinda hard to get much more credible than Ars Technica--for one thing, they tend not to hire a bunch of idiots who only profess to like games and write pretty okay. For another, their track record is kinda great.
This rumor should have never came into light in the first place.
Exposed? Back pedaling? What? Since you're so keen on looking through my history, please find out where I may have mislead people to NOT think I was pro Sony. My point from the start was how people like you end up shitting up threads by being childish to the point where other peoples opinions aggravate you enough to make shitty posts by acknowledging or responding in an immature manner. You don't like what someone said? Just ignore it and move on. I can see you are trying your best to win an e-argument so I'll just go ahead and concede and say you won if thats what makes you happy.
Eh...I never said you were misleading people into thinking you were not pro Sony. My point was that the reason you took my comment so personally was because you were a Sony fanboy, which you yourself agreed to.
My original post basically said that there are people who are pretending to be legitimately concerned about the Durango but they really just want to see MS fail, and I said these people are Sony fanboys. I then said that this thread was proof because of the number of people that are trying really hard to somehow spin this good news into a negative. You got butt-hurt at that comment, then said I was stupid, and that my posts were dumb.
The comment was not a response to anybody in an immature manner since I was not actually responding to anybody - I was just making a comment. It's pretty fucking hilarious that you're now sitting there telling me that if I don't like a post, I should ignore it and move on, WHEN MY ORIGINAL POST HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU AND FOR SOME REASON YOU DECIDED TO RESPOND TO IT AS IF I OFFENDED YOU.
When I pulled out your post history exposing all the stupid shit you've been saying in Durango threads, you responded with:
"lol baited. Thanks for the laughs"
How about you take your own advice next time? If you don't like the comment, ignore it. Many others in this very thread did.
But that's not who you are, is it? You just had to defend the sanctity of Sony's vagina didn't you?
THIS. IS. SONYGAF!
Baconsammy
Banned
Edge, Kotaku etc need clicks. Rumors will always come to light, even if the origin of "always online" was about the development units requiring it.
Don't do that.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I never said it was ruled out for Sony. Why did you just bring that up?
infinityBCRT
Member
Peter Bright (aka Dr. Pizza) has been on Windows Weekly (Paul Thurrott's show) a few times in the last year, so I think at the very least, Thurrott trusts him on MS info.
Because that person works for Microsoft and would be instantly fired?
The source is a INTERNAL e-mail
Maybe Edge was right, but MS changed plans?
Why should MS send an email to all employees that are working on the xbox announcing this? it only makes sense if they changed plans. ?maybe there was too many bad feedback about that.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Let's not paint with a broad brush. Ok? Let's not pretend that every fan base doesn't have these kind of posts.
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
That's fine then, if you want to think of it as a rumor then go right ahead. As I said, I'm not interested whether you do or don't.
I don't see the e-mail in question. The INTERNAL e-mail as you put it, would have been sent to a group of people, so the same e-mail. You can't track who leaked it if the content is the same.
Your whole issue with me was that I treated it as a rumor, and you say you don't care? lol
Actually that's a good point. Why hasn't MS made any sort of generic statement smacking down the rumor in the first place? That would have helped them immensely.
Uno Venova
Banned
So this is happening.