Hobbygaming
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They'd lose a chunk of sales and the games would be devalued
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Microsoft Says Sony Will Benefit From Launching First-Party Games on PS Plus
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CaptainSlayAHo
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Or ps+ subscribers play 3rd party games waiting for the price to drop instead of paying full price.
Goes both ways
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
Forza Horizon 5 last November. Why?
GhostOfTsu
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The one with the car packs, treasure pass, VIP pass, car pass, DLC packs???
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Yoboman
Member
It has car pass and a VIP membership though
I ask because all of MS games seem to have post purchase monetisation built in, whereas only a few of Sony's games do. If you are making up money after the person already has the game then offering it in a subscription makes more financial sense.
MacReady13
Member
Why? Why is it such a bad thing to keep these games off a sub service on day 1 and allow people to buy the game if they want? It maximises profits and allows the devs to get as much money back as they can. If you don't want to spend the full amount, wait for a sale or wait till it eventually appears on the sub service. Not all companies have the capability to lose money like Microsoft can.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That's in their forte. Game pass probably has it's share of people who do the same, but as of the latest earnings it's evening approximately 200m a month in sub revenues.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
That's because the majority of Sony games are curated single-player experiences. The few games Sony does output with multiplayer components like GT7 are just as monetized as any other in the industry. Expect TLoU2 Factions to be no different.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Forza Horizon 5 | Macrotransactions.org
Are there microtransactions in Forza Horizon 5? This game follows a similar model the previous one. There are no direct microtransactions, but there are quite a few premium purchases. There are several planned DLC. The DLC can be purchased individually or via a Season Pass. The game features a...
macrotransactions.org
"Contains no direct in-game microtransactions"
So the answer to your question is Forza 5 and that game as no microtransactions. DLC is not considered a microtransaction. Hot Wheels expansion is not a microtransaction.
Most of Sony's games also tend to be single player one and done titles as well and putting in monetization wouldn't make much sense. On that topic I'm pretty sure Grand Tourismo 7 HAS microtransactions but perhaps you didn't realize that. Maybe this is an example MS was talking about.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Of course all those packs in Forza are not mtx but the specific one in GT7 is mtx. You always have to twist everything
You can't buy cars in GT7.
Slicker than your average
Banned
Dlc and mtx are the same thing, not sure why he's making out they're different,oh wait.Of course all those packs in Forza are not mtx but the specific one in GT7 is mtx. You always have to twist everything
You can't buy cars in GT7.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I didn't make the website and I'm not the one trying to make a claim that MS is the only company using microtransactions. It isn't my fault Forza doesn't have any but GT7 does.Of course all those packs in Forza are not mtx but the specific one in GT7 is mtx. You always have to twist everything
You can't buy cars in GT7.
At the end of the day it's all optional and the entire thread ignores the context of MS' original response to Sony's claim. This just seems like more faux outrage.
Slicker than your average
Banned
You got receipts for this?
I doubt 20 million of the 25 game pass subs are paying full price of 10 and 15 a month.
Yoboman
Member
Not really relevant what term is being used, the point Im getting to is how these games can make money. I'm not making any comment on whether microtransactions, DLC, season passes etc are good or bad
The point is MS can still make alot of money on these games even if pushed day one on Gamepass. It's just not an applicable model to single player only games that have no DLC content at all like GOW or TLOU2. The money needs to be made upfront there or not at all
Agreed which is why it doesn't make much sense to say Sony should do day one PSPlus, when most of their games monetisation models don't fit it
And nobody will be happy if they pack the next GOW with DLC weaponsveven if it's on PSPlus
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anothertech
Member
Maybe Microsoft will show us their sales numbers before and after gamepass to bring to light how into the black they are now that their entire user base doesn't need to buy their games.
Then Sony can do the same And try and prove their point. All we need is the hard numbers.
lol, Ms would never do that who am I kidding.
Then Sony can do the same And try and prove their point. All we need is the hard numbers.
lol, Ms would never do that who am I kidding.
Salty Popsicle
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DLC = Paying for digital content that was not available as part of the base game.Dlc and mtx are the same thing, not sure why he's making out they're different,oh wait.
MTX = Paying for digital content that is available as part of base game
In Forza Horizon, you cannot purchase any of the 450+ vehicles of the base game with real world currency. Car Packs are vehicles (digital content) made available after the game's launch and not in original files, therefore it's DLC.
In GT7, you can purchase any vehicle in the base game with real world currency, therefore its MTX.
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GhostOfTsu
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Why do you insist on saying all the $3 car packs in Forza Horizon 5 are not MTX? There are dozens of them.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Slicker than your average
Banned
What a load of crock of shit to say nothing. Warhammer total war has chaos race locked away even though it's in the base game but can be bought as dlc for example.
The point here is paying for anything for a game after buying the base game all falls into the same garbage milk you dry category.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Sony was claiming Game pass was too successful and they questioned their ability to compete. MS provided them with a suggestion in response. It would increase their subscription base if that is what they wanted. Whether or not Sony chooses to do that or not is up to them.
The facts are not all MS games have microtransactions and games that don't have them STILL hit Game pass day one. Unless titles like Psychonauts or Pentiment or Starfield have microtransactions I don't know about. Pretty sure those are single player games too. The real question is why would gamers be against something that would benefit them? Day one titles benefit gamers and that's what I care about.
anothertech
Member
So tales from the ass in a nutshell?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Huh ?
I quoted the post with source, the only thing extra was rounding 183 to 200 ballpark.
Ampere is a reliable source if that's what you meant. It's not like vgchartz which purely does estimates.
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Hobbygaming
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They all seem to know the numbers somehow when Microsoft hides them
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Games content subscription market dominated by services offering download distribution
The latest Ampere data shows that the North America and Europe games content and cloud gaming PC subscription market was worth $3.7bn in 2021, growing 57% from $2.3bn in 2020, and is dominated by services that offer download distribution.
www.ampereanalysis.com
anothertech
Member
It's just not official numbers regardless, especially with the rounding up down or sideways.
That's the point
sainraja
Member
And not to mention the white label streaming services being pushed by companies such as Google now. Companies like Ubisoft/EA could simply favor their own platform and force people to stream their games (not saying this will happen but it is one of the things that could happen — the more likely scenario is that they could push their own streaming platform with promos and also sell their games on other platforms).
PerfectDark
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I have a series x, and 2x series s for my boys. I also have a ps5. I pay for 2 xbox game passes. No subscription to anything PlayStation. PS plus sub is a scam. Paying for any online pass is a scam since we already pay for internet but game pass is worth some of its value. I am not even using my PS5. No point even owning it besides the fact you want what you don't have and 3 months after I sell it I'll get bored and think a PS5 might solve those issues and buy another.
Leyasu
Banned
What everyone on Xbox and pc is gp subscriber?
anothertech
Member
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Unsure what you mean. I'm just saying, if MS is trying to say their model is better for business, they need to show exactly what they mean with hard numbers.
Put up or shut up
Leyasu
Banned
Yea I understand that. You know what, reading again the last post I quoted, I think that I misunderstood what you wrote. My apologies
Hobbygaming
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So how many concurrent Gamepass subs are there? And how many are at the normal rate?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Here's you (and many of your blue peers) cheerleading an Ampere forecast:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ps5-...ere-analysis-forecasts.1628256/post-265419632
phil_t98
#SonyToo
WelL they are already loosing money then has they have there own sun service now?
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Isn’t that the same as Gran turismo though? And how the game has been reguardless of gamepass
Bernd Lauert
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Not the case for Gamepass, so likely wouldn't be the case for PS+.
Slicker than your average
Banned
Because you know right? Unless ms ever gives figures you and the rest of us will never know.
And I doubt they made profit from day one either. Especially when they were giving it away over the years.
Bernd Lauert
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I just assume the CEO of Microsoft gaming wouldn't publicly lie about something like this, since it would be a bit of a literal crime to do so.
SLB1904
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There is nothing behind the paywall in gt7. So no is not the same thing
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Gran Turismo 7’s microtransactions are live, and GT Sports’ $5 cars now cost $40 | VGC
Players can buy in-game credits in packs of up to $20 each…
www.videogameschronicle.com
also didn't they up the price of cars at one point to encourage buying of credits ie:microtransactions. id you look in the comments on that article about how hard they made it to get some cars that you virtually have to buy credits to get everything so the game does have micros transactions. now with both games you don't need to buy extra cars to enjoy the game
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ask Ampere, they put out the market analysis. You should also ask them how many concurrent PS+ subs and at what rates they are while you're at it.
SLB1904
Banned
There is absolutely nothing behind the paywall in gt7. The cars prices in the "LEGENDARY DEALERSHIP" goes up and down according to the real life prices.Gran Turismo 7’s microtransactions are live, and GT Sports’ $5 cars now cost $40 | VGC
Players can buy in-game credits in packs of up to $20 each…
also didn't they up the price of cars at one point to encourage buying of credits ie:microtransactions. id you look in the comments on that article about how hard they made it to get some cars that you virtually have to buy credits to get everything so the game does have micros transactions. now with both games you don't need to buy extra cars to enjoy the game
You clearly have no idea what are you talking about.
fallingdove
Member
Lol. I don’t know that the FTC is paying close attention to how Phil used the word sustainable. I would expect there to be far more people in prison if executives could be prosecuted for corporate spin.
Hobbygaming
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We're talking SP 1st party AAA games on the service day one
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Yeah why not put them on the service to make it more appealing to get more subs. If Microsoft loosing money on there with more subs than Sony then they need to attract more subs to the service.
If everybody saying Microsoft loosing money on its sub service then you can bet Sony is to
El Pistolero
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Slicker than your average
Banned
Him making vague statements in the last 12 months about sustainability and some profit. It's more of the same spin they always peddle and isn't a crime to do so LOL.
Trazyn the Infinite
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Forza has MTX. Micro Transaction is a small transaction. There’s numerous one time purhcases for small amounts you can make to make the game less grindy/monotonous. It also has large scale expansions.
GT7 has more MTX, but that doesn’t change the fact that Forza also has them.
Both games are lessened by their inclusion and anyone who actively defends this shit needs to get their heads check, or their bums as they clearly have someone’s cock firmly planted there.
01011001
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Which Forza are you talking about, and give me an example of these MTX.
the Forza series as a whole has broadly removed most MTX from the 3 newest games, with only some really minor ones remaining in either of them
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